Nice thread

Daboomb:


Let us not go into this University Vs. Poly Graduates thing again.

Each one of them have their areas of core competence but are meant to be compementary toone another, to get a finished product.

University graduates are NEVER trained to be hands-on (as in technical DIY, under-the bonnet stuffs) for jobs.
They are trained to use their BRAINS, Not their HANDS!
A University graudate is practically a "Designer" of projects (be it Engineering, Medcine, Architecture, Computer Software, et.c).
Their brains have been developed to CONCEPTUALISE POSSIBILITIES, where non exists and to put such CONCEPTS on paper.

This is where it ends!
So, dont be surprised that a University trained mechanical Engineer cant get under the bonnet and repair his own car!
He is just not trained to do such and it is not necessary on his part, anyway. There is someone else (Poly grad) trained to do such.

But ask him to DESIGN a non-existing vehicle to certain specs, he will go to those Engineering Software, use his knowledge and come out with a prototype that WILL WORK!
Again, that is where it ends.

The Poly Graduate on the other hand, is trained to USE HIS HANDS, they are very hands-on and are trained to COMPLEMENT, by picking up where the University Graduate left the job.
The are the ones that really bring concepts designed by a Uni-graudate, TO LIFE.
Just give him any design and he would use welding machines, nuts and bolts and put it together.
If it is faulty, he would repair it.
That is their advantage and area of competence.

But without mincing words, you will notice straight away that their conversational English is almost zero, too much poor English (but they dont really need it and dont do much of English in school, unlike the Uni-gradaute.
What they need (an dhave in large quantity), is their hands-on experience, which a Uni-gradaute does not have

They are not "thinkers and brain workers" who develop ideas from scratch,, unlike the University crowds.
They mostly cant put what they know (ideas) across in a way that catches attention (I have interviewd a few and l know this) even when they have it in their mind!
But just give then something to work on (brain work) and you will see tha they are geniuses!
That is why you will find a lot of them in 'practical' jobs like Construction, Surveying,Manufacturing, Elelctrical, e.t.c

Let me stop here and summarise:
Both Graduates (Uni and Poly), are developed to COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER, one is not better than the other but each is a proffessional and have its area of core-competence.

The problem we expereince is that the Nigerian environment has been so bastardised such that only "conceptualisers" (brain workers) are in much demand, simply because we are not a manufacturing/producing nation.

The hands-on people dont have much to do right now and that is reflective in our poor level of development, low level of production, e.tc even when Nigerians are in many top "brain positions" all over the world.

I hope this settles it once and for all.

I'm very disappointed in your analysis in tarnishing a Polytechnic Graduate in this disrespectful manner by stating "they only use their hands" instead of their brains. In the first place, both university graduates and their counterparts in this part of the world are both competence in designing, develop and implement new concepts. In Nigeria of today, how many university graduates have came up with any new innovative ideas that translates to new products? As you can see many of our University graduates of today are more just graduates on papers that has no value added to the degree at hand. This leads me to conclude if we do not rejuvenate our education system and eradicate this mentality that "Polytechnic graduates are trained to used their hands not their brain". We will continue to produce secondary school graduates parading themselves as university graduates that are unemployable. You will agree with me that our future is at stake.

kopell:
I'm very disappointed in your analysis in tarnishing a Polytechnic Graduate in this disrespectful manner by stating "they only use their hands" instead of their brains. In the first place, both university graduates and their counterparts in this part of the world are both competence in designing, develop and implement new concepts. In Nigeria of today, how many university graduates have came up with any new innovative ideas that translates to new products? As you can see many of our University graduates of today are more just graduates on papers that has no value added to the degree at hand. This leads me to conclude if we do not rejuvenate our education system and eradicate this mentality that "Polytechnic graduates are trained to used their hands not their brain". We will continue to produce secondary school graduates parading themselves as university graduates that are unemployable. You will agree with me that our future is at stake.

I get his point even though i dont think he meant somethings he said literally. Somethings like using hands and not using brains. Even a mad man uses his brain. I also know that those who use hands and still use their brains are National Diploma graduates not HND. Le[s not throw the bath water with the baby, he made good points.

