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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 12:16pm On Oct 25, 2016
africaken254:
then why is the marines in a hurry to acquire israel Trophy Active Protection System (APS).if not that they feel they lacks adequate armour with today growing threat !



link http://www.defensedaily.com/marine-corps-plans-to-buy-trophy-active-protection-systems-for-m1-tanks/

Has more to do with the Americans trying to avoid having to design a new tank until the 2030's - the arrival of the Armata has caused all the major players (Brits, Germans, Americans) to start thinking about new designs and the Americans are trying to buy time the SEP v3 upgrade is basically the last upgrade they can do. The French and Germans have allready formed a company to build their new tank (I think).

Marines cant do all SEP v3 upgrades because it will be to heavy for their core role - amphibious assault - until they get their new heavy transport thingys into service. Infact, I dont think the Marines have had most of the SEP upgrades that the Army has done - pretty sure many of their Abrams are M1A2 legacy.

Fact is that there is nothing new about the ATGM's in existence - Kornet is now 20 years old.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 12:22pm On Oct 25, 2016
Henry240:


Supported.


Andrewza, let's see how NNS Unity looks like, close up. You gave that same lame excuse about your camera when NNS Centenary visited in 2014 and 2015.

No matter how shitty your camera is, let's see some photos.


Woops she is gone all ready. But there is a YouTube video of her coming in.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:27pm On Oct 25, 2016
Henry240:


If it is Spain, i'll say Nautic.

You mean Nautic the Paramount-owned shipbuilder?

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:29pm On Oct 25, 2016
A VBIED exploded outside the gate, followed by a fire fight by 10 suspected AlShabaab fighters. The terrorists were all killed. Baladweyne
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:29pm On Oct 25, 2016
andrewza:



Woops she is gone all ready. But there is a YouTube video of her coming in.

Dude, you should change. gringrin

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:30pm On Oct 25, 2016
Henry240:
South-Africa's President bodyguards.


"I wonder why they are trying to suffocate Zuma?". Don't you guys have a dedicated VIP/VVIP unit in RSA, like a DSS equivalent?

You really should learn to ask when you don't know. Fact-free conclusions just make you look foolish.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:31pm On Oct 25, 2016
frumentius:

You mean Nautic the Paramount-owned shipbuilder?
I meant Navantis, the Spanish shipbuilder.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:31pm On Oct 25, 2016
frumentius:


You mean Nautic the Paramount-owned shipbuilder?

I meant Navantis, the Spanish shipbuilder. @Viceadmiral

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:34pm On Oct 25, 2016
frumentius:


You really should learn to ask when you don't know. Fact-free conclusions just make you look foolish.



What does the "question mark" at the end of my comment look like, a decoration?

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:34pm On Oct 25, 2016
patches689:


Has more to do with the Americans trying to avoid having to design a new tank until the 2030's - the arrival of the Armata has caused all the major players (Brits, Germans, Americans) to start thinking about new designs and the Americans are trying to buy time the SEP v3 upgrade is basically the last upgrade they can do. The French and Germans have allready formed a company to build their new tank (I think).

Marines cant do all SEP v3 upgrades because it will be to heavy for their core role - amphibious assault - until they get their new heavy transport thingys into service. Infact, I dont think the Marines have had most of the SEP upgrades that the Army has done - pretty sure many of their Abrams are M1A2 legacy.

Fact is that there is nothing new about the ATGM's in existence - Kornet is now 20 years old.
actually the US marine commander said its due to the growing threat especially as seen in syria,not because of Armata. it will take several years before russia can field the Armata tank in the russia armed forces
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by gees9: 1:24pm On Oct 25, 2016
ActivateKruger:
...... Also members of the notorious Tactical Response Team (TRT) form part of the team.

