forgiveness:
Chelsea!

tbaba1234:


Practise is a given, a professional player will practice.. However, if he is not playing, it means nothing.

joseph1013:
False! You're wrong about that. I will not respect a coach who is turning one of our brightest ever prospects into a 'vegetable'. Kelechi needs to play more regularly.

Well, I think he will now that Aguero has been red-carded.

TheGoodJoe:


I never said a player does not need playing time. Every player wants to play. I said Iheanacho's playing time will come but I am more interested in him improving on the training pitch. At this time, he is to learn.

Morata was regular on the bench of Real. Went to Juventus and was a revelation. It means, without much playing time, he improved and when the chance came to show how good he was, he excelled.

Icon4s:
I was not worried abt Iheanacho's lack of games until i saw him against Chelsea today.

He was so way off the mark.

If Tottenham can give him more game time then let him move jare.

tbaba1234:


No, Morata improved BECAUSE he was given a chance to play at Juve, a coach who believed in him.

TheGoodJoe:


How can you say that? It is not true. How can given a player few games at Juve improve the player? It is can never work that way. Pogba spent years at Manchester United developing. Years. Yet, you want to equate the few games at Juventus Pogba used to cement his place as a starter in Juventus.

Training improves quality. Then the player needs a run of games to show form.

TheGoodJoe:


How can you say that? It is not true. How can given a player few games at Juve improve the player. It is can never work that way. Pogba spent years at Manchester United developing. Years. Yet, you want to equate the few games at Juventus Pogba used to cement his place as a starter in Juventus.

Training improves quality. Then the player needs a run of games to show form.

goldfish80:

If he went on loan to Monchenglabach, Everton or Southampton, won't he be training to play in such teams?
Or is man city the only club with a training ground?

goldfish80:

Was he really that bad? I heard from friends who watched the match that he wasn't impressive.
I hope he puts up a fight till the end of the season before going on loan for 2017/18 season(Man city will not loan their second striker half way through the season this coming January) .
We need him fit and sharp with enough enough playing time leading up to the world cup in June 2018.

He must exercise a loan option next season,else he might risk loosing his place in the starting line-up in Russia.
His handlers must look out for what is in his best interest.

joseph1013:
False! You're wrong about that. I will not respect a coach who is turning one of our brightest ever prospects into a 'vegetable'. Kelechi needs to play more regularly.

Well, I think he will now that Aguero has been red-carded.

TheGoodJoe:


What about respecting a coach who pulled the plug on Aubameyang's deal to keep Iheanacho as the number two striker. Was that not enough faith? Iheanacho will get to play because of that. Yet, you are using vegetable for a player who is seeing games at City.

Kog45:
Aubameyang deal did not sail through coz of Aguero not iheanacho.Aubameyang w never warm bench for Aguero,Guardiola see this and d deal need to be stopped.

On d issue of Iheanacho,well i want to tell u d Youngman is not happy not playing regularly.As a super eagle player i want him to even bench Aguero if it's possible but telling us d guy should be ok learning under Guardiola is uncalled for.

Kog45:
Aubameyang deal did not sail through coz of Aguero not iheanacho.Aubameyang w never warm bench for Aguero,Guardiola see this and d deal need to be stopped.

On d issue of Iheanacho,well i want to tell u d Youngman is not happy not playing regularly.As a super eagle player i want him to even bench Aguero if it's possible but telling us d guy should be ok learning under Guardiola is uncalled for.

tbaba1234:


Pogba was always, a good player... Without constant football, he would not have reached the level, he is today.. Every footballer trains.

If Morata stayed in Madrid just training, he might not have gotten the regular football critical for improvement.

TheGoodJoe:


How can you say that? It is not true. How can given a player few games at Juve improve the player? It is can never work that way. Pogba spent years at Manchester United developing. Years. Yet, you want to equate the few games at Juventus Pogba used to cement his place as a starter in Juventus.

Training improves quality. Then the player needs a run of games to show form.

goldfish80:

If he went on loan to Monchenglabach, Everton or Southampton, won't he be training to play in such teams?
Or is man city the only club with a training ground?

komekn:


There is a fusion between training and match time playing. It's impossible to replicate the intensity, ferocity, pace and adrenalin rush that you get in a match compared to a training session.

Pogba left Man U never really given a chance even then we knew him to be the best player there. He went from youth football straight into the first team at Juve, no pause.

In all honesty if he had stayed at Manchester United playing youth football he would NOT HAVE PROGRESSED into the world class players he is now.

You train but you need the intensity of a match environment to bring the perfection and exceptional QUALITY needed to be a top player.

komekn:
Sometimes the politics of football and manager player relationship may not be in the best interest of a player.

I see Sakho training and playing with the U23's at Liverpool, former captain of PSG bought for £18million a guy with 28 caps for France.

It tells you that football is an up and down thing takes resilience, perseverance and of course discipline to make it.

