Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / New
Stats: 3,159,039 members, 7,838,599 topics. Date: Friday, 24 May 2024 at 06:20 AM

Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus - Religion (2) - Nairaland

Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Religion / Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus (4516 Views)

Fake Jesus, Michael Job Is Not Dead (photos) / Why Accuse Catholics Of Idolatory , When Non-catholics Are Doing This? / Christianity, Idolatory & Atheism Section Urgently Needed (2) (3) (4)

(1) (2) (3) (Reply) (Go Down)

Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Proudlyngwa(m): 6:08pm On Jan 10, 2017
Splinz:


Did you just hear that supposed Christian? According to him, all you need do is focus on John 10:10, and all other sins like adolatry shall remain inconsequential!
One thing I don't like about most of you who claim to be Christians is twisting words to your favour.
Where did I say if you believe in John 10.10 , all your sins are forgiven, I said. I prefer relating with the father on spiritual ways than through physical means I.e images, but does not mean if people feel like looking at supposedly pictures of Christ will increase their fondness of him, it should be frowned at.
Have I in anyway advocated worshiping those images.
People like you make others scorn Christianity.
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by TonyeBarcanista(m): 6:09pm On Jan 10, 2017
Proudlyngwa:

Did the second commandment say image or graven image.
Before those films were acted did we have pictures of Jesus or not.
Lol you didn't respond to the question I asked...

Did you see "or likeness"? and why trying to separate Image from graven image? On which authority are you even arguing?

Which pictures of which Jesus? was camera in existence during Jesus' time? Do you have a picture of Pontius Pilate? If you don't have that of a high ranking Roman officer, how much more picture of Jesus that wasn't a wealthy man?
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by TonyeBarcanista(m): 6:11pm On Jan 10, 2017
Proudlyngwa:

One thing I don't like about most of you who claim to be Christians is twisting words to your favour.
Where did I say if you believe in John 10.10 , all your sins are forgiven, I said. I prefer relating with the father on spiritual ways than through physical means I.e images, but does not mean if people feel like looking at supposedly pictures of Christ will increase their fondness of him, it should be frowned at.
Have I in anyway advocated worshiping those images.
People like you make others scorn Christianity.
Oga worship through ANY image is Idolatry irrespective of how it may or may not suit you. The authority is Ex 20:4 and it can't be modified to accommodate any individual...

Truth is bitter

1 Like

Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Proudlyngwa(m): 6:13pm On Jan 10, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
Lol you didn't respond to the question I asked...

Did you see "or likeness"? and why trying to separate Image from graven image? On which authority are you even arguing?

Which pictures of which Jesus? was camera in existence during Jesus' time? Do you have a picture of Pontius Pilate? If you don't have that of a high ranking Roman officer, how much more picture of Jesus that wasn't a wealthy man?

Lol were cameras in existence then, Na you dey ask this kain question.
So were drawings in existence then.
Is it his image that is important or his message.
Have people seen visions and had dreams involving Christ. What did they say.
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Proudlyngwa(m): 6:15pm On Jan 10, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:

Oga worship through ANY image is Idolatry irrespective of how it may or may not suit you. The authority is Ex 20:4 and it can't be modified to accommodate any individual...

Truth is bitter
You are embarasing yourself kindly point to where I have advocated worship through image.
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Proudlyngwa(m): 6:17pm On Jan 10, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
Lol you didn't respond to the question I asked...

Did you see "or likeness"? and why trying to separate Image from graven image? On which authority are you even arguing?

Which pictures of which Jesus? was camera in existence during Jesus' time? Do you have a picture of Pontius Pilate? If you don't have that of a high ranking Roman officer, how much more picture of Jesus that wasn't a wealthy man?

In such paragraphs, the Bible is against making images for worship, not remembrance.
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Splinz(m): 6:18pm On Jan 10, 2017
Proudlyngwa:

And how does the second commandment corelate to my post.
A graven image is made for the purpose of worship, where did any of my initial post support that.
I have told you I believe in John 10.10, how does that show I believe in physical things.

So what do you called such things like "picture of Jesus"? Here is your comment:

Many things were not covered in the Bible.
Many people use visuals to remind them of things, people and events.

What we should be concerned about is leading a good life.

This is a subtle endorsement of idolatry. This is because in the Bible, these things are condemned! And then you went ahead and dismissed such practices as inconsequential, as long as one is leading a good life.