You sound like a poly gratuate with a kind of inferiority complex. You think his comments are demeaning to poly graduates and in your defence you claim "uni graduates are just graduates on paper." Its not your place to criticize their training. Many times we see graduates not do well, but do we ask, are they trained for that? I hsve done project management stuff but am i a trained project manager?

I get his point and its exactly what it is. You sound like you dont know the difference between an engineer, an engineering technologist and an engineering technician. A poly is not a uni and a uni is not a poly. For example, i know for a fact that the labouratory of Civil engineering in a poly is bigger and more equipped than that of the uni, its not strange to me. I hope you can find for yourself what the difference is instead of trying to be an engineer while the engineer also tries to be technician or technologist.

Its like a husband and wife thing. They both have one aim but separate duties. That the husband is the head of the family doesnot demean the responsibility of the wife. She is equally important. We also find wifes taking responsibilities of the head so its not strange neither should you find strange an engineer doing technological work or a technologist doing engineering or technical work.

I hope you do know the difference between a technologist and technician.

Many Nigerian graduates donot know the limits to their professional qualifications, I lost a job opportunity beacause i was asked which field i work best, i didnt want to choose an unavailable area so i asked for any one within my discipline. I was wrong to have done that and the man scolded me for that. That happened because i just wanted a good job not a profession. We have all lost that in Nigeria.

Go through the list of engineers, technicians and technologist of COREN, you will see that Nigerian technologist and technician are not proud of their profession instead they all want to get a masters and register as an engineer. The ones that do register are those who are compelled by their working places.

Be proud of who you are and also know exactly where you are supposed to fit in the engineering field. You are not more than the engineer and like wise.

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Hollar007:

I'm searching for a part or full time job wit architectural firms, civil engineering firms and contractors, road and building construction companies..... I'm competent in Architectural, structural, Mechanical, electrical and highway design..... Feel free to reach me on 07061532953 or email olyinka007@yahoo.com

Are u an architect, electrical engr, structural engr, mechanical engr or draughtsman?
You can't be competent in all of the bold?
Each of the bold is a profession, therefore requires years of training & experience to gain competence.

Daboomb:


Let us not go into this University Vs. Poly Graduates thing again.

Each one of them have their areas of core competence but are meant to be compementary toone another, to get a finished product.

University graduates are NEVER trained to be hands-on (as in technical DIY, under-the bonnet stuffs) for jobs.
They are trained to use their BRAINS, Not their HANDS!
A University graudate is practically a "Designer" of projects (be it Engineering, Medcine, Architecture, Computer Software, et.c).
Their brains have been developed to CONCEPTUALISE POSSIBILITIES, where non exists and to put such CONCEPTS on paper.

This is where it ends!
So, dont be surprised that a University trained mechanical Engineer cant get under the bonnet and repair his own car!
He is just not trained to do such and it is not necessary on his part, anyway. There is someone else (Poly grad) trained to do such.

But ask him to DESIGN a non-existing vehicle to certain specs, he will go to those Engineering Software, use his knowledge and come out with a prototype that WILL WORK!
Again, that is where it ends.

The Poly Graduate on the other hand, is trained to USE HIS HANDS, they are very hands-on and are trained to COMPLEMENT, by picking up where the University Graduate left the job.
The are the ones that really bring concepts designed by a Uni-graudate, TO LIFE.
Just give him any design and he would use welding machines, nuts and bolts and put it together.
If it is faulty, he would repair it.
That is their advantage and area of competence.

But without mincing words, you will notice straight away that their conversational English is almost zero, too much poor English (but they dont really need it and dont do much of English in school, unlike the Uni-gradaute.
What they need (an dhave in large quantity), is their hands-on experience, which a Uni-gradaute does not have

They are not "thinkers and brain workers" who develop ideas from scratch,, unlike the University crowds.
They mostly cant put what they know (ideas) across in a way that catches attention (I have interviewd a few and l know this) even when they have it in their mind!
But just give then something to work on (brain work) and you will see tha they are geniuses!
That is why you will find a lot of them in 'practical' jobs like Construction, Surveying,Manufacturing, Elelctrical, e.t.c

Let me stop here and summarise:
Both Graduates (Uni and Poly), are developed to COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER, one is not better than the other but each is a proffessional and have its area of core-competence.

