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Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by hopefulLandlord: 12:11pm On May 15, 2017 |
onyenze123: seconded 1 Like |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 12:15pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular:Boo hoo. Dishonesty in medicine. If it was just one author publishing, then I might have considered your argument. But different authors across different journals hardly counts as dishonesty. You are yet to provide proof that they lied. All I have is your opinion of your own experience which don't count in the grand scheme of things. So I should discard 40 articles since 1982 for your own one case? Is that how it is done in medicine. This is just a variant of Appeal to common practice fallacy. Because some people cheat in journals, then all journals are worthless. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 12:16pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:People who matter. Of which you're not among. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:17pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Funny enough You dont have the 40 articles I can beat my chest on that. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:19pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: There is no organization called "people who matter" Besides acceptance of an observation, doesnt explain its mechanism. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by akintom(m): 12:20pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:You will be making sense, if you point out the contradictions. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:22pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom: You cant be unsure of something and totally rule out the possibility of another mutually exclusive event, at the same time. Its simple Logic |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 12:24pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:Not one journal, journals which are constantly updated and revised and whatever that is found to be false is removed. I can't say that about religious books though. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by akintom(m): 12:24pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor: You're not making any sense still. I numbered those points, quote the very numbers that are contradictory. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 12:25pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom: Your thesis sir is quite contradictory. Since you term number 6 as unknown how then can you be emphatic with your conclusion regarding prayer especially when Medicine is baffled by it? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:27pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: There are many dishonest conspiracies that have occurred in the past in science. Sometimes, it took decades before they were exposed. You are just too shallow to know these. because your science is dogma driven |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:29pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom: Why will it make sense to u? Please explain how points 4 and 5 co-exist? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by akintom(m): 12:30pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular: If you read the OP well, it's stated that, there were other revitalized dead, who were never prayed for. Again, there were dead (decapitated, disembowelled etc), that never revitalize despite ocean volume of prayers and fasting. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:32pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom:Even in the bible. Did prayer revitalize everything? Does prayer not have terms and conditions? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by akintom(m): 12:33pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:Do you have to always assume, that you're sensible? You're the one alleging contradictions, you will be making rational sense, if you explain how 4 contradict 5. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:34pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom: Gerrarahia abeg Thank God another person has even showed u sef. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by akintom(m): 12:36pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:This was not addressed to you. This your straying, is a symptom of been childish. Who cares about what your Bible says about prayer. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:38pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom:Oh so people can practice what they dont know its origin and expect it to work? Hian Hmmmm |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by akintom(m): 12:39pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:You thought you could carry out the hog wash, you perch on at the outset of this thread? Now that you can't defend your foolish accusations, you have resulted to your usual tantrums. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 12:40pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom: Your statement here is not an answer sir. I asked how you could be emphatic with an answer when you even termed your observation as unknown. You cannot offer a leaning conclusion on an issue that is inconclusive and unknown by and to everyone. That's gross dishonesty in observation sir. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:41pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom: Keep quiet, agbaya I explained that your point contradicted each other You said show the number, i did After that, u still kept fooling yourself. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by akintom(m): 12:43pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:You have never made sense in any discussion. Be it religious or scientific thread. The fact that you lied unashamed, makes your case nauseating. You alleged, yet you can't prove it. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:43pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular: Akintom, Are you hearing her? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 12:43pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:See, that is the beauty of science. It is constantly updated. Every scientist sees the other as a rival and they are constantly trying to discredit each other. If any conspiracy or falsehood is found, it is quickly discarded and the author disgraced. My science is not dogma driven, it is based on evidence. I can't say same about your religions though. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:45pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom: Listen above. The writer above me has said virtually what I said. I dont even know her b4 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:47pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly:I thought u earlier said there is no dishonesty when different journals are involved? You are removing your own footing by yourself In other words all u have been saying could be wrong. Thats minus the lies u told at the beginning. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 12:48pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular:This is a variant of God of the gaps argument/Argumentum ad ignorantiam. Because it is unknown therefore it must be prayers. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 12:50pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: You say your science is based on evidence yet you disregard myself who has on the job daily experiences as evidence? You are another dishonest fellow sir. Your idea of science isn't based on personal evidence but literature on the purported evidence given by others. The only time you gave an evidence was when you said you have also through probable CPR brought a dead person back but even those are just words with nothing to prove your claim. Even if I chose to go with your claim can you explain the process that took place which brought about the death and revival of that person and who certified the person dead. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by akintom(m): 12:52pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular: 6. Could words (prayer), be responsible for the unknown? No Unknown = certain revitalized dead. Could prayer be the reason? No Why? * certain revitalized dead, had occurred without prayer So, prayer couldn't have been the cause of the unknown. 1 Like |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 12:53pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular: The man does not even have the 40 literatures he claims to have. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 12:55pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: God of the gaps or whatever you call it isn't my point. I am talking medicine and not Religion. Absolutely nobody can offer a leaning conclusion to an unknown matter. This shows that for such even an observation is lacking. So no observation, no conclusion! Can we stick to medicine sir? 2 Likes |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 12:57pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom: Your answer should have been "I don't know" and not an emphatic no. That's when you would have made sense sir Especially when medical assistance was not available when spirituality was applied with probable results. 2 Likes |
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