DoctorAlien:


Erm, just believe whatever you want to believe, okay? It does not change anything!

PastorAIO:


It's not about what I believe. It's about what I post. What I post changes a lot. It challenges what you post. it makes readers think. Some innocent prey that might have fallen for your posts would be more cautious when they see a counter opinion. A lot can be changed. And a lot WILL be changed. We are only just starting.

DoctorAlien:


Continue posting whatever you believe then. Those who read their Bibles only laugh when they see foolish philosophies from confused men.

PastorAIO:


The point is that Paul is giving his own personal advice. I'm not criticising what he said. I'm not saying you should divorce anybody. I highlighted the point I was making.

Paul was giving his own personal advice and admits it, and it is a part of our bible. Therefore the bible is not entirely inspired by the holdy spirit.
Geddit?

PastorAIO:
I quite agree, only that those who read their bibles look at each other and see each other as confused men. lol.

DoctorAlien:


Ignorant fellow that says sin is the cause of infirmity and that healing = forgiving sin, please leave me alone.

4everGod:
Does what you call "His own personal advice" Go against what is found in scripture? If your answer is NO

Then its still inspired by God as he was only offering guidance in accordance with what the word of God dictates. His foundation is the Word of God.

Case closed!

frosbel2:


Probably , but I am not one of his minions or followers.

hahn:


But you were once a die hard CE member. What would you classify yourself at that time now?

hahn:


But you were once a die hard CE member. What would you classify yourself at that time now?

4kings:
Kilo4sure I dey see you

Happy new year!!!

frosbel2:


Nope, you are mistaking me for someone else , I have never been to CE talk less of being a member

CE of all places and that 419 pastor of theirs ?

Rilwayne001:


He was a Deeper life member.

hahn:


Deeper life is worse than CE

4everGod:


Does what you call "His own personal advice" Go against what is found in scripture? If your answer is NO

Then its still inspired by God as he was only offering guidance in accordance with what the word of God dictates. His foundation is the Word of God.

Case closed!

DoctorAlien:


Ignorant fellow that says sin is the cause of infirmity and that healing = forgiving sin, please leave me alone.

I don't devote much of my precious time to adamantly ignorant people, since "professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" Rom. 1:22

PastorAIO:



Let's look at the passage a little closer.

There was a belief in those days that infirmities were the results of Sin. If someone is crippled it must be either that the person committed a sin or maybe his parents committed a sin. First there is that connection between the two, infirmity and Sin.

It therefore follows that to Forgive sin is to Heal an infirmity, and vice versa Infirmity cannot be healed without the forgiveness of Sin, in the minds of 1st century Jews.

DoctorAlien:


He is too dense to understand that.

The clause "precept must be upon precept, and line upon line" which I quoted obviously flew over his head.

PastorAIO:


Going back to that text I wrote the other morning. If it doesn't contradict anything in the bible does that mean it is inspired of God and fit to be used as an authority for your life?

You seem to be confused. two things concurring do not mean that they have the same source. I would love you to actually address the point I made, and the passage I used to buttress it.

Paul states, clearly and blatantly, that the advice he is giving is 'Not from the Lord'. I really don't know how 'Not from the Lord' can be interpreted by you as 'from the lord'. Whether the statement agrees with the rest of the bible or not does not change the fact that the passage itself claims that it is 'not from the lord'.

Please if you can do the magic and turn 'not from the lord' to 'from the lord' I would be mightily entertained to read it.

DoctorAlien:
Perhaps, the reason why the LORD never cared to give any direct message concerning believing husbands and unbelieving wives was that He knew that such a thing is too frivolous to be considered a reason for divorce.

Divorce is very offensive to GOD, and Christ stated that what GOD hath joined together, let no man put asunder.

Surely, the LORD trusted Paul as an authoritative source on matters concerning Christian living, because the gospel Paul preaches he received from no man, neither did he learn, but received it from Jesus through a revelation, as Gal. 1:12 emphasizes.

