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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by benzics(m): 3:31pm On Jan 11, 2017
peacesamuel94:





But I thought life was meaningless to you guys.
Thank GOD you "thought". .

We all got one shot at this life, and we try our best to make good out of it, that's why you don't see us bothering about things that'll happen to us after we die.. We live for now!
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 3:39pm On Jan 11, 2017
jonbellion:
but even if there was actually a divine command theory fo the rapists still agree rape is wrong
No
rape is wrong because it denies the most basic rights of the individual. It takes the freedom of action and choice away from the vi as simple as that. The rapists might not feel that way but it's the fact but it disrupts privacy just as murder violates an individuals basic right to be alive
I feel this is as absolute one can get
But if we want to go with the christian belief
Pre marital sex is wrong even within two consenting adults
So what exactly males it wrong without using biblical backup

1. That rape denies the basic right of an individual is your opinion. Other people don't agree.

2. An act is not immoral because it encroaches on a person's individual rights. Otherwise, policemen have no right to detain people(limit their freedom of movement).

3. Is the lion that kills an antelope not violating the antelope's rights? Are lions punished?
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by benzics(m): 3:40pm On Jan 11, 2017
felixomor:


If only u could know that u r d one contradicting yourself.
If i scratch myself to kill you?
U clearly dont know what that means?
Ur body ends where the baby's own begins.
So keep quiet.

Hehehehe,
And as for ur last paragraph, i will call people to come and see another potential killer on the loose....
It is sadistic
But i am not surprised...
How could I?
LMAO grin

On abortion, that should be a different topic completely, are you going to nurture and take care of the child after it is born? If no, then what is your business with what she chose to do with her fetus?

Potential killer? Sadistic?.. Lol, I'm not surprised though, you guys don't usually comprehend things easily..

So you have a daughter suffering from cancer, and it has been declared that there is no possible way she could be cured... You watch her go through unmeasurable pains, she then begs you "daddy, please take me out of my misery", won't you find an easy way to make her free? Or you prefer to watch her slowly die in pain?
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by dalaman: 3:43pm On Jan 11, 2017
DoctorAlien:


Please, stop quoting me. You're very unintelligent. You never address the content of what you quoted. Who's talking about congress?sad

Congress makes laws. I've just shown you that humans are the ones that make moral absolute laws. The congress made discriminating people based on the color of their skin an absolute wrong even when majority of the people living in the South were against it. Reasons where given why it is absolutely wrong to discriminate treat people badly based on the color of their skin. The members of Congress accepted it and passed laws according even when a large percentage of the people were against it. Over time as the law stood people begang to understand it. In the 1900 blacks had no rights at all. They could not vote, use the same rest rooms with whites, sit in the same place in the bus with whites, inter marry, attend the same schools, love in the same places with whites etc. They were openly lynched in the US and most of the people saw nothing wrong with that.

Who formulated the absolute laws that criminalized segregation based on race? Humans did. Treating people badly only because of the color of their skin is absolutely wrong. Americans had to learn it and make it so.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 3:43pm On Jan 11, 2017
benzics:

Same reason you are not punishing soldiers for killing terrorists to protect you!!
Lame. Lions don't kill antelopes to protect anybody, neither do antelopes terrorize lions. So, no reason for the lion to kill the antelopes.

What a group of individuals think doesn't change the truth

Good. The ones you hold as truth, who declared them truths, since a human being or groups of human beings can't determine what is to be held as truth?
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by benzics(m): 3:45pm On Jan 11, 2017
DoctorAlien:


1. That rape denies the basic right of an individual is your opinion. Other people don't agree.

2. An act is not immoral because it encroaches on a person's individual rights. Otherwise, policemen have no right to detain people(limit their freedom of movement).

3. Is the lion that kills an antelope not violating the antelope's rights? Are lions punished?
Jonbellion, did you read the bolded?

Please doctor, can you define "opinion"?

