Senegal to lead ECOWAS troops as Nigeria seeks logistics support from the UK.

In an unprecedented fashion within the ECOWAS regional bloc were Nigeria has always played the leading role in military campaign in Africa, the Gambian crisis offers a different challenge.

As thousands of Gambians begin to flee the country amidst increasing fears neighbouring West African states would invade the country after President Yahya Jammeh refuses to relinquish power after losing election last month.

Nigeria has asked the British government whose Military has been training some battalions of the Nigerian army in logistics to combatting boko haram for assistance in planning a "rapid reaction" military invasion into Gambia to install Adama Barrow.

Senagal is likely to lead the proposed West African mission even though Nigeria would be providing the bulk of the troops.

Sources indicate Nigeria has readied 800 strongmen battalion for the mission to Gambia which has just 900 soldiers.

The Gambia has seen top cabinet members resign like ministers of information and foreign affairs as some soldiers were also seen drinking in jubilation at Jammah's electoral woes.

Source: https://leslieodega.

Wo-re-fa

Somebody that cannot even lead his cabinet members to perform well wants to lead ECOWAS troop to Gambia? Giant of Africa indeed.

Abeg make we rest jare.

Gambia is basically inside senegal so Senegal should lead naturally

Senegal, don't destroy yourself,if at all Nigeria is battling with recession but not Senegal,in everything Nigeria is father to Senegal.

Senegal has no military experience or resources to lead such a mission.

Mynd44:
Gambia is basically inside senegal so Senegal should lead naturally

Senegal leading will cause a mistrust for the Gambians because many will view it as another form of colonialism

Timelezz:
Senegal has no military experience or resources to lead such a mission.

Senegal has one of the best economy in Francophone West Africa. The French will always be there to support them indirectly because France will also see it as an opportunity to gain a strong foothold in Gambia.


Remember a Frienly Gambia to Senegal will promote better trade for France.


The British don't care about Gambia because there is no Oil to exploit nor gold to steal

Make we off the fire in our own house first.

Fedayeen02:
Senegal has one of the best economy in Francophone West Africa. The French will always be there to support them indirectly because France will also see it as an opportunity to gain a strong foothold in Gambia.


Remember a Frienly Gambia to Senegal will promote better trade for France.


The British don't care about Gambia because there is no Oil to exploit nor gold to steal

France traditionally does not meddle into Anglophone West Africa.
And the Senegalese economy is laughable being that Ghana which has a pretty $50 billion dolar GDP is economically stronger than Senegal.

Nigeria has always shouldered over 60 % of ECOWAS burden and providing 800 soldiers should entitle them to command the mission.

I am not mentioning its vast experience in missions like this.

Timelezz:


France traditionally does not meddle into Anglophone West Africa.
And the Senegalese economy is laughable being that Ghana which has a pretty $50 billion dolar GDP is economically stronger than Senegal.

Nigeria has always shouldered over 60 % of ECOWAS burden and providing 800 soldiers should entitle them to command the mission.

I am not mentioning its vast experience in missions like this.

France meddles in everything Africa because if you can't protect Francophone countries interest then the Anglophone countries will take the lead.

A case in point is Nigeria Civil War



Ghana has a strong military force

Fedayeen02:
France meddles in everything Africa because if you can't protect Francophone countries interest then the Anglophone countries will take the lead.

A case in point is Nigeria Civil War



Ghana has a strong military force

The Nigerian civil war was of interest to all of the West and even Russia.

I think France would favour a disintegrated Nigeria whom she sees a hegemonic threat in the subregion.

Ghana has NO military of note.

Timelezz:
Senegal has no military experience or resources to lead such a mission.

Thats not true. Senegal has advanced military equipment and their forces have conflict experience, having combated an insurgency in it's south.

Fedayeen02:
Senegal leading will cause a mistrust for the Gambians because many will view it as another form of colonialism

Wrong.

1. Gambians view Senegalese as a brothers.

2. The Senegalese have intervened in a gambian crisis before successfully

3. How can it be colonialism when they are merely helping to install a gambian government?

SmartyPants:


Thats not true. Senegal has advanced military equipment and their forces have conflict experience, having combated an insurgency in it's south.

Senegal has no statistically available records of good military equipment and apart from a couple of attack helicopters.

The best Senegalese military experience has Always been in support role.

