brocab:
If Dolhinheart believes in the bible fully-then explain why he doesn't believe in {John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word God.

solite3:
Jesus didnt come to reveal himself as Almighty God his mission was to come as a servant do his fathers will.
Jesus took upon him the nature of a servant.

solite3:
I never said Jesus supported their thinking stop trying to twist my words read and comprehend the pharisees understood what Jesus was saying and Jesus supported their thinking in regards to his words of being equal with God but they couldnt accept it.

dolphinheart:


good to note that you agreed that Satan is called theos

solite3:
Jesus,Thomas and John are all one and told the truth. so, you cant choose which is most accurate.
There is nothing like most accurate truth. Truth is truth and lie is lie.

dolphinheart:


good to note that you and your brother don't share the same belief !

brocab:
Since you are into scripture-Please answer these few Questions I give you, starting with {Matthew 18;11} For the Son of Man has come to save, which was lost.
{1 John 5:13} These things I have written to you, who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continual to believe in the name of the Son of God.
Please explain this one why the JW's had twisted this verse?{1 John 5:7} For their are three that bear record in Heaven-The Father the Word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are ONE
Instead the JW's had changed it from the truth, and said this in {1 John 5:7} 'For there are three witness bearers.
Maybe you should be searching for other manuscripts-instead of trying to work out what is left written in your bible, from your own mind-and try using your heart.
You have many scriptures twisted or removed from your own NWT Bible, what is left to read, you haven't the slightest idea to even come close in understanding the Word Of God.
And you are asking Dolphinheart to explain His word to you-What a joke-None of you JW's know any of the truth..

[quote author=dolphinheart post=51323983]
(learn how to quote)
no need to go round , the scriptures:
1. never said or thought us that jesus is jehovah, in fact, jehovah prophesied about jesus as his servant. jehovah did not send himself or did he?, I'd jehovah the servant of jehovah?

2.never at any point said that jesus is the almighty God, the one who is the almighty God is jehovah, he called jesus his servant, his son, his only begotten SON!

3. never ever said that jesus and the father are one God almighty, in fact no verse would you find where it is said that jesus and the father are one God, jesus identified the father as our God, the only true God, the disciples identified the father as the one God , the scriptures identified the father as the God of jesus and our God

lion:
you fight reality cus it does not support your theory.
1. If a lion has a son, it automatically means we have two lions, not one lion. This throws out your trinity doctrine cus it says one God, not two God's. Therefore you can't use the theory of lion and his son to support trinity.

2. This lions are fully lions and are separate entities , even though they are both lions. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME LION!

3. when referring to the father lion and son lion together, you call the lions and not lion, these also throws out the trinity doctrine.

4. The father lion and his son have different minds, structure makeup, expedience e.t.c.
Even though they are both lions , they do not wake and eat at the same time, neither do they have equal strength even though both are strong!

5. The son of a lion can have all the abilities of a lion, but it does not have the same ability as it's father!
in the case of jess, he has told you where all his power, abilities and training come from , it comes from his father, GOD.
Jesus is the son of God, he is a god, just like the son of lion is a lion, jesus is not the same person as the God he is a son of, just as the lions son is not the same lion with the lion it is a son of!

johnw74:


Such a lie lie, It was God, it was the almighty, it was Jesus talking, John turned to see who it was talking to Him
and he saw one like "the son of man"

Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Oh lying one, I copied and pasted the verse from the KJV

Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

but false jw, lying is what you do, always

again, truly I copied and pasted from the KJV OH false accuser,
fancy false jw saying a Bible is adulterated when they, false jw, have removed "God" from John 1:1 and added "a god" in their adulterated book

Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 

the Lake of Fire awaits all antichrists, twisters-changers of God's word.
Wherever the Bible shows that the Word-Jesus Christ is God, false lie lie jw change it.

duh, how can one be so d--b

God gave revelation to Jesus, Jesus through His Angel gave it to John
Jesus gave revelation to John, it is Jesus talking to John and the Churches, not Father
when John turnerd to see who was speaking to Him
he saw "one like the Son of man"

all you do lie lie dolphinheart is lie and twist what the scriptures say

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

You lie lie dolphinheart do a very bad job of twisting and rejecting the Truth, and you believe your own lies

The scriptures clearly show that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega:

Jesus says "I am Alpha and Omega" and John adds "the Almighty"

Jesus is speaking to John and the Churches, not Father:
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty

Previous verse John is talking of Jesus, "He was pierced":
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Jesus is speaking to John and the Churches, not Father:
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

John turned and looked to see who was talking to Him:
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Again, Jesus is speaking to John and the Churches, not Father:
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

God gave Jesus the revelation, Jesus through His Angel gave it to John

It is Jesus talking to John, It is Jesus talking to the Churches, John saw "one like the son of man" talking

verse 14 "Blessed are they that do his(Father's) commandments,"
"his", Jesus is talking of the Father

