Mindfulness:

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And their dvmbness makes them think that Trump's victory is the result of him being sexist, so much for analytical skills.

Ah, O ma se o. What a pity.

raumdeuter:
Its also funny when some posters on this forum brag about how the West and America is the standard and would tell us this can only happen in Nigeria/Africa

I wonder if in Nigeria a man who

- Has 5 kids from 3 wives and was openly cheating on each of them, actually he took the 1st and 2nd to a holiday resort to fight it out
- Openly said if he came home and doesnt meet food on his table he loses it
- Says you have to treat women like shitt
- Babies and pregnancy are an inconvenience
- Insults a woman by referring to "Blood coming out of her everywhere
- Calls women pigs sluts, bimbos fat and every degrading name

Is now voted as President

Nigerian women would have sworn this cant happen in advanced countries and berate Africa for all wrong in the world

You didn't add his age.

missjo:

LOL, you're taking it too serious.

This isn't about direct support for Donald Trump, but about the "oh a misogynist and racist man who is anti-gay & anti-abortion is now president of the great liberal and developed USA"
IN YOUR FACE

In your mama's face.

What do you have against Hillary?

Mindfulness:


Trump has made racist, islamophobic and sexist remarks but that does not mean that his voters or most of them are racist, sexist or islamophobic.
I would have never voted for him but voting for Hillary would make me lose sleep as well. Americans had the choice between pest and cholera and Trump seemed like the lesser of the two evils to many and for reasons I can understand. Hillary fvcked it all up. She did not have what it takes and her campaign was ineffective. I saw this coming.

Most people are simple. They want simple solutions to complex problems and The Donald had them whereas Hillary was representing the elites that simple people do not understand and do not trust. The same elites that they feel betrayed them.

These elections pretty much remind me of the Brexit disaster. Take back control was the slogan that made people feel strong and powerful again when in fact Brexit means the opposite but looking back at how the Brexiters campaigned, it was much more effective as it appealed to people in simple terms. Make America great again is a better slogan than Stronger Together.

It is all about how you sell yourself but I am pretty happy Brexiters won and Trump did so too. They must deliver now. The NHS has not seen all the millions they were promised yet and will not see them ever.

I want to see the wall Trump promised to build and have Mexicans pay for it. And I want to see how he will successfully isolate the USA in times of globalization, boost the economy and create the jobs. I am also waiting for more populists to govern Europe. People will be hungry soon. History repeats itself. I wish we could avoid it but since every Dick and Harry acts like an expert on politics and economics nowadays, let them deliver.

Mindfulness:


In your mama's face.

LOL, oh well

Donald Trump's win is a reminder of the fact that America still belongs to the WHITE CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY, that's the underlying interpretation. Nothing more, nothing less.

missjo:

LOL, you're taking it too serious.
This isn't about direct support for Donald Trump, but about the "oh a misogynist and racist man who is anti-gay & anti-abortion is now president of the great liberal and developed USA"
IN YOUR FACE
The guys are just deliberately working up a target-group of female posters here, and i'm surprised you're playing into it.

You get it.

The same America most people on here will use as an excuse to ridicule anything African and when I always tell them in most cases America is not much different they go up in arms

If they had told you 2 yrs ago that one country voted a open misogyny racist/tribalist, who bragged about grabbing women by the poosie mocked the disabled, made fun of womens anatomy

At least 80% of people here will swear that can only happen in backward Africa and never in the West aka USA

Mindfulness:


When I tell you that logical reasoning is not your strength, you don't believe me.
I would much rather reject a racist because it affects me than someone who supports gay rights, which does not affect me. Simple!

Your hungry brain cannot comprehend it, can it?

And if your dear friend Donald is such a hero of sexism and anti-feminism, why did he apologize for his sexist remarks and tell the world how much he respects women?

The times where you and your likes could rule over women is over and Trump won't help you. Deal with it.

Gay rights doesn't affect me, but a US government official threatened my country's government with sanctions if we dont grant gays rights as they have in the US? Mindfulness, Mental Health Department is tracing your IP as we speak. By morning, you will be in a padded room.

Look, you cannot grasp the thrust of my argument, you don't seem capable. Nuance is lost on you. Logic is wasted on you. Stop arguing with yourself. I'm saying one thing and you're interpreting it as another. Please, log off before the trace is complete. I would hate for your "perfectly-sized" batty to end up in an asylum.

missjo:

LOL, oh well

You take it too seriously.

