Yesterday, I went to drop off my sister at Monef Schools in Uyo. While with her during the clearance (ensuring the right things are brought to the hostel), I scanned the environment; saw well-off individuals (by Nigerian standards, I will say they are in the middle class category), groomed kids, handsome and beautiful, well fed, properly dressed, driven in SUVs etc. Why was and is it so?

Monef Schools (Kiddies and High) can be categorised as one of the top schools in Akwa Ibom together with the likes of Rayfield, Top Faith, Esteem High School, Graceland Schools and others I might not know (especially in Eket). Here, is where the creme da la creme of the state send their kids (albeit there's "free education" in the state, even though I detest free education) and the fees don't come cheap, 250K-400K per term without other added fees. For instance, my sister's fees and registration during her final class is 500K, I asked about Top Faith and was told it's slightly above a million. I must say, compared to Rivers State, it's cheap (However, the scale of economics differ, Rivers is expensive compared to Akwa Ibom). When I was schooling in Port-Harcourt, I knew the likes of Emmy Norberton, Hallel College, Brainfield, Bereton, Bloombred College etc charged high fees. A course mate from Emmy Norberton told me as at when she was there, her fees was 350K per term. You can imagine how much the finals will cost. What about me, then? It was 200K. However, that was then, this is now. I know that the aforementioned fees are "chicken change" for parents and students in Lagos, where good schools charge fees in millions. Grange Schools, British International College, American International School, St Saviour (on their website, you read about how they are quite selective in admission in order to "maintain the diversity" http://www.stsavioursschikoyi.org/admissions-process-2/), Corona Secondary School, Greensprings School etc.
https://www.nairaland.com/2821724/top-23-most-expensive-secondary .

Before someone says I'm boasting, or it's a Nigerian thing. I'm stating facts and it's everywhere (UK (Eton School, Cheltenham Ladies' College), Singapore (Raffles Institution, ANGLO-CHINESE SCHOOL) etc. Why am I saying this?

Believe it or not, the school one goes to determines the quality of education, quality of carriage, quality of reasoning and critical thinking, quality of discipline, quality of spoken english, quality of exposure, quality of character, quality of networking (aka, connections) one gets. Quality or "perceived" quality is expensive, this is everywhere. For someone to get the right quality whether product or service, you need to pay a high sum. No matter what, a Harvard/Oxford trained individual cannot get poor. Same cannot be said for an "atutupouyoyo" university. Good education cost money(which is why I don't criticise Covenant University's fees, only when he starts threatening people with "God's wrath"

Which is why I get irked not pained when I see kids hawk products in daytime during school hours; I get disturbed when lads and lasses struggle to sell an item, whether they'll get profits from it I don't know; I get worried when children who should be sleeping or reading or playing creative thinking games their age are sent to sell gala, plantain chips, biscuits, and the popular one pure water. Why I get pained is that the parents of these children had thoughts of them becoming useful in life. Useful by selling gala? Why I get pained, is that instead of undergoing family planning, they were saying God will provide and "manna" will fall from heaven (even though this is not Israel) and vomiting the phrase "Go ye into the world and multiply"; which is a deceiving verse as it doesn't talk about responsibility(ies). These kids grow up (if they're safe from sickness and accidents) to become riff-raffs, boko harmamites, militants, street urchins and all of sort of ills in the society. As a result, I have stopped buying things during traffic and especially from kids.

So in respect of that, I advocate:

- An individual whose GDP per capita is low should not get married.

- If married, they shouldn't give birth to any child(ren) at all.

- However, if they NEED to. Thy shouldn't give birth to more than a child after which the man should undergo a vasectomy and the woman a hysterectomy.

- If possible, they should be sterilised.


From my observations in Monef, most individuals had a maximum of THREE kids, but a m0ronic (permit me to use the word) human being as this has FIVE!!!!!
https://www.nairaland.com/3143689/cobbler-wife-welcome-triplets-uyo
Tell me, how will he and his wife ensure their kids get the best education? Nutrition? Facilities? Amenities? Exposure? Network? Can these ones go to Top Faith? Monef? Graceland? Grange? No is the answer, emphatically. Or this one:
https://www.nairaland.com/3210991/plight-street-sweepers-abuja#47290159

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against people procreating. In fact I encourage it (higher population, bigger market, more people to sell products and services etc), but not in the Nigerian context where an individual who hasn't eaten three times daily (nutritiously) will be told to go and marry. What's the point having a ginormous population when they can't get quality education, healthcare (CT scan costs 65K in good clinics, a reflective glass cost me 21K recently. Tell me, if pikin break head how will the parent fund it? ). People should know the country they are in. This is not Singapore or Japan or Sweden or South Korea where the governments actively encourage people to procreate, those are RICH nations with superb infrastructure, education system, healthcare, amenities etc. What I'm emphasizing is that individuals should give birth to a number of child(ren) they can ADEQUATELY take PROPER care of. One Nigerian example is Mr Tony Elumelu
https://www.nairaland.com/2772080/tony-elumelus-wife-delivers-two .
Albeit, I don't like the aspect of "wanting" a male child, but then, that's ELUMELU. He has the capacity to take adequate care of them not some riff-raff down the road who should be a high consumer of condom, postinor, vasectomy services, abortion clinics.

Prognostically, myself and future wife will procreate only TWO children (I don't like crowd), after which I'll go for a vasectomy and she a hysterectomy. Not that we won't have the resources, but, whatever we have will be used to take PROPER care of the kids and secure their future. Who wouldn't want his/her kids to go British International Lekki College? However, no be for mouth, na money dey talk. This can only be achieved when parents give birth to what they can take care of. I have seen cases (recently, a mason gave birth to his fourth child and invited my family to his "child dedication" and I objected, which I'm sure he would have required some "donations". I hate helping m0rons) when individuals procreate children they can't take proper care and they are nowhere to be found in the society today; educationally, exposure-wise, health care, nutrition etc.