That's incorrect, those with berets were always CAT. I'm guessing part of the reason to change their uniform was probably informed by this misconception
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by gottfried21(m): 1:28pm On Oct 25, 2016
ViceAdmiral:
Namibian police Water wing vessel commisioned

who's able to ID the class and constructors of it..all they mentioned is that it was bought from spain

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by gees9: 1:42pm On Oct 25, 2016
patches689:


Thats from a foreign visit by Zuma where the PPS was replaced with the Tactical Response Team (TRT) of the National Intervention Unit (N.I.U). The same guys that are busy cracking down on campus protest at the moment, a.k.a amaberete ("those with berets"wink. They are basically South Africas version of a SWAT team, meant to full the gap between regular Patrol Officers and the Special Task Force.

Why he went to Cote d’Ivoire with the TRT and not the PPP or the Recces no one knows. The sitiation in the city was very tense at the time and may have necessitated the use of the Recces again, but its not really a job for TRT

The officers in the photos are all PPS members. An easy way of ALWAYS distinguishing between PPU and CAT is if the officer is wearing a ballistic helmet or a beret. Officers wearing baseball caps are strictly PPU which means they're close protection and don't stay around for shootouts. That is a job for CAT hence the ballistic helmets, vests and smoke grenades etc. CAT members do at times wear civvies, so as to blend in however there is always a mixture of civvies and uniformed members in advance and close in capacities. In addition CAT assists the Reserve Bank with in transit security. If you live in Gauteng I'm sure you've seen those massive slow moving motorcades of 18 wheeler trucks with security. The NIU or TRT as far as I know NEVER assists with close or parameter protection of VIPs more especially the president. What I have witnessed myself is that local police stations will be asked to avail a few officers on dirtbikes etc to patrol an area a PPS protected VIP will be visiting. But that was 2011 and things may have changed because TMPD now permanently escorts PPS motorcades.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 2:05pm On Oct 25, 2016
[quote author=gottfried21 post=50496632][/quote]

are they poaching sailors from the navy or they are training their own?

Again have u noticed that civilian government departments tend to buy "European" equipment something they will not do with the military? Police airbus Helos and the fleet of fisheries patrol/research vessels from the nordic countries come to mind

Namibia's fisheries fleet

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 2:16pm On Oct 25, 2016
africaken254:
actually the US marine commander said its due to the growing threat especially as seen in syria,not because of Armata. it will take several years before russia can field the Armata tank in the russia armed forces

a. "growing threat"
b. 20 year old ATGM

Pick one and only one.

Marine commander will say whatever is politically expedient to get funds, Syria is a hot button topic so Syria gets used as a "why". You are forgetting how the US Senate works.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by gottfried21(m): 2:38pm On Oct 25, 2016
ViceAdmiral:


are they poaching sailors from the navy or they are training their own?

Again have u noticed that civilian government departments tend to buy "European" equipment something they will not do with the military? Police airbus Helos and the fleet of fisheries patrol/research vessels from the nordic countries come to mind


Namibia's fisheries fleet


They should be training their own
Some footage of the recently acquired craft
Those patrol vessels have marines on them cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2c9hLZaDa4
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:07pm On Oct 25, 2016
gottfried21:



They should be training their own
Some footage of the recently acquired craft
Those patrol vessels have marines on them cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2c9hLZaDa4

hold up, the fisheries fleet have Marines embarked shocked? Do they have arresting powers or they are just there for muscle?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:48pm On Oct 25, 2016
Namibian Air Force Z9 Joint Op with the Marines

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by gottfried21(m): 5:14pm On Oct 25, 2016
ViceAdmiral:


hold up, the fisheries fleet have Marines embarked shocked? Do they have arresting powers or they are just there for muscle?
Just there to flex grin wink
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 5:16pm On Oct 25, 2016
patches689:


a. "growing threat"
b. 20 year old ATGM

Pick one and only one.

Marine commander will say whatever is politically expedient to get funds, Syria is a hot button topic so Syria gets used as a "why". You are forgetting how the US Senate works.

There are far more modern ATGM being fielded in Syria than you would imagine.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:46pm On Oct 25, 2016
frumentius:
@chkil: whatever happened to these BMP1 upgrade prototypes that your army contracted ATE to produce, back in 2004/5?

they only try the prototype but choose in the end the russian "Berezhok' upgrade

Tula Instrument Design Bureau has started the second part of the contract with Algeria for the modernization of infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) BMP-1, according to which the customer will be transferred about 360 modernized BMP.

