Jozzy4:
he didnt say no one is a Good sherperd except God , alone. if thats the case you will make sense.

But He combined the two words meant for God alone which GOOD and SHEPHERD.

Jesus said no one is Good except God , his Father alone . talking about being Good in the moral sense. use your head na!

Now, this is what I've been waiting to hear from you. Since Jesus is talking IN MORAL SENSE. Is Jesus good in moral sense or not?

I know you will start dribbling or find way to dodge my question.

Iseoluwani:


Titus 3:9
ESV:But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.


Aguring with you z a waste of time n destiny

If thats ur decision, but we could all learn from each other.

Emusan:


But He combined the two words meant for God alone which GOOD and SHEPHERD.



Now, this is what I've been waiting to hear from you. Since Jesus is talking IN MORAL SENSE. Is Jesus good in moral sense or not?

I know you will start dribbling or find way to dodge my question.

now back to what led to this :

he said he isnt good , only God his Father is Good - mark 10:18 , does that make him bad ?

Jozzy4:


Good what ? SHEPHERD ! thats a deluded quote from you in this discussion. you mean he is only good at shepherding ?


Mark 10:18 NOBODY is GOOD except God alone . Jesus here said he doesnt deserve the word " GOOD " , only his Father does , does that make him a Bad person ?

If one doesn't deserve to be called good, what's left to call him?

Adexy4us:


JMAN05.. .I am a fellow witness like you...
Do u think this thread of yours will draw anyone to Jehovah & His son?

Is this platform one of the ways to reach out to interested ones?

Will the local elders in your congregation be pleased to see this thread from you?

Will the Governing Body of Jehovah's witnesses be pleased to see this thread?

Pls JMAN pls have a rethink & if possible do away with this thread
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You didnt state the reason why the GB will object to the thread. We individually are empowered to preach the goodnews and defend our faith. This is not the authority issued by the GB, but Jesus himself. Unless you find anything scripturally wanting in the thread, then I can amend it. but mind you, you dont worship the GB, but Jehovah.

There is no platform in which you cannot reach out for interested ones. The goodnews of the kingdom has to be preached where ever people are found. But of course, I dont reply to every comment that isnt sincere nor do i respond to apostates. Feel free to point out what is scripturally objectionable, and will amend it.

Jozzy4,

You said Jesus implied that even He himself is not good. Please why did Jesus call Himself the GOOD Shepherd?

DoctorAlien:


If one doesn't deserve to be called good, what's left to call him?

NOBODY including Jesus , I and You is good except God , Father alone , we are all bad people right ?

Jozzy4:
now back to what led to this :

he said he isnt good, only God his Father is Good - mark 10:18 , does that make him bad ?

Why lying about what Jesus didn't say

Jesus never said HE IS NOT GOOD "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." Mark 10:18

We can see that it's ONLY GOD that is GOOD.

From here it's evident that Jesus is bringing out a fact, now you agreed that Jesus is speaking in MORAL SENSE.

To your question NO! Jesus is good that's why He is God.

Now answer my question, is Jesus GOOD or BAD?

DoctorAlien:
Jozzy4,

You said Jesus implied that even He himself is not good. Please why did Jesus call Himself the GOOD Shepherd?

Good in the absolute moral sense, not about been a caring or good SHEPHERD. context man

Jozzy4:


NOBODY including Jesus , I and You is good except God , Father alone , we are all bad people right ?

JESUS IS GOOD! HE CALLED HIMSELF THE GOOD SHEPHERD

Have you any contrary view?

Bear in mind that if you're not good, then you're bad.

So, according to you, what is Jesus?

Jozzy4:
NOBODY including Jesus , I and You is good except God , Father alone , we are all bad people right ?

If you can say Jesus is not good just like you what else do we need to say.

Emusan:


Why lying about what Jesus didn't say

Jesus never said HE IS NOT GOOD "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. " Mark 10:18

We can see that it's ONLY GOD that is GOOD.

From here it's evident that Jesus is bringing out a fact, now you agreed that Jesus is speaking in MORAL SENSE.

To your question NO! Jesus is good that's why He is God.

Now answer my question, is Jesus GOOD or BAD?

@ underlined , tell us who Jesus refferred to as God ?

Jozzy4:


Good in the absolute moral sense, not about been a caring or good SHEPHERD. context man

Are you saying Jesus is not caring? Are you saying Jesus is not the GOOD Shepherd?

Jozzy4:
Good in the absolute moral sense, not about been a caring or good SHEPHERD. context man

So what makes Jesus not to be good in absolute moral sense?

Jozzy4:


@ underlined , tell us who Jesus refferred to as God ?

Himself.

DoctorAlien:

JESUS IS GOOD! HE CALLED HIMSELF THE GOOD SHEPHERD
Have you any contrary view?
Bear in mind that if you're not good, then you're bad.
So, according to you, what is Jesus?

Jesus said only his Father is good , you mean he is bad ?

Emusan:


If you can say Jesus is not good just like you what else do we need to say.

