hopefulLandlord:


give me examples of those things universally agreed on as "good"

felixomor:

Giving to charity is universally viewed as good. Everywhere

hopefulLandlord:


okay, so is there any manmade law against that?

DoctorAlien:
However, the atheist cannot account for laws of logic. He cannot make sense of them within his own worldview. How could there be immaterial, universal, invariant, abstract laws in a chance universe formed by a big bang? Why should there be an absolute standard of reasoning if everything is simply “molecules in motion”? Most atheists have a materialistic outlook—meaning they believe that everything that exists is material, or explained by material processes. But laws of logic are not material! You cannot pull a law of logic out of the refrigerator! If atheistic materialism is true, then there could be no laws of logic, since they are immaterial. Thus, logical reasoning would be impossible!

I am an atheist and I believe in the immaterial. I believe the immaterial is an extension or a product of the material. As Plato would call it, the pure atom. Consciousness for example is immaterial but stems from a physical brain. But how is that possible For the fact that we are a biological system, there would be a need to maintain homeostasis in the system. So special organs were designed by nature to help us do that. But another organ controls all these other organs (brain) which relates the information to us. And it does this through neuron actions. Of course we can't see the message but we know the mechanism it is transmitted.

hopefulLandlord:


He's outraged because violent murder goes against the laws of the land he's in; its a felony

therefore this post makes NO sense!!

DoctorAlien:
Who made it binding? Who said killing is bad?



If nothing is universally agreed upon as good, why will the belief of probably 10 million people make a relative absolute and binding? Can it not be seen that "killing is bad" is just the opinion of one random person, and which happens to coincidentally be the opinion of the next person? What authority has a group of persons to declare a moral absolute?

felixomor:

I just showed u what os universally good. Ur intention was to show there was nothing as such. All i did was to rebutt it An there are many more of such

DoctorAlien:
How did the fittest arrive?

What secular laws are guiding our morality? The presence of a law necessitates a lawgiver. Who gave the secular laws?

Huh

Waw. I'm shocked. Really man

Ermacc:
so if the law of the land has absolutely no problem with murder, its okay by you?

DoctorAlien:


In other words you say that life is meaningless.

GOD gave man freewill. As such, man can do whatever he wants. But he is not free from the consequences of his actions. Any action has a consequence.

Are you confused? How can you say we have no purpose and then say that evolution programmed purpose into us? What is the purpose of man from the evolution POV?

Jesus!!! Did u even read what I wrote? I said we choose our purpose. They are not integrated into us.
God gave man freewill yet he has a purpose for us You still don't see the inconsistencies right?

hopefulLandlord:


okay, so is there any manmade law against that?

ValentineMary:

I am an atheist and I believe in the immaterial. I believe the immaterial is an extension or a product of the material. As Plato would call it, the pure atom. Consciousness for example is immaterial but stems from a physical brain. But how is that possible For the fact that we are a biological system, there would be a need to maintain homeostasis in the system. So special organs were designed by nature to help us do that. But another organ controls all these other organs (brain) which relates the information to us. And it does this through neuron actions. Of course we can't see the message but we know the mechanism it is transmitted.

hopefulLandlord:


maybe you should follow the discussion from the beginning

DoctorAlien:
ValentineMary,

I'm not impressed that you're throwing non-sequitors and red herrings all over the place. Address the content of the OP. This is not a thread about evolution. Address the inconsistencies pointed out.

Or just pass.

hopefulLandlord:

if I rape your virgin sister who doesn't love me, pay your parents money and marry her, is it okay by you?

Ermacc:
there's no point arguing with an atheist who is certain we are a product of evolution, atleast some others give the smart reply "i dont know' when they realise evolution is a scam. Its amazing how you feel nature is the architect behind the complicated orderliness of the universe. I'm sure nature in its mighty wisdom gave us conscience too.

Waw. Evolution is a scam right Good. Pls explain drug resistance in organisms or gene modifications in virus without using evolution. Thanks

DoctorAlien:


Is giving to charity good?

If yes, who pronounced it absolutely good?

It cannot be a group of persons because each of them is just of the opinion that charity is good. That the opinions of 5 or 10 or 1 millon persons are coincidentally the same does not turn what could be a relative(giving charity) into a moral absolute.

Ermacc:
I didnt tell you i'm absolutely compliant with the laws. But it will be okay with you since you are.

ValentineMary:
Did u even read what I wrote? I said we choose our purpose. They are not integrated into us.

God gave man freewill yet he has a purpose for us You still don't see the inconsistencies right?

felixomor:


I followed it.

A sincere atheist does not indulge in morality arguments because it negates their arguments hands down.

All laws that exist today in all nations are copies of religious text in one way or the other.
Arguments from liberals and people over time is what has even made it to make them look subjective.
Morality is not an atheist discussion.

DoctorAlien:
Life, then, is utimately purposeless. We are on earth for no reason. That's what you mean. Life is meaningless. We only struggle to give it meaning. Nice and healthy view.

I can have a purpose for my son: to make him a medical doctor. But then he can choose to be a lawyer. You now see what freewill is?

Yes u can. But do u know the future No. Does ur said God know the future? Yes. So if God knows that his purpose would fall through, yet he goes ahead to give someone a purpose which he knows would eventually fail. I don't know how u still don't see the inconsistencies here man.

DoctorAlien:
ValentineMary, please don't derail this thread by bringing in talks about evolution. Please, refute the OP or go to another thread.

Thank you.

hopefulLandlord:


I disagree that all laws are based on copies of religious texts, what religious text is Chinese law based upon? what of Germany? what religious law is Nigeria morals based upon

ValentineMary:
Yes u can. But do u know the future No. Does ur said God know the future? Yes. So if God knows that his purpose would fall through, yet he goes ahead to give someone a purpose which he knows would eventually fail. I don't know how u still don't see the inconsistencies here man. [/i]

felixomor:


Do a little research,
Nigerian Constitution was copied from british
Of course british was gotten from Christian/Judaism laws and likewise other european nations, also likewise america......etc

The list goes on...
Good and evil stems from religion

Overtime, arguments from liberals is what has even made some little changes...
Atheism has no business with good and evil.

felixomor:


Do a little research,
Nigerian Constitution was copied from british
Of course british was gotten from Christian/Judaism laws and likewise other european nations, also likewise america......etc

The list goes on...
Good and evil stems from religion

Overtime, arguments from liberals is what has even made some little changes...
Atheism has no business with good and evil.

hopefulLandlord:


I asked for the Chinese too for a reason

atheism has no business with "absolute morality", know the difference

felixomor:


But wait, are u aware china and other asian likes has produced some of the worst atheist mass murderers in human history?

DoctorAlien:
No "atheist" has been able to give us the reason why rape or murder is bad absolutely. Could it be that they are not really moral subjectivists as they claim?

hopefulLandlord:


I asked a simple question

don't throw red herrings