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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:04pm On Oct 23, 2017
tbaba1234:


Yet, Onyekuru already has more goals in that short spell.


Morata could have more goals than Hazard but we know the best.

Moreover, Simon Moses has played in more than matches in different games.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:04pm On Oct 23, 2017
Joebie:
2nd-tier Denmark. na wa for you o.
Dem wan know?
As far as them hear say them born am abroad and his skin is light.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:06pm On Oct 23, 2017
lol.. oya who belong to that team, show yourselves

Icon4s:


Dem wan know?

As far as them hear say them born am abroad and his skin is light.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:10pm On Oct 23, 2017
tbaba1234:


Yet, Onyekuru already has more goals in that short spell.

The bone of contention still remains that Simon Moses has achieved more than Onyekuru. Period. grin

All these grammars and corner corner way no fit change that fact. Thank you. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:12pm On Oct 23, 2017
Joebie:
lol.. oya who belong to that team, show yourselves


Dem sabi themselves naa.

Na make other countries see Super Eagles think say na Algeria we be. Hahahaha.

The other day we played Algeria in Uyo, when you see our Oyinbo wall some times you go think say dem be Algerian players sef.

At a point my wifey asked me who be Nigeria? People in Green or in White?

The two countries dey kukuma wear Green and white jerseys.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:13pm On Oct 23, 2017
The fact is that Onyekuru's market value has been on the rise and has eclipsed Simon in a very short time (since he started playing in the Jupiler league). Simon's MV has been rather stagnant for the MOST PART since he's been playing in the Jupiler league. I will have to question your ability to read a graph if you disagree with me.



forgiveness:



Morata could have more goals than Hazard but we know the best.

Moreover, Simon Moses has played in more than matches in different games.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 1:14pm On Oct 23, 2017
forgiveness:



Morata could have more goals than Hazard but we know the best.

Moreover, Simon Moses has played in more than matches in different games.

See false equivalency..

Simon and Onyekuru play the same position in the same league.

Onyekuru has play half the games of Simon and has more goals already.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 1:16pm On Oct 23, 2017
lol the world is now a global village.. it will be interesting when we all become color blind.

Icon4s:


Dem sabi themselves naa.

Na make other countries see Super Eagles think say na Algeria we be. Hahahaha.

The other day we played Algeria in Uyo, when you see our Oyinbo wall some times you go think say dem be Algerian players sef.

At a point my wifey asked me who be Nigeria? People in Green or in White?

The two countries dey kukuma wear Green and white jerseys.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:16pm On Oct 23, 2017
If the Brazilian - Nigerian Descent player is not good why some club wan buy am? shocked grin

When I heard Nigerian Brazilian Football player, my appetite for him was instance because he has played in the Brazilian league and must have learned the swagger.

If he gets a buyer in the EPL and scores in January then I will give him my pass mark to the world Cup. grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by joseph1013: 1:18pm On Oct 23, 2017
forgiveness:



In the last three years!? shocked grin

Onyekuru was in Belgium pro league 2nd tier three seasons ago when Simon Moses fought for the league titles (came second) and played in Belgium FA cup finals just two seasons before this.

Please, take note that Simon Moses helped them to win that FA cup with an assist for the only goal of that match. grin

It was only last season we started hearing about Onyekuru. This season has not finished yet.

You forget he led them to promotion that year. You think it's easy?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:20pm On Oct 23, 2017
Joebie:
lol the world is now a global village.. it will be interesting when we all become color blind.


Even the Western world that are more advanced and more civilised than us are the ones with the best colour vision.

Racism is still very strong in Europe and America.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:22pm On Oct 23, 2017
forgiveness:
If the Brazilian - Nigerian Descent player is not good why some club wan buy am? shocked grin

When I heard Nigerian Brazilian Football player, my appetite for him was instance because he has played in the Brazilian league and must have learned the swagger.

If he gets a buyer in the EPL and scores in January then I will give him my pass mark to the world Cup. grin

Joebie, answer to your question.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 1:30pm On Oct 23, 2017
PROVERBZ:
no no u dont get it I am asking if Anderlecht have played any league game since playing PSG ??