The problem we expereince is that the Nigerian environment has been so bastardised such that only "conceptualisers" (brain workers) are in much demand, simply because we are not a manufacturing/producing nation.

The hands-on people dont have much to do right now and that is reflective in our poor level of development, low level of production, e.tc even when Nigerians are in many top "brain positions" all over the world.

I hope this settles it once and for all.

To be honest saying one uses brain while the other uses hand is not a good analogy & it is quite demeaning. You could have simply said one is more theoretical & a conceiver, which put one on a pedestal. As the conceiving stage is usually the most difficult. while the other is more practical & carry out the practicalities.
But they both require brain to carry out any function, whether theory or practical.

Daboomb:


Let us not go into this University Vs. Poly Graduates thing again.

Each one of them have their areas of core competence but are meant to be compementary toone another, to get a finished product.

University graduates are NEVER trained to be hands-on (as in technical DIY, under-the bonnet stuffs) for jobs.
They are trained to use their BRAINS, Not their HANDS!
A University graudate is practically a "Designer" of projects (be it Engineering, Medcine, Architecture, Computer Software, et.c).
Their brains have been developed to CONCEPTUALISE POSSIBILITIES, where non exists and to put such CONCEPTS on paper.

This is where it ends!
So, dont be surprised that a University trained mechanical Engineer cant get under the bonnet and repair his own car!
He is just not trained to do such and it is not necessary on his part, anyway. There is someone else (Poly grad) trained to do such.

But ask him to DESIGN a non-existing vehicle to certain specs, he will go to those Engineering Software, use his knowledge and come out with a prototype that WILL WORK!
Again, that is where it ends.

The Poly Graduate on the other hand, is trained to USE HIS HANDS, they are very hands-on and are trained to COMPLEMENT, by picking up where the University Graduate left the job.
The are the ones that really bring concepts designed by a Uni-graudate, TO LIFE.
Just give him any design and he would use welding machines, nuts and bolts and put it together.
If it is faulty, he would repair it.
That is their advantage and area of competence.

But without mincing words, you will notice straight away that their conversational English is almost zero, too much poor English (but they dont really need it and dont do much of English in school, unlike the Uni-gradaute.
What they need (an dhave in large quantity), is their hands-on experience, which a Uni-gradaute does not have

They are not "thinkers and brain workers" who develop ideas from scratch,, unlike the University crowds.
They mostly cant put what they know (ideas) across in a way that catches attention (I have interviewd a few and l know this) even when they have it in their mind!
But just give then something to work on (brain work) and you will see tha they are geniuses!
That is why you will find a lot of them in 'practical' jobs like Construction, Surveying,Manufacturing, Elelctrical, e.t.c

Let me stop here and summarise:
Both Graduates (Uni and Poly), are developed to COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER, one is not better than the other but each is a proffessional and have its area of core-competence.

The problem we expereince is that the Nigerian environment has been so bastardised such that only "conceptualisers" (brain workers) are in much demand, simply because we are not a manufacturing/producing nation.

The hands-on people dont have much to do right now and that is reflective in our poor level of development, low level of production, e.tc even when Nigerians are in many top "brain positions" all over the world.

I hope this settles it once and for all.

Let me come out and talk for my people. Am a polytechnic graduate.I would say your correct,but with the hand and not the brain thing am totally in support. All I have to say is for most profession that require hands on practicals, poly grad are best fit.Professions like agricultural technologist,artist, building tech,civil engineers,lab technicians,Quantity Surveyors and architects.
For those that dont know uni grads go for 6months industrial training while poly grads go for 4months I.T after their first year and 1year I.T after OND ,Totaling 1year 4months training, Now tell me why a poly GRAD should be looked down upon.

......running down of QS as a profession!
......university vs polytechnic graduates!!

What next again?

We still have;
College of education
Monotechnic
Technical college
Etc, etc,etc


All are graduates in different categories but it's not every body who reads that's understands.

The only thing that matters is be good at whatever you're doing wherever you find your self to be.

After all making love requires both the use of the brain and hand.