For me, it is not even about Hillary or Donald. They were the candidates of American people. I am not even an illegal immigrant there. I am located elsewhere and I vote there. The American people have made their choice and even though a majority voted for Hillary, with the winner takes it all principle he has won the electorate vote. Like I told you on some other thread, do not lump everyone together because they happen to be from the same place.

However, I find it disturbing that Black people will actually celebrate him after all. And me taking it seriously is a mistake, you are right. I should not have quoted dvmbness in the first place. It was a mistake, killed a few of my brain cells, it doesn't mean a thing evetually. I have enough intelligence for all.

missjo:
Donald Trump's win is a reminder of the fact that America still belongs to the WHITE CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY, that's the underlying interpretation. Nothing more, nothing less.

And people like to say this and label this demographic racist, yet Obama had two terms with this demographic in existence. They either voted for him or he rigged it or all the black and minority vote was cast for Obama twice.

Timbuktuo:


Gay rights doesn't affect me, but a US government official threatened my country's government with sanctions if we dont grant gays rights as they have in the US? Mindfulness, Mental Health Department is tracing your IP as we speak. By morning, you will be in a padded room.

Look, you cannot grasp the thrust of my argument, you don't seem capable. Nuance is lost on you. Logic is wasted on you. Stop arguing with yourself. I'm saying one thing and you're interpreting it as another. Please, log off before the trace is complete. I would hate for your "perfectly-sized" batty to end up in an asylum.

Your government is a joke, the US government should be the least of your concerns.

Talking about mental asylum, they are better equipped and maintained here than the house you live in so you better mind your own business.

By the way, there are millions of Melanias out there. Get rich or die wa.nking.

Let's not forget that CNN hushed the fact that Hillary Clinton got questions to be asked in the presidential debates before the Debates occurred . And she still didn't answer the questions satisfactorily. What a cheating, crooked dullard .

I can only imagine what the media would have done if it had been Trump caught using "expo". . Why is nobody mentioning Donna Brazile?

Mindfulness:


Your government is a joke, the US government should be the least of your concerns.

Talking about mental asylum, they are better equipped and maintained here than the house you live in so you better mind your own business.

By the way, there are millions of Melanias out there. Get rich or die wa.nking.

When there is a thread about Nigerian government, I will ne more than happy to discuss that with you. For now, let's stick to topic shall we?

Ooh, small batty is getting testy. Ok, keep it cool, darling.

carammel:


This means that women only show they love their fellow women outwardly but deep within them,they would never support a woman to become a leader.

Modern-feminism will have a hard time staying.

Modern feminism will never stay.

America women have proven this,African women shouldn't trust them.

raumdeuter:


You get it.

The same America most people on here will use as an excuse to ridicule anything African and when I always tell them in most cases America is not much different they go up in arms

If they had told you 2 yrs ago that one country voted a open misogyny racist/tribalist, who bragged about grabbing women by the poosie mocked the disabled, made fun of womens anatomy

At least 80% of people here will swear that can only happen in backward Africa and never in the West aka USA

I would never have believed it even if an Angel came to tell me, so yea I get it.

Also I see your comments around foreign affairs section where I occasionally chat with some guys,so I know you didn't support Donald Trump in this election even though you are Republican.

cococandy:
What do you have against Hillary?

1. She should have known better. She does not have what it takes to win an election and that is charisma. She helped someone like Trump win.With a better candidate, Trump would not have won.
2. She is out of touch with ordinary people. I know you will say so is Trump but Trump uses the language of an elementary school student and so evokes the impression that he is one of the them unlike Hillary who is considered to be part of the elites who betrayed the people by not living up to the promises they made.
3. Hillary pulled a stunt on Saunders. His voters have not forgiven her.
4. Hillary was involved in some shady business. Even though there is no proof of that, people suspect her.
5. Hillary's take on Russia is dangerous.
6. Hillary does not have a well thought out strategy for the Middle East.
7. Hillary made scandalous headlines and so did her husband.
8. Her husband's policies were where the financial crisis actually started with the deregulation of the financial sector. And even if we say that she cannot be held accountable for what her husband did, she will be associated with him.
9. She has promised to increase taxes for the rich when the bosses of Silicon Valley have been sponsoring her campaign. Who are you kidding?
10. She voted for the Iraq War and we all know what it led to. We struggle with the consequences today.

I could go on and on.

What was she even thinking when she decided to run for the presidency?

Timbuktuo:


When there is a thread about Nigerian government, I will ne more than happy to discuss that with you. For now, let's stick to topic shall we?

