@ akindlesfarm

Devil is not a rival to God. In fact It is a servant of God and it is in charge of the negative stream of energy that sustains and balances the positive stream of energy. Without these 2 streams of energy working together the lower universes can not exist and will not be able to serve their purpose of providing schooling for soul's growth.

You can not claim to have mastered the lessons of love without being put in a situation where you have to show love to those who hate you. The devil provides opportunities for soul to assess the level of growth it has acquired. Its job is to ensure that no soul that is still impure crosses into the pure spiritual heavens.

The lessons go on day by day, moment by moment, the virtues vs the passions of the mind. What will be your response to the trials provided by life, a loving response or a negative response.. The choice is always left for soul.

Would this world be destroyed( I mean mankind) if yes were would those souls that never reached spiritual maturity go what would be there faith?

@ akindlesfarm

Would this world be destroyed( I mean mankind) if yes were would those souls that never reached spiritual maturity go what would be there faith

The cosmic circle lasts for 5 million years and is divided into 4 ages. Golden age, silver age, bronze age and iron age. The level of negativity gradually increases as the age reaches iron age which is the current age we are in now. At the end of the iron age, the lower universes will be destroyed and all souls who are yet to achieve maturity put to sleep and withdrawn to the soul plane in an unconscious state. This state lasts for another 5 million years during which the lower universes are recreated and then tne immature souls are sent back again to recommence their schooling starting from the golden age. This Cosmic circle will continue indefinitely until all souls have achieved maturity.

Beautiful. When we all achieve maturity what would happen next

@ akindlesfarm

Beautiful. When we all achieve maturity what would happen next

Then there would not be any need for the lower universes which serve as school. The lower universes will be dissolved and all mature souls moved back into the pure spiritual planes which were their originally home.

Hmm sounds like Gnosticism. I guess most inspiration is gotten from there or should I say the truth ought to be a bit universal and known to all.

benodic:
@ akindlesfarm


Then there would not be any need for the lower universes which serve as school. The lower universes will be dissolved and all mature souls moved back into the pure spiritual planes which were their originally home.

So what would we be doing in the pure spiritual planes for eternity

@ annunaki2

So what would we be doing in the pure spiritual planes for eternity

co-working and co-creating with God.

Do you guys believe in a Jesus, hell, heaven? Or that Man was created by God

benodic:

The purpose of Eckankar is to make God an everyday reality in your life.

As Soul, you have the God-knowledge within you. The teachings of ECK will awaken the knowledge and love for the divine things that are already in your heart.

The road to God is the adventure of a lifetime.

In all the religion I know, there is a visible human being that have one way or the other come to the world /sent by God just like Christian s believed in God sending His only begotten son Jesus Christ to die and save the world from their sins, Muslims also believed in MMohamme and so on like that, who do you people believed in?

In ECKANKAR, we have a spiritual leader who is known as Mahanta, The Living ECK Master.
This is a spiritual title worn by an individual who has attained God-realization and has been appointed by God to help all ready souls to find their way back home to God. There is always a Mahanta, The Living ECK Master and his job is to keep the pure teachings of the Holy Spirit pure and separate it from social and cultural trappings which have invaded other major world religions.
The current Mahanta is Sri Harold Klemp.

In the Universes of God there are many planes which some people can refer to as heavens. These are divided into pure spiritual planes and the lower universes. The lower universes are worlds of duality I.e good and bad. the difference between heaven and hell as depicted in the lower universes is just the presence and absence of Love.

As such it becomes a function of consciousness and not a geographic function. E.g if a group of loving people gather in a place, you can describe that place as heaven but if those people are driven away by aggressive, power hungry people who kills at little provocation, the place automatically becomes hellish and nobody wants to go there. In other words you carry your hell or heaven within you depending on your state of consciousness.

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Thanks for your response but don't you think this your religion is quite different from others mentioned above, having to have a master at different time to me is questionable. My opinion though. Christians believe that Jesus died and coming back again, likewise Muslims but this yours that the master changes... Pls expanciate. Thanks

People who are very set in their state of consciousness - they have their mind made up about a lot of things - are the least likely to hear when God speaks.


How to Survive Spiritually in Our Times
Sri Harold Klemp
The Mahanta the Living ECK Master

The ECK teachings are Ancient wisdom for today. The consciousness of people has been changing over the centuries and the teachings has to be tailored to match the current state of consciousness. A student of truth needs a Living master who has mastered the curriculum to guide him. The master must be one who is in tune with the current state of consciousness of the world. When the Master has served his purpose he hands over to another individual who is in tune with the current state of consciousness.

