Kenyanstar:


What the hell... How has that helped Nigerians in general? There are things that are just pointless in this world and shows lack of priority in the part of your government. 5 satellites and 70% poverty rate in 2016, while in 1960s you had 0 satellites and less than 10% poverty rate. How is that development?
I have been reiterating that Nigerians have just gone out of topic and misled the main intention of this thread. The official intention of the thread was to showcase the basic improvements in provision of healthcare, education, infrastructure and basic requirements that any goverment is meant to provide its citizenry, not whose dick is the longest or shortest.

Kenyanstar:


40b Naira would have built Nigerians better infrastructures, provision of better healthcare systems. But the culture of waste is part of Nigerias goverment.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200811120001.html

Nigeria: Country's N40 Billion Satellite Missing From Orbit

Lagos — THISDAY gathered last night that with the satellite missing from orbit, the huge amount spent by the Nigerian government, about N40 billion may have gone down the drain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7726951.stm

NigComSat's website
The satellite has developed power trouble

A multi-million dollar Nigerian satellite launched in May 2007 has been shut down to prevent it spinning out of control and damaging others in orbit.

Chinese-built NigComSat-1 cost the African oil producer $340m (£228m).

But telecoms experts told the BBC it was a "white elephant in space" and the whole operation was a "debacle".

NigComSat-1 was launched 18 months ago to much fanfare from the government, but it has been mired in controversy ever since.

On Tuesday, controllers shut the satellite down because it was having problems with its power supply, the government announced.

The satellite was meant to provide communications for government agencies and broadband internet.

The satellite was found to have run into a technical hitch for some weeks now, according to a source, when it was discovered that it was using a technological standard that was not meant for Africa but Asia.

GERALD710:

So what you are saying is that the official websites of the Africa Development Bank, Kengen, Kenya Power, ThinkGeoEnergy, the Economist as well as Nigerian newspapers Vaunguard, The Guardian as well as Kenya's main newspapers, the Daily Nation, the Standard and the Business Daily which are the links I have provided are fake
You must be a special case of RE-TARD!!

highheybee:



Wetin wrong with these guys.... except electricity and poverty rate...where do you fair...last u checked your unemployment rate is 35%.... Nigeria win In many categories but you just kept deviating...we all knew the poverty rate...what of your unemployment rate...how has your electricity helped that...you were talking about satellites you were saying something else....you just get mouth but per sector Nigeria will always beat you guys....you are boys and we are men...boy run away from problems by being evasive while real men faces it...face your problems and stop being evasive....

Kenyanstar:


That guy Iblawi is either mentally challenged or immature to uphold any debating conversation without stooping to vulgar responses.
1. Turbines being offloaded at the Mombasa port
2. Construction of the turbines at Turkana wind farm
3. Assembling of the turbines

iblawi:


Everything is fake news from your head to feel happy. For your information our banking sector dwarf your with a wide margin. Same as our ICT with every form of Communications having the presence of Nigerians. You now have communication satellite, the whole of kenya is connected with fiber cable and you now have several have individual laying submarine cables from Lagos to London. Glo 1, main one cable, sat 3 etc.

It must really be painful for you Kenyans but the fact is that we are not mate in any way. The fact that we refuse to post pics for long doesn't mean you are better but we just feel is of no use wasting data on Kenyans.

iblawi:


Yes, I can see it but it only generate 25mw of electricity.

How is 25mw suppose to change your life.

iblawi:


Compare Nigeria and Kenyans know these sectors

Communications


Am sure you will decover you have been a fool all this while. Make sure you do a proper research.

AfroCircus:
Dear forgiveness, nice write-ups, to be frank there are a lot of nigerian MNCs I did not know. But I only posted 1 (the largest) in each sector or 2 where I wasn't sure who's the largest. Doesn't mean they're the ones

Petroleum sector :-

kenolkobil is in 12 countries with just a little less revenue than Oando as at 2014. Write now I think it has more revenue than your giant since oandos revenues shrank yoy for the past 2 years.
-Hashi energy with operations in 5 countries.
- National Oil corporation of Kenya (NOCK), an upstream petroleum Co that's in 3 nations. With entry plans in 4 others (The 2 Sudans, DRC and Tz) at an advanced stage
Your Heyden is not in Russia, UAE and Europe, it only has agreements with refineries there to buy oil at reduced prices and be the market's cheapest option. The same way Hashi has such with Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Kuwait

That to me is a draw

Insurance sector :-

-KenyaRe - this is a real giant with branches in 62 countries across Africa, the middle east and Asia.
-BRITAM is in the 7 countries I named earlier.
-CIC Insurance Group Limited operates mainly in
Kenya, Uganda , South Sudan and Malawi.
-UAP insurance group is in Kenya, Uganda , South Sudan, Rwanda, Tanzania , the Democratic Republic of Congo , and Mauritius
-liberty insurance - they just say all over Africa.