Ooh, small batty is getting testy. Ok, keep it cool, darling.

I am cool.

Peace!

missjo:
I would never have believed it even if an Angel came to tell me, so yea I get it.

Also I see your comments around foreign affairs section where I occasionally chat with some guys,so I know you didn't support Donald Trump in this election even though you are Republican.

Okay then you understand

Mindfulness:

I am cool.
Peace!

Shalom.

Mindfulness:

I am cool.
Peace!

Shalom.

Timbuktuo:


And people like to say this and label this demographic racist, yet Obama had two terms with this demographic in existence. They either voted for him or he rigged it or all the black and minority vote was cast for Obama twice.

There was a surge in voter turnout this time among certain demographics (can't remember the specifics),so this might also explain it.

There's also the fact that Obama won the presidency at a time when political correctness was at its peak, most people didn't want to be seen as racist by not supporting Obama back in 08. Among this group, majority of those who came out voted for him while those who just didn't want to vote for him preferred to sit back at home.

This time, the Democrat was someone who has been in government for a very long time. Sitting back at home wasn't an option anymore, it's either you vote for Trump to make sure Hillary didn't stay in government like it was her family property or vote to make sure she wins and continue an Obama Third term.
Now guess which of those two options would be easier for that group of people who stayed back at home in 08 to avoid being seen as racist.

missjo:

There was a surge in voter turnout this time among certain demographics (can't remember the specifics),so this might also explain it.

There's also the fact that Obama won the presidency at a time when political correctness was at its peak, most people didn't want to be seen as racist by not supporting Obama back in 08. Among this group, majority of those who came out voted for him while those who just didn't want to vote for him preferred to sit back at home.

This time, the Democrat was someone who has been in government for a very long time. Sitting back at home wasn't an option anymore, it's either you vote for Trump to make sure Hillary didn't stay in government like it was her family property or vote to make sure she wins and continue an Obama Third term.
Now guess which of those two options would be easier for that group of people who stayed back at home in 08 to avoid being seen as racist.

You do have a good point. I hear there are some Republicans who still doubt Obama was born in the US till this day. . So, maybe they were like "thank God, the Kenyan can leave now. We certainly aren't letting his nanny in."

I'm rooting for Trump to come good for his own sake. God knows I'm not ready for a nuclear war right now. Clinton made it soooo easy for him to win.

So, if I may ask, who did you vote? Of course, you're under no obligation to answer.

No matter how cheeky you are, so long as what you offer for sales is direly needed, people won't entirely mind. The truth is more attractive than diplomacy...no matter how it's serve, let it be the truth. The guy is beyond blunt but Americans sure need to take care of themselves first before others...


I still think Hilary should have won though...

Timbuktuo:


Shalom.

I have just read the following article. If you have the time, read it and share your thoughts, please.

Cc: Raumdeuter, Cococandy, Onegai, Missjo, KillerPriest

Op-Ed Why did Trump win? The economy, stupid
by Brad Schiller

Pundits and political scientists will be trying to explain Donald Trump's upset victory for weeks, maybe months. Why were the polls predicting a Hillary Clinton landslide so wrong? Didn't she win the debates? Was it the emails that buried Clinton? Was the trust factor the decisive factor? Did FBI Director James Comey cast the deciding vote? Did the pundits underestimate the ferocity of anti-immigration sentiment? Or the widespread yearning for sweeping Washington clean of all those corrupt and self-dealing politicians — the real change that Trump repeatedly promised?

Economists aren't suffering from this post-election confusion. They are in the enviable position of saying "I told you so." Not necessarily because they wanted Trump to win — or even voted for him — but because they base their predictions on economic variables. And those variables were indicating a Trump victory long before the first ballots were cast.

The basic premise of economic modeling for election outcomes is that people vote their pocketbooks. Or, as Bill Clinton put it: "It's the economy, stupid" (which may not sound terribly reassuring to his wife). If the economy has been good, people don't seek out change; they are content with the party in power. On the other hand, if the economy isn't delivering the growth and jobs that people expect, they want a change in leadership — a different party in the White House.

Unfortunately for Clinton, the Obama administration was able to deliver only six quarters of good news out of the 31 that it has presided over.

From this perspective, it doesn't really matter who the candidate of either party is — much less their gaffes or their crude language or their bankruptcies or their reputed dealings with Vladimir Putin’s Russia. All that matters is whether voters want a change or not. And that depends on how well the economy has been performing under the outgoing administration; in this case, the Obama administration.