As for the phrase, "Children are a blessing from God". That's possible when they are properly taken care of, not when they are sent to grandma for tutoring even when the grandma hasn't eaten well.

"Giving birth is cheap, raising them is expensive" - (Gerrard59, 2016)
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-3448120/Cost-raising-child-spirals-230-000.html
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jan/24/cost-to-raise-a-child-compared-to-decade-ago

CONT'D....

It has argued since aeons that whether intelligence is genetic or environmental https://www.nairaland.com/3435283/intelligence-inherited-family https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/traits/intelligence . Whatever position you might take is solely your prerogative. However, one way or the other, we will agree that the intelligence/brilliance/cleverness of children can be attributed to their parents. An orange tree cannot bring forth apples (maybe through GM technology ).

Which is why it's very important for individuals and the society to mate when their IQ is above a reasonable threshold and not with any kind person. Check the society today, we have a rising number of m0rons. Even here on Nairaland, the number of cretinous individuals has skyrocketed. This is harmful for the society, both now and in the future. In order for us to have a functioning society, I propose:

- An individual whose IQ is low should not get married.

- Intending couples should please undergo psychiatric and psychological assessments.

- Only intelligent ladies and gents should get married.

- If individuals with low IQ NEED to get married and procreate, it must ONLY be a child and nothing more.

The society is being filled with individuals who cannot think for themselves, are excessively credulous, cannot conduct basic research, argue blindly, spew out information without facts and evidences to back it up, behave anyhow, lack simple work ethic, are unknowledgeable etc. Which is why I continually advise lasses my age not to follow "bling-bling" boys (with nothing upstairs), unless they wish to procreate mumus. I implore them inclusive of the gents to date, cohabit, relate with individuals who are brilliant, intelligent, smart and knowledgeable. Defying the laws of physics (like pair repel, unlike pair attract), in this case, like pair attract and unlike pair repel.

Someone might ask, does OP have a girlfriend? No. Why? It's because I haven't seen a lass that can match my brilliance, intelligence, smartness and being knowledgeable and at the same time being less religious.

So please, in order for us to have a functioning society:

Individuals with a low GDP per Capita should not marry and procreate

ditto,

Individuals with a low IQ.

They should spend time making resources to take care of themselves and improving their IQ. I started watching CNN and BBC at the age of 5, reading newspapers at 10 (Punch and Guardian NG and graduated to The Economist, The Financial Times, WSJ, Straits Times of Singapore, SCMP etc) and it had a profound increase in my vocabulary and knowledge (resulting in me coming top of the class couple of times) coupled with the quality education at basic level (which is the most important level for educating a child properly) my parents provided. Trust me, when these are done, the society will be better for it.



Gerrard59.

Bla bla bla bla bla, quit spewing trash. That someone is poor doesn't mean he shouldn't have children, most rich men you see today came from a poor family and they are doing well now. I know many men and women that came from a poor family, attended schools that are below par, struggle to finish university and came out with first class. Do you know that its mostly children from poor family that make it in life and they are the ones that do very well in school.



About unintelligent people, two parents may not go to school but the are naturally smart and intelligent, apart from that, two unintelligent couples can give birth to an intelligent child.


That you send your children to a school where you pay 1m will not make them bright and most of these children don't even know anything when they come to compete with children of the poor that attend average public schools.


Mind you two intelligent parents can give birth to an unintelligent child, just like two cute parents can give birth to an ugly child, two short parents can also give birth to a very tall child(I have seen this one many times),Two dark parents can also give birth to a fair child.

op,Everything you just said is true,many poor Nigerian's will use the phrase "God will provide" that's a big lie,God will provide but were we not told to do all things in moderation.
And that of the IQ,I also concur,its affecting Nigeria seriously, and it started from our parents,many of them married for love instead of using their Brain's, you don't just marry because you love a lady,ask yourself. is this lady intelligent? is this lady on a thinking Level similar to mine? but no, instead they simply forget this with reckless abandon and that's what affecting our society today,its hindering our ability to think,we all just simply submit to whatever the pastor says,instead of going to church, a German man will pray in his house and the time you ate using to shout"hale eeee eee eeh eh" he will be repairing or creating something, let's us all know this,God will not save Nigeria if we cannot help ourselves.

This is probably going to get ugly Gerrard59...bro better hide! 70% of Nigerians cannot afford expensive, private education. And you have effectively told them that they're not the same level as those that can and they should stop doing the only thing they can do freely, which is to procreate. So yeah, lots of them are coming for you with pitchforks.

I agree and disagree with you. I think private education in Nigeria is better than public (everyone scream and shout but the truth of the matter is a lot of HR bosses prefer the CU and Redeemer students to UNILAG or UNIBEN students. One said the privates are more disciplined and could be trained easier, especially in banks).

I also feel that a large percentage of education lies with the parents: enlightened parents breed enlightened children, environment being key. So if you pay N2mil per annum for primary school, back it up with spending time with your kids, learning in real life. No whining how you are too tired from chasing money to spend time with your kids. And if you can't spend, take the time to cover the deficits you see in their education.

Most important of all: DON'T HAVE CHILDREN THAT YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO SPEND TIME ON AND RESORT TO CONSTANTLY USING THEM AS A MEANS OF SUSTENANCE.

Most of those high fees in a lot of schools go towards facilities and not great teaching staff. Can we all stop shouting "private school kids don't score well at JAMB/Common Entrance", nobody expects them to use those results, why will I pay N1.5mil per annum for primary school and send my child to FGGC Sagamu instead of Corona or Loyola Jesuit? Gone are those glory days of Unity schools and Federal Universities.

You cannot really tell lower-income people to stop having children they cannot cater for. That is infringing on their rights so what governments do is take away all the free handouts they get, but then the Liberal educated class will scream blue murder about starving kids. There is free family planning but lower class people will be angry that you are interfering with "God's plan for their fertility". One doesn't have to force your choices on them, simply refuse to support the choice they make.

