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Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 12:38am On Jan 23, 2017 |
petra1:Yhs 1 Cor. 16:1 |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 12:46am On Jan 23, 2017 |
petra1:You're desperately so predictable When was and where was the insult? petra1:It's you who needs to deal with your bible references because you were asked: Do you have any other bible verse(s) except for Luke 11:42 witnessing and corroborating this delusion of yours that Jesus encouraged tithing? Like I said earlier, I dont think you'll have. petra1:Kikikikiki. Ice will form in hell before you'll ever get round to giving a non-existent another which will corroborate Luke 11:42 petra1:Me? Deal with a wild goose chase?. I can't do that. Thank you 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 12:47am On Jan 23, 2017 |
Junia: Are you afraid to answer? Just be honest . Answer Yes or no |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 12:52am On Jan 23, 2017 |
petra1:I thought i said yes and gave a reference to my giving |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Doyin2(m): 12:52am On Jan 23, 2017 |
Some Christians and stupidity are like sesame twins. Stupidity is when you think to give to God is to give to your pastor, rather than the poor,the church and the society. Stupidity is when you think giving to the church is the same as giving to the pastor to become wealthy at the expense of his followers. Stupidity is when you think God really needs your help through tithe.The essence of tithe is to help your self(through more blessings from God),the church and humanity,a sort of wealth redistribution. GOD is above tithe!!!!!! Jesus never acquired wealth through tithe. Only an idiot does not know that the pastors of today acquir wealth through tithes! Any tithe that does not majorly go to the church,the needy and the poor is a Scam! The pastor is only a fractional part of the church,neither is he God. Therefore,giving tithe to the church or GOd is not the same as giving tithe to your pastor! The pastor should only enjoy a fractional part of tithes,a sort of welfare package. A pastor could be likened to an employee of the church,therefore, any pastor that is richer than the church, is a scammer,a thief! 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by DeKen: 1:04am On Jan 23, 2017 |
BERNIMOORE:I'm not a pastor. You don't need to bear false witness against anyone to say your mind. That you have a different opinion or understanding does not require taking things personal. If by discussing the word of God makes one a pastor, then you must be a Pastor too. Respect the title and behave accordingly. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 1:05am On Jan 23, 2017 |
I am a Christian and am worried how teachings on tithes are suddenly becoming issues. We should learn to follow examples of our Lord Jesus, the one who intercedes for us before God (after all we are called Christians because of Christ's mediation). He didn't condemn tithing because His father recommended it for that tribe that has no inheritance. What makes a Christian? fellowship, love and sharing as exemplified by the apostles. From the statement of our Lord, it's not the important issue, even though he hadn't resurrected as at the time He made that statement. Christians that have been engaging in that weren't coerced to do so, they did it because they saw it as a means for the propagation of the gospel. It only becomes a concern when pastors quote scriptures from the prophets and law as if that preaches the new covenant. I am not against "tithing". God will definitely reward cheerful givers. Sad enough I heard something unusual in service today about the fact that non-tithers will not inherit the kingdom of God. Where in the Bible did our Lord make such statements? Didn't He say being born again (reborn by His Spirit and forsaking sin) is the only way. There's a need for some of our preachers to watch what they say when they preach. Just because you are anointed doesn't mean you should add to what God hasn't said or remove from it, adding to your wrath on judgement day. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 1:05am On Jan 23, 2017 |
Junia:Mark my words and watch him, because he's going to come back with a bible version of 1 Corinthians 16:1 that incorrectly translates the word ''collection'' as offering and then excitedly say gotcha, offering is not redundant etcetera |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 1:10am On Jan 23, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Ok since we are learning tell me the difference |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 1:35am On Jan 23, 2017 |