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All over the world be you a university,polytechnic,college of education, monotechnic graduate; they all know their place in the society within their respective chosen fields.
It's only in Nigeria due to inferiority complex, biased reasoning and misplaced priorities, that we find ourselves indulging in such discuss.

snakebeat:

To be honest saying one uses brain while the other uses hand is not a good analogy & it is quite demeaning. You could have simply said one is more theoretical & a conceiver, which put one on a pedestal. As the conceiving stage is usually the most difficult. while the other is more practical & carry out the practicalities.
But they both require brain to carry out any function, whether theory or practical.

Great best analysis so far, simple, detailed without sentiment. But this day build industry you don't stay within your limits or else you may be redundant. Conceiver or designer should also try and have practical skills, while the Engineering technologist can as well learn to be a conceiver. As a structural Engineer, my experience in construction, helps me a lot in design as I can easily identify a design that is not practicable. One thing I know is that most of us find our selves in either University or Polytechnic just in a bid to go to a higher institution without knowing what we actually wanted. Some guys are in polytechnic with ability to be in University and a even a better design engineer. In my University days, the guys that migrated from Polytechnic performed excellently well all of them graduated with good grades and even in the professional field they are excelling, all because they discovered themselves while they were in Poly that they were meant to be in University and they did everything possible to be in Uni.

EgunMogaji:


If not for the missing colors and the typos (which can be cleaned up) then I would have swore that you are Lastpage.

His postings are just as detailed as yours.

Lol, I was of the same opinion, his writings, explanations and the colors are similar to that of Lastpage, the difference is really not much, even with the typos, his style of writing, depth analysis is like Lastpage, but where is Lastpage though, that guy has good stuff upstairs

Aventures:
Great best analysis so far, simple, detailed without sentiment. But this day build industry you don't stay within your limits or else you may be redundant. Conceiver or designer should also try and have practical skills, while the Engineering technologist can as well learn to be a conceiver. As a structural Engineer, my experience in construction, helps me a lot in design as I can easily identify a design that is not practicable. One thing I know is that most of us find our selves in either University or Polytechnic just in a bid to go to a higher institution without knowing what we actually wanted. Some guys are in polytechnic with ability to be in University and a even a better design engineer. In my University days, the guys that migrated from Polytechnic performed excellently well all of them graduated with good grades and even in the professional field they are excelling, all because they discovered themselves while they were in Poly that they were meant to be in University and they did everything possible to be in Uni.

Thank you for nailing it up. It's all well sha, we all need each other to accomplish final results.

adanny01:


I get his point even though i dont think he meant somethings he said literally. Somethings like using hands and not using brains. Even a mad man uses his brain. I also know that those who use hands and still use their brains are National Diploma graduates not HND. Le[s not throw the bath water with the baby, he made good points.

You sound like a poly gratuate with a kind of inferiority complex. You think his comments are demeaning to poly graduates and in your defence you claim "uni graduates are just graduates on paper." Its not your place to criticize their training. Many times we see graduates not do well, but do we ask, are they trained for that? I hsve done project management stuff but am i a trained project manager?

I get his point and its exactly what it is. You sound like you dont know the difference between an engineer, an engineering technologist and an engineering technician. A poly is not a uni and a uni is not a poly. For example, i know for a fact that the labouratory of Civil engineering in a poly is bigger and more equipped than that of the uni, its not strange to me. I hope you can find for yourself what the difference is instead of trying to be an engineer while the engineer also tries to be technician or technologist.

Its like a husband and wife thing. They both have one aim but separate duties. That the husband is the head of the family doesnot demean the responsibility of the wife. She is equally important. We also find wifes taking responsibilities of the head so its not strange neither should you find strange an engineer doing technological work or a technologist doing engineering or technical work.

I hope you do know the difference between a technologist and technician.

Many Nigerian graduates donot know the limits to their professional qualifications, I lost a job opportunity beacause i was asked which field i work best, i didnt want to choose an unavailable area so i asked for any one within my discipline. I was wrong to have done that and the man scolded me for that. That happened because i just wanted a good job not a profession. We have all lost that in Nigeria.

Go through the list of engineers, technicians and technologist of COREN, you will see that Nigerian technologist and technician are not proud of their profession instead they all want to get a masters and register as an engineer. The ones that do register are those who are compelled by their working places.

Be proud of who you are and also know exactly where you are supposed to fit in the engineering field. You are not more than the engineer and like wise.