@Op, please define "poor" and "unintelligent". Then we will go from there.

I do agree with you OP. Although I'd watch your tone if I were you so that you don't sound like you're deriding poor people.

I'd rather use the bulk of my money to travel the world and buy designer handbags than pay 5 children's school fees at the same time. (Think what you like about this but it's my business so...)

Two kids are more than enough.
I wonder how people have courage to beget 6 children. And they are both Nigerian primary school teachers or something that pays even lower.

cococandy:
I do agree with you OP. Although I'd watch your tone if I were you so that you don't sound like you're deriding poor people.

I'd rather use the bulk of my money to travel the world and buy designer handbags than pay 5 children's school fees at the same time. (Think what you like about this but it's my business so...)

Two kids are more than enough.
I wonder how people have courage to beget 6 children. And they are both Nigerian primary school teachers or something that pays even lower.

The lady with a kiosk down the street has 2 kids, older child is 4 and cannot even identify colours easily talkless of read simple sentences yet he is attending a "school". Instead of them to save up to move him to a better school, they threw 1st year birthday party for 2nd child. People earning more did quiet cutting of cake in their homes for 1st birthday. It's their choice but please don't ask me to bankrole such decisions. A mallam selling foodstuffs told me proudly he has 5 kids. I just smiled and moved away. If you line your 7 children in front of my gate on Christmas Day, expecting Lord knows what, I shall congratulate you on their well-being and disappoint you. I chose how to use my fertility so as not to burden another so why should I support your choices?

Hmm, I'm beginning to sound like a Republican...or maybe I'm Republican about Welfare...though I believe in affordable healthcare for all, which is Democratic...hmmm

Lol. this thread is really funny. lot rubbish said in between making your original point,which I do not completely agree with you. I got confused trying to get your definition of poor. on one hand you opined those who can't cater for the need of their children and on the other you opined those who cant afford going to schools that their fee is half a million. the later I agree the other I disagree.

on a lighter note you said unintelligent women should not get married. do you want 70 percent of Nigerian women or 97% of nairaland women stay stay single. that not cool.
funny thread

Here you have primary school students paying over 500k, 800k, etc in a term.



The anti-covenant university charlatans will never appear on this thread because these primary schools were not established by Pastors (e.g. Oyedepo).


A lot of adults in this country, especially on Nairaland need to return to Primary schools.

Op you sound proud and conceited,in as much as I agreed with some points you made like controlled childbirth I must say that life isnt straightforward.
You don't have To rub it on poor peoples faces rather in such cases you educate,suggest and direct them to places where they can get permanent FAM. Planning methods.sex actually happens to be the only swimming,gyming,outing,sight seeing and gifts they can afford.

Poverty is a plague and not just a disease...

But IGNORANCE is the mother of every STUPIDITY

Believe it or not, the school one goes to determines the quality of education, quality of carriage, quality of reasoning and critical thinking, quality of discipline, quality of spoken english, quality of exposure, quality of character, quality of networking (aka, connections) one gets.

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No matter what, a Harvard/Oxford trained individual cannot get poor. Same cannot be said for an "atutupouyoyo" university.

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Prognostically, myself and future wife will procreate only TWO children (I don't like crowd), after which I'll go for a vasectomy and she a hysterectomy

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Which is why it's very important for individuals and the society to mate when their IQ is above a reasonable threshold and not with any kind person. Check the society today, we have a rising number of m0rons. Even here on Nairaland, the number of cretinous individuals has skyrocketed.

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These kids grow up (if they're safe from sickness and accidents) to become riff-raffs, boko harmamites, militants, street urchins and all of sort of ills in the society.

××××××××××××××××××××××××××

As a result, I have stopped buying things during traffic and especially from kids.

Why should they suffer for the carelessness of their parents?

cococandy:
I do agree with you OP. Although I'd watch your tone if I were you so that you don't sound like you're deriding poor people.

I'd rather use the bulk of my money to travel the world and buy designer handbags than pay 5 children's school fees at the same time. (Think what you like about this but it's my business so...)

Two kids are more than enough.
I wonder how people have courage to beget 6 children. And they are both Nigerian primary school teachers or something that pays even lower.

@Bolded. That's what it sounds like.

Gerrard59 I respect you and know you're a smart young bobo (think we met on the Monsanto thread). That said, I think this post is pretty disjointed and in some part, condescending.

All fingers are not equal my brother and people have differing choices. Not every one was lucky enough to go to the best schools. We didn't choose the famillies we were born into and if we had that choice, low income earners might've all been barren.

I agree with some points though. I believe people should give birth to the number of children they can take care of. One, two kids or a football team, it doesn't matter. Just be capable enough to take care of them.

I know an oil worker that has 5 kids and is training 2 others plus a house help. They all go to nice schools (I think one goes to a school in that same Eket) and the man is shouldering it all. Another man has 6 kids, an oil oga too, and all kids are doing great. These men are not living in rented apartments and hustling, they are balling.

So you see, once a man feels he can handle it then I believe it's fair. I'm against having kids and not being able to cater for them -- even if it's one child.

On IQ-marriage, I share this sentiment and hope to marry a smart woman. But I will not impose it on anybody. Life is not all about being book smart or street smart. Some got married to dullardinhos and their kids sing some of the songs Nigerians jump to today (no offense to anyone). They are sucessful.

Success is relative. Also, it is possible to get marred to someone of below average IQ, have kids and send them to the best schools.

A CU or Harvard otondo will most likely have a different thought process from a Nigerian public uni one.