Oh my bad. Nah don't think so.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 1:39pm On Oct 23, 2017
Icon4s:


Reminds me of all those talks about a Bulish striker before that Cameroon game.

"Jam body football". Hahahaha.
Oh those talks even forced Rohr to invite Nwakaeme, Aaron Samuel,if this guy was discovered before Cameroon,I know some w call for his invitation.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:50pm On Oct 23, 2017
Joebie:
The fact is that Onyekuru's market value has been on the rise and has eclipsed Simon in a very short time (since he started playing in the Jupiler league). Simon's MV has been rather stagnant for the MOST PART since he's been playing in the Jupiler league. I will have to question your ability to read a graph if you disagree with me.





Clubs don't work with your inconsequential graph. They work with cash and carry.


If Henry Onyekuru worths 7 million whatever, now let it sink into you that Simon Moses will not even go for 8. 3 million whatever.

I will have to question your ability to open and read web address if you disagree with me. Mboko! grin

https://www.completesportsnigeria.com/gent-reject-brightons-8-3m-bid-moses-simon/amp/
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:52pm On Oct 23, 2017
Kog45:
Oh those talks even forced Rohr to invite Nwakaeme, Aaron Samuel,if this guy was discovered before Cameroon,I know some w call for his invitation.

Ah tell you my brother

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 1:56pm On Oct 23, 2017
personally i think it's a mistake compering S. moses to onyekuru. even though they play in similar positions their styles differ. onyekuru is more of a striker cum winger in the mould of CR7, thierry henry, osaze etc guys who can play on the flanks but always have a goal threat in them. such players will end up in the number 9 position. it will be more logical to compare onyekuru to kayode olanrewaju both play on the wings and have an eye for goal

simon on the other hand is a pure winger who just loves to take on and beat his man. the main stat that would be used to judge him is his number of assists but he will be also expected to contribute his fair share of goals. simon's game is most similar to people like hazard, robben, di maria and the likes. it would be more logical to compare simon to vicmo, peter olayinka, samuel kalu or even ahmed musa.

that said based on team honours obviously simon moses is ahead but on individual achievements henry is definitely ahead. more goals, good number of assists, signed by a club in a higher ranked league, better career trajectory etc but like i said before i think they have different roles for us to be putting them side by side. it's like comparing hazard to morata

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 2:06pm On Oct 23, 2017
Icon4s:


Ah tell you my brother
Honestly before Cameroon i was wondering what was going on,seeing respected guys here preferred Nwakaeme over Iheanacho and d called for Aaron Samuel over Kayode and Oyekwuru.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:10pm On Oct 23, 2017
tbaba1234:


See false equivalency..

Simon and Onyekuru play the same position in the same league.

Onyekuru has play half the games of Simon and has more goals already.

Wrong! They din't play in the same position throughout last season.

Simon Moses played mostly as a second striker last season and only played 6 matches on the left wing. He scored 3 goals and assisted 4 when he played on the LW last season.

While, Henry Onyekuru played mostly as a LW last season. He played 34 matches, scored 18 goals and gave 8 assists.

Get your facts right before you start posting falsely. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:13pm On Oct 23, 2017
chrisooblog:
personally i think it's a mistake compering S. moses to onyekuru. even though they play in similar positions their styles differ. onyekuru is more of a striker cum winger in the mould of CR7, thierry henry, osaze etc guys who can play on the flanks but always have a goal threat in them. such players will end up in the number 9 position. it will be more logical to compare onyekuru to kayode olanrewaju both play on the wings and have an eye for goal

simon on the other hand is a pure winger who just loves to take on and beat his man. the main stat that would be used to judge him is his number of assists but he will be also expected to contribute his fair share of goals. simon's game is most similar to people like hazard, robben, di maria and the likes. it would be more logical to compare simon to vicmo, peter olayinka, samuel kalu or even ahmed musa.

that said based on team honours obviously simon moses is ahead but on individual achievements henry is definitely ahead. more goals, good number of assists, signed by a club in a higher ranked league, better career trajectory etc but like i said before i think they have different roles for us to be putting them side by side. it's like comparing hazard to morata

Reason why Simon is still in the Super Eagles starting 11 is because we don't have so many wingers better than he is at the moment.