Thank you, your advice came little to late though. I discovered myself in engineering field I work over 26 years till now. I love it, very proud of it too.

EgunMogaji:


If not for the missing colors and the typos (which can be cleaned up) then I would have swore that you are Lastpage.

His postings are just as detailed as yours.

It SHOULD be Lastpage . If I can remember, I think he said sometime back that the "Lastpage" handle has been banned for several months or maybe indefinitely or something like that.

bixton:
......running down of QS as a profession!
......university vs polytechnic graduates!!

What next again?

We still have;
College of education
Monotechnic
Technical college
Etc, etc,etc


All are graduates in different categories but it's not every body who reads that's understands.

The only thing that matters is be good at whatever you're doing wherever you find your self to be.

After all making love requires both the use of the brain and hand.

I don't think so.

The engineering family works like a pyramid where you have a tiny apex and a very wide base.

In the family you have the engineers> the technologies>technicians >artisans. Each of these family members roles is very important and their remuneration should be based on the amount of work put in.

The engineers are trained to be more theoretically oriented because they conceived the ideas and use both mathematically and scientific principle to design them, they required more maths and science to put these ideas into reality hence do more theory than practical but they also need to have practical ideas about what they want to design so they also need a bit of practical. For engineers, it is more like 75% theory and 25% practical.

The technologies work under the engineers and they are required to interpret all the design information produced by the engineer on site, They are also required to have a strong theoretical base and a strong practical base ( it is more like 50% practical to 50% theory)

The technicians work directly under the supervision of the technologies, they are required to put the ideas of the ideas of the designer into actuality, they are required to be very practical in their aproach and to also have some theoritical knowledge in other to understand the engineers design( they are more like 75% practical and 25% theory).

Finally, we have the artisans, these are the people responsible for the actual practical work, they do the actual construction. These group are required to be 100% practical and they are the carpenters, mason, Plumber, electricians of this world.

In summary, all the engineering family are important and there pay should be commensurable to the complexity of work, the risk involved and their demand and supply.

A typical civil engineering work will have: for every one engineer < two technologies < four technicians < eight artisans.

A more complex engineer work will required an engineer with master or doctorate degree to lead them

kopell:
Thank you, your advice came little to late though. I discovered myself in engineering field I work over 26 years till now. I love it, very proud of it too.

Good for you.

abdulwastecx:


I don't think so.

The engineering family works like a pyramid where you have a tiny apex and a very wide base.

In the family you have the engineers> the technologies>technicians >artisans. Each of these family members roles is very important and their remuneration should be based on the amount of work put in.

The engineers are trained to be more theoretically oriented because they conceived the ideas and use both mathematically and scientific principle to design them, they required more maths and science to put these ideas into reality hence do more theory than practical but they also need to have practical ideas about what they want to design so they also need a bit of practical. For engineers, it is more like 75% theory and 25% practical.

The technologies work under the engineers and they are required to interpret all the design information produced by the engineer on site, They are also required to have a strong theoretical base and a strong practical base ( it is more like 50% practical to 50% theory)

The technicians work directly under the supervision of the technologies, they are required to put the ideas of the ideas of the designer into actuality, they are required to be very practical in their aproach and to also have some theoritical knowledge in other to understand the engineers design( they are more like 75% practical and 25% theory).

Finally, we have the artisans, these are the people responsible for the actual practical work, they do the actual construction. These group are required to be 100% practical and they are the carpenters, mason, Plumber, electricians of this world.

In summary, all the engineering family are important and there pay should be commensurable to the complexity of work, the risk involved and their demand and supply.

A typical civil engineering work will have: for every one engineer < two technologies < four technicians < eight artisans.

A more complex engineer work will required an engineer with master or doctorate degree to lead them

I guess you did not get my drift.

Regarding the bold, I guess you took the line from the write up "the engineering family or team: who are they" by Uzochukwu Mike. The source of that quote is unknown with no backing reference and so i'll take it as his own assumption.

The assigning of percentages to the respective professions based on theory and practical is another assumption also. There's no authority that confirms that.
It is known that engineering graduates have more to do with theory and less practical but it does not translate to that 75/25. Another can say 60/40. And to say the technologists have a 50/50............
Artisans you say are 100 on practical and you skipped that for technicians.
Can we rightly say that these guys do not have the ability to conceptualize?