How will you described an act of bowing and praying in front of an image of Jesus or Mary? Is that not idolatry?
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Proudlyngwa(m): 6:22pm On Jan 10, 2017
Splinz:


So what do you called such things like "picture of Jesus"? Here is your comment:



This is a subtle endorsement of idolatry. This is because in the Bible, these things are condemned! And then you went ahead and dismissed such practices as inconsequential, as long as one is leading a good life.

How will you described an act of bowing and praying in front of an image of Jesus or Mary? Is that not idolatry?
Like I said you people twist peoples words to fit you.
What is more important, the image or the message.
If I have a drawing that makes me love the saviour more, whether its his picture or not. How is it bad.
Once again where have I advocated worship of such image.
Kindly reference or apologize.
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by TonyeBarcanista(m): 6:29pm On Jan 10, 2017
Proudlyngwa:


Lol were cameras in existence then, Na you dey ask this kain question.
So were drawings in existence then.
Is it his image that is important or his message.
Have people seen visions and had dreams involving Christ. What did they say.
DON'T WORSHIP THROUGH THE IMAGE or even the Image. that's the commandment!
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Proudlyngwa(m): 6:31pm On Jan 10, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
DON'T WORSHIP THROUGH THE IMAGE or even the Image. that's the commandment!

And where have I advocated worshiping through the image.
Like I said kindly reference or apologise.
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Splinz(m): 6:36pm On Jan 10, 2017
Proudlyngwa:

Like I said you people twist peoples words to fit you.
What is more important, the image or the message.
If I have a drawing that makes me love the saviour more, whether its his picture or not. How is it bad.
Once again where have I advocated worship of such image.
Kindly reference or apologize.

You see! Accept that this is your wisdom, and in God's agenda, it is in vain! (Mark 7:7).

This is because a picture of Jesus can never makes you love him more. Why? Because "love is fulfilling (keeping) the law" (Romans 13:10).

Oga, you are subtly endorsing idolatry. Sorry, I have no apology to tender.
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Splinz(m): 6:41pm On Jan 10, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:

It is funny that instead of saying "Happy Birthday Jesus" on December 25th, people instead say "Merry Christmas" and they still want us to join them to "celebrate" the birth of their own Christ...


Humans

I just tire for some people eh...

Simple instruction: don't do this thing! Them sey lie lie... we must do it our way; after all, it doesn't matter (they must find a way to rationalize it!).
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Proudlyngwa(m): 6:47pm On Jan 10, 2017
Splinz:


You see! Accept that this is your wisdom, and in God's agenda, it is in vain! (Mark 7:7).

This is because a picture of Jesus can never makes you love him more. Why? Because "love is fulfilling (keeping) the law" (Romans 13:10).

Oga, you are subtly endorsing idolatry. Sorry, I have no apology to tender.

Speak for yourself,
I have never advocated worshiping any image, and a lot of things increase my fondness for Christ.
I believe this dialogue is meaningless as in Christianity a lot of things are symbolic and as I said the bible does not cover a lot of things.
You can twist my words but I will leave you with this.
Numbers 21.8
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Splinz(m): 7:02pm On Jan 10, 2017
Proudlyngwa:

Speak for yourself

I am speaking the mind of God through His word. You have a problem with that?

I have never advocated worshiping any image

You did, subtly.

I believe this dialogue is meaningless as in Christianity a lot of things are symbolic and as I said the bible does not cover a lot of things.

Of course, meaningless to one who's not contented with God's word. For your info, the Scriptures as we have it is perfect in instructing one unto salvation and righteousness (2 Timothy 3:15-16). So all this talk of "the Bible not covering a lot of things" is shallow!

You can twist my words but I will leave you with this.
Numbers 21.8

And you think Numbers 21:8 is an endorsement of idolatry? Typical Catholic!

In Numbers 21:8, we see that the commandment was given to Moses for a 'specific' reason. Who gave you the command to make graven images and bow down or pray before them, and for what purpose
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Precial419: 7:05pm On Jan 10, 2017
pls someone should explain what d brazen serpent used by moses to save those bitten by d snake is.
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:06pm On Jan 10, 2017
Splinz:


So what do you called such things like "picture of Jesus"? Here is your comment:



This is a subtle endorsement of idolatry. This is because in the Bible, these things are condemned! And then you went ahead and dismissed such practices as inconsequential, as long as one is leading a good life.

