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Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 6:03pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:You still don't get it. OMG I am not arguing against freewill, as I mentioned a "transcendental mind", I would be contradicting myself if I do so. I said there is no evidence of interaction. Please read again and stop posting nonsense. |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:14pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
4kings: You said there is no evidence supporting a Personal God 4kings: ![]() ![]() Anyway , there are a thousand and one evidences that God interacts with men . The problem with you atheists is that you never want to consider the evidence brought forward. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:21pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
4kings: Prophets in Judaism were known to be very powerful and performed miracles - Elijah , Elisha etc . They rejected Christ's divinity in the sense that those miracles and extraordinary acts performed by Christ do not prove that He is God. Some ebionites accept the virgin birth and resurrection while some don't . Powerful prophets like Elijah and Enoch were taken to Heaven by God so they must have believed that Christ's resurrection and ascension do not actually prove that Christ is God . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by dalaman: 6:33pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Where is the objective and incontrovertible evidence supporting the God of the bible as the only personal God around. Where is it? |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 6:40pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:You sly guy why are you misrepresenting what I posted. ![]() I'm not an atheist ![]() Please share your personal experience, for It to be considered. Oh, I just remembered that I've asked you this before, and you couldn't, you only rely on "what other people said". ![]() ![]() |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 6:40pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:This is the first time I'm hearing this. Please do post your source. From what I've read oo. Ebionites did not believe in virgin birth and the resurrection. They considered Jesus as a man, that's why I said, a rabbi was probably decorated too much by the Romans. ![]() If the ebionites didn't believe in Jesus divinity, then this should be evidence of eyewitness of another man or no eyewitness of Jesus. Another would be that this were just popular fiction at that time. They clearly were worshipping "Yahweh", therefore you would be considered heretic for believing that a mere man is your salvation, as propagated by the Romans. |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 6:42pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
dalaman:I wonder ooo |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:43pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
4kings: I just gave surmises to why they rejected Jesus' divinity since the movement began just few years after Jesus died. Let me reiterate : prophets performed miracles and wondrous acts , Jesus did same ; Two prophets were taken to Heaven by God , Jesus did same through his ascension ; Its a somewhat common miracle for the dead to be raised by a prophet , perhaps they thought , God raised Jesus from the dead too - a manifestation of God's power in both cases ;Rabbis were great men who taught the word of God , Jesus did same ; Prophets conversed directly with God especially Moses , Jesus had the same experience. These possibilities may have been the reasons why they rejected Christ's divinity .To them ,possibly , similar occurrences have happened in the pasts with other prophets so why should Jesus be an exception . The nature of Christ's teaching , they thought possibly , could be by an inspiration from God . And for the virgin birth which Christ came to this world through could be a special way , they must have thought (the once that accept it) , of bringing the Messiah . Remember they accept Christ as the Messiah but not as God . The patent conclusion is that miracles ,wondrous acts , resurrection and ascension were indeed performed and underwent by Christ but the Ebionites must have felt that they isn't a strong distinction between a supposed 'Son of God' and the Prophets of God . |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:54pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
dalaman: Sir , I have told you that the Christian theism is one of the numerous conceptions of God. In Christianity like in Judaism , God is both an impersonal and personal God . |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by dalaman: 9:11pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: You talked about evidence and I asked for it. |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:15pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
4kings: Can you quote where I said this ? |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:21pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
@ Dalaman Sir , your signature says: religion started when man had enough intellect to form profound questions but not enough to find answers for them ; considering that atheists in the ancient times believed the universe was eternal including matter ,they also had ridiculous beliefs about the ingredients that make up all substances in the universe , should we say that atheism was born out of ignorance and that theists were right about the universe with a finite past and the contingency argument ? |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:21pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
dalaman: I'm coming . |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by dalaman: 10:55pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: ![]() |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:02pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
dalaman: Considering that first atheists in the ancient times believed the universe was eternal including matter ,they also had ridiculous beliefs about the ingredients that make up all substances in the universe , should we say that atheism was born out of ignorance ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:58pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
More contributions please |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 4:18pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:I don't know why you think "miracle" is an issue here. Rabbis in those days performed miracles, I think I've read about one healing a sick daughter of a king and some reviving the dead. Alexander the Great was thought to have parted the sea like Moses and won elephant battles. I think Tacitus also wrote about an adventurer rising from the dead. And many others... Let me not say another word, I think you get my point already... ![]() ![]() ![]() By the way, Messiah during that time just meant "The Annointed" King or Priest, no ebionite believed in Virgin birth(that was the Roman's Idea) and they didn't believe in the resurrection and ascension stories. And you are accepting Paul's(who never met Jesus) and the Romans & Eusebius lies, to the true believers ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:24pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
4kings: I have this feeling that you detest God and Christianity . And you would say anything no matter how unreasonable to defend your position . Can you prove the resurrection was the idea of the Romans ?