Jesus said: "I am the Alpha and Omega" John added "the Almighty"

brocab:
It is only a wonderful response to you-only because you have not been taught the Truth.
Ask your teacher-Dolhinheart why the JW's had twisted or removed so many scriptures from the Word Of God, ask Dolphinheart why the Watchtower wanted people like you, never to find the truth about God.
Now that, I could say will be a good response..

brocab:
If Dolhinheart believes in the bible fully-then explain why he doesn't believe in {John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word God.

brocab:
No, it's not the question I asked-is Jehovah God's name?

dolphinheart:


You have deliberately removed parts of my post so as to try and hide the truth, you are good at removing scriptures from ones post cus it exposes you.
read rev 1: 1-6
If you had read those verses, you would have known that is was not Jesus that was talking in Rev 1: 8, it was God the almighty, who gave Jesus the revelation.

[b]2. You have added words to the verse rev 1: 8 reads : 
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 


American Standard Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

English Revised Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b]

The translations of Rev 1:8 above shows their is a big difference between those translations and the KJV. This difference is what johnw74 is trying to hide by removing those translations when quoting me!. One cannot(after looking at those differences) deny the fact that a translation has twisted the original words of John. The question now is, which one of the translations has done so.
scholars had found the twister to be the KJV , it has been seen that the oldest and most reliable manuscripts does not contain the words added in the KJV, and that the KJV itself cannot defend it's source of those words.
If I ask that Johnw74 should defend the KJV and show how those words are in the manuscripts, he might not do so, I'll keep my fingers crossed.


I know you copied from the KJV, but where did the KJV get those words that are not present in most other translations from?



Again you removed the scriptures I quoted to you, probably because they are true and its hurting you, hence you had to remove them when quoting my post.

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

New American Standard Bible 
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."
Those who use those translations should note what he said!

YOu made an accusation, saying that the word "God" was removed and replaced with "a god" in John 1:1, Is this true or just another one of your false accusations ? Let's see.

The word in contention in that verse is "theos" , now let's how the word is being translated.
let's look at strongs concordance
Strong's Concordance

theos: God, a god

Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Short Definition: God, a god
Definition: (a) God, (b) a god,[/u]generally.
LOOK AT THE UNDERLINED AND TELL US IF "THEOS" CANNOT BE TRANSLATED AS "A GOD"

LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER
NAS Exhaustive Concordance

Word Origin
of uncertain origin
Definition
God, [u]a god
NOW PLS EXPLAIN HOW YOU BECAME MORE KNOWLEGEAGLE THAN THE SOURCES PROVIDED ABOVE.

I'm very sure you don't study, the Greek word "theos" is present in luke 20: 28, see the Greek text below(the Greek word for "theos" has been coloured in red)
Greek Text
Θεὸς δὲ οὐκ ἔστιν νεκρῶν ἀλλὰ ζώντων· πάντες γὰρ αὐτῷ ζῶσιν.

Now let's see the KJV translation of luke 20:28
King James Bible
For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
JOHNW74, IT IS NOW LEFT FOR YOU TO TELL IF THE KJV REMOVED "God" AND REPLACED IT WITH "A God", CUSU IT'S THE SAME WORD "THEOS" THAT WAS TRANSLATED!

The scholars have proven your accusations to be false, it's now left to you to proof how the KJV translation of rev 1:8 and rev 1:11 is not false!


part you removed: "Good, can you see that The son of man in the midst of the lampstand is different from the ancient of days who sits on the throne of God"
You cannot go against the above statement.

look at you own words again , " God gave revelation to jesus" , You could open your mouth and say such and yet you could believe that Jesus is God, the same God that gave Jesus the revelation, haba!
Is Jesus the God who gave Jesus the revelation? no! and the scriptures did not teach us so!
If Jesus could not be the angels or John who he gave the revelation to , I wonder how Jesus could now be God who gave the revelation to him!, God did not give himself the revelation or did he? PLS answer!

The questions where asked in a numbered format, but you know that answering the questions in the format it was asked will expose you.
1 who gave Jesus the revelation
2. did Jesus give himself the revelation
3. who did John call the one who gave Jesus the revelation.


I've asked you to provide just one instance of such lie, you refused.


false , it was God, the amighty, the one who is ,who was and who is to come that was speaking in rev 1:8, go and read rev 1:1-6 and understand better.



it was not Jesus speaking
this is why rev 1: 8 says :
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 


American Standard Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.


Good,Did you read the prophecies about jehovahs servant who will be pieced, that prophecy was about Jesus, who God exalted to his right side!


haha! you deliberately jumped the verse after verse 8, cus it was not Jesus that was talking abi, bet if it was Jesus that was talking in the next verse, you would have used it!, you have quickly forgotten how many personalities John said the greetings where from, go and read verses 1- 6 and understand better., your refusal to read those verses is affecting you.


