FriendChoice:

lexiconkabir:


Stop going to al-islam.org its a site operated by Ithna ash'ari(twelvers) Shias

FriendChoice:


I used to be polite but not anymore, they have taken me to the zenith. I engage in debate with them and even Christians. After you spend all your time to explain and show them verse they simply continue to deviate and insult you with words like extremist, wahabi ect, simple you point the truth. I now understand their language, they prefer harsh words since Verses Cannot explain their needs. The answer to his questions is a very simple one but answering it is worthless.

AideeSheks:

Asalam alaykum brother.
I'm not anyway in support of talk2hb1 and I do not have any disagreement with your initial post but I don't think you justifying your change of approach is acceptable. I know it's quite frustrating trying to show people the truth only to end up getting insulted and mocked but that should never deter us. Of course these things are bound to happen. Conveying the message of the deen was never meant to be easy and straightforward. There is no need whatsoever for adding insults when trying to pass a point. I implore you to please take caution when it comes to this.

"Not equal are the good deed and the bad deed. Repel evil by that which is better, and then the one who is hostile to you will become as a devoted friend. But none is granted it except those who are patient and none is granted it except one having a great fortune".
Surah Fussilat 41:34-35.

Looking at the example of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (SallAllahu Alayhim Wasalam) and how once he paid a visit to Taif seeking to preach to the people the message of Islam but got humiliated and mocked at the end. Yet, he persevered and and even showed compassion when there was the opportunity of punishing them.

I might still be relatively new here on nairaland but I still think we as Muslims need to uphold certain etiquettes during our interaction with others who hold contrary views. Never should we descend to their level.

FriendChoice:


Never again. Understand. Give me site for tafsir/ commentary of the Qur'an.

lexiconkabir:


Try qtafsir.com but I'll advice you use the hard copy(that is in original arabic since you understand the language), try Adwaa’ al-Bayaan by Muhammad ash-Shinqeeti, This is a comprehensive book covering hadeeth, fiqh, tafseer and usoolul fiqh.

You can also try Tayseer al-Kareem ar-Rahmaan fi Tafseer Kalaam al-Mannaan by Shaykh Abdur-Rahmaan as-Sa’di. Its a trustworthy book..

Ibn katheer's tafseerul Quranul 'Azeem is another good book..

DO NOT TRY TAFSEER AL-JALALAYN, BECAUSE OF AQEEDAH ISSUES.

FriendChoice:



Thank You Jazakallahu Khairan.

talk2hb1:
Jazakum llahu khaira @AideeS.heks if my Muslim brother (@Friend.Choice ) could use all those words against another Muslim, wondering is portrayal of Islam to non Muslim

lexiconkabir:


what exactly were you trying to drive at?

talk2hb1:

Nothing! Every creation of Allah does deserve a form of respect at every point in time, Because in everything their is Allah. There is nothing but Allah!

talk2hb1:
Jazakum llahu khaira @AideeSheks if my Muslim brother (@FriendChoice ) could use all those words against another Muslim, wondering is portrayal of Islam to non Muslim

lexiconkabir:


I don't think you understand my question, but I've gone through the whole thread and I've seen your actual question which i believe the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah should've cleared it, however Allaah is not in everything, saying Allaah is in everything, you are saying Allaah is in dogs, in your poo, in blood, etc A'udhubillaah!
الرَّحْمَٰنُ عَلَى الْعَرْشِ اسْتَوَىٰ

Ar-Rahmaan(Allaah) is above the Throne established.

lexiconkabir:


I don't think you understand my question, but I've gone through the whole thread and I've seen your actual question which i believe the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah should've cleared it, however Allaah is not in everything, saying Allaah is in everything, you are saying Allaah is in dogs, in your poo, in blood, etc A'udhubillaah!
الرَّحْمَٰنُ عَلَى الْعَرْشِ اسْتَوَىٰ

Ar-Rahmaan(Allaah) is above the Throne established.

talk2hb1:

Allah is everything, because without Allah there are nothing!

FriendChoice:


They believe Allah is everywhere. I don't know whether its from dream inspiration/ revelation their Sufi get it or not. Oho

lexiconkabir:

Thats a very dangerous belief brother, i just asked you, is Allaah in blood and your poo?

talk2hb1:

How can you proof their is any blood, poo, yourself, or anything?
If you can proof the existence of all those things then you can understand my statement.

lexiconkabir:


I see that as intellectual dishonesty and running from a question, a question should be answered not followed up by another question to the questioner.

This is confusion and it takes one to pantheism(i.e Allaah is everything and everything is Allaah) Allaah is separate from his creation, he created time and space, so does it make sense to say he is confined within that time and space which he created? yani you are saying he is limited by time and space like his creations (since to you All his creation has Allaah therein). Allaah is not in everything, rather he is separate from his creation.

talk2hb1:


Why did you believe in Allah in the first place (This might sound like I don't believe in Allah)
I'm not shying away from your Question, just directing you to my answer with those questions, importantly their is no part of the Quran that condemn we thinking about Allah and is existence.

lexiconkabir:


just define your position and pls stop returning my question with question.

every Muslim believe in Allaah because of his aayaat(signs).

talk2hb1:

Those are fact, not evidence. The Evidence lies with Sufi
If you are a Sufi you will have the Evidence, and you will stop dwelling on facts

talk2hb1:

I wont reply you, because you already a preset mind about whatever I have to say. You need to be a Sufi before you understand anything about sufi, and before you can attain to be a Sufi, you must be open minded.

lexiconkabir:

so sufis have hidden knowledge? pls tell me more.

talk2hb1:

First you need to understand what Sufi is all about, but in a nutshell Sufi is seeking Allah through Allah
What that simply mean is the moment you start thinking about: Allah, what is Allah?, How is Allah? you are thinking inline with Sufism. It was the same thought that ran through prophet Ibrahim Alaisalamu-lai, when he was asking where is Allah? is he in the moon, in the sun, etc. Prophet Musa when he was on Mountain Tuwa, even Jesus (Which was reported that he fasted for forty days and forty night in the Bible, he actually withdrew from the public to find GOD) and finally to the Prophet Muhammad Sallalau Alai Wasalam when we went visiting cave of Hira to meditate. That's all I can say for now on the topic but their are lots of books on Sufi and Sufism. To cap it all, Sufism is not a Sect in Islam it is part of Islam
because it is all in the framework of Islam! if there is anything practice in Sufi which is not inline with Islam should be presented please.
Sanjuma

lexiconkabir:



so where is the hidden knowledg?!

talk2hb1:

Hidden Knowledge is acquired, It is never taught by anyone except by Allah alone.

lexiconkabir:


so how many have you acquired...


sorry that my questions are much o.

talk2hb1:

As much as possible

lexiconkabir:

Example?

What will you say if I say we all deserve whatever happens to us

talk2hb1:

What will you say if I say we all deserve whatever happens to us