Well the respective professions have a running curriculum and the various accredited institutions stick to it as best as they can.

There is always a form of synergy amongst these set of professionals in any work place to achieving success on any particular project.

Be that as it may be it will out of a complex situation for a technologist/technician/craftsmen(artisans) to consider them selves as an engineer though any of the aforementioned can use that title based on some upgrade or as a title based on his company's structure and needs.

The link below shows the respective titles and qualifications:
http://toscanyacademy.com/blog/nigeria-education/how-to-become-a-registered-nigerian-engineer

for me the use of the words theoretical ad practical speak to the way we think as black people - more focused and more celebratory where expending physical energy is concerned

there is very little engineers do that is theoretical , as it is based on established scientific principle.
engineering is the use of established scientific principles to solve problems.

within the construction industry, you design foundations based on established principle of soil mechanics
your electrical designs come back to P=IV

there is nothing theoretical about that

as a competent engineer, my design would be based on the use of design principles to determine what illumination, pump size, reinforcement etal is required.

an artisan can also determine these things, usually from experience. this is also where the problems come, because onc you take the artisan out of his comfort zone because you think he is an expert, you are in trial and error land, where you will see building equivalent of welding honda ball joint.

your technician or technologists job is to interpret the engineer's design and execute same

of course, just like architecets, engineers can present designs that are not practical and experienced/competent technicians will see this immediately

it is not really surprising we keep having this argument ( https://www.nairaland.com/108071/nigerian-engineers-not-competent )

it is a uniquely nigerian thing. the same way pharmacists and nurses are also dragging with doctors.

possibly because we are shortcut obssessed and have disdain for mental pursuits

let me make an example

i design a fire alarm installation for a facility .

a team of artisan installs it [ lays conduit and cable trays , draws wires, mounts equipment, tests and commissions ]

so who is the real person that 'knows how to do it' ?

bixton:


I guess you did not get my drift.

Regarding the bold, I guess you took the line from the write up "the engineering family or team: who are they" by Uzochukwu Mike. The source of that quote is unknown with no backing reference and so i'll take it as his own assumption.

The assigning of percentages to the respective professions based on theory and practical is another assumption also. There's no authority that confirms that.
It is known that engineering graduates have more to do with theory and less practical but it does not translate to that 75/25. Another can say 60/40. And to say the technologists have a 50/50............
Artisans you say are 100 on practical and you skipped that for technicians.
Can we rightly say that these guys do not have the ability to conceptualize?

Well the respective professions have a running curriculum and the various accredited institutions stick to it as best as they can.

There is always a form of synergy amongst these set of professionals in any work place to achieving success on any particular project.

Be that as it may be it will out of a complex situation for a technologist/technician/craftsmen(artisans) to consider them selves as an engineer though any of the aforementioned can use that title based on some upgrade or as a title based on his company's structure and needs.

The link below shows the respective titles and qualifications:
http://toscanyacademy.com/blog/nigeria-education/how-to-become-a-registered-nigerian-engineer

I think that line you quoted is a common knowledge among engineering graduates, there is a course in the university called Engineering in society ( It is a 200L course in the university, you will see all the details about the engineering family there)

Percentages are assigned based on the engineering curriculum, you can also look that up

I didn't skip that of the technicians, it is right there in my comment above you can look it up

They don't have the ability to conceptualize ideas, they will need to be trained to do so. You just don't wake up one day and start to design a reinforced concrete foundation like pile or raft, you need to be equipped to do so and the only recognized program that will equip you are the civil engineering program such as engineering geology, foundation engineering, and advanced reinforced concrete design/ You will need to get an engineering degree from a university to do this

abdulwastecx:


I think that line you quoted is a common knowledge among engineering graduates, there is a course in the university called Engineering in society ( It is a 200L course in the university, you will see all the details about the engineering family there)

Percentages are assigned based on the engineering curriculum, you can also look that up

I didn't skip that of the technicians, it is right there in my comment above you can look it up

They don't have the ability to conceptualize ideas, they will need to be trained to do so. You just don't wake up one day and start to design a reinforced concrete foundation like pile or raft, you need to be equipped to do so and the only recognized program that will equip you are the civil engineering program such as engineering geology, foundation engineering, and advanced reinforced concrete design/ You will need to get an engineering degree from a university to do this

I keep checking things up and there's no up to where the things are going. Those percentages are basically for academic purposes and not entirely true to itself and most probably applies to our Nigerian environment which is why you're bent on following that line of argument.