I knew my thread will have effects, whether positive or negative. I don't mind. Am I harsh? Yes, I have to be as most Nigerians prefer to learn things the harsh/hard way (one of the few reasons I don't criticise Buhari). Truth is, majority of Nigerians are undisciplined and this is as a result of poor home training, poor nutrition, poor environment, little care for the kids, poor or little exposure and poor or little access to QUALITY information (quality information costs money, DSTV isn't 2 naira, If not Glo, internet access would've been very expensive; the effects is on Nairaland for all to see)

@Catalin. "Do you know that its mostly children from poor family that make it in life and they are the ones that do very well in school." I need statistics to back this up. On the flip side, let's "assume" it's so, what is the percentage of POOR people that make it in life? Is it when one out of eight kids gets sent to school and others wait for his/her success story? Then, when made, seven grown up individuals start disturbing ONE person up and down? Poor people do well in school? Albeit, I don't school at Covenant University, but have you bothered to check and converse with their products? Have you ever picked Saturday Punch and flipped to Campus Champion to read about their exploits? The believe that POOR children perform well in school is not really true as both the middle-class/rich kids do well also. What's needed is DETERMINATION and PERSEVERANCE and anyone can perform well; coupled with the right environment (which costs money). Constant supply of books, pocket money, credit, textbook fees, registration fees make up for the right environment and these costs MONEY.
About going to expensive schools and whether they'll get educated, it's important to note that sending your child to a good school goes beyond academics (albeit, I'm all for one), network, exposure, also count. The secondary school I went to has given me contacts that I'm sure will be useful now and in the future. If I had knew about the likes of Hallel College, I know the excessive quality of contacts I'd have now. Then again, one of secondary school mate called me to prepare a business plan for his company which he intends to present to an investor. You don't get such in any kind school. Another is an aspiring politician acclaimed law student.

Yes, two short parents can give birth to tall kids. That's genetics. It's one out of four 1/4. I'm sure if we check their genealogy, one of them had a tall parent or relative. This is purely scientific and not "tumbo-tumbo". If you like marry a short man, you'll born short pikins. Their type full Akwa Ibom and my mum says it's because the men fear to be beaten by tall wives, so they marry short women .

oloyede252:
Lol. this thread is really funny. lot rubbish said in between making your original point,which I do not completely agree with you. I got confused trying to get your definition of poor. on one hand you opined those who can't cater for the need of their children and on the other you opined those who cant afford going to schools that their fee is half a million. the later I agree the other I disagree.
on a lighter note you said unintelligent women should not get married. do you want 70 percent of Nigerian women or 97% of nairaland women stay stay single. that not cool.
funny thread

Ditto @Winneygirl, My definition of POOR is when one's GDP capita is low and cannot take PROPER care of oneself talk more a baby. Pampers are expensive ditto eggs ditto SMA Gold ditto drugs. Unintelligent? That's no brainer, when individuals behave in a m0ronic manner coupled with being raised in a poor environment (money plays a role in having the right environment. Which is why the rich congregate at Lekki, Ewet Housing, Asokoro, Ikeja GRA or any SANE environment. I read a thread where a girl was killed in Mushin, the lass schooled at Bowen or so, her mum was a government official. Such cannot occur in say Magodo etc), they are unintelligent and it'll take proper grooming (which also costs money) to get them up to a reasonable level. Most unintelligent individuals have a poor sense of investment, spending money anyhow. Person never chop belle full, now goes ahead to conduct a naming ceremony. To name wetin? On top acquired poverty? And the cretin asked for a donation of 100K . I banned such individuals from visiting our house, it's your wahala not mine. Condom is #50, family planning procedures are cheap or better still free. At most, get sterilised.

Gerrard59:
Prognostically, myself and future wife will procreate only TWO children

You do realise that it is not even within your power to determine what you have written here ?

Romans 9:16 - So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Ecclesiastes 9:11 - I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

Neither is it within your gift, to subjectively decide what procreative limits should be placed on people due to arbitrary IQ or wealth indicators. Some considered points, but this is more miss than hit IMO.


TV

Abiagirl777:
Op you sound proud and conceited,in as much as I agreed with some points you made like controlled childbirth I must say that life isnt straightforward.
You don't have To rub it on poor peoples faces rather in such cases you educate,suggest and direct them to places where they can get permanent FAM. Planning methods.sex actually happens to be the only swimming,gyming,outing,sight seeing and gifts they can afford.

You call it pride, I term it confidence, I term it stating facts without being politically correct (which is damaging many nations today).

Majority of Nigerians like things rubbed on their faces and that I will do. I say it to anyone's face. I know a senior Customs Officer, has four kids, they go to Fortune High School (another top school in the state). Am I against such an individual for procreating? No. Dude is intelligent, has investments everywhere, a strong and reliable network. Educate? That's what I'm doing, and on pro bono basis (something I rarely do, QUALITY education is expensive). Enjoyment? Take a stroll, take fruits, go to parks (every park in Uyo has free entry). However, what do they do there? Smoking, drinking recklessly and stvpidly and when kidney wahala comes, they'll go to a church instead of a urologist (which is expensive, back to my earlier point)

Onegai:
This is probably going to get ugly Gerrard59...bro better hide! 70% of Nigerians cannot afford expensive, private education. And you have effectively told them that they're not the same level as those that can and they should stop doing the only thing they can do freely, which is to procreate. So yeah, lots of them are coming for you with pitchforks.
I agree and disagree with you. I think private education in Nigeria is better than public (everyone scream and shout but the truth of the matter is a lot of HR bosses prefer the CU and Redeemer students to UNILAG or UNIBEN students. One said the privates are more disciplined and could be trained easier, especially in banks).
I also feel that a large percentage of education lies with the parents: enlightened parents breed enlightened children, environment being key. So if you pay N2mil per annum for primary school, back it up with spending time with your kids, learning in real life. No whining how you are too tired from chasing money to spend time with your kids. And if you can't spend, take the time to cover the deficits you see in their education.
Most important of all: DON'T HAVE CHILDREN THAT YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO SPEND TIME ON AND RESORT TO CONSTANTLY USING THEM AS A MEANS OF SUSTENANCE.
Most of those high fees in a lot of schools go towards facilities and not great teaching staff. Can we all stop shouting "private school kids don't score well at JAMB/Common Entrance", nobody expects them to use those results, why will I pay N1.5mil per annum for primary school and send my child to FGGC Sagamu instead of Corona or Loyola Jesuit? Gone are those glory days of Unity schools and Federal Universities.
You cannot really tell lower-income people to stop having children they cannot cater for. That is infringing on their rights so what governments do is take away all the free handouts they get, but then the Liberal educated class will scream blue murder about starving kids. There is free family planning but lower class people will be angry that you are interfering with "God's plan for their fertility". One doesn't have to force your choices on them, simply refuse to support the choice they make.

