spacetacular:


Jack please I beg you. Take your notorious inability for understanding simple statements elsewhere.

DEISM IS THEISM BUT WITH A PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH UNLIKE RELIGIOUS THEISM.

IT IS THEISM BECAUSE DEISTS BELIEVE IN GOD BUT REJECT HIS WORLDLY INVOLVEMENT.

i keep begging you to read in such a way which would enable understanding to get to you.

So you want to go down that route?

Okay. I agree that deism is theism. That is very clear in my post.

So now, you must agree that a higher power does not mean God?

It could be anything from aliens to conscious energy.

So that means that atheists are still the majority amongst scientists

dalaman:


Do you have any study from any hospital that shows that prayers alone cures people from their various illnesses?

I think you should be directing your question to catfishbilly so he can show you his study from any hospital that absolutely shows that prayers do not work. Perhaps he would be willing to share extracts from his viral telegram or whatsapp chat group confirming this with you.

ambassagod:


You are surprised?

Doesn't that show he is special kind of DUMB?

an atheist can't be dumbed becux they think for themselves.

JackBizzle:



So you want to go down that route?

Okay. I agree that deism is theism. That is very clear in my post.

So now, you must agree that a higher power does not mean God?

It could be anything from aliens to conscious energy.

Please you always cause me to take from the embers of my common sense to respond to you and it is not helping me. Allow me to reason with chunks of it.

spacetacular:


I think you should be directing your question to catfishbilly so he can show you how study from any hospital that absolutely shows that prayers do not work. Perhaps he would be willing to share extracts from his viral telegram or whatsapp chat group confirming this with you.

Does prayers work? Any study from any hospital to support the claim that prayers alone without medication works for anybody?

felixomor:


Brother,
I am not surprised.
Atheists dont care about knowledge.

you that dodge my question the other time. keep running.

dalaman:


Does prayers work? Any study from any hospital to support the claim that prayers alone without medication works for anybody?

You left asking the one who said it never works for his proof and you are asking me?

Catfishbilly this must be one of the "colleagues " you mentioned.

branhampaul:
you that dodge my question the other time. keep running.

I am still waiting for a single logical response from you.

JackBizzle:



Lol. Majority of scientists today are atheists or Irreligious.


Keep lying though

Nice comment. but even if many are not, you gat to think for yourself. don't emulate what people say or do.

branhampaul:
you that dodge my question the other time. keep running.

I am still eagerly waiting to read about the condition of the world that turned you atheist sir.

spacetacular:


You are not making any sense. You just said your colleagues supported your position but it did not change their faith. Below was your comment.


CatfishBilly:

Well, when I made that thread, it went "viral" amongst my colleagues who recognized the my moniker and testimonies were shared about how prayers failed their patients too. But they still chose to believe in god despite the fact, So, it's applicable.


Your position which I just showed you with your quote below

"I'm yet to see a single case where prayers changed the Patient's fortunes. If I see one, trust me, I'll post it here."

Speaks of a certitude and here you are saying it's your position yet in the first quote of yours here you said the words in bold text. So can I say you are not sure of they never stood by you but you alleged they did?

How is it difficult for you to understand when I've clearly described where I was talking about my own personal experience and when I was talking about my colleagues'?

spacetacular:


You left asking the one who said it never works for his proof and you are asking me?

Catfishbilly this must be one of the "colleagues " you mentioned.

If it works, will we be discussing about it? It doesn't work that is why doctors use very expensive equipments and drugs to cure and heal people instead of bowing their heads in prayers. If prayer work doctors won't be using surgeries and other methods to cure people. All they'll do is just pray for people and that will be it. If you disagree then show us the study that says that prayers alone works for people that was conducted by any hospital.

spacetacular:


That your thread was on the 11th of February and not last year.

Why tell these lies?

Why could you not post extracts of their comments as proof of your viral claim to buttress your thread. So I should just take your word for it?