Sometimes it's just time to move on, if things don't look like they are going to work out. Again it could be an option to fight for your place.

TheGoodJoe:


It is tiring when you ask the same question I answered back, something I am sure you read.

Guardiola has a history of making players get better. We are talking of even top players. A player like Messi who was among the best in the World. How many coaches can improve a player at such level.

Most you guys keep talking about is game time. There is more to improving a player than game time. Guardiola even changed Messi's diet. Came up with complex passing drills to improve build up play. In turn, made Mess sharper.

I said, Iheanacho should work with a coach who has the science of improving players. After that, I see him becoming top quality.

The coaches at Everton and Monchengladbach do not have that history.

goldfish80:

At what stage should Iheanacho pull the plug and hand in a loan request?
Whats the duration of apprenticeship do you think it's enough learning from Guardiola in training? Serious question.

TheGoodJoe:


Same thing I said. At the moment, Iheanacho still has a lot. He should spend time walking with Guardiola. I believe a year or two in, he would have learnt alot. Not, all. By that time, he might have regular playing time or can leave in search of a club.

TheGoodJoe:


I wonder where you got such. Pogba was to play the season he left Manchester United. After some time, Sir Alex Ferguson opted to bring Scholes back from retirement.

I was among those who felt Ferguson was wrong bringing Scholes back, instead of making Pogba a regular starter. Those who followed Pogba's development believed he was ready and Pogba was right leaving.

Today, after years down the line, Pogba is at Manchester United and he can not control the midfield. That was why Sir Alex Ferguson brought back Scholes. It was an opportunity for the young man to learn. Pogba's eagerness for glory made him miss a valuable lesson.

Icon4s:

U almost cracked my ribs there

goldfish80:

I don't think Pogba lost a valuable lesson not playing with schooles.
At Juve he played alongside Pirlo who held his hand. Pirlo is no slouch.

The thing with Pogba is that he is not a midfield controller, he will never be, because he's not wired to sit and just spray passes across the park.
He's a guy who simply dominates the midfield with his energy and wins battles in a b2b role.

If schweinsteiger was 26yrs old, pairing him with Pogba would have been a match made in heaven.

TheGoodJoe:


Same thing I said. At the moment, Iheanacho still has a lot. He should spend time walking with Guardiola. I believe a year or two in, he would have learnt alot. Not, all. By that time, he might have regular playing time or can leave in search of a club.

goldfish80:

I don't think Pogba lost a valuable lesson not playing with schooles.
At Juve he played alongside Pirlo who held his hand. Pirlo is no slouch.

The thing with Pogba is that he is not a midfield controller, he will never be, because he's not wired to sit and just spray passes across the park.
He's a guy who simply dominates the midfield with his energy and wins battles in a b2b role.

If schweinsteiger was 26yrs old, pairing him with Pogba would have been a match made in heaven.

goldfish80:

Sitting on the bench for 2 years won't stagnate him?

I remember Serge Gnarby's case at Arsenal. For the better part of 2years he was not playing due to injuries and bad loan spell with Tony Pulis at West Bromwich. The young man stagnated and people quickly forgot about him.

The DFB pushed for his return to Germany and so far this season with a decent run of games for Wolfsburg, he's a full Germany international and one of the hottest prospects in the Bundesliga with more than 5goals to his name.
Truth is that young players stagnate when they are starved of games between the ages of 21-23.

Another example is Adama coulibaly at Middlesbrough,who was hands down the most talented player from his set from the Mestaila academy.
The guy stagnated over the past few seasons due to injuries and bad loan spells at Aston Villa and the like. This seasons with the proper environment at Middlesborough with Karanka, he has simply been unplayable.

Iheanacho shouldn't wait to stagnate for 2 years sitting on the bench before he pushed for first team football elsewhere.
Many talented young players haven't come back from such draw backs.

goldfish80:

Sitting on the bench for 2 years won't stagnate him?

I remember Serge Gnarby's case at Arsenal. For the better part of 2years he was not playing due to injuries and bad loan spell with Tony Pulis at West Bromwich. The young man stagnated and people quickly forgot about him.

The DFB pushed for his return to Germany and so far this season with a decent run of games for Wolfsburg, he's a full Germany international and one of the hottest prospects in the Bundesliga with more than 5goals to his name.
Truth is that young players stagnate when they are starved of games between the ages of 21-23.

Another example is Adama coulibaly at Middlesbrough,who was hands down the most talented player from his set from the Mestaila academy.
The guy stagnated over the past few seasons due to injuries and bad loan spells at Aston Villa and the like. This seasons with the proper environment at Middlesborough with Karanka, he has simply been unplayable.

Iheanacho shouldn't wait to stagnate for 2 years sitting on the bench before he pushed for first team football elsewhere.
Many talented young players haven't come back from such draw backs.