brocab:
It's not that I would like you to repeat your beliefs to me again, I was only trying to be nice.

I appreciate you being nice. Thanks for your civility towards me

brocab:
Well I do see it-but not in a way you expect me to see it, we all know the story about Jesus preaching to the scribes and the Pharisees going into house holds devouring the widow's taking everything they had. We just need to read {Matthew 23} to receive the in's and out's about the Pharisees and the scribes

It is true that Jesus is ALWAYS on the scribes & Pharisees' case, critising them at every available opportunity
but hey bro, we arent talking of those other occasion nor talking about what transpired in Matthew 23
We are talking of and what I am interested specifically ONLY in, is ALL, that transpired in Mark 12:38-44
Let's stick to Mark 12:38-44 alone,
(i.e. being in the temple courts, opposite the treasury box,
the teaching of the crowd,
the warning about the scribes,
Left alone but now watching events at the treasury box
Calling over the disciples after spotting a strange thing happening
and commenting on the strange event)

brocab:
To be truthful {God see's what man don't see} and Jesus happen to be there after He spoke to the Crowd wasn't a accident, He knew what He wanted to see, but the scribes, didn't need to prove it to Jesus, the problem is, is Jesus seeing what you see-or did Jesus see something completely different?

You understood the message, depending on what you're paying attention to in that Scribe-Widow narrative. Okay? so now, please answer the following 4 questions below for me

#1 Did you not see the lack of fairness to the widow in the narrative?
#2 Did you not see the exploitation of a poor widow in the narrative?
#3 Was your attention not drawn to the fact that a poor widow was taken advantage of in the narrative?
#4 Did you not see an example sucking dry, an exact of what Jesus mentioned just a few verses, earlier in Mark 12:40, about widows' houses being devoured by scribes, happen in Mark 12:42 & Mark 12:44 in the narrative?

brocab:
Am I reading this right
-you believe The scribes made it a point to set up Jesus to watch a little old lady put in all she had. "Interesting"

No, I am not saying the scribes made it a point to set up Jesus to watch a little old lady put in all she had

brocab:
If this is the case
-and you believed the scribes set this up
-then it's pointless to believe she put in all she had by faith?

No, no no, scribes set nothing up
She put ''all'' in faith,
just like tithers give tithe by faith believing God will rebuke the devourer for them,
so that it will not destroy the fruits of their soil, and their vine in the field

openmine:
@Zikkyy2...I told You

Thanks, I believe I am starting to see which direction you are coming from, I had my own views about this scripture-but hey it is interesting when we can see it pointing another way.
{Allow me to see my view about Mark 12:38-44, if I am wrong correct it?}
Jesus made a point about the Pharisees and scribes, and of course the scribes had made a point by ripping of the neighbourhood, Jesus only made a point of it-because He wanted the people to be aware of it-Most of all He wanted His disciples to know first hand. And after the bible was written we also are now, aware of it.
The Pharisees and scribes were professionals, ripping of the Neighbourhood was easy.
Money came in from all directions, it wasn't the money so much, they needed the power, once that's retrieved, money kept on pouring in from all directions-this is how the criminal organisations begin. To own a country you must disarm it first.
{And Jesus made a point of it} they opened shop everywhere-through the taxes, through the Customs, through the censers, through the money changers-through their selling and buying, even through the old woman's story.
Instead of obeying God's commands, they stole and sold nearly everything the tithes and offerings had to offer, they gained everything the city could offer by force.
{The priest collected 23% yearly, gaining crops, stocks of every kind, they sold the tithes and offerings, not giving it to the poor as planned, the Pharisees and scribes lived the high life in luxury, same old story, a repeat of the past, the priest back then and the pastors today again have stolen the cities, not giving it to the poor, they live the high life in luxury, building businesses, selling and buying, just like the past, the tax free tithing system had re-began}
Jesus warned us about this future event, don't be deceived-one would think, we would only find this sort of behaviour in a criminal organisation, but sadly enough different countries have different rules, and these rules come under different Churches, re-birthing syndicates, also knowing under the Illuminati of Freemasons, leading an army of disbelievers, collecting money from all directions. A system well preserved, and well organised with the right conman, we just need to look into our bank accounts.
The Vatican supported Hitler knowing his in's and out's collecting finances, while murdering the Jews and Hitler once said to own a country you must disarm it first.
Do I need to say any more?