Good day Ms,
50% of this thread is dedicated to you. Remember when you talked about visiting that school in Lekki? Make I ask, how many kids did the average parent had? I'm sure not more than 3 or 4. Yet cretins will have six and worst still, they are un-intelligent. What rights? By populating the society with m0rons? No. They lost it when they had children they cannot take care of.

Mr An0nimus,

I assume you're a Nigerian, kindly tell me, will the average Nigerian hear things being told to them in a passive manner? No. I'm a Nigerian, however, I don't have the Nigerian mentality (which good education prevents and this costs money).

Another reason most of them give birth to this high number of kids is to inherit a "name". I ask, what name? So because Mr Elumelu gave birth to 2 boys after having 5 girls, a cretin will do same?

Anyone who had read or reads the book "From Third World to First World" by Late Lee Kuan Yew (good books are expensive). He did same I'm proposing, where's Singapore today? Rich, solid infrastructure, clean (environment and governance), disciplined, strong work ethic etc.

Mark Zuckerberg, 5th richest man, married a doctor from Harvard, he too is from Harvard and he has ONLY a child. A billionaire has ONLY a child and a riff-raff somewhere down the road is planning for his 6th child? What about his then co-founder Eduardo Saverin? He married a data analyst from a top school in Asia and has two kids. That's another billionaire oh.


For the records, I'm not against people giving birth rather I'm against POOR people procreating ditto un-intelligent humans. If you're poor, please for the good of the society and yourself, don't give birth. If you're not brilliant, intelligent, smart and knowledgeable, do yourself good by not giving birth. Finally, earnestly pray I don't enter government.

TV01:

You do realise that it is not even within your power to determine what you have written here ?

Romans 9:16 - So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Ecclesiastes 9:11 - I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

Neither is it within your gift, [/b]to subjectively decide what procreative limits should be placed on people due to arbitrary IQ or wealth indicators.[b] Some considered points, but this is more miss than hit IMO.
TV

With science, every thing is possible. There's what is called gene editing. Basically, with genetics, one can give birth to desired kids.
http://www.economist.com/node/10640593
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21661651-new-technique-manipulating-genes-holds-great-promisebut-rules-are-needed-govern-its

At the bolded, I'm offering people common sense and free education and you say I'm wrong?

How do you explain the theory that states: a poor country (Nigeria) should ban her poor citizens from procreating?

Let me ask you, why do we have majority of the state owned primary/secondary institutions running tuition-free programmes? In fact, higher institutions are largely maintaining their ridiculous meagre fees because of the poor.

Whenever you're addressing a Nigeria issue, ignore the private entities mostly populated by a few minority.

Contacts can be gotten anywhere. The only reason I'd enrol my children in these schools may be closely related to 'morals' and density.

Overall, I'd rather you address issues pertaining to levels of exposure. Some wealthy folks eat like pigs because they're unexposed. Some poor ones can be so coordinated even when they relate with the rich; some are uneducated/unintelligent but loaded with cash. However, when you're exposed, you have it all.

Lastly, a poor parent with 10 kids is a f00l. A rich parent with 10 kids is still a f00l. The poor one can become rich tomorrow, but what if he remains poor forever? The rich parent may be rich forever, but what happens when he fails tomorrow?

what Op doesn't know is that a richer person could also categorize him as "poor"... in other words, he shouldn't birth kids too

Gerrard59:
For the records, I'm not against people giving birth rather I'm against POOR people procreating ditto un-intelligent humans. If you're poor, please for the good of the society and yourself, don't give birth. If you're not brilliant, intelligent, smart and knowledgeable, do yourself good by not giving birth. Finally, earnestly pray I don't enter government.

...and if I deem that your IQ and/or wealth are below a threshold I determine, will you agree not to procreate. You don't have the right.

Even if you eliminated all the low IQ and poor people with a click of your fingers, leaving only middle class to very wealthy, over time a new poor and low IQ set of citizens will emerge. The poor will always be with us, as will the not averagely intelligent, as will the puffed up and conceited .

Gerrard59:
With science, every thing is possible. There's what is called gene editing. Basically, with genetics, one can give birth to desired kids.
http://www.economist.com/node/10640593
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21661651-new-technique-manipulating-genes-holds-great-promisebut-rules-are-needed-govern-its
At the bolded, I'm offering people common sense and free education and you say I'm wrong?

Very wrong.

Why limit it to wealth and intelligence. Surely we can introduce other factors. What about physical beauty? We could eliminate short, fat, ugly, disabled or deformed people as well. Lets aim for an utopia of intelligent, rich and beautiful people.

See where this goes? It's called eugenics. Some people, believe black people in their entirety are a drag on the human race. Perhaps they should go too? It's called eugenics, but it's really a form of "playing God" - not within your gift!

My indicators are returning a no for you


TV

PresVA:
what Op doesn't know is that a richer person could also categorize him as "poor"... in other words, he shouldn't birth kids too

Unfortunately, you're mis-quoting me. I said, if one's GDP per Capita is low and cannot ADEQUATELY take proper care of him/her self, they shouldn't marry and procreate. If they NEED (not must) to marry, no child(ren) till when the resoucres are available and discretionary income left.