Junia:A leopard can't/doesn't change its spots Since the leopard wont come clean about the difference, your wish is my command Collection, which is NT, is collecting of money, as in taking contribution for gospel purposes and the cause of God's work Offering as was in OT, are the five Levitical Offerings, which are the burnt offering, the meal offering, the peace offering, the sin offering and the trespass offering. Incidentally each of the offerings or sacrifices were uniquely fulfilled in Jesus Christ, so we dont have the need to offer or do them |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 1:56am On Jan 23, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Okay I also thought the name was used interchangeably and meant the same thing I just read about offering in the law and i have noticed there is a difference Now when im giving i will tell God that it is my portion of the collection and not offering 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 2:07am On Jan 23, 2017 |
Junia:You didn't say yes . I take it that you said yes . If you believe in giving offering . Was it not an institution under the law as well ? Why the attack on tithes only ? If we must follow your theology we should never give to God . We should not even obey God . Because obedience to God was an institution under the law. You can see the point. Tithes an offerings were by same principles . You can't take one and leave the other . |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by Nobody: 2:12am On Jan 23, 2017 |
petra1: Obedience is a law .. Yes But in the new covenant .. we are to love our neighbours as ourselves and love God also That is our commandment under grace We are not to obey anything in the law And if you obey the commandment under grace You will certainly obey God to proof your love No tithe .. no offering but Collection Going to bed Lets continue later God bless you 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by openmine(m): 2:17am On Jan 23, 2017 |
DeKen: the bold part is only valid as long as the law still exists...and as long as dere r still "levites" and a "physical temple".....do u still partake in burnt offerings cos Dats also "a statute forever throughout your generations".... |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 2:21am On Jan 23, 2017 |
openmine: Tithes and offerings are eternal principles . There's a temple in heaven . And in the new world there will be offerings |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 2:25am On Jan 23, 2017 |
Junia: The law reveals Gods principle . The law is a documentation of rights and wrongs . Knowledge of such is important. No tithe .. no offering but Collection And what is the collection called? No bi offering? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 2:32am On Jan 23, 2017 |
petra1:When he said, yes, that was in reference believing in giving collection petra1:He is having neither of tithes or offerings Collection, which is NT, is collecting of money, as in taking contribution for gospel purposes and the cause of God's work Offering as was in OT, are the five Levitical Offerings, which are the burnt offering, the meal offering, the peace offering, the sin offering and the trespass offering. Incidentally each of the offerings or sacrifices were uniquely fulfilled in Jesus Christ, so we dont have the need to do any of the offerings On Calvary, Jesus is our Peace Offering, is our Guilt or Sin Offering, is our Burnt Offering, is our Trespass Offering and Meal Offering |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 2:32am On Jan 23, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: You have good memory. But don't try to biase the purity of another mans conscience. Let him seek truth for himself . And don't try to win argument. Seek truth and Let truth Prevail |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 2:34am On Jan 23, 2017 |
petra1:Unfortunately no |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 2:42am On Jan 23, 2017 |
petra1:The glory goes to God petra1:He has been doing the Berean all along and already He knows the truth, and is broken free from the shackles of tithe marketeers |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 2:43am On Jan 23, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Kindly allow him to speak for himself . It's evident you're putting words in his mouth. Collection, which is NT, is collecting of money, as in taking contribution for gospel purposes and the cause of God's work And was the collection not an offering ? Offering as was in OT, are the five Levitical Offerings, Prayer was in OT also ,fasting was OT . Likewise honoring thy father and mother . which are the burnt offering, the meal offering, the peace offering, the sin offering and the trespass offering. You missed the wave offering ,heave offering . Incidentally each of the offerings or sacrifices were uniquely fulfilled in Jesus Christ, so we dont have the need to do any of the offerings Offering as an institution will always be part of worship of God. Old ,new and future dispensation |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 2:46am On Jan 23, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Then he has right to excercise his conviction without being a spoke mouth of another or another acting as his mouth piece |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by OlaoChi: 2:47am On Jan 23, 2017 |