Oops, my bad. I wanted to type Last month.
You're now asking for proof?
When you made claims of your qualifications and you were asked for proof, did you offer any?
Take my word for it, the way I took your word for it that you're a surgeon/Paramedic/traumasurgeon/Orthopedician

CatfishBilly:

How is it difficult for you to understand when I've clearly described where I was talking about my own personal experience and when I was talking about my colleagues'?

You mean your atheist colleagues right?

Are you also catfishbilly on facebook? On twitter? On whatsapp? On telegram?

How did they recognise your moniker on whatsapp or telegram since you claimed that was where it went viral?

Telegram and whatsapp are number registered and not letters.

So you are clearly lying now.

KingEbukasBlog:


Someone OBVIOUSLY did not read through the article or even understand it

Because clearly 51 percent of the AMERICAN scientists believe in God or a higher power . That means more AMERICAN scientists admit that an intelligent mind is behind the existence of the universe

So you emulate what other people think or do. you don't think for yourself. If for example, all scientists claim that zeus is the true god, you would follow them.?. don't let people tell you what to think.!

CatfishBilly:

Oops, my bad. I wanted to type Last month.
You're now asking for proof?
When you made claims of your qualifications and you were asked for proof, did you offer any?
Take my word for it, the way I took your word for it that you're a surgeon/Paramedic/traumasurgeon/Orthopedician

No need to be bitter. It's the way I know atheists always end up when they are caught. They become bitter and start attacking the person.

spacetacular:


I do not see how I could be trolling when all this is is healthy conversation or do you think otherwise?

So can you now tell me the condition of the world which made you an atheist?

It is unfair if only you is asking the question while I myself isn't asking. so answer my question now; are you christain or muslim?

spacetacular:


You mean your atheist colleagues right?

Are you also catfishbilly on facebook? On twitter? On whatsapp? On telegram?

How did they recognise your moniker on whatsapp or telegram since you claimed that was where it went viral?

Telegram and whatsapp are number registered and not letters.

So you are clearly lying now.

Since you're finding it difficult to understand it, let me help you.
A friend saw a thread by catfishbilly, brought it to a Telegram and whatsapp group that I'm a member, and posted it there, people read it, and came back to that same group to talk about it.
Get it now?

dalaman:


If it works, will we be discussing about it? It doesn't work that is why doctors use very expensive equipments and drugs to cure and heal people instead of bowing their heads in prayers. If prayer work doctors won't be using surgeries and other methods to cure people. All they'll do is just pray for people and that will be it. If you disagree then show us the study that says that prayers alone works for people that was conducted by any hospital.

Okay so just like catfishbilly you say prayer NEVER works. Where is your evidence from every doctor and every patient or ex patient in the world?

Do you know what the term IT DOES NOT WORK mean? It means that for a fact there is absolutely no possibility to it working.

I never said Prayers work. IN FACT I haven't even said anything. You and catfishbilly have said everything. So show me your evidence.

branhampaul:
It is unfair if only you is asking the question while I myself isn't asking. so answer my question now; are you christain or muslim?

All I asked from you was the condition of this world that caused you to be an atheist. You are yet to tell me.

spacetacular:



No need to be bitter. It's the way I know atheists always end up when they are caught. They become bitter and start attacking the person.

I'm not bitter, I'm just saying it as it is.
What exactly do you want? I should show you screenshots of the discussion?

CatfishBilly:

I'm not bitter, I'm just saying it as it is.
What exactly do you want? I should show you screenshots of the discussion?

How did they recognise your catfishbilly moniker on whatsapp and telegram when monikers are not used during registration?

CatfishBilly:

Since you're finding it difficult to understand it, let me help you.
A friend saw a thread by catfishbilly, brought it to a Telegram and whatsapp group that I'm a member, and posted it there, people read it, and came back to that same group to talk about it.
Get it now?

Now it's a friend? What a slippery slide you are on.

So of all the posts and threads on this website somehow this "friend" happened upon yours. Not that he just saw this thread of yours but he was also A FRIEND who saw it. What are the chances of that happening?