If your assumed kind of technicians cannot conceptualize I guess these one here can to a large extent.
https://collegegrad.com/careers/civil-engineering-technicians

oyb:
let me make an example

i design a fire alarm installation for a facility .

a team of artisan installs it [ lays conduit and cable trays , draws wires, mounts equipment, tests and commissions ]

so who is the real person that 'knows how to do it' ?

It's not he who digs a trench with shovel for one week that's the 'real person' that knows how to do it but he who designed an earth mover that can do same job in 10 mins.

I hope I answered your question.

abdulwastecx:


I think that line you quoted is a common knowledge among engineering graduates, there is a course in the university called Engineering in society ( It is a 200L course in the university, you will see all the details about the engineering family there)

Percentages are assigned based on the engineering curriculum, you can also look that up

I didn't skip that of the technicians, it is right there in my comment above you can look it up

They don't have the ability to conceptualize ideas, they will need to be trained to do so. You just don't wake up one day and start to design a reinforced concrete foundation like pile or raft, you need to be equipped to do so and the only recognized program that will equip you are the civil engineering program such as engineering geology, foundation engineering, and advanced reinforced concrete design/ You will need to get an engineering degree from a university to do this

Question for you Sir (if you have time to answer as I know that you're a busy professional), do Nigerians have to sit for an exam before they can call themselves Engineer?

Thanks.

EgunMogaji:


If not for the missing colors and the typos (which can be cleaned up) then I would have swore that you are Lastpage.

His postings are just as detailed as yours.

AngelicBeing:
Lol, I was of the same opinion, his writings, explanations and the colors are similar to that of Lastpage, the difference is really not much, even with the typos, his style of writing, depth analysis is like Lastpage, but where is Lastpage though, that guy has good stuff upstairs

diordaves:


It SHOULD be Lastpage . If I can remember, I think he said sometime back that the "Lastpage" handle has been banned for several months or maybe indefinitely or something like that.

Thanks to everyone for the complement!
Nothing, is as good as being-missed, when you are not around, .....especially when it is for good.

People felt uncomfortable with my post back then and met the Mod behind camera, Nigerian-style ....and the result was a very long, lengthy ban.
It was good for me though.
Since my presence on Nairaland was to relax my nerves, l felt it was time to control the seeming addiction, just pop-in as a guest, from time to time and read the good stuffs you guys are churning out.
No more fiesty-cuffs of any sort.

It is also gratiating when l hear some say other people write like me (at least l have counted about six handles like such, who can conviniently claim to be me, in terms of writing style). The 'Ministry' must be growing.

But l still remain the "crayola-champion", all others are mere, pedestrian imitations.

It took alot of will-power for me to log-in and write this as l have kept away since the ban elapsed and wish to continue to do so.
Do have a blessed day, everyone.



Lastpage!

@diordaves: You are absolutely correct (seems you have the memory of an elephant!). I registered a monicker to make the announcement back then and then deactivated it once the purpose was served.

EgunMogaji:


Question for you Sir (if you have time to answer as I know that you're a busy professional), do Nigerians have to sit for an exam before they can call themselves Engineer?

Thanks.

COREN

EgunMogaji:


Question for you Sir (if you have time to answer as I know that you're a busy professional), do Nigerians have to sit for an exam before they can call themselves Engineer?

Thanks.

Yes sir, you have to sit for the COREN exam

EgunMogaji:


Question for you Sir (if you have time to answer as I know that you're a busy professional), do Nigerians have to sit for an exam before they can call themselves Engineer?


Thanks.

Oga EgunMogaji, Anybody can call themselves Engineer o.. Even Kazeems are Engineers ( I'm sure you get the joke). But to have Engr as a title, you need to pass some professional exams.

abdulwastecx:


Yes sir, you have to sit for the COREN exam

Abdul is these your CORED exam or licences acceptable to practice world wide? Or Can it be reevaluate as what we called PE here that is acceptable world wide.