MuttleyLaff:
I appreciate you being nice. Thanks for your civility towards me

It is true that Jesus is ALWAYS on the scribes & Pharisees' case, critising them at every available opportunity
but hey bro, we arent talking of those other occasion nor talking about what transpired in Matthew 23
We are talking of and what I am interested specifically ONLY in, is ALL, that transpired in Mark 12:38-44
Let's stick to Mark 12:38-44 alone,
(i.e. being in the temple courts, opposite the treasury box,
the teaching of the crowd,
the warning about the scribes,
Left alone but now watching events at the treasury box
Calling over the disciples after spotting a strange thing happening
and commenting on the strange event)

You understood the message, depending on what you're paying attention to in that Scribe-Widow narrative. Okay? so now, please answer the following 4 questions below for me

#1 Did you not see the lack of fairness to the widow in the narrative?
#2 Did you not see the exploitation of a poor widow in the narrative?
#3 Was your attention not drawn to the fact that a poor widow was taken advantage of in the narrative?
#4 Did you not see an example sucking dry, an exact of what Jesus mentioned just a few verses, earlier in Mark 12:40, about widows' houses being devoured by scribes, happen in Mark 12:42 & Mark 12:44 in the narrative?

No, I am not saying the scribes made it a point to set up Jesus to watch a little old lady put in all she had

No, no no, scribes set nothing up
She put ''all'' in faith,
just like tithers give tithe by faith believing God will rebuke the devourer for them,
so that it will not destroy the fruits of their soil, and their vine in the field

Be Wrong Or Give Wrong And Your Tithing Is Still Zero!
God has his system of doing things under each dispensation he sets up. Before Israel God had a way he wanted believers to relate with him. When Israel was created God set up a system through which his people were to relate with him and live their lives.

If anyone in Israel, for example, chooses not to follow God’s established system for his time but chose to run his life by the system of the previous dispensation, the fact that it was a God-established system will not make it right. As long as he is not following the prescribed protocol for his time God will consider it wrong. Many examples abound in Scripture on this.

In 1 Corinthians 13 we are told that a GOOD thing done in a WRONG way becomes zero. We are told here that one can give everything including one's body to be burned but if it is not done in love, such acts profit NOTHING.

The motivation for doing a thing MUST be right for it to be acceptable to God. The story Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5 readily comes to mind. They gave money, perhaps a large amount, but their motivation for giving was false and wrong. As a result God’s disapproval was shown in their being struck dead. God does not accept any offering or giving that is not given with the right spirit or from anyone whose lifestyle is not right with God. (Malachi 1:10, Amos 5:22, 1 Cor. 13).

Today’s TITHING is improperly motivated because people are TAUGHT to GIVE TO GET. The motivation for Christian giving should be a grace response to the marvellous grace of God. God has done so much for us that we can really do NOTHING to reciprocate what he has done for us. What God calls for us to do is live a life of gratitude for all he has done for us.

The self-righteous TITHER will do well to look again at Luke 18: 9-14 where Jesus taught against wanting to be JUSTIFIED by what we do. If you tithe because you want to go back to a system instituted under a previous dispensation, you are doing it wrongly and that would be unacceptable to God. If you tithe because you want to ESCAPE some repercussion you have been threatened with you are doing it with a wrong motive. If you tithe because you hope to get from God your intention is equally wrong and before God such giving is zero – wood, hay and straw.

“It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”
Galatians 5:1

plainbibletruth:
Be Wrong Or Give Wrong And Your Tithing Is Still Zero!
God has his system of doing things under each dispensation he sets up. Before Israel God had a way he wanted believers to relate with him. When Israel was created God set up a system through which his people were to relate with him and live their lives.

If anyone in Israel, for example, chooses not to follow God’s established system for his time but chose to run his life by the system of the previous dispensation, the fact that it was a God-established system will not make it right. As long as he is not following the prescribed protocol for his time God will consider it wrong. Many examples abound in Scripture on this.

In 1 Corinthians 13 we are told that a GOOD thing done in a WRONG way becomes zero. We are told here that one can give everything including one's body to be burned but if it is not done in love, such acts profit NOTHING.