That's how JWs blaspheme GOD. They now equate Jesus to themselves.

BLASPHEMY!

Jozzy4:

Jesus said only his Father is good , you mean he is bad ?

I'm very sure the word "Father" does not appear in that verse.
I mean, Jesus is GOOD.
NOw, stop dodging, answer yours: is Jesus good or bad?

Jozzy4:
@ underlined , tell us who Jesus refferred to as God ?

General understanding of what human know as God.

Now answer my question, is Jesus GOOD OR BAD?

Don't dribble again...

How JWs dodge questions that expose their false doctrines:

DoctorAlien:


Himself.

see what trinity has done to your life , you cant identify the God of Jesus Christ anymore ? both The man speaking to Jesus and anyone there are jews who know whom Jesus is reffering to as God, as none other than Jehovah.

consider John 14:1 pls and tell me whom Jesus is use the word " God " for ! seem you have a long way to go

Jozzy4:


see what trinity has done to your life , you cant identify the God of Jesus Christ anymore ? both The man speaking to Jesus and anyone there are jews who know whom Jesus is reffering to as God, as none other than Jehovah.

consider John 14:1 pls and tell me whom Jesus is use the word " God " for ! seem you have a long way to go

Before we go further, answer this question: is Jesus good or bad?

Emusan:

General understanding of what human know as God.
Now answer my question, is Jesus GOOD OR BAD?
Don't dribble again...

who exactly ?

Emusan:


No you only quote verses that suit you when you like.

hope you are not expecting me to accept all translations of the same verse.
I told you why and when I use different translations.
do you accept all the translations of aLl verses?

Simply because it's your organization version nothing more nothing less.

your views, nothing I can do about that!

I know you will use style to dodge my question but I'll repeat it again is it ONLY NWT that is correct (that is, NO SINGLE verse was wrong in its translation) in all ENGLISH versions that we have?

seems you did not understand what I said, how can I answer such question when I've not studied all verses in one single translations talk less of all translations. I don't even know all translations, but as far as my present studies has taken me, I've got no issues with the NWT Yet!

If your answer is NO! Kindly, show us another translation that is accurate.

can't do that, not studied all verses in any single translations.

No a verse is what the ORIGINAL Hebrew or Greek means not dependent of the reader and the only fact that can brought forth to support them must come from those who chose to study these languages which we called SCHOLARS.

you just agreed with me, fact is there are differences in scholars views as to the words and meaning of verses in the scriptures. you examine such facts and you as a reader comes to your own personal conclusions.

But what of the familiar ones like NIV, Amplified, NLT, KJV, RSV, ASV, CJB, NASB? Are these translations accurate in all verses or not?

you yourself know you do not support all the verses in the translations you mentioned , why do you ask a question you know the truth about.
These translations translated the scriptures differently from each other which you are aware of, it seems you just want to argue!

There's no view, you're a JWs simple and truth. So, all this new belief doesn't add up anything. Like I said, you can continue to tell those kids in your area that one.

your opinion, like I said, their is little I can do if you have issues with the source of my beliefs, never said my personal beliefs are new!

DoctorAlien:


Before we go further, answer this question: is Jesus good or bad?

you just jump into an ocean you have no knowledge about .

My aim of bringing up this verse is to let you know your question regarding if Jesus is a true or false god is very wrong .


Jesus reffered to his Father as God , saying only his Father is good ... your allegation that Father doesnt appear in this verse hold no water until you can tell me who Jesus called God at john 14:1 since father doesnt appear there too !


now the context indicates that Jesus is not good in the absolute sense of the word . that doesnt make him a sinner or a bad person either . in this case he is a good person , but not good in the complete sense of the word , Only the Father reserve that !

applying this to the earlier question regarding Jesus being a true or false god means ONLY Jehovah his Father is the only True God . - John 17:3

every other god are either false or just called God because they are mighty ones e.g God making moses God , God is not making a false god neither is Moses the True God . he is simply a "mighty one" this is where Jesus is been categorized.

DoctorAlien:


I'm very sure the word "Father" does not appear in that verse.

I mean, Jesus is GOOD.

NOw, stop dodging, answer yours: is Jesus good or bad?

see my response to you above .

does Father appear in John 14:1 ? who is been called God in that verse ? Jesus himself ?

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Mark 10:18 is talking about being Good in the absolute sense. not Good in shepherding . weak

All this grammar for simple question?
Lol so Jesus described himself as the good can a bad person be a good shepherd?

and Jesus said NOBODY is good , except God - his Father , alone .