How will you described an act of bowing and praying in front of an image of Jesus or Mary? Is that not idolatry?
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Precial419: 7:06pm On Jan 10, 2017
IF D SERPENT IS NOT AN IMAGE THEN WAT IS IT
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Proudlyngwa(m): 7:07pm On Jan 10, 2017
Splinz:
Proudlyngwa:



I am speaking the mind of God through His word. You have a problem with that?



You did, subtly.



Of course, meaningless to one who's not contented with God's word. For your info, the Scriptures as we have it is perfect in instructing one unto salvation and righteousness (2 Timothy 3:15-16). So all this talk of "the Bible not covering a lot of things" is shallow!



And you think Numbers 21:8 is an endorsement of idolatry? Typical Catholic!

In Numbers 21:8, we see that the commandment was given to Moses for a 'specific' reason. Who gave you the command to make graven images and bow down or pray before them, and for which purpose
And once again I ask where have I advocated worship.
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Splinz(m): 7:11pm On Jan 10, 2017
Proudlyngwa:

And once again I ask where have I advocated worship.

C'mon... stop ridiculing yourself! What are you trying to prove with Numbers 21:8
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:13pm On Jan 10, 2017
Precial419:
pls someone should explain what d brazen serpent used by moses to save those bitten by d snake is.
That was an instruction for a specific purpose, and beside that the serpent was not meant to represent anybody
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by EvangelistNdudi(m): 7:43pm On Jan 10, 2017
Proudlyngwa:


Speak for yourself,
I have never advocated worshiping any image, and a lot of things increase my fondness for Christ.
I believe this dialogue is meaningless as in Christianity a lot of things are symbolic and as I said the bible does not cover a lot of things.
You can twist my words but I will leave you with this.
Numbers 21.8
don't tell me you can't understand that verse as a Christian that I believe you are

That pole represent cross
And the bronze snake represent christ
Finally, the snake that bite represent Satan

The world we are is been control by Lucifer(the ground where those snakes are belong to the snake) and he has the power to kill and destroy anyone he want to, but when you look up to Christ (the Bronze Snake on the pole) for help, he (Christ) will save you.

Please let us read bible with open mind and also pray for understanding when reading it

Peace.
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Proudlyngwa(m): 7:52pm On Jan 10, 2017
EvangelistNdudi:
don't tell me you can't understand that verse as a Christian that I believe you are

That pole represent cross
And the bronze snake represent christ
Finally, the snake that bite represent Satan

The world we are is been control by Lucifer(the ground where those snakes are belong to the snake) and he has the power to kill and destroy anyone he want to, but when you look up to Christ (the Bronze Snake on the pole) for help, he (Christ) will save you.

Please let us read bible with open mind and also pray for understanding when reading it

Peace.

And where did I say it was not symbolic, just as other images of Christ.
I said the supposed image of Christ symbolises something to people who have it, I have never advocated worshiping any image, and never will.
What I don't understand is why the fuss with the image of Christ.
In fact am going to get one more tommorow
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by OFFICIAL336: 8:56pm On Jan 10, 2017
EvangelistNdudi:
don't tell me you can't understand that verse as a Christian that I believe you are

That pole represent cross
And the bronze snake represent christ
Finally, the snake that bite represent Satan

The world we are is been control by Lucifer(the ground where those snakes are belong to the snake) and he has the power to kill and destroy anyone he want to, but when you look up to Christ (the Bronze Snake on the pole) for help, he (Christ) will save you.

Please let us read bible with open mind and also pray for understanding when reading it

Peace.
Thank you Evangelist, for this revelation.

Thank you Tonyebarcanista for this thread.

I really learnt new things today. No more Christmas celebration and no more fvcking images of western actors on my walls.
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by EvangelistNdudi(m): 8:58pm On Jan 10, 2017
Proudlyngwa:


And where did I say it was not symbolic, just as other images of Christ.
I said the supposed image of Christ symbolises something to people who have it, I have never advocated worshiping any image, and never will.
What I don't understand is why the fuss with the image of Christ.
In fact am going to get one more tommorow
my brother, nobody is having issue with the image of Jesus
But the issue is that keeping the image of one white man as "christ" makes one an idol worshipper.
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Precial419: 9:01pm On Jan 10, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
That was an instruction for a specific purpose, and beside that the serpent was not meant to represent anybody
SO WHERE THEY WORSHIPPING D SERPENT
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by EvangelistNdudi(m): 9:14pm On Jan 10, 2017
OFFICIAL336:

Thank you Evangelist, for this revelation.