General Director Vladimir Popov told TASS : "In Algeria previously delivered and upgraded more than 400 BMP-1 , KBP began to fulfill the second part of the contract about the same amount for 360 combat vehicles. "

According to the director, the agreement is supposed to be completed within 2-3 years. Modernization of the BMP-1 will be done in a repair plant in Algeria with the assistance of Russian specialists.

Popov said that the BMP-1 Algeria upgraded with the installation of the crew compartment "Berezhok" which includes a 30-mm automatic gun 2A42, four launchers of anti-tank missile system (ATGM) "Cornet", 30-mm automatic grenade launcher AGS-30, 7.62 mm PKT coaxial machine gun

pic 1 , 2 the algerian BMP prototype by ATE tested in algeria
pic 3 , 4 the Berezhok upgrade in service now

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by gottfried21(m): 7:30pm On Oct 25, 2016
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by jteku(m): 7:59pm On Oct 25, 2016
When you talk of fire power, that what I mean.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by jteku(m): 10:37pm On Oct 25, 2016
C295W MILITARY AIRCRAFT: AIRBUS HOLDS DISCUSSION ON SALE PROPOSAL

The Chief of the Air Staff, Air Mshl Sadique Abubakar today played host to His Excellency, the Spanish Ambassador to Nigeria, Alfonso Barnuevo Sebastian De Erice, who led two executives of Airbus Defence and Space Company (Spain) to Headquarters Nigerian Air Force (NAF) to hold further discussion on the company’s proposal to sell the C295W military aircraft to the NAF. The company, earlier in January this year, had made a presentation on the aircraft and submitted a sale proposal to the NAF. Based on its operational capabilities, the aircraft was considered suitable to meet some of the operational needs of the NAF including Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) and airlift operations. The NAF has recommended the aircraft for acquisition and provisions have been made for this in the 2017 budget proposal. Meanwhile the Chief has urged the visiting team to start looking into training areas for NAF pilots and technicians on the aircraft. This, the CAS said, is with a view to ensuring a smooth take-off for the operation of the aircraft in the event of its approval by the Federal Government. The NAF is interested in the variant of the aircraft that is capable of undertaking multiple roles.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:22pm On Oct 25, 2016
jteku:
C295W MILITARY AIRCRAFT: AIRBUS HOLDS DISCUSSION ON SALE PROPOSAL

The Chief of the Air Staff, Air Mshl Sadique Abubakar today played host to His Excellency, the Spanish Ambassador to Nigeria, Alfonso Barnuevo Sebastian De Erice, who led two executives of Airbus Defence and Space Company (Spain) to Headquarters Nigerian Air Force (NAF) to hold further discussion on the company’s proposal to sell the C295W military aircraft to the NAF. The company, earlier in January this year, had made a presentation on the aircraft and submitted a sale proposal to the NAF. Based on its operational capabilities, the aircraft was considered suitable to meet some of the operational needs of the NAF including Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) and airlift operations. The NAF has recommended the aircraft for acquisition and provisions have been made for this in the 2017 budget proposal. Meanwhile the Chief has urged the visiting team to start looking into training areas for NAF pilots and technicians on the aircraft. This, the CAS said, is with a view to ensuring a smooth take-off for the operation of the aircraft in the event of its approval by the Federal Government. The NAF is interested in the variant of the aircraft that is capable of undertaking multiple roles.

Fuvcking Awesome bro!!!!!!. I've had dreams about this aircraft, infact my dreams have had dreams about the C295. I always wondered why we hadn't considered it.

Beautiful!!! More and more good news for NAF, it's incredible.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:42pm On Oct 25, 2016
jteku:
C295W MILITARY AIRCRAFT: AIRBUS HOLDS DISCUSSION ON SALE PROPOSAL

The Chief of the Air Staff, Air Mshl Sadique Abubakar today played host to His Excellency, the Spanish Ambassador to Nigeria, Alfonso Barnuevo Sebastian De Erice, who led two multiple roles.