Kenya wins here.

Banking :-

No need to mince words here, Nigeria is the winner

Telecommunications:-
Safaricom is bigger than glo in terms of revenue.
Safaricom's network provisions department is limited to Kenya since a shareholder, vodacom is active in Africa. But it's mobile money department is in eastern Europe, middle east, Asia and Northern, eastern central and Southern Africa (don't know why they haven't gone West)

Kenya wins by a slight (unfair) margin

Beverages

-EABL and Keroche breweries are of course larger than any alcohol maker in Nigeria.
-Highlands Co, initially only dealing with water is now giving coca Cola a scare in the soda business

Until you post more on Naija, kenya wins

[b] food processing [b]

-BIDCO is the largest producer, marketer and retailer of consumer goods in Africa with operations in 16 countries
-pwani oil is one of the world's leaders in vegetable oil, soaps and fats. Has distribution networks in 9 countries

Kenya wins

To be continued...

Kenyanstar:


http://allafrica.com/stories/201506051626.html

Kenya has moved six positions up in this year's ICT Network Readiness Index revealed at this year's World Economic Forum in Cape Town.

Last year, Kenya held the 92nd position and moved up to the 85th position , coming in as the fifth country in Africa after South Africa at position, 75, Morocco at 78, Tunisia at 81 and Rwanda at position 83 globally.

The report showed that big economies in Africa like South Africa and Nigeria fell in rankings and only Kenya showed yearly improvement. For instance South Africa fell from 70 to 75th position this year and Nigeria lost ground to be 119th position from 112 achieved previously.

Kenya's growth has been attributed to the developments that have been witnessed in the country's ICT sector.The Networked Readiness Index (NRI) as well reveals that the almost perfect correlation between a country's level of ICT uptake and the economic and social impacts ICTs have on its economy and society.

Kenyanstar:


http://allafrica.com/stories/201506051626.html

Kenya has moved six positions up in this year's ICT Network Readiness Index revealed at this year's World Economic Forum in Cape Town.

Last year, Kenya held the 92nd position and moved up to the 85th position , coming in as the fifth country in Africa after South Africa at position, 75, Morocco at 78, Tunisia at 81 and Rwanda at position 83 globally.

The report showed that big economies in Africa like South Africa and Nigeria fell in rankings and only Kenya showed yearly improvement. For instance South Africa fell from 70 to 75th position this year and Nigeria lost ground to be 119th position from 112 achieved previously.

Kenya's growth has been attributed to the developments that have been witnessed in the country's ICT sector.The Networked Readiness Index (NRI) as well reveals that the almost perfect correlation between a country's level of ICT uptake and the economic and social impacts ICTs have on its economy and society.

GERALD710:

2500 MW for 45 million people vs 4000MW for 200 million. SMH

iblawi:




Compare Nigeria and Kenyans know these sectors

Education

Make sure you do a proper research.

iblawi:


They don't really have electricity in kenya. Only 75% of their 2000MW is actually generated.

GERALD710:

Kenya is NOT and oil Producer and yet we have an oil MNC. There is a difference between us.
As for Banking.
Kenya's banking is not large.I never said so. It is by far more sophisticated than Nigerian banking.And I am not talking about just mobile banking, we have products that only South Africans offer to their customers. And we do not charge people for having dormant accounts like Nigeria!!
http://www.blog.kpmgafrica.com/spotlight-kenya/
Last I checked Nigeria is the country where ATMs were introduced in the late 80s then backfired and only made a comeback in the early 2000s
http://iisit.org/Vol6/IISITv6p373-393Olatokun631.pdf.
Here on Nairaland, stories of failing ATMs as well as ATMs being bombed by Boko Haram in the North abound.
Failing ATMsNot in Kenya!! Our ATMs have been functioning well since 1983 to the present.
Because Nigeria has no ID system until last year, Nigerian banks were known worldwide for facilitating wire fraud|
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31438226
Kenya has had an ID system since 1932 under the British. Some nonsense has never happened here!!
Comparing Kenyan banking and Nigerian banking is like comparing Chinese banking and Swiss banking.
The former is larger, the latter is by far more sophisticated.
What is the use of being big when you are getting crap services Its like comparing General Motors and Audi!!
As for Insurance. I forgot to add Kenya Reinsurance .
Kenya Reinsurance is the LARGEST reinsurance company on the continent.A Parastatal of the Government of Kenya, it was founded in 1971 and serves over 265 insurances companies in 62 countries across Africa, the Middle East and Asia with over 50 percent of its revenue being generated from foreign markets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Reinsurance_Corporation
So those Nigerian insurance companies you are boasting of, who do they insure themselves with in turn ?? Guess who!!!
Coz Africa Reinsurance which is the second largest, though based in Lagos, is not a Nigerian corporation but has shareholders from 41 African states, Kenya included, as well as from abroad .It also operates in less than 20 countries.
Kenya Reinsurance on the other hand in undisputable that it is not only Kenyan, but Government of Kenya property!!!
When it comes to Technology.
I checked on Glo.Since MTN ,Etisalat and Airtel are not Nigerian
Crap services!! http://guardian.ng/technology/mtn-glo-etisalat-roll-out-poor-4g-lte-services/
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/business-news/211016-nigerias-foremost-regulator-defends-poor-service-quality-mtn-glo-others.html
Meanwhile Safaricom which is 60% owned by Kenyans(Government of Kenya 35% Nairobi Stock exchange 25%) and 40% by Vodafone.
Named best telco in Africa
http://aptantech.com/2016/11/safaricom-declared-african-mobile-operator-of-the-year-at-commsmea-awards/
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/661596/-/view/printVersion/-/11g4r3r/-/index.html
So once again, we are comparing an MNC with crap services to a local company with superior services.
This explains why MNCs from Nigeria never succeed in the COMESA-SADC-EAC zone. They would be crushed by the competition on service provision alone.

As for Banking.
Like I said, ask any Nigerian in Kenya if the GT Bank in Kenya is the same as the Nigerian unit. It is Not!! Nigerians end up opening new accounts when they come here!!!!
KCB Uganda is no different from KCB Kenya, your ATM card will access your account as if it is local.That is not possible with Nigerian banks in Kenya, maybe its bacause of your cash crisis but Nigerians cannot access the same GT/UBA/Ecobank account in Kenya using their ATM.

Kenyanstar:


KENYA
PRIMARY LEVEL
1. Free primary public education to all school going children from classn 1-8
2. Free laptops to all pupils joining public schools
3. Free electricity supply 24/7 to all public schools
3. Free bursary to pupils in private schools from kitties(CDF)
4. Free syllabus text books and exercise books to all pupils

forgiveness:


Hehehehe! This guy keeps pilling up excuses.

I know you are not dull and you can differentiate between MNCs and local champions, btw a global rating and a local rating of GERALD710.

In oil and gas, Nigeria has more than 20 MNCs in oil and gas industry compared with 1 MNCs company in Kenya,sorry.


In banking, do you mean Kenya's banks operations are in the space to have missed this international ratings?

' Kenya(Switzerland banks) that cannot make to 60 in Africa or top global banks in the world.

Why are Kenya's banks not among ratings? I see, na Oluwola rating you dey use.

Until Kenya banks makes global rating, Next.



http://www.relbanks.com/rankings/top-banks-in-africahttp://www.relbanks.com/rankings/top-banks-in-africa


http://dailypost.ng/2015/06/29/first-bank-gtbank-uba-zenith-others-make-top-1000-global-banks-list/


In insurance, since, you presented another heavy weight, I will say be fair. Since, it is a government company then I will also add Africa Reassurance corporation.

Who is the highest share holder in Africa Reassurance corporation, that will decide the owner?

Until den, draw.


In telecommunication, is Safaricom in the league of MNCS
I don't think so.

I cannot find Safaricom on this list, again!?

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/venturesafrica.com/made-in-africa-these-are-the-top-10-most-admired-african-brands/amp/


Hello! We are talking about international ratings here and not one unprofitable analyses.



In technology, does Kenya have something close to MainOne with operations in Africa and Europe?