DoctorAlien:
Only a lethal dose of ignorance mixed with a proportionate amount of dishonesty can make a human being argue that the Jews held the belief that sin was the cause of infirmity, and that each time healing occurred, sins were forgiven.

Jesus healed a disfigured woman in the synagogue on the Sabbath, the Jews never charged him with claiming to forgive sin on that occassion.

The truth is that Jesus was never charged with claiming to forgive sins on all the miracles He performed in the sight of the Jews. They only picked offence at Him for claiming the prerogative of GOD when He opened His mouth and said to the paralytic man "son, thy sins are forgiven."

PastorAIO:

John 9.
1As Jesus was passing by, He saw a man blind from birth.

2His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

3Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but this happened that the works of God would be displayed in him.…

akintom:


*According to the exegesis aligned with by the Pentecostals variant of the Christian religion, they believe that infirmities (diseases) never existed in human experience, until the Jewish god cursed humanity through Adam and Eve.

* just like the disciples opined above, the Christians believe that sin breaks the edge of divine protection. Therefore, sin gives access to satanic/demonic attacks, which could be in the form of diseases.

* Jesus will want to claim that the blindness (a unique one for that matter, since it's from birth), will provide strong evidence of divine healing. This nonsense still holds ground in the perception, of seemingly hopeless situations, in the minds of Christians.

All these religious baloney, are the reasons why practical and realistic options are sacrificed on the altar of religious illusions.

4everGod:


sigh!!!

Lets first settle the meaning of the word INSPIRED!

It means something of extraordinary quality, as if arising from some external creative impulse.

Now everything has a source! If you went to school and your teacher taught you about Physics so much so that you fully understood it and then you went around teaching others physics based on what or how you were taught by your teacher then you were INSPIRED by your teacher.

In this Case the issue is THE WORD OF GOD.

Gods word is of God Himself and anyone who preaches or teaches it or explains it does so not of His own leading or foundation but on the very foundation of Gods word Itself.

If Paul spoke using his own words he spoke with a point of reference in mind which is the WORD OF GOD as an INSPIRATION.

When we say the word of God was Inspired by His Spirit it does not mean it is repeatedly being inspired today...It has been concluded and all other human inspiration as believers must come from the WORD OF GOD as its already declared in Revelations that nobody should ADD or take AWAY from it.

When Paul said "NOT FROM THE LORD" He meant he was speaking from His own understanding of scripture and he was careful to tell the people to be like the Bereans who do not just hear the word but they study scripture to ensure that everything they were told is found in it (THAT CONFIRMS INSPIRATION).

The confused one here is obviously you. When i say i wish to speak to you but not from DoctorAlien this means i wish to speak to you directly from my own perspective and then its up to you to find out if my perspective tallies with that of DoctorAlien.

Line upon Line, Precept upon Precept.

4everGod:
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Bunkum!

4everGod:



Ignore the fake PastorAIO with his dishonesty. He is the atheist Pastor here.

The truth is right before them but they always choose to only see what they think they can use to debate God with while disregarding what is in black and white before them as the answer.

So much dishonesty stinking up the place

randomperson:

I guess the bible is now hear say... In the story of the rich man and Lazarus, Lazarus's finger was mentioned... Can u have a finger without having a body . The bible also says the SOUL that sins shall die... Unless u are one of those Christians who hold your opinions higher than the words of the bible

DoctorAlien:
Only a lethal dose of ignorance mixed with a proportionate amount of dishonesty can make a human being argue that the Jews held the belief that sin was the cause of infirmity, and that each time healing occurred, sins were forgiven.

Jesus healed a disfigured woman in the synagogue on the Sabbath, the Jews never charged him with claiming to forgive sin on that occassion.

The truth is that Jesus was never charged with claiming to forgive sins on all the miracles He performed in the sight of the Jews. They only picked offence at Him for claiming the prerogative of GOD when He opened His mouth and said to the paralytic man "son, thy sins are forgiven."

4kings:

Freethinking is simply being open-minded.
And I didn't waste their time...