Spiritual mastership is the birthright of all souls and the job of souls that have attained it is to help other souls to attain it too. That is why we do not worship the Mahanta, because what he has achieved spiritually, you too can also achieve.
His work is primarily with souls that are ready to start their journey back home to God. It is not an academic affair. It is a practical step to take and your experiences become your authority.

benodic:

The ECK teachings are Ancient wisdom for today. The consciousness of people has been changing over the centuries and the teachings has to be tailored to match the current state of consciousness. A student of truth needs a Living master who has mastered the curriculum to guide him. The master must be one who is in tune with the current state of consciousness of the world. When the Master has served his purpose he hands over to another individual who is in tune with the current state of consciousness.

Spiritual mastership is the birthright of all souls and the job of souls that have attained it is to help other souls to attain it too. That is why we do not worship the Mahanta, because what he has achieved spiritually, you too can also achieve.
His work is primarily with souls that are ready to start their journey back home to God. It is not an academic affair. It is a practical step to take and your experiences become your authority.

Not yet cleared

@ Helovesyou

I suggest you ask the Holy Spirit for more clarifications. The Holy Spirit is the source of all truth and will bring answers to your questions in a way that will match your state of consciousness enabling you to understand any spiritual concept clearly.
How to go about it is very simple. At night do your normal prayers, then before you go to sleep, just ask your question then watch your dreams.

SHALOM!

ECKANKAR is a ripoff of SCIENTOLOGY, of which PAUL TWITCHELL was a Founding Member.

He was reputedly the SIXTH person to achieve the state called CLEAR.

LAFAYETTE RONALD HUBBARD released his DIANETICS Mental-Optimization Technique in 1950, which took America by storm, gaining acclaim from all quarters.

[See: DIANETICS: THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH, by L. Ron Hubbard (1950).]

Until he accidentally exposed the CIA INSTANT-BRAINWASHING MIND-CONTROL Technique, that we now know as MK-ULTRA.

[See: SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL: The Prediction of Human Behavior, by L. Ron Hubbard (1951).]

Therefore, L. Ron Hubbard became a pariah, overnight. The MK-ULTRA Programme, which was being used to kidnap people from off the streets, and turn them into slaves, who would obey any order given to them by a person giving the correct HANDLER CODE PASSWORD- and then COMPLETELY FORGET what they had been used to do, was driven underground, until it was officially exposed by Senator JESSE HELMS in 1973.

The importance of MIND-KONTROL ULTRA is that, unlike conventional hypnotism, which cannot make someone do anything against their basic character- such as CRIMINAL or SUICIDAL actions- MK-ULTRA can make a person do ANYTHING THEY ARE TOLD TO DO.

[See movies: THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, starring Gregory Peck (1962).
THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, starring Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington (2004).
CONSPIRACY THEORY, starring Mel Gibson (2001).]

The Hollywood Media LIE about the procedure in their Movies, and give the impression that it takes MONTHS of Surgical and Electronics Procedures, with a large team of Scientists to brainwash a single victim.

L. Ron Hubbard revealed that this procedure can be implemented in HOURS, and could be carried out by a SINGLE person, with a POCKET full of tools.

People under DIANETICS THERAPY to uncover hidden memories of painful experiences, that inhibit mental ability, called ENGRAMS, caused several people to remember being attacked from behind, kidnapped, being rendered unconscious with a drug, then tortured and hypnotized, while still unconscious- which was the breakthrough discovery of JOSEF (The Butcher of Auschwitz) MENGELE, the NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMP WAR CRIMINAL RESEARCHER. Instead of being held accountable for his crimes, he was adopted by the American OFFICE OF STRATEGIC SERVICES, and given everything he needed to complete his research- including innocent Orphan Children, for illegal experimentation.

[See: EXPOSING THE ILLUMINATI FROM WITHIN, by William Schnoebelen.]

The Drugs and Torture drove (carefully administered as to leave no marks,) the hypnosis deeper into the mind than was previously possible, so that the victim would have no conscious say in whether or not they would obey the commands given. The first thing they are commanded is TO FORGET BEING PROCESSED, BUT OBEY ANYONE WHO GIVES THEM THE NECESSARY "HANDLER CODE." This could be a string of nonsense words, or syllables.

[See: CAPTAIN AMERICA 3: CIVIL WAR (2016).]

As soon as the victim has received the Code- which could be delivered by PHONE CALL, EMAIL, SNAIL-MAIL, TV BROADCAST, UNWITTING MESSENGER- they become an INSTANT SLAVE.