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Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:28pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
4kings: How is this my business ? Or how does it affect my Christian faith ? Didn't the rods of the Egyptian magicians also turn to snakes to contend with Moses' miracle ? Didn't Simon the Magician attempt levitating as documented in the history books ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:31pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
4kings: Paul the Apostle was alive during the ministry of Jesus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle Wow . Just wow ! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 7:39pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:What's the meaning of this ![]() Anyway, I know you are "seeing things" as usual, because of Lack of Evidence... ![]() ![]() Paul Never Met Jesus one on one(even a gathering where he taught possibly) to discuss spiritual issues, if you still don't get it, well... ![]() KingEbukasBlog:Simply because I doubt the stories of the Bible means I hate God. Woww, I think this has gotten too far... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The pic you posted does not indicate that those that believed in the resurrection were "ebionite", the writer clearly did not know what to call them. However , a direct link to those who actually believed this would be helpful here, and not writings from someone in Wikipedia. ![]() I think the bible said many people saw Jesus ascend to Heaven, if this is the case and the Ebionites were alive during Jesus days, then the resurrection would not be an issue. ![]() ![]() KingEbukasBlog:Wowww, you didn't get my message, now I'm a little bit surprised. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:12pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
4kings: Yikes ! Christ said that He has sent the Holy Spirit to help guide us as He was departing . Christ does not need to discuss spiritual matters with Paul before He could understand . Besides its possible that Paul experienced many Christophanies but the bible documented just two . The evidence is glaring that Christ did exist and performed all miracles , died ,resurrected and ascended . Paul made the explication in 1 Corinthians 15 where He also mentioned James as one of the people Christ appeared to after His resurrection . He must have conversed with James. 4kings: You doubt bible stories for the wackest reasons and the story you seem to accept has less credibility than the myth of Narcissus ![]() The pic you posted does not indicate that those that believed in the resurrection were "ebionite", the writer clearly did not know what to call them. However , a direct link to those who actually believed this would be helpful here, and not writings from someone in Wikipedia. It clearly said that some Ebionites believed while some didn't. The last time you posted a link to me as your source , it was from an atheist's site ![]() 4kings: What message ? ![]() ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 10:21pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Just like many factions of Christianity in history experienced "Christophanies" ![]() ![]() BTW, this is the first time I'm seeing this word. Na wa oo What EVIDENCE!!! ![]() Paul made the explication in 1 Corinthians 15 where He also mentioned James as one of the people Christ appeared to after His resurrection . He must have conversed with James.I'm wondering what this changes. ![]() What if I said that passage Is open to different interpretations like docetism or Gnosticism(psychic to Pneumatic by getting Gnosis) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Maybe you should try to debunk my reasons then. ![]() And can you give an example of these "stories" I ACCEPT.
Lets analyze this, please do cite an example of atheist (irrational)claims that I quickly accepted. Atheism does not have doctrines, so whenever an atheist says something(irrational) and I accept it, then please correct me if my reasoning is wrong(remember I'm open-minded ![]() What link are you talking about? I can remember giving you a Christian link on Zuckerberg's issue. Anyways, as far as the link doesn't say nonsense, then it's alright. ![]() BTW, read that Wikipedia page again, the author was clearly not sure if they were indeed Ebionites.
![]() ![]() I was almost disappointed. So do you believe those stories? |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by MrMontella(m): 10:42pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:your hate for atheism may put you in a really bad position one day |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by MrMontella(m): 10:44pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
4kings:paul didnt even believe in a virgin birth... I just they laff modern day christians 1 Like |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by 4kings: 10:49pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
MrMontella:I know that one too... Ebuka no dey hear word. |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by MrMontella(m): 10:57pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
4kings: 1 Like
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Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:58pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
4kings: Because many factions claim to have seen Christophanies therefore every experience is false ? I dey hail your freethinking oo ![]() 4kings: I gave you a link where scholars and intellectuals from different top universities gave their contributions to support the evidence for Christ's life on earth and you said it was an appeal to authority ? I didn't bother responding to that because I felt it was a joke ![]() 4kings: Exactly ! This is what I'm talking about . You won't show any modicum of skepticism on whatever that piques your interest like Gnosticism but you quickly attack anything as false that impugns your position. 4kings: I'm giving you strong evidence that requires you to make quick connections and discover the truth . I gave an example of Paul who was Christ's coeval ; he conversed with the Apostles whom Christ appeared to and he also had similar experiences I also mentioned the Ebionites and Nazarenes : these sects quickly emerged after Christ's death . The Nazarenes accept the Virgin Birth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarene_(sect) and according to this link half of the Ebionite accepted the Virgin Birth . 4kings: Mark Zuckerberg's on his rejection of atheism . You just didn't want to accept that he was a theist from the onset . 4kings: And you have many opinions that resonate with atheism ? Oh 4kings , praise ye nothingness for that 4kings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarene_(sect) This link repeated the same thing : half of the Ebionites accepted the virgin birth 4kings: Can you prove those stories were not true ? Or are you gona appeal to common sense ? You have a wont for committing logical fallacies . ![]() |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:00pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
MrMontella: your hate for God may put you in a really bad position one day |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:07pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
4kings: MrMontella: Philippians 2:6-7 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,[a] 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[b] being born in the likeness of men. This is Paul's implicit affirmation of the Virgin Birth in his letter to the Philippians . Paul assented the pre-existence of Christ "who thought he was in form of God ... but emptied himself by taking a form of a servant being born in the likeness of men ." If there was no Virgin Birth then how did Christ who was God take the form of man ? Through Joseph's own seed ? ![]() ![]() Use your head ! Think before you post ! ![]() ![]() You have the OFC -the part of your brain that says no to impulses ; allow it to function . ![]() |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:16pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
MrMontella: There is evidence for the existence of God . Please make your researches on the complexity of life alone and then ask yourself if you are in your right senses to deny the existence of God . Please don't respond with 'who designed the designer' BS as if that has anything to do with acknowledging that indeed the complexity of life should be attributed to an eternal designer . Atheist logic : because we can't understand the complexity of the eternal designer , therefore the life and the universe were not designed. ![]() |
Re: Religious Atheism EXPOSED : God Without Religion and Religion Without God by MrMontella(m): 11:20pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:you were interracting with a known deist..yet...atheism couldnt evaporate from your mind for once..and you finally happily called him an atheist... |
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