Interswitch with operations in Nigeria, Uganda and Kenya.

Nigeria won again.

Kenyanstar:


KENYA
PRIMARY LEVEL
1. Free primary public education to all school going children from classn 1-8
2. Free laptops to all pupils joining public schools
3. Free electricity supply 24/7 to all public schools
3. Free bursary to pupils in private schools from kitties(CDF)
4. Free syllabus text books and exercise books to all pupils

3.

iblawi:


Yes, I can see it but it only generate 25mw of electricity.

How is 25mw suppose to change your life.

iblawi:

You don't even know what it means to compare a sector with another. Glo is owned by one man and it only one of the of many of such in the sector. Telecom sector main one, spectranet, Ntel, Galaxy backbone, intercelluar, starcom etc. We have a lot of players in the sector to consider.

Banking sector:

Nigeria have 22 banks and 18 of them are in top 60 in Africa.

Insurance and others do the same.

68816419:


plus Safaricom is not fully owned by Kenyans same goes to any other companies in that Indians, whites, Somalis and Nigeria owned country

GERALD710:

We are not talking of Bank size.What of sophisticationYou will notice that the most sophisticated banks from Switzerland,Luxembourg, Liechtenstein do not appear anywhere dave for a few like UBS and Habib bank AG Zurich .
Kenya has plenty of players in Kenya's telcom sector.
We have 3 main mobile service providers
Safaricom(Kenyan majority owned as 35% by the Government of Kenya and 25% on the NSE)
Airtel(The only fully owned foreign telco)
Telkom Kenya(60% Helios 40% Government of Kenya)
We however have so many other players including Flashcomm, Popote wireless which run on the CDMA network
we have 100 ISPs in Kenya
https://softkenya.com/it/internet-service-providers-in-kenya/
Some are purely corporate, some purely residential,the largest are mixed, some are national ,some only serve specific regions or even only specific towns.

68816419:

Free primary public education to all school going children from classn 1-8--- most countries does that , except that people preffers private schols

Free laptops to all pupils joining public schools. how many students got this scamish laptops and i thought It will only benefit standard one pupils?

Free electricity supply 24/7 to all public schools. like where ?

Free bursary to pupils in private schools from kitties(CDF); because Kenyans is too poor to pay for their own fees, plus, only Indians, whites and politicians can pay for these schools without any help from the government
Free syllabus text books and exercise books to all pupils; keep lying to people

Kenyanstar:


Thats why i said i wonder how you survive without a functioning brain.... You should make use of those links we provide at least to avoid making yourself look idiotic. I wont blame you anyway, most Nigerians see electricity like once in a year like the eclipse of the moon.

http://ltwp.co.ke/

THE PROJECT OVERVIEW

The Lake Turkana Wind Power Project (LTWP) is the single largest private investment in Kenya’s history. The wind farm covers 40,000 acres (162 km²) and is located in Loiyangalani District, Marsabit County.

The Ksh70 billion wind farm aims to provide 310MW of reliable, low cost wind power to Kenya’s national grid, equivalent to approximately 18 per cent of the country’s current installed electricity generating capacity. On completion, the project will comprise 365 wind turbines, each with a capacity of 850 kW, the associated overhead electric grid collection system and a high voltage substation that will be connected to the national grid. The power produced will be bought at a fixed price by Kenya Power (KPLC) over a 20-year period in accordance with the Power Purchase Agreement (PPA) with the latter.

MtuMsuper:

Have you ever lived in Kenya for you to arrogantly debunk those actualities?

AfroCircus:
Dear forgiveness, nice write-ups, to be frank there are a lot of nigerian MNCs I did not know. But I only posted 1 (the largest) in each sector or 2 where I wasn't sure who's the largest. Doesn't mean they're the only ones

Petroleum sector :-

kenolkobil is in 12 countries with just a little less revenue than Oando as at 2014. Write now I think it has more revenue than your giant since oandos revenues shrank yoy for the past 2 years.
-Hashi energy with operations in 5 countries.
- National Oil corporation of Kenya (NOCK), an upstream petroleum Co that's in 3 nations. With entry plans in 4 others (The 2 Sudans, DRC and Tz) at an advanced stage
Your Heyden is not in Russia, UAE and Europe, it only has agreements with refineries there to buy oil at reduced prices and be the market's cheapest option. The same way Hashi has such with Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Kuwait

That to me is a draw

Insurance sector :-

-KenyaRe - this is a real giant with branches in 62 countries across Africa, the middle east and Asia.
-BRITAM is in the 7 countries I named earlier.
-CIC Insurance Group Limited operates mainly in
Kenya, Uganda , South Sudan and Malawi.
-UAP insurance group is in Kenya, Uganda , South Sudan, Rwanda, Tanzania , the Democratic Republic of Congo , and Mauritius
-liberty insurance - they just say all over Africa.