The CIA therefore created hundreds into thousands of these Slaves, as a vast Network of UNPAID WORKERS and SPIES.

It is still in use today. ABDUL FAROUK MUTALLAB, the so-called CHRISTMAS-BOMBER, or PANTY-BOMBER is a TYPICAL EXAMPLE of an MK-ULTRA VICTIM.

PSYCHIATRY AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ARE, IN EFFECT, FOREIGN AGENTS, ORDERED NEVER TO INVESTIGATE NOR PUBLICLY DISCUSS THINGS THE OYINBOS WANT COVERED-UP, ON PAIN OF SUMMARY CANCELLATION OF THEIR LICENSE TO PRACTICE MEDICINE- OR EVEN CANCELLATION OF THEMSELVES!

[Example: Medical Doctor OGBE OSULA was assassinated for building a RIFE GENERATOR- an inexpensive device that can instantly detect and cure any disease.]

Under DIANETICS THERAPY, the VICTIM'S remembered everything that was done to them which is the ONLY way to CURE it.

After some initial hue and cry, with some "PATSIES" charged, public attention moved from L. Ron Hubbard's Discoveries, allowing American Military Intelligence to stalk him again. In 1954. after a bold attack in one of his facilities using fake Police, L. Ron Hubbard took the smart step of creating a RELIGION, which he named his DIANETICS Works as RELIGIOUS RITES, therefore making them IMMUNE FROM GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE, by First Amendment Rights.

Unable to touch them directly, the Government retaliated by denying this new Religion, SCIENTOLOGY, Tax exemption, until 1994.

PAUL TWITCHELL left SCIENTOLOGY in 1955 [WIKIPEDIA]- no reason is given for his supposed expulsion. However, it is consistent with the "crime" of. "SQUIRRELLING," that is, the ADULTERATION of SCIENTOLOGY Teachings and Practices with those of "FAILED THERAPIES," such as YOGA.

Therefore when Paul Twitchell started ECKANKAR in 1965, he used SCIENTOLOGY fundamental Technology to do it.

This cheated his followers of the true benefits of Scientology, using a fraction of its benefits, that yield quick, but shallow results- namely, EXTERIORIZATION- that is, "OUT-OF-BODY-EXPERIENCE- which is NOT an END in itself, but merely an INTERMEDIATE STAGE IF DEVELOPMENT.

People who only know the ONE SOURCE of Spiritual Knowledge tend to think that THAT Source is telling them THE WHOLE TRUTH.

But ECKANKAR is just another case of OYINBOS PLAYING UPON THE IGNORANCE OF OYINBOS, and claiming to be something they are not, to impress the gullible, who are too lazy to do their own research.

As you unfold spiritually, you also unfold power - spiritual power - along with spiritual love. As this spiritual power comes to you, along with it comes the understanding of spiritual law that you cannot misuse this power at any time. Some people think, I like Eckankar. Now maybe I can develop my healing powers and go out and heal people. I've always wanted to be a healer. I'll just go heal people. But sometimes healing people when they haven't learned the spiritual lesson of their illness is interfering in their state of consciousness.
. This is why my role, in this mission, this time, is not to do things for people they should learn how to do for themselves.
. I try to help people find their own way to a health practitioner to overcome an illness. I try to help people go into contemplation and find out about their future themselves, by studying the ECK-Vidya, which is the ancient science of prophecy. Do this for yourself.
. My role is to help people who are ready for Mastership, not children who want to have things done for them. I help people who are striving to become self-sufficient and develop the very high spiritual state of being able to survive under any and all conditions. This includes such things as health and even wealth.


How To Survive Spiritually In Our Times
Sri Harold Klemp
The Mahanta the Living ECK Master

[quote author=benodic post=49166548]@ Helovesyou

I suggest you ask the Holy Spirit for more clarifications. The Holy Spirit is the source of all truth and will bring answers to your questions in a way that will match your state of consciousness enabling you to understand any spiritual concept clearly.
How to go about it is very simple. At night do your normal prayers, then before you go to sleep, just ask your question then watch your dreams. [/l


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You already know my answer since you have being following my post. It is better to do the needful before it is too late. Believing in Jesus Christ and giving your life to Him will be the best thing that can ever happen to you .God bless and thanks for your posts

. Soul is like a letter. The envelope that Soul comes in is the human body, and the address reads: "To Earth." The return address: "From Heaven." The whole point about this special mailing is the letter, Soul, and hardly the envelope.
. From heaven we came, and to heaven we do return. There is no doubt we will gather experiences. That goes with the turf. The question is, how much will we gain from them?
. Do we have more understanding? How about more compassion or love?
. No matter, for we get sent back here until we get our lessons right. There is no hurry. It is up to us to decide how quickly we wish to progress. Heaven certainly does not care. We each determine our own timetable. That is the whole of it, in spite of what other religions teach.
. You are the letter; your body, the envelope.