This is fantastic news! This aircraft would fit in well into NAF's requirements. If Badeh and Amosu were not such morons, some of these orders should have taken place along time ago. This aircraft could replace the G-222 and Donier DO-228 in NAF service. We mount a FLIR pod like we do on virtually all our aircrafts these days and we got a decent multi-role aircraft. It can carry 71 troops, performs excellently in hot & humid conditions and is powered by two powerful Pratt & Whitney engines.


Excellent choice by NAF. A minimum of 6 Aircrafts should be our start-up order, and a further 4 in the years ahead.


Nice!

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:48am On Oct 26, 2016
patches689:


a. "growing threat"
b. 20 year old ATGM

Pick one and only one.

Marine commander will say whatever is politically expedient to get funds, Syria is a hot button topic so Syria gets used as a "why". You are forgetting how the US Senate works.
because how old is a abram tank design !the design of most ATGM hasn't evolved that much,most still use tandem warheads.TOW and MILAN ATGM's which are much older ATGM designs are still penetrating newer and even Up-Armored tanks.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 5:38am On Oct 26, 2016
africaken254:
because how old is a abram tank design !the design of most ATGM hasn't evolved that much,most still use tandem warheads.TOW and MILAN ATGM's which are much older ATGM designs are still penetrating newer and even Up-Armored tanks.

Again, no Abrams with the DU layer has ever been penetrated.

Big difference between the M1, M1A1, M1A2 and M1A2's with SEP (1, 2 and 3)... As well as the other half dozen upgrade systems floating around (TUSK, HA+ etc)

Iraqis use the old M1A1 (no DU, no SEP, not fully digitised), Saudis use mainly M1A2S (degraded SEP v1) which have chobbham but no DU.

The DU is the key.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 5:45am On Oct 26, 2016
Henry240:


This is fantastic news! This aircraft would fit in well into NAF's requirements. If Badeh and Amosu were not such morons, some of these orders should have taken place along time ago. This aircraft could replace the G-222 and Donier DO-228 in NAF service. We mount a FLIR pod like we do on virtually all our aircrafts these days and we got a decent multi-role aircraft. It can carry 71 troops, performs excellently in hot & humid conditions and is powered by two powerful Pratt & Whitney engines.


Excellent choice by NAF. A minimum of 6 Aircrafts should be our start-up order, and a further 4 in the years ahead.


Nice!

Work out the flight costs. Remember when RSA got offered a lease of those 5 MPAs? It worked out to an operational cost of R155 million per year with one flying every 2 days, excluding acquisition costs.

Your budget is shrinking not growing, with the war against Boko winding down its going to be harder and harder to get money from Govt who would rather use it to buy votes.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 5:45am On Oct 26, 2016
Patchesagain:


Again, no Abrams with the DU layer has ever been penetrated.

Big difference between the M1, M1A1, M1A2 and M1A2's with SEP (1, 2 and 3)... As well as the other half dozen upgrade systems floating around (TUSK, HA+ etc)

Iraqis use the old M1A1 (no DU, no SEP, not fully digitised), Saudis use mainly M1A2S (degraded SEP v1) which have chobbham but no DU.

The DU is the key.


They dont have Chobbam. They have composit armour only 1 tank uses Chobbam.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 5:58am On Oct 26, 2016
andrewza:



They dont have Chobbam. They have composit armour only 1 tank uses Chobbam.

3 tanks
Chally 1, Chally 2 and Abrams

Abrams was the first operational tank with Chobbham as well
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 6:48am On Oct 26, 2016
Patchesagain:


3 tanks
Chally 1, Chally 2 and Abrams

Abrams was the first operational tank with Chobbham as well


Brits have never exported it. People call all composit armour chobbam these days and that is wrong. America use there own composit armour developed in America. South all so uses it's own composit armour.




Chobbam is britsh only used by them. It has become a word used to describe all composit armour but this is wrong.

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