TV01:
...and if I deem that your IQ and/or wealth are below a threshold I determine, will you agree not to procreate. You don't have the right.
Even if you eliminated all the low IQ and poor people with a click of your fingers, leaving only middle class to very wealthy, over time a new poor and low IQ set of citizens will emerge. The poor will always be with us, as will the not averagely intelligent, as will the puffed up and conceited .
Very wrong.
Why limit it to wealth and intelligence. Surely we can introduce other factors. What about physical beauty? We could eliminate short, fat, ugly, disabled or deformed people as well. Lets aim for an utopia of intelligent, rich and beautiful people.
See where this goes? It's called eugenics. Some people, believe black people in their entirety are a drag on the human race. Perhaps they should go too? It's called eugenics, but it's really a form of "playing God" - not within your gift!
My indicators are returning a no for you
TV

Yes, I'm pro-eugenic. There will be a formulated system some what like JAMB, if you don't get up to 200, no procreation. I'm all for it. The world needs more intelligence not necessarily beauty. I have seen beautiful girls who are not intelligent and totally unknowledgeable and seen not so beautiful girls who are intelligent not just that, they are also diligent. I prefer the latter to procreate not the former. There's a high number of fvctards in the society, reducing them is a task that must be done.

Acidosis:
How do you explain the theory that states: a poor country (Nigeria) should ban her poor citizens from procreating?
Let me ask you, why do we have majority of the state owned primary/secondary institutions running tuition-free programmes? In fact, higher institutions are largely maintaining their ridiculous meagre fees because of the poor.
Whenever you're addressing a Nigeria issue, ignore the private entities mostly populated by a few minority.
Contacts can be gotten anywhere. The only reason I'd enrol my children in these schools may be closely related to 'morals' and density.
Overall, I'd rather you address issues pertaining to levels of exposure. Some wealthy folks eat like pigs because they're unexposed. Some poor ones can be so coordinated even when they relate with the rich; some are uneducated/unintelligent but loaded with cash. However, when you're exposed, you have it all.
Lastly, a poor parent with 10 kids is a f00l. A rich parent with 10 kids is still a f00l. The poor one can become rich tomorrow, but what if he remains poor forever? The rich parent may be rich forever, but what happens when he fails tomorrow?

China did same when she was poor, and reversed it when she became rich. Nigeria should do same.
Higher institutions do so and what's the resultant effect? A failed education system with little or no quality. Singapore spent $15.1BN over a period of ten years into her tertiary education system and what's the result? The National University of Singapore and the Nanyang Technological University are among the top 20 in the QS rankings. How many are there? 5.5 million.

As long as the individual is wealthy (gotten legitimately) enough to purchase the products, no problem. Why should the poor imitate the rich in eating and refuse to do same in procreation? You cannot get exposure by watching NTA, reading poorly written novels, watching unproductive cartoons. One gets exposure by watching top news channels, reading top newspapers, getting access to the computer at a young age, eating properly for the brain to assimilate information, traveling to top places not only an interior village, mating with fellow exposed individuals.

I will need statistics for the "rich man gets poor tomorrow and poor gets rich tomorrow".

Just recently, the man who sold the land where we built our second house gave birth to his second child. This is a man that cannot eat three times daily (even if he does, it is of poor quality). When I asked my mum, she said the cretin told her he "wanted a male child" after his fellow cretin gave birth to a girl as the first child. Why must it be a male she asked? "I want somebody to carry the name of the family". What name? Name that has no Google results? Now, tell me, shouldn't he be sterilised? Shouldn't the wife undergo hysterectomy?

Jarizod:
Nice points Mr op..however I would disagree with you a little.. even if they should procreate it shouldn't be more than 2 kids but most people are very funny..they give birth to like 10 children!! but don't have funds to take care of them..!
Saying they shouldnt procreate at all is not good but at least the one ur *power* can carry!

Thank you. However, they should not give birth when their economic standing is poor. Give birth ONLY when it improves and secure investments. The rate of procreation should be directly proportional to their economic success. As for unintelligent people, their case is simply sterilisation.

.....and to think that these persons will vote in an election?

E no go better for democracy. We need a geniocracy.

Gerrard59:
Yes, I'm pro-eugenic. There will be a formulated system some what like JAMB, if you don't get up to 200, no procreation. I'm all for it. The world needs more intelligence not necessarily beauty. I have seen beautiful girls who are not intelligent and totally unknowledgeable and seen not so beautiful girls who are intelligent not just that, they are also diligent. I prefer the latter to procreate not the former. There's a high number of fvctards in the society, reducing them is a task that must be done.

Your criteria are arbitrary. Others may prefer beauty to intelligence, your individual preferences cannot hold sway here. And note, physical characteristics - IQ being near the top of that list - do not speak to moral attributes, which too my mind are more important. And you said nothing about the disabled/deformed - No dribbling please .

Further, what about things such as single-parenthood, which are good indicators of poverty and delinquency, what would you insist on here?

Gerrard59:
China did same when she was poor, and reversed it when she became rich. Nigeria should do same.

Happy you brought this up. Firstly, China initiative was not about characteristics, but numbers. In a sense, IMO at least, it's the same moral wrong. The state has no right to be prescriptive regards procreation. The initiative has now presented China with a serious demographic problem, which they will not likely be able to fix.

They've now made it 2 children per couple - which is still wrong - but even this will not rectify the situation - not in enough time anyway. Men playing God - failure assured. Wise people know that . Intelligence is nothing without wisdom, understanding and the fear of God.

Gerrard59:
As long as the individual is wealthy (gotten legitimately) enough to purchase the products, no problem. Why should the poor imitate the rich in eating and refuse to do same in procreation? You cannot get exposure by watching NTA, reading poorly written novels, watching unproductive cartoons. One gets exposure by watching top news channels, reading top newspapers, getting access to the computer at a young age, eating properly for the brain to assimilate information, traveling to top places not only an interior village, mating with fellow exposed individuals.