It's just like me giving a terrorist a clear headshot with my sniper rifle, blowing his brains out.. And then I tell you all" he is dead", someone then says "it is my opinion", that in his own opinion the terrorist is not dead.. . WTF
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by jonbellion(m): 3:48pm On Jan 11, 2017
benzics:

Jonbellion, did you read the bolded?

Please doctor, can you define "opinion"?

It's just like me giving a terrorist a clear headshot with my sniper rifle, blowing his brains out.. And then I tell you all" he is dead", someone then says "it is my opinion", that in his own opinion the terrorist is not dead.. . WTF
brooo
I even adressed that before
Not to mention the 3rd question had me dumbfounded
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by benzics(m): 3:51pm On Jan 11, 2017
DoctorAlien:
Lame. Lions don't kill antelopes to protect anybody, neither do antelopes terrorize lions. So, no reason for the lion to kill the antelopes.

Lol, you are f-ucking hilarious doc grin
I didnt say lions kill antelopes to protect themselves, that was just a similar scenario.. And incase you don't know, lions kill antelopes for food, that's the reason grin


Good. The ones you hold as truth, who declared them truths, since a human being or groups of human beings can't determine what is to be held as truth?
Bitter Leaves are green, just because another person comes up with "bitter leaves are red", does that make bitter leaves red?
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by dalaman: 3:52pm On Jan 11, 2017
benzics:

Jonbellion, did you read the bolded?

Please doctor, can you define "opinion"?

It's just like me giving a terrorist a clear headshot with my sniper rifle, blowing his brains out.. And then I tell you all" he is dead", someone then says "it is my opinion", that in his own opinion the terrorist is not dead.. . WTF

That's why I said you guys should just play his own games. If he asks you if rape is weong justbshownhim where his bible doesn't frown on rape as an answer. He's not a serious person.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by benzics(m): 3:55pm On Jan 11, 2017
dalaman:


That's why I said you guys should just play his own games. If he asks you if rape is weong justbshownhim where his bible doesn't frown on rape as an answer. He's not a serious person.
Lol.. You know their style na, they'll ignore the verse because "it's the old testament", and they themselves believe their god is unchangeable grin
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by jonbellion(m): 3:59pm On Jan 11, 2017
benzics:

Lol.. You know their style na, they'll ignore the verse because "it's the old testament", and they themselves believe their god is unchangeable grin
lol
If the Abrahamic God was unchangeable then you can actually consider something like absolute morality or divine command theory being the benchmark for humanity
But that was not the case!
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 4:06pm On Jan 11, 2017
benzics:

LMAO grin

On abortion, that should be a different topic completely, are you going to nurture and take care of the child after it is born? If no, then what is your business with what she chose to do with her fetus?

Potential killer? Sadistic?.. Lol, I'm not surprised though, you guys don't usually comprehend things easily..

So you have a daughter suffering from cancer, and it has been declared that there is no possible way she could be cured... You watch her go through unmeasurable pains, she then begs you "daddy, please take me out of my misery", won't you find an easy way to make her free? Or you prefer to watch her slowly die in pain?


God has healed so many people of cancer after they were given 2 weeks to live.
It has happened countless times.
And even if, Jesus didnt give us power to take lives.

Continue killing, u hear
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by benzics(m): 4:16pm On Jan 11, 2017
felixomor:


God has healed so many people of cancer after they were given 2 weeks to live.
It has happened countless times.
And even if, Jesus didnt give us power to take lives.

Continue killing, u hear
Lol, so if someone on MEDICATION survives cancer it is god? What about those that die? So God do not find them worthy enough?..

Jesus didn't give you power to take lives? So you are saying that the lives of the animals or insects you've killed weren't "lives"? Or maybe you're talking about human life, so let's say you have a loaded shotgun at home, you use for hunting, so one day you and your family were home and then some group of people were coming to kill your whole family with just matchets, and you have a shotgun, so you are saying you won't use it?