Is Jesus here rebuking the man for calling Him good and thereby denying His deity? No. Rather, He is using a penetrating question to push the man to think through the implications of his own words, to understand the concept of Jesus’ goodness and, most especially, the man’s lack of goodness. The young ruler "went away sad" (Mark 10:22) because he realized that although he had devoted himself to keeping the commandments, he had failed to keep the first and greatest of the commandments—love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength (Matthew 22:37-38). The man’s riches were of more worth to him than God, and thus he was not "good" in the eyes of God.

comprehend well na , NOBODY should tell you he is included . except his Father alone

Jesus already described himself as the good shepherd and only God is good therefore Jesus himself is God.

which beg the question : does that make him Bad ?

absolutely not! Jesus has already declared himself as a good shepherd so, Jesus is good!
So back to my question, is Jesus a true God or a false god?

tunbebes:



Abi. It's so annoying nah. Attention seekers. I'm a jw but I go out to preach and I don't create uneceesary topics to draw attention.

I envy you, haven't done that in years!

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mr , see my response to doctoralien . and point of correction , when Jesus says God , he is reffererring to his Father. read John 14:1 .

unless you want to tell me God in john 14:1 is Jesus himself !

Jozzy4:


see my response to you above .

does Father appear in John 14:1 ? who is been called God in that verse ? Jesus himself ?

IS JESUS GOOD OR BAD?

DoctorAlien:


IS JESUS GOOD OR BAD?

My aim of bringing up this verse is to let you know your question regarding if Jesus is a true or false god is very wrong .


Jesus reffered to his Father as God , saying only his Father is good ... your allegation that Father doesnt appear in this verse hold no water until you can tell me who Jesus called God at john 14:1 since father doesnt appear there too !
now the context indicates that Jesus is not good in the absolute sense of the word . that doesnt make him a sinner or a bad person either . in this case he is a good person , but not good in the complete sense of the word , Only the Father reserve that !


applying this to the earlier question regarding Jesus being a true or false god means ONLY Jehovah his Father is the only True God . - John 17:3
every other god are either false or just called God because they are mighty ones e.g God making moses God , God is not making a false god neither is Moses the True God . he is simply a "mighty one" this is where Jesus is been categorized.

Tellemall:


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An apostate. I don't want to discuss him.

But he has a lot to say about you guys here on nairaland.

Is there an ounce of truth to what he says? He has indisputable evidence, real documents. If what he says is untrue you owe it to society to refute his claims.

Why is it that every Jehovah Witness wants to say nothing about him? Is the truth so fearful?

Nope. It is futile to argue with an apostate. Jehovah himself commanded that you dont give them audience. No matter how good you are on the scriptures and how little the apostate knows, obey Jehovah who state you ignore them.

Secondly, it could be spiritually dangerous arguing with an apostate who largely presents half-truths to deceive. They cut a sentence in our documents and give it there own interpretation. Making it seem as if it is a contradiction. The scriptures says:

Prov. 11:9: “By his mouth the one who is an apostate brings his fellowman to ruin.” Although I can indulge them, but that would be like Solomon who may have thought that he would outsmart pagan women he married. When God is not in support of what you do, your failure is guaranteed!

Speaking of apostates in his day, John wrote;

2john 9-11

Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.

1. Who exactly are Jehovah Witness? What is the true core of who you are?

You can visit this site to get to know us better - www.jw.org or our online tv - tv.jw.org.

However, the true core of whom we are, what defines us, is God's word, the Bible. If you believe in all that is written there, you ve come to know what they are all about. We love our heavenly Father Jehovah, and want to sanctify Him by living in accord with what He inspired to be penned down on the scriptures.

Matt 22:37-38

He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment

2. How did you guys evolve your own religious sect? Catholics too evolved a sect, so why are you guys against theirs? I have noticed your Bibles are something else.

We didnt evolve any sect. We came in fulfillment of the scripture at Matt 13:24-30. For centuries, it was prophesied that imitation Christians will dominate, but that later the true Christian wheat will appear. That was what happened.

We are not against theirs as if we came for them. We are against any organisation that we perceive misrepresents Jehovah and his son, Jesus. 2Cor. 10:4-6. We do these out of love. Some have seen the need to flee from all false religion for their sake. Rev 18:4

b. Granted, our translation is not perfect, no translation is, but you are allowed to point out what you noticed in our translation of the Bible.

3. Why are Jehovah Witness interpretations generally different from the regular Bible ones? This is not to say they are always wrong, but why that distinct dichotomy and excessive focus on paradise?

You question isnt clear. Can you please rephrase?

4. Why must Jehovah Witness bring up the issue of means of crucifixion? Is it a team grouse with the Bible or with other protestants? It's not a case with which to win over anybody.

I dont understand this as well. Please rephrase.

I particularly enjoy Jehovah Witness, but that emphasis on paradise and the inability of your proselytizers to step away from some aspects I see as dogma sort of repels me.

God's kingdom is the major topic of Jesus preaching, and this commission he has given to each of us to do before the end comes. Matt 24:14 Jesus set the example.

Luke 4:43
Also to other cities I must declare the good news of the kingdom of God, because for this I was sent forth

God's kingdom is the means by which Jehovah will usher in an earthly paradise. We are even told to pray about this kingdom. Matt 6:10

In terms of character building, you guys are the best. Little kids in Jehovah Witness are better informed than adults in other Protestant sects.

We appreciate! We however, give the praise to Jehovah, who's word has made all that possible.