How would you force rich people with low IQ's to not procreate? There are millionaires from modelling, sport, lotteries etc. which require things other than a high IQ.

Gerrard59:
Just recently, the man who sold the land where we built our second house gave birth to his second child. This is a man that cannot eat three times daily (even if he does, it is of poor quality). When I asked my mum, she said the cretin told her he "wanted a male child" after his fellow cretin gave birth to a girl as the first child. Why must it be a male she asked? "I want somebody to carry the name of the family". What name? Name that has no Google results? Now, tell me, shouldn't he be sterilised? Shouldn't the wife undergo hysterectomy?

Thank you. However, they should not give birth when their economic standing is poor. Give birth ONLY when it improves and secure investments. The rate of procreation should be directly proportional to their economic success. As for unintelligent people, their case is simply sterilisation.

And in this utopia of rich intelligent people, who will be the working class - i.e. drivers, maids, mei-guards etc.?


TV

PresVA:
what Op doesn't know is that a richer person could also categorize him as "poor"... in other words, he shouldn't birth kids too

That's the thing with people who are very conceited but don't even realize it.
No matter how privileged a person thinks he or she is,there are always people around (even in the same neighborhood) who have it better and if these people want to play this same card of looking down, then the OP and anyone with such a faulty way of thinking will also be considered poor by higher standards.

My mom always told me no matter where you are in life or what you think you have achieved, always remember that there are other persons out there who have achieved more and are higher socially or financially. Remember this and you will remember humilty

Gerrard59:


You call it pride, I term it confidence, I term it stating facts without being politically correct (which is damaging many nations today).

Your definition and interpretation of confidence needs some serious work.

Majority of Nigerians like things rubbed on their faces and that I will do. I say it to anyone's face. I know a senior Customs Officer, has four kids, they go to Fortune High School (another top school in the state). Am I against such an individual for procreating? No. Dude is intelligent, has investments everywhere, a strong and reliable network. Educate? That's what I'm doing, and on pro bono basis (something I rarely do, QUALITY education is expensive). Enjoyment? Take a stroll, take fruits, go to parks (every park in Uyo has free entry). However, what do they do there? Smoking, drinking recklessly and stvpidly and when kidney wahala comes, they'll go to a church instead of a urologist (which is expensive, back to my earlier point)

I have a feeling you aren't the CEO of any company yet and that you have a boss or bosses. Do you also say anything you want to say to their faces?

I assume you're a Nigerian, kindly tell me, will the average Nigerian hear things being told to them in a passive manner? No. I'm a Nigerian, however, I don't have the Nigerian mentality (which good education prevents and this costs money).

Spoken like a conceited individual who's full of it. You live in Nigeria or have lived in Nigeria for a considerable time, then the 'Nigerian mentality' is part of you whether you like it or not.

Equating 'good education' to the amount of money spent, IS A NIGERIAN MENTALITY.
You exposed yourself with this and many other points in your write-up.

Another reason most of them give birth to this high number of kids is to inherit a "name". I ask, what name? So because Mr Elumelu gave birth to 2 boys after having 5 girls, a cretin will do same?

Who is a cretin?

Lemme guess, a cretin would be someone who is not as wealthy as Mr Elumelu but wants to have children to inherit a name, because according to you, inheriting a name is all about inheriting wealth. This is what your quality education taught you.

Anyone who had read or reads the book "From Third World to First World" by Late Lee Kuan Yew (good books are expensive). He did same I'm proposing, where's Singapore today? Rich, solid infrastructure, clean (environment and governance), disciplined, strong work ethic etc.

LOL. You are a class act.

That book is on the internet for download free of charge. See I knew you were full of shyte once I finished reading your second post and I was surprised anyone would take you seriously.

Mark Zuckerberg, 5th richest man, married a doctor from Harvard, he too is from Harvard and he has ONLY a child. A billionaire has ONLY a child and a riff-raff somewhere down the road is planning for his 6th child? What about his then co-founder Eduardo Saverin? He married a data analyst from a top school in Asia and has two kids. That's another billionaire oh.

Billionaires may have fewer kids,but one thing they don't do is try to decide or regulate how many kids other people should have.

Apart from already seeing it in your first post, this is how anyone who is paying close attention can sense that you are from a middle-class family who probably didn't start out as middle-class, no offense.

This social class of people usually have the biggest mouth and grandest opinions because they feel they have arrived, no offence again.

For the records, I'm not against people giving birth rather I'm against POOR people procreating ditto un-intelligent humans. If you're poor, please for the good of the society and yourself, don't give birth. If you're not brilliant, intelligent, smart and knowledgeable, do yourself good by not giving birth. Finally, earnestly pray I don't enter government.

Poor people procreate and give birth to ONLY unintelligent humans(children) while rich people don't.
Only 'quality and expensive education' can make someone think like this.

Don't bother about entering government Sir, what we have is a democracy and only you cannot make laws without other people gathering around to discuss and contemplate it before approving it. It's very possible you weren't taught this.

I'd gladly support any law that punishes any family with more than two kids in Nigeria,unfortunstely our Northern elites will not allow it see the light of day.
Vices arising from uncared for children is pulling us 100 yes backward.

Abiagirl777:
I'd gladly support any law that punishes any family with more than two kids in Nigeria,unfortunstely our Northern elites will not allow it see the light of day.
Vices arising from uncared for children is pulling us 100 yes backward.

Such a law is more communist than democratic, even if the intent is noble.

I wager you won't support a Sharia law that punishes people who engage in premarital sex or punishes women for not covering the body properly. These are also very good laws with noble intent.
Are you seeing my point yet?

TV01:

Your criteria are arbitrary. Others may prefer beauty to intelligence, your individual preferences cannot hold sway here. And note, physical characteristics - IQ being near the top of that list - do not speak to moral attributes, which too my mind are more important. And you said nothing about the disabled/deformed - No dribbling please .