John turned to see who was talking after God has talked and John himself had talked.
John when identifying who was talking did not call him God almighty, and surely not the ancient of days who the son of man approached I Daniels prophecy.
moreover Jesus was not sitting on the throne of God which God sits!


Go and read the scriptures and know who was talking in each verse!, Jesus called himself the root of David, have you forgotten what jehovahs said about the root of David? The root of David is not jehovah!
Jesus also told you he is the bright morning star!, did you not read job chapter 38, expecially verse 7? how can you now call Jesus jehovah?


are you now saying that Jesus is the only one that talked to John? PLS answer o!

what rev 22:14 really says :
New International Version
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

English Standard Version
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.

New American Standard Bible 
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates. 

International Standard Version
"How blessed are those who wash their robes so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city! 

NET Bible
Blessed are those who wash their robes so they can have access to the tree of life and can enter into the city by the gates.

American Standard Version
Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.

Darby Bible Translation
Blessed [are] they that wash their robes, that they may have right to the tree of life, and that they should go in by the gates into the city.

English Revised Version
Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.[/b]

brocab:
Was completely removed {Matthew 17:21, 18:11, 23:14, Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 16:9-20 all were removed, Luke 1:28, 17:36,23:17, John 5:4, John 7:53, 8:11, Acts 8:37, 15:34, 24:6-8, 28:19, Romans 16:24, Colossians 1:2, 2:2, An important phase and completely removed and of the Father and of Christ, 1 John 5:13, Revelation 1:11, 2:15, 21:24} {1 John 5:7} Completely removed in the JW bible, saying this, "For there are three witnesses bearers"
Now we will hear it from the real bible.
"For there are three that bear record in heaven "The Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, these three are One.
Yes you and achoriadey do believe in your bible that's written lies and wonders.

achorladey:

Ask him yourself. I am very sure he will give you a reply to your question.

johnw74:


he is In this verse which speaks about you:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

johnw74:


such a girly

unlike you, we do have God given Faith to know that our Lord Jesus Christ is God

dolphinheart:

good , you are learning, so the god(theos) of this world is Satan.

dolphinheart:

Therefore Satan is a "thoes",

dolphinheart:

or Satan is "theos"

dolphinheart:


brothers tend to advise each other in case one sees that the other has gone astray when it comes to certain , as a Christian, it will be good to find out what your brother believes about proverbs 8: 22-30, check if such beliefs are right or wrong and endeavor to correct such ones.

I can bet it with you, that even if I, dolphinheart, beliefs in something or teaches something which is wrong on this thread, someone who is my brother will come on this same thread and correct me with evidence, I will examine such evidence and apologize .
But o.y.o is your case , your brother can believe in something different from yours and you will not respond as long as you both have same common enemy!

your fight is not from the scriptures , for the scriptures teaches that Jesus is the son of God and God is the father of Jesus, they are not same person or same being for Jesus is said to sit at the right hand of God, pleading to God on our behalf.
GOD GOES NOT PLEAD TO HIMSELF , JESUS PLEADS ON OUR BEHALF TO HIS GOD, ALMIGHTY GOD, THE MOST HIGH GOD.

dolphinheart:


brocab, have you ever sat for an exam before, cus the way you answer questions shows you might not have done so.

I said, " give an example", so in line with my question, I'll only examine the first verse you gave, which is Matt 17 :21.

I checked for the verse in a lot of translations and realised that the verse was blank , nothing is written in the verse . such translations include
1. New Century Version (NCV)
2.New International Version (NIV)
3.Contemporary English Version (CEV)
4. New Living Translation
5. English Standard Version
6.NET Bible
7.GOD'S WORD®
8.English Revised Version
I'm such there are a lot more translations that do not have any word written in verse 21.

Below are explanations about that verse.

[b]The verse is not included in the newer Bibles because the older and better manuscripts of Matthew do not include it. The translators of the older Bibles were not as careful in the manuscripts they used. Apparently in the process of copying the manuscripts, someone at a much later date copied the verse from the Gospel of Mark and added it to the Matthew account.



Bart D. Ehrman believes that some of the most known of these verses were not part of the original text of the New Testament. "These scribal additions are often found in late medieval manuscripts of the New Testament, but not in the manuscripts of the earlier centuries," he adds. "And because the King James Bible is based on later manuscripts, such verses became part of the Bible tradition in English-speaking lands."[2] This same sentiment is expressed by Brooke Foss Westcott and Fenton John Anthony Hort.

let's search further

According to The Greek New Testament (4th Edition), edited by Aland, Metzger, et al. (2012), this verse does not appear in the best Greek manuscripts available. In order to save ourselves the tedious task of comparing and contrasting the pros and cons of the variant readings, the late Bruce Metzger has also published the companion volume, which is A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament (2nd Edition, 2012).