Thank you Tonyebarcanista for this thread.

I really learnt new things today. No more Christmas celebration and no more fvcking images of western actors on my walls.
you are welcome my brother
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Nobody: 9:20pm On Jan 10, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:

Hello Brother, thank you for the welcome... Happy New Year to you!

As per your question, I agree with you that Blacks are the most gullible, I just pray that Christians should realise that our Lord hates idolatry and he is a jealous God

God also knows when and if one is committing idolatry, let Him judge not you
Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:56pm On Jan 10, 2017
Pidgin2:


God also knows when and if one is committing idolatry, let Him judge not you
Who did I judge ma?

1 Like

Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by 0079jaBond(m): 11:58pm On Jan 10, 2017
@Proudlyngwa my brother, try to relax and read through over and over again but do so more 'carefully' this time. Dogmatism odi kwa very bad.
By the way, John 10:10 amongst other things you said have deeper meanings than the facial thought you've for them.


@TonyeBarcanista, Splinz, EvangelistNdudi nice one Sirs! I couldn't have said it better.



Pressing on the upward way...
Daily renewal of mind...
Solidification against all odds...
God bless our race! Amen.

2 Likes 1 Share

Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Proudlyngwa(m): 12:06am On Jan 11, 2017
0079jaBond:
@Proudlyngwa my brother, try to relax and read through over and over again but do so more 'carefully' this time. Dogmatism odi kwa very bad.
By the way, John 10:10 amongst other things you said have deeper meanings than the facial thought you've for them.


@TonyeBarcanista, Splinz, EvangelistNdudi nice one Sirs! I couldn't have said it better.



Pressing on the upward way...
Daily renewal of mind...
Solidification against all odds...
God bless our race! Amen.
And as I have said over and over again where have I advocated for worship of images, if you are not ok with having what is called the picture of Jesus . Fine by me.
As for me, I see no problem with it and I believe I speak for millions of Christians.

1 Like

Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by Proudlyngwa(m): 12:07am On Jan 11, 2017
Splinz:


C'mon... stop ridiculing yourself! What are you trying to prove with Numbers 21:8
That images are symbolical and don't conote worship.

1 Like

Re: Christianity, Idolatory And Worship Of Four "Fake" Jesus by 0079jaBond(m): 12:42am On Jan 11, 2017
Proudlyngwa:

And as I have said over and over again where have I advocated for worship of images, if you are not ok with having what is called the picture of Jesus . Fine by me.
As for me, I see no problem with it and I believe I speak for millions of Christians.

It is not a popularity contest bro. I believe the Word of God is the basis upon which we're drawing our points. So if that same Word says something, why try to change it rather subtly?


I perceive in my spirit that you haven't come to terms with the meaning of idolatory and its dangers as stated in the Bible. No one has a problem with the picture, same way we can't fault anyone for playing Jesus' role in movies. The book of Revelation and a few others in the Old Testament already describes the physical form of Jesus which we're to adore IN THE SPIRIT.

The only pitfall is seeing believers giving obeisance to those images rather than channeling our thoughts/desires to Him on our knees through the spirit.

Indeed, Jesus has no physical picture as of now but we shall be transformed and appear as He is when He returns. But would He find us faithful to Him in spirit or in images?

Indeed again, the eternal life-form in John 10:10 is not one that tries to find convenience in heretic and/or misguided interpretation of the infallible Word of God. Such kind of life are released unto those known as "SONS" who would rather ask, "Father, is there a Word from you?"

Finally, be reminded that the letters killeth but the Spirit gives life and quickens our mortal body unto reformation, hence mind regeneration takes place and we're made to abide by laid down principles. 2 Tim. 3:16


Humility...
Reflection...
Seeking...
#JesusAboveAll


Shalom

(1) (2) (3) (Reply)

Website To Help Jehovah Witnesses Discover Hidden Old Publications / OAP Freeze Abuses Pastor Adeboye: They Don’t Read The Bible, They Only Brainwash / Allah Vs Atheism: ‘leaving Islam Was The Hardest Thing I’ve Done’ Amal Farah

(Go Up)

Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health
religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket

Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10)

Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 63
Disclaimer: Every Nairaland member is solely responsible for anything that he/she posts or uploads on Nairaland.