If you would use it, then you are a hypocrite who tweaks the Bible to suit himself, and if you won't, you are a bloody coward who is responsible for the death of your family..

So what will it be? cheesy grin

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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 4:18pm On Jan 11, 2017
benzics:

Jonbellion, did you read the bolded?

Please doctor, can you define "opinion"?

It's just like me giving a terrorist a clear headshot with my sniper rifle, blowing his brains out.. And then I tell you all" he is dead", someone then says "it is my opinion", that in his own opinion the terrorist is not dead.. . WTF

This is a terrible analogy. Try as much as possible use analogies that remotely mirror what is being said.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 4:20pm On Jan 11, 2017
benzics:

Lol, you are f-ucking hilarious doc grin
I didnt say lions kill antelopes to protect themselves, that was just a similar scenario.. And incase you don't know, lions kill antelopes for food, that's the reason grin
Rapists can produce a similar excuse to justify their acts.


Bitter Leaves are green, just because another person comes up with "bitter leaves are red", does that make bitter leaves red?
Another unintelligent "analogy".
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 4:33pm On Jan 11, 2017
benzics:

Lol, so if someone on MEDICATION survives cancer it is god? What about those that die? So God do not find them worthy enough?..

Jesus didn't give you power to take lives? So you are saying that the lives of the animals or insects you've killed weren't "lives"? Or maybe you're talking about human life, so let's say you have a loaded shotgun at home, you use for hunting, so one day you and your family were home and then some group of people were coming to kill your whole family with just matchets, and you have a shotgun, so you are saying you won't use it?

If you would use it, then you are a hypocrite who tweaks the Bible to suit himself, and if you won't, you are a bloody coward who is responsible for the death of your family..

So what will it be? cheesy grin

On the issue of medications, I keep saying it
You people always look like fools when talking because u dont sit down to read the bible.
Have u read the part that says "faith without works is dead"?
Definitely not.
Medication does not guarantee, ask any medic.
Medication itself continues to kill millions.


And i wonder the type and age of a person who would ask questions, answer it and make conclusions on behalf of the person he is discussing with.

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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by benzics(m): 4:45pm On Jan 11, 2017
felixomor:


On the issue of medications, I keep saying it
You people always look like fools when talking because u dont sit down to read the bible.
Have u read the part that says "faith without works is dead"?
Definitely not.
Medication does not guarantee, ask any medic.
Medication itself continues to kill millions.


And i wonder the type and age of a person who would ask questions, answer it and make conclusions on behalf of the person he is discussing with.

Faith without work.. I thought faith could move mountains? Lol.. There is no faith in medications!

Lol.. Keep wondering, if I asked you a yes/no question, shouldn't I be expecting either of the two possible answers?
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by benzics(m): 4:49pm On Jan 11, 2017
DoctorAlien:
Rapists can produce a similar excuse to justify their acts.


Another unintelligent "analogy".
Lol cheesy

That's just the problem with most theists, when given possible comparisons, they see the analogy/comparison as " dumb " not knowing that the goal of the person who gave you this analogy, was to show you how dumb you sound, yes, the analogy would sound dumb to you but not the statement you made!

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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 5:24pm On Jan 11, 2017
benzics:

Faith without work.. I thought faith could move mountains? Lol.. There is no faith in medications!

Lol.. Keep wondering, if I asked you a yes/no question, shouldn't I be expecting either of the two possible answers?

U dont even know where faith without works is written let alone knowing the meaning.

Mscheww.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by dalaman: 5:27pm On Jan 11, 2017
felixomor:


U dont even know where faith without works is written let alone knowing the meaning.

Mscheww.

Prove that he doesn't know. Baa Baa Baa sheep.

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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by benzics(m): 5:31pm On Jan 11, 2017
felixomor:


U dont even know where faith without works is written let alone knowing the meaning.

Mscheww.
"faith without work is dead ", the book of James, I've forgotten the specific chapter...