Timelezz:


The Nigerian civil war was of interest to all of the West and even Russia.

I think France would favour a disintegrated Nigeria whom she sees a hegemonic threat in the subregion.

Ghana has NO military of note.

guess what!.. Youre officially a fan, Keep it up

iamord:

guess what!.. Youre officially a fan, Keep it up

Yes I'm a fan of a country who isn't ranked even top 17 in African military

Timelezz:


Senegal has no statistically available records of good military equipment and apart from a couple of attack helicopters.

The best Senegalese military experience has Always been in support role.

Well lets start from guns. i can at least tell you their troops use M16's as opposed to the standard issue AK47 that most African armies use.

SmartyPants:


Well lets start from guns. i can at least tell you their troops use M16's as opposed to the standard issue AK47 that most African armies use.

Ok, so M16 makes them more equipped than Chad?

Timelezz:
Ok, so M16 makes them more equipped than than Chad?

I hope you are not one of those fat people who spend all their time online and have no idea how to relate with humans?

It was clear from my post that i said lets start with guns not that the guns are the sole differentiator.

SmartyPants:


[s]I hope you are not one of those fat people who spend all their time online and have no idea how to relate with humans?[/s]

Keep the debate open and devoid of insults. 'Fat people' and 'humans' as used by you in a contradictory context shows a grudge with Mr. Logic on your part.

SmartyPants:


It was clear from my post that i said lets start with guns not that the guns are the sole differentiator.

I am still perplexed you're listing M16 at all even if you're just using it as a preamble.

No institutional listings or military authority has listed senegal in the top 30 military position in Africa. None.

In west African , Senegal isn't even amongst the top in military listings.

As mynd44 said, their leadership role in the operation is strictly down to proximity to Gambia and not to any other factor as you may want us to believe.

It would ease logistics, cost and operation.

End of story.

Timelezz:
Keep the debate open and devoid of insults. 'Fat people' and 'humans' as used by you in a contradictory context shows a grudge with Mr. Logic on your part.



I am still perplexed you're listing M16 at all even if you're just using it as a preamble.

No institutional listings or military authority has listed senegal in the top 30 military position in Africa. None.

I'm west African , Senegal isn't even amongst the top in military listings.

As mynd44 said, their leadership role in the operation is strictly down to proximity to Gambia.

End of story.

You are shifting the goal posts. The question was never one of whether or not Senegal has the best or better armies in the region. You flat out said they have no equipment nor expertise and i simply pointed out to you that this is not true.

I went on to make the case that for starters, they use better rifles than 95% of the rest of West Africa (5% is just allowance for doubt) which shows you that they do invest in military hardware.I specifically spoke of rifles because i have been to Senegal and i have seen their troops with rifles and in their apc's on their way back from a training exercise.

If you can't see how the quality of rifles issued to troops are an important metric when discussing the quality of a military, then you need to excuse yourself from any thread where military matters are being discussed.

and btw, i only used fat as an adjective to describe a personna.. You are the one who seems to think "fat" is an insult.

Timelezz:
Yes I'm a fan of a country who isn't ranked even too 17 in African military

exactly my point! you are a fan!.. i must say i admirer your zeal to always project ghana in your post, with such zeal and dexterity!.. you are a faithful..your have sacrificed priceless time that on a normal day would have been used for something productive and worthwhile , trying to enlighten your people more about the affairs of ghana, You go bro!... i just hope you get paid for it, but here is a lil pep talk... try to channel your energy to more resourceful things like being of use to solving your country's never ending problems, the world is used to being in shock and dismay at the activities of the army and country in general, as if that's not enough we now have a well brewed airforce, tactically ..or should i put it as the official statement said it.."mistakenly" bombing helpless displaced civilians, my heart goes out to them. these are the people, they need you to to tell them that that it is just a dream and hopefully to remove their consciousness from the nigerian reality they find themselves in.. this are the people that need your sermon.

SmartyPants:


You are shifting the goal posts. The question was never one of whether or not Senegal has the best or better armies in the region. You flat out said they have no equipment nor expertise and i simply pointed out to you that this is not true.

I went on to make the case that for starters, they use better rifles than 95% of the rest of West Africa (5% is just allowance for doubt) which shows you that they do invest in military hardware.I specifically spoke of rifles because i have been to Senegal and i have seen their troops with rifles and in their apc's on their way back from a training exercise.