CecyAdrian:I think reasonable person will take you black christian more seriously than a Rabbi who is into the jewish traditions ( the issue of tithes being a jewish tradition) the jews have made it clear that Tithes are for the Levites because they owned no lands and were mainly priests, your pastors are not levites but black men Christianity is a fraud! |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 2:48am On Jan 23, 2017 |
OlaoChi: Abraham wasn't a Jew . Tithes and offerings are kingdom principles |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 3:00am On Jan 23, 2017 |
petra1:Please for a moment, be at least honest, as I have not said any word(s), he hasnt previously or already said petra1:SMH. If I say you're incorrigible, you'll interpret it as insult petra1:SMH petra1:If I say you're now being pedantic, you'll interpret it as insult petra1:Offerring what gangan? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by freshcvvs: 3:03am On Jan 23, 2017 |
petra1: Question should be "why the addition"? |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 3:05am On Jan 23, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Just exercise spiritual fruit. It's a discussion. Not a fight . You wan fight for God? If I say you're now being pedantic, you'll interpret it as insult You mustn't speak if there nothing to say. Just study your bible . Offering what gangan? Whatever you give to God or in his name is an offering . |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 3:07am On Jan 23, 2017 |
freshcvvs: Addition of what? Other translations? So which one of them do you prefer? Kjv or rsv |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 3:09am On Jan 23, 2017 |
petra1:You got jokes, I tell ya. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by petra1(m): 3:15am On Jan 23, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: You're wrong. Even Paul himself called it offering Acts 24:17 (KJV Strong's) 17 Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings. |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 3:38am On Jan 23, 2017 |
petra1:and demolishing arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God petra1:Here we go again, you going off on a very nice divergence petra1:SMH. If you practice what you preach, you shouldnt have mentioned heave and wave offerings, when you had nothing to say because if you did do a proper study of your bible, you would have realised that heave offerring is closely associated with the burnt offerings, meal offerings and that wave offerring is closely associated with peace offering petra1:Your sense of entitlement to filthy lucre betrays you. A leopard can't/doesn't change its spots, when you say ''Whatever you give to God or in his name is an offering'', to you, the ''whatever'' in there, is cash, ego or money preferably in Pounds Sterling, Dollars or Euros |
Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 4:03am On Jan 23, 2017 |
petra1:So Paul went to the Temple the next day with the other men. They had already started the purification ritual, so he publicly announced the date when their vows would end and sacrifices would be offered for each of them - Acts 21:26 The Nazarite Vow 18The Nazirite shall then shave his dedicated head of hair at the doorway of the tent of meeting, and take the dedicated hair of his head and put it on the fire which is under the sacrifice of peace offerings. 19The priest shall take the ram's shoulder when it has been boiled, and one unleavened cake out of the basket and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them on the hands of the Nazirite after he has shaved his dedicated hair. 20'Then the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD. It is holy for the priest, together with the breast offered by waving and the thigh offered by lifting up; and afterward the Nazirite may drink wine. - Numbers 6:18-20 Why dont you try pulling my other leg. What is Paul calling offering here? I bet you want to say money, cash, kudi, etcetera, abi? For reasons best known to you, you are either playing being ignorant here or behaving in an untrustworthy or deceitful way Acts 21:26 and Numbers 6:18-20 above blows this wide open, and I wonder why you didnt notice Acts 24:18, where you easily would have found that Paul was mentioning being in a temple over a Nazarite Vow because the temple hasn't yet been destroyed. The “offerings” were the sacrifices which the Apostle was about to offer on the completion of the Nazarite vow with which he had associated himself. - Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers And offerings - The word used here properly denotes "an offering or gift" of any kind; but it is usually applied to an oblation or offering made to God in the temple - "a thank-offering, a sacrifice." This is probably its meaning here. He came to bring aid to his needy countrymen, and an offering to God; and it was, therefore, no part of his purpose to interfere with, or to profane the worship of the temple. - Barnes' Notes on the Bible |
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