If he Doesn't change his style of play he'll end up like the likes of Pius Ikedia and Ahmed Musa.

Simon has a lot to learn in terms of his final passes.
He works so very hard but the product of all those hardwork is just average or less.

You saw how Iwobi changed things upon his introduction against Zambia? That is how a modern winger plays.

You notice Iwobi didn't run much on the wings which gave Shehu acres to make his runs. Iwobi went deep close to the AM position which was where Shehu's cross came to meet him and the rest is history. Ahmed Musa does that too once in a while but Simon is always on the flanks and doesn't really combine well with the number 10 player. His own is to take on defenders one-on and finally play one way-ward cross. You saw how Iwobi combined well with Mikel and even Ighalo. Same thing in the game in Ndola.

Yes Onyekuru is up and coming but as you rightly said I would like to see him develop as a striker.

We are blessed with wingers in this team but we don't have depth in the striking department.

Rohr should draft in Onyekuru among the CF jare.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:15pm On Oct 23, 2017
joseph1013:

You forget he led them to promotion that year. You think it's easy?

I am not downgrading Onyekuru's achievements but I just wanted to clarify the false notion that Henry Onyekuru has achieved more than Simon Moses.

This is not true.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:20pm On Oct 23, 2017
Kog45:
Honestly before Cameroon i was wondering what was going on,seeing respected guys here preferred Nwakaeme over Iheanacho and d called for Aaron Samuel over Kayode and Oyekwuru.


Not to rubbish them o but it seems a good number of them have never seen us play Cameroon at a competitive level. Or probably they were too young to recall. I think the last time was at 2004 AFCON.

Cameroon have always presented bulky teams. And each time we beat them we used skills and trickery, sleek football. You remember also that Kanu's pass to Utaka that gave us victory in 2004? That was what Mikel and Ighalo replicated.

Teams like that cannot cope with skillful and sleek football. That's why they typically end up with 9players against such teams.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 2:22pm On Oct 23, 2017
chrisooblog:
personally i think it's a mistake compering S. moses to onyekuru. even though they play in similar positions their styles differ. onyekuru is more of a striker cum winger in the mould of CR7, thierry henry, osaze etc guys who can play on the flanks but always have a goal threat in them. such players will end up in the number 9 position. it will be more logical to compare onyekuru to kayode olanrewaju both play on the wings and have an eye for goal

simon on the other hand is a pure winger who just loves to take on and beat his man. the main stat that would be used to judge him is his number of assists but he will be also expected to contribute his fair share of goals. simon's game is most similar to people like hazard, robben, di maria and the likes. it would be more logical to compare simon to vicmo, peter olayinka, samuel kalu or even ahmed musa.

that said based on team honours obviously simon moses is ahead but on individual achievements henry is definitely ahead. more goals, good number of assists, signed by a club in a higher ranked league, better career trajectory etc but like i said before i think they have different roles for us to be putting them side by side. it's like comparing hazard to morata

Yes, the style of play is different. Moses is your traditional winger, Henry prefers to come inside. As such, Simon should get more assists and Henry more chances to score.

Simon is not even giving assists. He has one for the season from an indirect freekick but none from open play.


Henry and Simon play exactly the same role in the team. LWF. Henry's goal return gave him more freedom. Not even they coaches thought he will explode, the way he did last year.

Kayode is an out and out striker, henry isn't. He plays primarily from the wings. Simon had a great goals return in his first year from the wings.

Henry is not a number 9 and i do not think he will thrive there. Kayode is a number 9. Totally different.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:22pm On Oct 23, 2017
Icon4s:


Reason why Simon is still in the Super Eagles starting 11 is because we don't have so many wingers better than he is at the moment.

If he Doesn't change his style of play he'll end up like the likes of Pius Ikedia and Ahmed Musa.

Simon has a lot to learn in terms of his final passes.
He works so very hard but the product of all those hardwork is just average or less.

You saw how Iwobi changed things upon his introduction against Zambia? That is how a modern winger plays.