If you can't see how the quality of rifles issued to troops are an important metric when discussing the quality of a military, then you need to excuse yourself from any thread where military matters are being discussed.

and btw, i only used fat as an adjective to describe a personna.. You are the one who seems to think "fat" is an insult.

You're confusing yourself. And I still repeat Senegal does not have the experience or battle readiness of small Chad. Neither do they have the equipment you talk about. Except you're comparing them to Gambia.



This is an army Saudi Arabia has been using to guard pilgrimage sites for years.

Has Senegal led any international troops in any combative operation? Answer is no. Do they have real combat experience and readiness like Chad or Nigeria ?
Answer is still no. How many Senegalese troop has seen real combat?
Please don't all peacekeeping missions here.

You are prating about M16 as if it's the default riffle the average Senegalese army carries
That's not true. Only a tiny amount of Senegalese troops carry M16
Their APC include 8: Casspir
26: Ratel-20
6: HM-2 105 mm and 6: M116 75 mm pack for the whole military.

You're a tourist who fell in love with Senegal.

You should be talking about Darka rally, you sound like an African describing a blizzard to an Eskimo when you prate about military affairs!

iamord:
exactly my point! you are a fan!.. i must say i admirer your zeal to always project ghana in your post, with such zeal and dexterity!.. you are a faithful..your have sacrificed priceless time that on a normal day would have been used for something productive and worthwhile , trying to enlighten your people more about the affairs of ghana, You go bro!... i just hope you get paid for it, but here is a lil pep talk... try to channel your energy to more resourceful things like being of use to solving your country's never ending problems, the world is used to being in shock and dismay at the activities of the army and country in general, as if that's not enough we now have a well brewed airforce, tactically ..or should i put it as the official statement said it.."mistakenly" bombing helpless displaced civilians, my heart goes out to them. these are the people, they need you to to tell them that that it is just a dream and hopefully to remove their consciousness from the nigerian reality they find themselves in.. this are the people that need your sermon.

LOL ! This just reminds me of the wailings of my biitch. She kept crying and insisting I'm in love with her even when she knows I only ring her up for the brutal fück-ride

Timelezz:
LOL ! This just reminds me of the wailings of my biitch. She kept crying and insisting I'm in love with her even when she knows I only ring her up for the brutal fück-ride

just hear yourself, a grown up man sounding like some puzzy boi, how does this crap correlate with the reality of all what i said.??

Timelezz:
Senegal to lead ECOWAS troops as Nigeria seeks logistics support from the UK.

In an unprecedented fashion within the ECOWAS regional bloc were Nigeria has always played the leading role in military campaign in Africa, the Gambian crisis offers a different challenge.

As thousands of Gambians begin to flee the country amidst increasing fears neighbouring West African states would invade the country after President Yahya Jammeh refuses to relinquish power after losing election last month.

Nigeria has asked the British government whose Military has been training some battalions of the Nigerian army in logistics to combatting boko haram for assistance in planning a "rapid reaction" military invasion into Gambia to install Adama Barrow.

Senagal is likely to lead the proposed West African mission even though Nigeria would be providing the bulk of the troops.

Sources indicate Nigeria has readied 800 strongmen battalion for the mission to Gambia which has just 900 soldiers.

The Gambia has seen top cabinet members resign like ministers of information and foreign affairs as some soldiers were also seen drinking in jubilation at Jammah's electoral woes.

Source: https://leslieodega.

Timelezz:
You're confusing yourself. And I still repeat Senegal does not have the experience or battle readiness of small Chad. Neither do they have the equipment you talk about. Except you're comparing them to Gambia.



This is an army Saudi Arabia has been using to guard pilgrimage sites for years.

Has Senegal led any international troops in any combative operation? Answer is no. Do they have real combat experience and readiness like Chad or Nigeria ?
Answer is still no. How many Senegalese troop has seen real combat?
Please don't all peacekeeping missions here.

You are prating about M16 as if it's the default riffle the average Senegalese army carries
That's not true. Only a tiny amount of Senegalese troops carry M16
Their APC include 8: Casspir
26: Ratel-20
6: HM-2 105 mm and 6: M116 75 mm pack for the whole military.

You're a tourist who fell in love with Senegal.