Kenya wins here.

Banking :-

No need to mince words here, Nigeria is the winner

Telecommunications:-
Safaricom is bigger than glo in terms of revenue.
Safaricom's network provisions department is limited to Kenya since a shareholder, vodacom is active in Africa. But it's mobile money department is in eastern Europe, middle east, Asia and Northern, eastern central and Southern Africa (don't know why they haven't gone West)

Kenya wins by a slight (unfair) margin

Beverages

-EABL and Keroche breweries are of course larger than any alcohol maker in Nigeria.
-Highlands Co, initially only dealing with water is now giving coca Cola a scare in the soda business

Until you post more on Naija, kenya wins

[b] food processing [b]

-BIDCO is the largest producer, marketer and retailer of consumer goods in Africa with operations in 16 countries
-pwani oil is one of the world's leaders in vegetable oil, soaps and fats. Has distribution networks in 9 countries

Kenya wins

To be continued...

iblawi:


[size=8pt]Glo he is comparing is owned by just 1 Nigerian. And we have many of different service providers

iblawi:
When am free in the evening I will post more than 30 malls I know of in Abuja, Nigeria and believe me they are not in the same league with what Kenyans have been posting. To me you guys have been posting supermarkets not Malls

Kenyans don't know their mate but I will prove it to them that we are not in the same league even with UN and African development bank support. You will soon know Tea is different from cocoa.

Kenyans don't even know Nigeria own 10% stake in Africa development bank which is higher than that of any country.

forgiveness:


Hehehehe! This guy keeps pilling up excuses.

I know you are not dull and you can differentiate between MNCs and local champions, btw a global rating and a local rating of GERALD710.

In oil and gas, Nigeria has more than 20 MNCs in oil and gas industry compared with 1 MNCs company in Kenya,sorry.


In banking, do you mean Kenya's banks operations are in the space to have missed this international ratings?

' Kenya(Switzerland banks) that cannot make to 60 in Africa or top global banks in the world.

Why are Kenya's banks not among ratings? I see, na Oluwola rating you dey use.

Until Kenya banks makes global rating, Next.



http://www.relbanks.com/rankings/top-banks-in-africahttp://www.relbanks.com/rankings/top-banks-in-africa


http://dailypost.ng/2015/06/29/first-bank-gtbank-uba-zenith-others-make-top-1000-global-banks-list/


In insurance, since, you presented another heavy weight, I will say be fair. Since, it is a government company then I will also add Africa Reassurance corporation.

Who is the highest share holder in Africa Reassurance corporation, that will decide the owner?

Until den, draw.


In telecommunication, is Safaricom in the league of MNCS
I don't think so.

I cannot find Safaricom on this list, again!?

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/venturesafrica.com/made-in-africa-these-are-the-top-10-most-admired-african-brands/amp/


Hello! We are talking about international ratings here and not one unprofitable analyses.



In technology, does Kenya have something close to MainOne with operations in Africa and Europe?

Interswitch with operations in Nigeria, Uganda and Kenya.

Nigeria won again.

LightYagami:


You dont seem not to understand the difference between a mall and a supermarket. We have posted a lot of pictures, from Sarit Centre, Yaya Centre, Garden Estate, Thika Road Mall, Westgate Shopping Mall, Juja City Mall etc and those are not supermarkets my friend. A supermarket is a single unit selling everything but a mall has a supermarket in them plus many other things like spas, and many businesses and services.
You are here complaining about Africa Development Bank and how Nigeria owns 10% of it. But do you have an 8-laned super highway. Are you building SRG(around 3000km of it combined) to link up the whole country? Governments borrow to help develop and avoid things like inflation, which maybe caused by printing more money. Even USA borrows.
look, you guys also borrow
http://saharareporters.com/2016/09/08/nigeria-borrow-money-world-bank-china-japan