There are over 3million topics on this website and all those topics are on various areas but somehow he came straight to the religious section and straight to your topic.

Do you actually believe yourself now??

spacetacular:


Okay so just like catfishbilly you say prayer NEVER works. Where is your evidence from every doctor and every patient or ex patient in the world?

Do you know what the term IT DOES NOT WORK mean? It means that for a fact there is absolutely no possibility to it working.

I never said Prayers work. IN FACT I haven't even said anything. You and catfishbilly have said everything. So show me your evidence.

If prayers work doctors will be praying for their patients instead of undergoing through expensive and tedious medical processes.

dalaman:


If prayers work doctors will be praying for their patients instead of undergoing through expensive and tedious medical processes.

Is that all the proof you have?

spacetacular:


Now it's a friend? What a slippery slide you are on.

So of all the posts and threads on this website somehow this "friend" happened upon yours. Not that he just saw this thread of yours but he was also A FRIEND who saw it. What are the chances of that happening?

There are over 3million topics on this website and all those topics are on various areas but somehow he came straight to the religious section and straight to your topic.

Do you actually believe yourself now??

Because the thread was brought to the front page, the guy's one of my follwers on Nairaland here.
Keep on looking for holes, I'm here to debunk all of them.

felixomor:


I am still waiting for a single logical response from you.

I asked you a simple question;

when did your bible started circulating?

becux you claimed it influenced many developed countries legislation. which is an blatant lie.

spacetacular:


How did they recognise your catfishbilly moniker on whatsapp and telegram when monikers are not used during registration?

My friends know my nickname and they have my number which is linked to my WhatsApp and Telegram.
Any more questions?

CatfishBilly:

Because the thread was brought to the front page, the guy's one of my follwers on Nairaland here.
Keep on looking for holes, I'm here to debunk all of them.

I am not looking for holes. You are creating them yourself.

You say he is one of your followers on Nairaland but you have no follower on your profile on nairaland. Is there a way to make followers invisible to others?

spacetacular:


All I asked from you was the condition of this world that caused you to be an atheist. You are yet to tell me.

Terrorism, War, Slavery, Suffering, Bad Governments, Partiality, Disasters, etcetera.

And Who is OP to ask for atheist reason to disbelief, then OP should be asked why she beliefs in yahwey , some things can't just be summarized bcoz it didn't all happen in a day.
And what difference will it make if they share them to u, (let me guess so that u can rubbish it that it is baseless and not convincing).
If not for civilization that lead to the discovery of Africa as a continent, thus making whites come to colonize, enslave us physically and force religion so as to enslave us mentally too. Will u all be shouting Yahweh? does that mean all the non believer that died in Africa before the whites came are all going to Yahweh's hell? and remember Africans know what is good and bad before xtianity & islam, we have our laws and punishment for who ever breaks them, they pray and their prayers get answered. The 3 difference between foreign religion and African religion is
1) foreign religion came to rubbish all existing religion
2) foreign religion is well documented and packaged
3)foreign religion had enough resources to spread their belief.
Why did ur Yahweh decided to show himself to just few people in this world (Israelite), he should have shown himself to the whole world at once in 4D(he should have more technological knowledge than our present scientists). Yahway couldn't equip Moses with advance technology to travel between Egypt and Israel easily instead he suffered them for 40years?...
So aside blessing in heaven, give us what your religion brought to us that we don't have before in Africa. like I said don't bombard us with happenings in spiritual realm.
I still stand to believe something created the universe and everything inside, u can say God but my problem is religion. IMO, it is the manner and approach religion portrayed God(perfect being) that made some believe God doesn't exist cuz religion is not perfect(full of errors, questions).

branhampaul:
Terrorism, War, Slavery, Suffering, Bad Governments, Partiality, Disasters, etcetera.

All those things you listed above are caused by man including a lot of natural disasters. So how did man's recklessness ultimately translate to a blame game for God?