You should be talking about Darka rally, you sound like an African describing a blizzard to an Eskimo when you prate about military affairs!

Mynd44:
Gambia is basically inside senegal so Senegal should lead naturally

a little history lesson for you guys.
it is not the Nigerian thing to lead military interventions in West Africa, and the Nigerian Government tries very much to avoid it. A big power like Nigeria leading a Military intervention in Gambia would cause distrust and a feeling of insecurity amongst our smaller West African allies, they do be like " so if we just get small fu#k up na so these guys go handle our matter. it is a better show of leadership that we handled the diplomatic intervention. let's leave Military intervention for Senegal.
BTW we never led the ecomog mission to Liberia at first. the Ghanaians led it, but they had to step down cus Nigeria was providing the bulk of the funding and troops. and I think we may soon see that replay itself in the Gambian case.

overhypedsteve:
a little history lesson for you guys.
it is not the Nigerian thing to lead military interventions in West Africa, and the Nigerian Government tries very much to avoid it. A big power like Nigeria leading a Military intervention in Gambia would cause distrust and a feeling of insecurity amongst our smaller West African allies, they do be like " so if we just get small fu#k up na so these guys go handle our matter. it is a better show of leadership that we handled the diplomatic intervention. let's leave Military intervention for Senegal.
BTW we never led the ecomog mission to Liberia at first. the Ghanaians led it, but they had to step down cus Nigeria was providing the bulk of the funding and troops. and I think we may soon see that replay itself in the Gambian case.

Steve o. Never saw it from this perspective, bro.

But I get the picture. More like the big 5 in Africa having a "gentleman agreement" not to assume the leadership position in the AU.

I think it makes sense. And it's been a while since we met at "Who has the strongest military in Africa".

Thanks alot.

iamord:
just hear yourself, a grown up man sounding like some puzzy boi, how does this crap correlate with the reality of all what i said.??

My post is called an "allusion".

You're supposed to connect he dots.

But I wasn't expecting you. Plain john!

Timelezz:
You're confusing yourself. And I still repeat Senegal does not have the experience or battle readiness of small Chad. Neither do they have the equipment you talk about. Except you're comparing them to Gambia.



This is an army Saudi Arabia has been using to guard pilgrimage sites for years.

Has Senegal led any international troops in any combative operation? Answer is no. Do they have real combat experience and readiness like Chad or Nigeria ?
Answer is still no. How many Senegalese troop has seen real combat?
Please don't all peacekeeping missions here.

You are prating about M16 as if it's the default riffle the average Senegalese army carries
That's not true. Only a tiny amount of Senegalese troops carry M16
Their APC include 8: Casspir
26: Ratel-20
6: HM-2 105 mm and 6: M116 75 mm pack for the whole military.

You're a tourist who fell in love with Senegal.

You should be talking about Darka rally, you sound like an African describing a blizzard to an Eskimo when you prate about military affairs!

There was a reason I asked if you are socially challenged... I know your type very well. You are not interested I arriving at the truth instead you will quickly google one ir two facts, hide behind them to string out a reel of false conclusions and hope they pass unnoticed.

I don't have time for this.

1. You are such a liar. Senegalese military standard issue is M16

2. Senegal has had an insurrgency for years. What exactly do you mean by "actual conbat experience? They also fought in the gulf war and have successfully put down a rebellion in Gambia before

You like to sound like an expert but you know nothing

SmartyPants:

There was a reason I asked if you are socially challenged... I know your type very well. You are not interested I arriving at the truth instead you will quickly google one ir two facts, hide behind them to string out a reel of false conclusions and hope they pass unnoticed.

I don't have time for this.

1. You are such a liar. Senegalese military standard issue is M16

2. Senegal has had an insurrgency for years. What exactly do you mean by "actual conbat experience? They also fought in the gulf war and have successfully put down a rebellion in Gambia before

You like to sound like an expert but you know nothing

Stop being emotional, little butthurt.
1) In which gulf war did Senegal fight? Can you provide any link to this?


2) Senegalese military do not make use of M116 as their standard riffle. Only some do.
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32272/

Stop blaming the internet for exposing your quackery.

Logic presupposes that when it becomes my words vs yours, you put out sources to back and substantiate your claims. That is what I have done.

If your claims are not the wishful , hallucinatory voices whispering to you in a feverish delirium then proof it with sources.