On page 35 he writes the following:

17.21 omit verse {A}
Since there is no satisfactory reason why the passage, if originally present in Matthew, should have been omitted in a wide variety of witnesses, and since copyists frequently inserted material derived from another Gospel, it appears that most manuscripts have been assimilated to the parallel in Mk 9.29.

What he is saying, is that the "Editorial Committee" (comprised of the four editors of The Greek New Testament which include Mr. Metzger) had ascribed {A} to their reading, which means that they are "certain" that the verse was not in the autograph.[/b]

So brocab, scholars have said there is no word written in matt 17: 21, that if you find where something is written in matt 17: 21, it's the scribes that put it their and not the author of the book of Matthew!

so that have something written in matt 17: 21, copied from those scribes and not the author of that book, cus the author of that book did not write what the scribes wrote in that verse.

THE CASE IS NOW A CASE OF DELIBERATE INSERTION AND NOT REMOVAL.
If you still feel their is another verse you want to bring forward as evidence, you are free to do so, but I'll handle jus one verse at a time.

dolphinheart:

YES JEHOVAH IS GOD'S NAME, YOUR BIBLE SUPPORTS THIS ANSWER , READ AND QUOTE WHAT YOUR BIBLE SAYS IN PSALMS 83:81 AND TELL US IF I QUOTE IT WRONGLY, IF THIS VERSE DOES NOT TEACH US THAT GOD'S NAME IS JEHOVAH!
king James Version
Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

You want to deny your bible, you refuse to quote what it says in that verse!

dolphinheart:


Stop lying , did I say I did not believe john1:1?, I've even quoted John 1: 1 to you in this thread!

dolphinheart:

(go and learn how to quote)

it is a fact that the scriptures :
1. never said or thought us that Jesus is jehovah, in fact, jehovah prophesied about Jesus as his servant. jehovah did not send himself or did he?, I'd jehovah the servant of jehovah?

2.never at any point said that Jesus is the almighty God, the one who is the almighty God is jehovah, he called Jesus his servant, his son, his only begotten SON!

3. never ever said that Jesus and the father are one God almighty, in fact no verse would you find where it is said that Jesus and the father are one God, Jesus identified the father as our God, the only true God, the disciples identified the father as the one God , the scriptures identified the father as the God of Jesus and our God

you refuse to exit that post of yours so that I can reply you, well you have a right to refuse to do it, ill only be replying what I see when I quote you. Let me as you, is Satan a god of these world? The word used in that verse is "thoes" .

you have abandoned your "lion and son analogy after seing it does not help your cause.
You picked a new one which makes it worse, cus you are implying that all sons of God are God.

achorladey:

You have repeated the statement again 'supported their thinking'. Do the pharisee believe Jesus was equal to God. (Yes/No) What understanding do the pharisee have about Jesus? Maybe I can get you clearly.

dolphinheart:


brothers tend to advise each other in case one sees that the other has gone astray when it comes to certain , as a Christian, it will be good to find out what your brother believes about proverbs 8: 22-30, check if such beliefs are right or wrong and endeavor to correct such ones.

I can bet it with you, that even if I, dolphinheart, beliefs in something or teaches something which is wrong on this thread, someone who is my brother will come on this same thread and correct me with evidence, I will examine such evidence and apologize .
But o.y.o is your case , your brother can believe in something different from yours and you will not respond as long as you both have same common enemy!

your fight is not from the scriptures , for the scriptures teaches that Jesus is the son of God and God is the father of Jesus, they are not same person or same being for Jesus is said to sit at the right hand of God, pleading to God on our behalf.
GOD GOES NOT PLEAD TO HIMSELF , JESUS PLEADS ON OUR BEHALF TO HIS GOD, ALMIGHTY GOD, THE MOST HIGH GOD.

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akintom:


I really find the witnesses interesting and likable folks.

But they send me off on two annoying practices.

* the take delight in murderous act, by rejecting blood transfusion, even at the point of preventable death.

* witness babe will never agree, to date a non witness. Not even when you desire to marry her. She will rather get into menopause, than marry a non witness.

achorladey:

Ask him yourself. I am very sure he will give you a reply to your question.

dolphinheart:


good to note that you and your brother don't share the same belief !

achorladey:
Solite3: Jesus also told them he and his father are one they wanted to stone him because he was clearly saying he is God but Jesus did not deny it neither did he correct them meaning Jesus suported what they were thinking.

A good look at the last line of your statement bothers me a lot. I can't still understand the fact that Jesus will consent to the thinking of the pharisee/Sadducees(religious leaders) of his time that he(Jesus) opposed down till his death with heavy woe as well. Please if a pharisee/Sadducees were to interpret a scriptures to you will you believe him.