For the last, agonizing six months, the airwaves and newspapers have been filled with political prognoses. Every commentator claimed special insight into how voters would cast their ballots and why. Most of them were wrong, of course. And according to economic theory, completely irrelevant. None of the political factors the pundits cited ad nauseum even enter the best economic models.

The most famous model was constructed by Yale economist Ray Fair, who argues that people's sense of how well the economy is performing depends on two key variables: GDP growth and inflation.

If GDP growth is robust, job creation will keep up with the population and workers will be happy. If inflation is restrained, consumers will be happy. So a combination of robust growth and restrained inflation will make voters feel happy about the economy. Happy voters will vote for the incumbent party — and vice versa.

Simply put, Clinton lost because the economy under President Obama did not perform well enough to meet Fair’s thresholds of happiness. Economic growth was anemic for nearly all of the last eight years. As a result, job creation lagged far behind the records set during other post-recession recoveries.

In the Fair model, GDP growth in the three calendar quarters prior to the election is critical: That’s when voters are especially attuned to how the economy is performing. And on that count, Clinton lost a lot of votes; GDP growth was a paltry 0.8 % in the first quarter of this year, 1.4 % in the second and 2.9 % in the third. This sluggish growth hardly inspired confidence in the economic policies of an Obama/Clinton team, and it seems Clinton couldn’t talk her way out of this performance.

The Fair model, furthermore, says that “good news” quarters are particularly important to the incumbent party. Every calendar quarter in which GDP growth exceeds the long-term average of 3.2% yields a popular vote advantage of .873 %. That’s significant in presidential elections that are typically won by only a few percentage points. Unfortunately for Clinton, the Obama administration was able to deliver only six quarters of good news out of the 31 that it has presided over. A couple of more robust growth quarters could have swung the election to the Democrats.

The inflation record was benign. Every percentage point of inflation over the preceding 15 calendar quarters is a negative for the incumbent party. Except for a brief spike in 2011, the inflation rate has stayed well below the Federal Reserve’s target of 2%. So voters didn’t turn away from Clinton because of rising prices. It was only GDP growth that did her in.

Fair predicted a Republican victory back in May in this very newspaper. All he needed were a few, readily available statistics on the economy’s performance over the past four years.

Needless to say, Fair’s model has been more accurate than any political prognosticating, an irony that will drive political scientists and pundits crazy. The same people who got the election all wrong will spend the next few months spinning away their failures. But the truth is simple: The state of the economy was Trump’s ace in the hole.

Brad Schiller is an emeritus professor of economics at American University and author of “The Economy Today.”

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-schiller-trump-victory-economy-20161109-story.html

Any black man celebrating Trump's victory because of his own hate for women is just a pathetic creature.

I've seen some of them on facebook. Out of touch bruvs. Trump really loves your black arse.
That's why he spent all his political campaign blasting obama.

Mindfulness, I have read that analysis before.

Sure, the economic malaise which matted Obama's regime also contributed in setting the people against the Democratic party, and seeing that Hilary's economic policies were not clearly stated, Trump who was touted as the poster-boy for change and who appealed to what the people wanted to hear, ousted Hilary in that regard.

The people craved for change and were tired of the Democrats, just as I am tired of discussing this whole Hillary-Trump brouhaha. That water's already under the bridge. Life moves on.

Mindfulness, your last post is what I've been trying to say. What the average voter saw in Trump is the hope of something different, not necessarily mind you. Clinton was clearly more of the same, and that impression was seared in people's minds when the contents of her speech to her Wall Street cronies got leaked. She effectively promised corporate America to continue the policies that benefited them but screwed over the average American, and she got good money to make these speeches, hundreds of them I think. Got paid as much as $250k. Meanwhile, she was telling the average American a different thing.

Now, when these speeches got wiki leaked and was called on to explain herself, she gave the excuse of having a public opinion and a private opinion. Of course, people gave her the side eye. The begging question was "who is she lying to, and who is she being truthful to?" The more information about her relationship with globalists that leaked, the further down her credibility went.

So, like I said, the media did Hillary and the world a great disservice by focussing on the 'irrelevancies' of Trump, as it were, they did not give Hillary nearly the same scrutiny and condemnation as thy did Trump. I mean, they literally campaigned free for Trump, he didn't need to spend as much as Hilary did. Dude, was lucky. The medua figured the more they condemned him, the less likely he would win, a wrong gambit. It turns out any publicity was good publicity for Trump. This also made Trump work on himself, by the day of elections Trump was a far cry from his pre-nominee self. He spoke shorter and to the point and said less damaging stuff.