You notice Iwobi didn't run much on the wings which gave Shehu acres to make his runs. Iwobi went deep close to the AM position which was where Shehu's cross came to meet him and the rest is history. Ahmed Musa does that too once in a while but Simon is always on the flanks and doesn't really combine well with the number 10 player. His own is to take on defenders one-on and finally play one way-ward cross. You saw how Iwobi combined well with Mikel and even Ighalo. Same thing in the game in Ndola.

Yes Onyekuru is up and coming but as you rightly said I would like to see him develop as a striker.

We are blessed with wingers in this team but we don't have depth in the striking department.

Rohr should draft in Onyekuru among the CF jare.


It was obvious Rohr changed tactics and pattern of play when he brought on Iwobi.

I maintain, Simon Moses followed Rohr instructions, even Shehu Abdullahi followed instructions because he never crossed the half line until Iwobi came in.

They practiced this before the match during training.

Iwobi would have gassed out if he started the game.

There was no abracadabra Iwobi did. It was absolutely the game plan.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 2:26pm On Oct 23, 2017
forgiveness:


Wrong! They din't play in the same position throughout last season.

Simon Moses played mostly as a second striker last season and only played 6 matches on the left wing. He scored 3 goals and assisted 4 when he played on the LW last season.

While, Henry Onyekuru played mostly as a LW last season. He played 34 matches, scored 18 goals and gave 8 assists.

Get your facts right before you start posting falsely. grin


You know, i watch many of these games first hand when i have a free weekend. I am not talking from second hand account.

So Simon played as a second striker and still had less goals and assists than a LWF. Just making your case worse.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:27pm On Oct 23, 2017
tbaba1234:


Yes, the style of play is different. Moses is your traditional winger, Henry prefers to come inside. As such, Simon should get more assists and Henry more chances to score.

Simon is not even giving assists. He has one for the season from an indirect freekick but none from open play.


Henry and Simon play exactly the same role in the team. LWF. Henry's goal return gave him more freedom. Not even they coaches thought he will explode, the way he did last year.

Kayode is an out and out striker, henry isn't. He plays primarily from the wings. Simon had a great goals return in his first year from the wings.

Henry is not a number 9 and i do not think he will thrive there. Kayode is a number 9. Totally different.




TThis was where Simon Moses played last season.

Does this look like a LW position? shocked grin

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 2:29pm On Oct 23, 2017
forgiveness:


TThis was where Simon Moses played last season.

Does this look like a LW position? shocked grin

I watched his games last season and he was mostly on the wings. I am not talking about second hand info.

Even if i entertain such.. As a support striker, he was outscored by a left winger

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 2:30pm On Oct 23, 2017
For the Super Eagles, Simon has paid his dues and deserves his position.

At club level, Onyekuru is currently better.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:31pm On Oct 23, 2017
tbaba1234:


You know, i watch many of these games first hand when i have a free weekend. I am not talking from second hand account.

So Simon played as a second striker and still had less goals and assists than a LWF. Just making your case worse.



I even saw in played on the LM on few occasions.

Now, do you agree they don't play in the same position before I answer your second paragraph? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 2:36pm On Oct 23, 2017
forgiveness:



I even saw in played on the LM on few occasions.

Now, do you agree they don't play in the same position before I answer your second paragraph? grin


No, they play the same role

that is what i saw from the games, i saw.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:37pm On Oct 23, 2017
tbaba1234:
For the Super Eagles, Simon has paid his dues and deserves his position.

At club level, Onyekuru is currently better.


Has Onyekuru helped his club to win the league?

Has Onyekuru won the second best Ebonyi award in Belgium?

Has Onyekuru assisted in a cup final competition to help his club win the Belgium FA cup?

At, club level, with enough facts on ground, Simon Moses has achieved more than Onyekuru in club level. Kpom! grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:38pm On Oct 23, 2017
tbaba1234:


I watched his games last season and he was mostly on the wings. I am not talking about second hand info.

Even if i entertain such.. As a support striker, he was outscored by a left winger


How can I believe one who always gives wrong info?

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