Read up mark 11, am sure you'll say Jesus' word is metaphorical
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 5:37pm On Jan 11, 2017
benzics:

"faith without work is dead ", the book of James, I've forgotten the specific chapter...

Read up mark 11, am sure you'll say Jesus' word is metaphorical

Lol.
U go and be moving physical mountains na.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 5:38pm On Jan 11, 2017
dalaman:


Prove that he doesn't know. Baa Baa Baa sheep.

Hehehehe.
First go and read it. grin
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by Pdizzle(m): 9:04pm On Jan 11, 2017
DoctorAlien:


This is a terrible analogy. Try as much as possible use analogies that remotely mirror what is being said.

Well, rape is not universally wrong. Take places like the middle east for example, and in situations of male guardianship law in Saudi. The big story about a tourist that was raped in UAE, and she was detained herself is still on the internet, with claims she caused it. You know that can't happen in the west even with a woman that is drunk, and so provocatively dressed you still get to go to jail. Morality varies with societies, hence it is subjective.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 9:52pm On Jan 11, 2017
Pdizzle:


Well, rape is not universally wrong. Take places like the middle east for example, and in situations of male guardianship law in Saudi. The big story about a tourist that was raped in UAE, and she was detained herself is still on the internet, with claims she caused it. You know that can't happen in the west even with a woman that is drunk, and so provocatively dressed you still get to go to jail. Morality varies with societies, hence it is subjective.

That is more like it. Atheism does not support the existence of absolute moral values. After all we are no different from animals and man is of no higher value than animals, according to them. Some believe it's okay to be racist; others believe it's okay to kill babies. Others still believe it's okay to rape. Who is to say what is to be followed? Any standard of our own creation would necessarily be subjective and arbitrary.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by ValentineMary(m): 11:28pm On Jan 11, 2017
peacesamuel94:



What gave us the inclination to seek or choose our purpose, how did a purposeless and meaningless universe give rise to beings that seeks their purpose, even when the universe that predated them has no Meaning or reason for its existence.

How did purpose or the thought of purpose come about.
The need for organisms to survive gives them the inclination to have a purpose. Whether to eat or not, whether to have offspring or not. All to the progress of a specie.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by ValentineMary(m): 11:32pm On Jan 11, 2017
DoctorAlien:


How can GOD tamper with what you want to do just because He knows the future? That GOD knows that mr. A would end up in hell: does it mean GOD is the reason why mr. A will enter hell? especially when GOD made available chances for mr. A to avoid hell, and that people go to hell based on what they do?
How can God give him chances when he knows what the eventual outcome would be? It shows that he is not even certain.
If he knows the future, then he knows what would eventually happen whether he sends a saviour or not.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by randomperson: 7:44am On Jan 12, 2017
felixomor:


On the issue of medications, I keep saying it
You people always look like fools when talking because u dont sit down to read the bible.
Have u read the part that says "faith without works is dead"?
Definitely not.
Medication does not guarantee, ask any medic.
Medication itself continues to kill millions.


And i wonder the type and age of a person who would ask questions, answer it and make conclusions on behalf of the person he is discussing with.

So u are saying god cannot heal u without medication? Nice
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 8:26am On Jan 12, 2017
randomperson:

So u are saying god cannot heal u without medication? Nice

Argumentum ad ignoratum
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by randomperson: 8:31am On Jan 12, 2017
felixomor:


Argumentum ad ignoratum
I'll take that as a yes... wink
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by felixomor: 8:40am On Jan 12, 2017
randomperson:

I'll take that as a yes... wink
Good to know u agree to what u do
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by Pdizzle(m): 10:45am On Jan 12, 2017
DoctorAlien:


That is more like it. Atheism does not support the existence of absolute moral values. After all we are no different from animals and man is of no higher value than animals, according to them. Some believe it's okay to be racist; others believe it's okay to kill babies. Others still believe it's okay to rape. Who is to say what is to be followed? Any standard of our own creation would necessarily be subjective and arbitrary.

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