I came across a comment in the Foreign Affairs section talking about filmmaker Michael Moore's research and resulting documentary on my Trump would win. Dude was hysterical and he was able to capture quite a bit of the reason for a Trump victory. So, while the media was talking about genital grabbing for days on end, Trump was forging ahead with what was important for him.

This is the Michael Moore video from YouTube, Mindfulness and co:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc

So, you may call them whatever derogatory label your liberal mind can conjure, but this man gets close to explaining why Trump voters voted for him, but which the media would not tell you. Not that they knew or bothered to find out anyway.

Trump told White uneducated people: "I am going to bring your jobs back and stop these nonsense Latinos taking work from you. Also muslims and Black Lives Matter because a lot of you are police families and you feel under attack."

He told White Educated people: "I am going to deport Nigerians and Indians taking your jobs and stop these Muslim attacks. I will also reduce healthcare coverage because you are now paying more for it since more poor people joined for free or for cheap. I will also end Black Lives Matter because they are using it to make you feel guilty for being White"

He told White Christians: "Enough with this Gay rights and transgender nonsense, I am also going to overturn Abortion".

He told rich White people: "I am going to cut taxes for you."

Trump won all their votes. Call it Identity Politics, in Nigeria we call it Tribal Politics and everyone plays it (how GEJ remembered his middle name was "Eberechukwu" when he was up for re-election, how Buhari promised to Northerners to expand Sharia Law, Oba of Lagos Island and his "Go to the Lagoon speech if you don't vote my guy", Igbo people and whomever promises them Biafra, the list goes on).

So many of them voted for him and admitted that he didn't have the temperament to be President but they just wanted to give a big "F-you" to the coastal cities and the elites. In 2 years' time when the Repubs can't deliver (and they cannot, their economic and healthcare plan doesn't favour poor people), they will vote them out during midterms. Same thing they did to Obama. The problem is all the damage he and the Republicans would have done in that time (limiting press freedom, privatising Medicaid and messing up Universal Healthcare, driving up debt, maybe being foolish enough to get into a trade war with China, Canada and Mexico, most definitely allowing Russia push its expansionist agenda and hold Europe to ransom, giving North Korea balls to threaten South Korea with nuclear warfare, pissing off enough Western-born muslims into radicalising and reinvigorating ISIS same as UKIP did, the good thing is that they will stay away from Syria and Assad).

Timbuktuo:


You do have a good point. I hear there are some Republicans who still doubt Obama was born in the US till this day. . So, maybe they were like "thank God, the Kenyan can leave now. We certainly aren't letting his nanny in."

I'm rooting for Trump to come good for his own sake. God knows I'm not ready for a nuclear war right now. Clinton made it soooo easy for him to win.

So, if I may ask, who did you vote? Of course, you're under no obligation to answer.

Even when I'm in the US,I don't yet have the right to vote just like a lot of visitors/temporary residents/immigrants.
Take a survey to determine how many African migrants living in the US have acquired the right to vote, dont let all that "I live in the USA" decieve you.

Timbuktuo:

So, like I said, the media did Hillary and the world a great disservice by focussing on the 'irrelevancies' of Trump, as it were, they did not give Hillary nearly the same scrutiny and condemnation as thy did Trump. I mean, they literally campaigned free for Trump, he didn't need to spend as much as Hilary did. Dude, was lucky. The medua figured the more they condemned him, the less likely he would win, a wrong gambit. It turns out any publicity was good publicity for Trump. This also made Trump work on himself, by the day of elections Trump was a far cry from his pre-nominee self. He spoke shorter and to the point and said less damaging stuff.

That has always been one of his working principles when dealing with the media. He actually made this statement "Any kind of publicity is good publicity for me, as long as they keep talking about me and my buildings", back in the 70s when he was having problems with his real estate in New York and also after buying the Taj Mahal and running into debt in the millions as well as numerous labour disputes.

The media was all over those incidents and never said anything good, meanwhile Trump and his then socialite wife kept appearing in expensive public gatherings wearing expensive clothes much to the chagrin of the media. I'm sure he was like "you want to talk? Well here is another thing to talk about for the next one week"

And then everytime he went back to the banks and big corporations to get loans or woo financiers, they would still give him money because he was popular. It got to the point other real estate developers would seek his permission and then have the TRUMP name put up on their own buildings just so they can increase the rent. LOL

That there is a relationship between a Donald Trump Presidency, Brexit and Biafra ( at least according to 'pundits' on FB )