There's are many dopeys running around with chronic cyber-maladaptation and one is never certain who one is dealing with. That's why I am asking you to proof beyond doubt you aren't one of them.

Senegal has insurgency for years? Are you talking about the Casamance conflict? Hahaha, in the archives of military and historian journals it is recorded that's a mid-level conflict.

Siting that truly proves you're a square peg in a round hole.

The fact remains Saudi arabia uses Senegalese military for guard duties. Only in Nairaland will someone like you be seen strutting around with collosal ignorance posing as a military debater.

And please, check your records the armies of Chad, Ivory Coast, Ghana in West Africa are rated far more than that of Senegalese.

Stop trying to impress your Senegalese girlfriend.
End of story.

Timelezz:


Stop being emotional, little butthurt.
1) In which gulf war did Senegal fight? Can you provide any link to this?


2) Senegalese military do not make use of M116 as their standard riffle. Only some do.
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32272/

Stop blaming the internet for exposing your quackery.

Logic presupposes that when it becomes my words vs yours, you put out sources to back and substantiate your claims. That is what I have done.

If your claims are not the wishful , hallucinatory voices whispering to you in a feverish delirium then proof it with sources.

There's are many dopeys running around with chronic cyber-maladaptation and one is never certain who one is dealing with. That's why I am asking you to proof beyond doubt you aren't one of them.

Senegal has insurgency for years? Are you talking about the Casamance conflict? Hahaha, in the archives of military and historian journals it is recorded that's a mid-level conflict.

Siting that truly proves you're a square peg in a round hole.

The fact remains Saudi arabia uses Senegalese military for guard duties. Only in Nairaland will someone like you be seen strutting around with collosal ignorance posing as a military debater.

And please, check your records the armies of Chad, Ivory Coast, Ghana in West Africa are rated far more than that of Senegalese.

Stop trying to impress your Senegalese girlfriend.
End of story.

You are really an amazing specimen. I said what i said to prevent passers by from being misled by you so i won't continue speaking with you now that anyone who cares to know, knows not to believe you.

For the last time, i never said the Senegalese military is better than any other. I simply corrected your false assertion that they have no equipment or combat experience. This makes any conversation where comparisons are made, a complete non-starter because that was never the argument.

To show you how lost you are, the link you posted to counter my point about the M16's says nothing whatsoever about rifles! Okay you tell me, genius, what is the Senegalese standard issue rifle? I can't wait to hear more amazing stuff from you. I have all the links to prove what i said but i won't provide them for you.

Things i see on this place.

SmartyPants:


You are really an amazing specimen. I said what i said to prevent passers by from being misled by you so i won't continue speaking with you now that anyone who cares to know, knows not to believe you.

For the last time, i never said the Senegalese military is better than any other. I simply corrected your false assertion that they have no equipment or combat experience. This makes any conversation where comparisons are made, a complete non-starter because that was never the argument.

To show you how lost you are, the link you posted to counter my point about the M16's says nothing whatsoever about rifles! Okay you tell me, genius, what is the Senegalese standard issue rifle? I can't wait to hear more amazing stuff from you. I have all the links to prove what i said but i won't provide them for you.
Things i see on this place.

Take a look at the reddened statement from you! That's you still contradicting yourself embarrassingly.
You say you're bent on proving me a liar so that passers-by wont take my words.

Yet you say you won't show me evidence. So it's about me not the passers-by you so loved! Oya, show your passers-by proof nah .

You're a small-time clown in an imaginary circus show.

Please Senegal also uses the K2 assault rifle from south Korea. That's why I said the m16 isn't their only riffle like you claimed.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=260

I repeat the Senegalese army has no experience or training more than Chad. Senegalese army are palace guards to Saudi Arabia.

The Camamance conflict was a mid level conflict.

Please show your passers-by where Senegal fought in the gulf war.
You're irretrievably beyond mental redemption!!!

I have successfully proved that Senegal doesn't make use of M16 as their standard riffle.

I have despatched evidence they are used as pilgrim site guards.

They are not battle hardened and also are ranked lower behind several African countries. Stop shifting the post.

Tell us how they fought in the gulf war
Tell us they don't use K2 assault rifle from South Korea.

Stop trying to impress your Senegalese babe on Seun's platform.

You pathetic tourist posing as a military expert!!!