Wisdom of the Heart Book 3
Sri Harold Klemp
The Mahanta, the Living ECK Master

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Why would a soul 'give his life' to another soul?

I discovered Eckankar on this very page it's been about 5yrs now...it turned out its been a superb adventure at self discovery (the immortal self), expressing freedom and using and experimenting the plethora of simple spiritual tools offered by Eckankar...

It's amazing after your self-deluding espionage at finding info about Eckankar...you were asked to pray the Christian way so truth may be revealed to you, yet you're still under the illusion that your master Jesus has issues with Eck which Eckists needs to resolve!



This is indication that even if Jesus should appear to tell you by word of his mouth, you will miss it. You will hardly accept Jesus cos you already have a preconceived image of how he looks (thanks to paintings). What if you did pray in the name of Jesus as Benodic suggested and you were revealed vital truths by the Holy Spirit? In my thinking your sanity may not be guaranteed afterwards...it makes you unfit for the genuine things of God...hence no one puts a golden ring...

akindlesfarm:
Hmm sounds like Gnosticism. I guess most inspiration is gotten from there or should I say the truth ought to be a bit universal and known to all.

Hi, Truth indeed is universal. Understand that it belongs to no religion at all. At a point in time, these teachings use to be widely taught and the 'additives' that crept in and pollute it where less. Also at a time, the Clergy and Leaders faught these truth teachers so people can't help themselves by themselves and also to maintain the inflow of the money and leadership.

Previously, you dare not write a book like Davinci Code, The People and Islam etc...you get burnt for heresy etc. So most of the true teachings and Holy books where edited or corrupted. As man's conciousness grows, these teachings resurfaces and people percieve they are new.

Understand that all phases of belief: Agnostism, Islam, Atheism etc are all relatively-legit steps in unraveling the mysteries of Life, Divine Love and God

chieveboy:


Why would a soul 'give his life' to another soul?

I discovered Eckankar on this very page it's been about 5yrs now...it turned out its been a superb adventure at self discovery (the immortal self), expressing freedom and using and experimenting the plethora of simple spiritual tools offered by Eckankar...

It's amazing after your self-deluding espionage at finding info about Eckankar...you were asked to pray the Christian way so truth may be revealed to you, yet you're still under the illusion that your master Jesus has issues with Eck which Eckists needs to resolve!



This is indication that even if Jesus should appear to tell you by word of his mouth, you will miss it. You will hardly accept Jesus cos you already have a preconceived image of how he looks (thanks to paintings). What if you did pray in the name of Jesus as Benodic suggested and you were revealed vital truths by the Holy Spirit? In my thinking your sanity may not be guaranteed afterwards...it makes you unfit for the genuine things of God...hence no one puts a golden ring...

I need not to start arguing here, but I pray that the truth you have been hearing and the one you have read from here shall set you free before it is too late in Jesus mighty name. Amen. Takia

Spiritual truths are not to be argued or to be forced on any soul. It takes a gradual unfoldment of consciousness to accept truth. Truth must be realized within yourself. Without this realization it becomes an empty academic exercise in which someone with superior argument will claim an empty victory which will not add an iota of spiritual enlightenment to both the victor and vanquished but rather will create more negativity, anger, hatred and egoism in an already negatively charged world.

This is the reason I usually don't bother with such as it is a pure waste of creative energy. What matters is, whatever religion you profess, live a life of love, give love to your neighbour without regards to his race, religion or language. That is the beginning and ending of all truth. Nothing else matters.

Helovesyou:


I need not to start arguing here, but I pray that the truth you have been hearing and the one you have read from here shall set you free before it is too late in Jesus mighty name. Amen. Takia

To each his own.

Love tries to find a harmonious way to resolve each situation.
—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

Helovesyou:


I need not to start arguing here, but I pray that the truth you have been hearing and the one you have read from here shall set you free before it is too late in Jesus mighty name. Amen. Takia

If you had taken time to read through this thread, you would have observed that a lot of the teachings of eckankar conform more with the teachings of Christ than a lot of what is taught us in our churches today.

I still prefer eckankar to Christianity

Spirit will begin to heal only if you are willing to first help yourself.
—Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

The path of ECK is to teach us how to get to the kingdom of heaven.
- Harold Klemp The Secret Teachings Mahanta's Transcript, Book 3