Further, what about things such as single-parenthood, which are good indicators of poverty and delinquency, what would you insist on here?


Happy you brought this up. Firstly, China initiative was not about characteristics, but numbers. In a sense, IMO at least, it's the same moral wrong. The state has no right to be prescriptive regards procreation. The initiative has now presented China with a serious demographic problem, which they will not likely be able to fix.

They've now made it 2 children per couple - which is still wrong - but even this will not rectify the situation - not in enough time anyway. Men playing God - failure assured. Wise people know that . Intelligence is nothing without wisdom, understanding and the fear of God.


How would you force rich people with low IQ's to not procreate? There are millionaires from modelling, sport, lotteries etc. which require things other than a high IQ.


And in this utopia of rich intelligent people, who will be the working class - i.e. drivers, maids, mei-guards etc.?


TV

With genetics, all can be eradicated. The society needs more intelligence (the article I posted says it all), morality is subjective. Morality doesn't proeries, engineering wonders, internet, infrastructure and many things the world is enjoying today. I'm all for intelligence, IQ. Nothing else. Single-parenthood? The more reason I espouse due diligence of partners before marriage and even staying two years before procreating. However, if it happens (divorce), it's far easier to take care of say 1 child than 4.

The Chinese unfortunately allowed culture to decide for them as many went ahead to procreate mostly males. However, a much better example is Singapore - Lee Kuan Yew should be given a posthumous award. Intelligence is the key word, if anyone is not intelligent enough (to pass the threshold), don't procreate. People should stop populating the world with cretins. Yes, there would be a measurement. If you're not intelligent, don't procreate.

That's where robotics and IoT come to play. It's currently happening in Japan. Robot servants (it's getting ubiquitous in a place like Singapore), driverless cars etc. The government has a big role to play (which is what I'm advocating).

missjo:

Your definition and interpretation of confidence needs some serious work.


I have a feeling you aren't the CEO of any company yet and that you have a boss or bosses. Do you also say anything you want to say to their faces?



Spoken like a conceited individual who's full of it. You live in Nigeria or have lived in Nigeria for a considerable time, then the 'Nigerian mentality' is part of you whether you like it or not.

Equating 'good education' to the amount of money spent, is a NIGERIAN MENTALITY.
You exposed yourself with this and many other points in your write-up.


Who is a cretin?

Lemme guess, a cretin would be someone who is not as wealthy as Mr Elumelu but wants to have children to inherit a name, because according to you, inheriting a name is all about inheriting wealth. This is what your quality education taught you.


LOL. You are a class act.

That book is on the internet for download free of charge. See I knew you were full of shyte once I finished reading your second post and I was surprised anyone would take you seriously.


Billionaires may have fewer kids,but one thing they don't do is try to decide or regulate how many kids other people should have.

Apart from already seeing it in your first post, this is how anyone who is paying close attention can sense that you are from a middle-class family who probably didn't start out as middle-class, no offense.

This social class of people usually have the biggest mouth and grandest opinions because they feel they have arrived, no offence again.



Poor people procreate and give birth to ONLY unintelligent humans(children) while rich people don't.
Only 'quality and expensive education' can make someone think like this.

Don't bother about entering government Sir, what we have is a democracy and only you cannot make laws without other people gathering around to discuss and contemplate it before approving it. It's very possible you weren't taught this.

Unfortunately, most Nigerians have a different perspective of pride. I say it (the topic's title) to anyone who cares to hear. Hearing is the individual's prerogative.

The Nigerian mentality is a bad one and one which I don't like. However, when one gets proper education from the best schools, the effect is minimal. This I have seen. Madam, good/quality education anywhere is not CHEAP. Whether in Singapore, UK, US, Japan, South Africa. Just anywhere. It's not cheap. This is where the government needs to come in (improving public education), however, resources are scarce, corruption rife, plenty mouths to feed. How possible is it?

Someone who hasn't eaten properly wants to keep procreating because he "wants" a male child to carry the "name"?? No investments, proper training, right environment (for good upbringing) and you support the individual to keep procreating? Wow. He doesn't "like" the female gender because "she" cannot carry the name, but wants a male child - yet he cannot buy pampers for the baby he has now. This is my problem with leftism. Hopefully, you'd be there to take care of his potential "battalion". Can you please tell me, what's wrong in him undergoing a vasectomy?

Because a book is on the internet - free to read - doesn't mean I should encourage piracy. If the book is free worldwide, I will read. However, I promote intellectual property and its gains. So I pay for it, and it didn't come cheap. At bolded, that's why e no better for democracy. As for the rest, your prerogative to say whatever you like. I knew from the onset that the thread will evoke emotions, but I had to do it.

Abiagirl777:
I'd gladly support any law that [/b]punishes any family with more than two kids[b] in Nigeria,unfortunstely our Northern elites will not allow it see the light of day.
Vices arising from uncared for children is pulling us 100 yes backward.

Yes, but their economic position and intellect should be ascertained before marriage. That's my stance.



https://www.nairaland.com/3451811/jobless-graduate-welcomes-set-triplets


You see what I'm saying. Not one, not two, but three!!!!!!!

Advise them to undergo vasectomy and hysterectomy, they'll say I'm a class act. Whatever that implies

ElsonMorali:
Thank God your opinion ends on Nairaland.
If people with low IQ shouldn't procreate I hope you have gone to castrate yourself.
Every human being regardless of race, gender, class or religion has the right to the pursuit of [/b]"happyness"[b].

By bringing another set to come and suffer? What's your definition of happiness? Castrate myself? Intelligent beings should in fact be paid for procreation. We're doing the society good.

Thank God your opinion ends on Nairaland.

If people with low IQ shouldn't procreate I hope you have gone to castrate yourself.

Every human being regardless of race, gender, class or religion has the right to the pursuit of "happyness".