The motivation for doing a thing MUST be right for it to be acceptable to God. The story Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5 readily comes to mind. They gave money, perhaps a large amount, but their motivation for giving was false and wrong. As a result God’s disapproval was shown in their being struck dead. God does not accept any offering or giving that is not given with the right spirit or from anyone whose lifestyle is not right with God. (Malachi 1:10, Amos 5:22, 1 Cor. 13).

Today’s TITHING is improperly motivated because people are TAUGHT to GIVE TO GET. The motivation for Christian giving should be a grace response to the marvellous grace of God. God has done so much for us that we can really do NOTHING to reciprocate what he has done for us. What God calls for us to do is live a life of gratitude for all he has done for us.

The self-righteous TITHER will do well to look again at Luke 18: 9-14 where Jesus taught against wanting to be JUSTIFIED by what we do. If you tithe because you want to go back to a system instituted under a previous dispensation, you are doing it wrongly and that would be unacceptable to God. If you tithe because you want to ESCAPE some repercussion you have been threatened with you are doing it with a wrong motive. If you tithe because you hope to get from God your intention is equally wrong and before God such giving is zero – wood, hay and straw.

“It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”
Galatians 5:1

⁷Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of tithe-money rams, or with endless rivers of oil?
Am I to give my tithe firstborn to pay for my rebellion, the fruit of my body in exchange for my soul?
⁸He has made it clear to you, mortal man, what is good and what the LORD is requiring from you
— to act with justice, to treasure the LORD's gracious love, and to walk humbly in the company of your God.
- Micah 6:7-8

As you enter the house of God, keep your ears open and your mouth shut.
It is evil to give tithe make mindless offerings to God
- Ecclesiastes 5:1

MuttleyLaff looking at the old woman's story, I never really seen it the way you had pointed it out to me, to be honest it was quite interesting. Her faith was their-than 'so was the tithers greed..
This is why I love the Lord bro, He speaks to us all, so we all understand Him the way He wants us to understand His word.
Interesting.
Thanks brother.

MuttleyLaff:
⁷Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of tithe-money rams, or with endless rivers of oil?
Am I to give my tithe firstborn to pay for my rebellion, the fruit of my body in exchange for my soul?
⁸He has made it clear to you, mortal man, what is good and what the LORD is requiring from you
— to act with justice, to treasure the LORD's gracious love, and to walk humbly in the company of your God.
- Micah 6:7-8

As you enter the house of God, keep your ears open and your mouth shut.
It is evil to give tithe make mindless offerings to God
- Ecclesiastes 5:1

brocab:
MuttleyLaff looking at the old woman's story, I never really seen it the way you had pointed it out to me, to be honest it was quite interesting
Her faith was their-than 'so was the tithers greed..

The scribe and poor widow's Mark 12:38-44 was about:
Warning, Criticism and then Proof Positive of the warning & criticism

brocab:
This is why I love the Lord bro, He speaks to us all, so we all understand Him the way He wants us to understand His word.

Interesting

God is Good and there is liberty in His presence, that why sometimes, I laugh along with the Lord, over amusing things

brocab:
Thanks brother

[As] iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens the wits of another
- Proverbs 27:17
No brother, you're a honourable man, thank you.

{John 16:12-14, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, 1 Thessalonians 5:11} Don't forget bro the Word never ends, we either encourage one another, receive the Holy Spirit as promised, "Seek" instruction in righteousness, learning to correct, and know this is our key to success in the Lord as directed.
All we lock ourselves away deep into a cupboard, hiding in darkness away with those other unbelieving Christians who aren't "Seeking" at all.
This I know, the Lord smiles, when we live by faith. {Numbers 6:26, Psalm 119:135}

MuttleyLaff:
The scribe and poor widow's Mark 12:38-44 was about:
Warning, Criticism and then Proof Positive of the warning & criticism

God is Good and there is liberty in His presence, that why sometimes, I laugh along with the Lord, over amusing things

[As] iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens the wits of another
- Proverbs 27:17
No brother, you're a honourable man, thank you.

petra1:


Partly . The full time ministers in the church stands as levite now.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

that verse doesnt support the Partly nonsense you state up there Man.

stop lying , no correlation , they are not Sons of Aaron . You can as well tell me Levites preach the gospel too. Nonsense

Because money must be made, my nigga.

Peacefullove:

that verse doesnt support the Partly nonsense you state up there Man.

no correlation , they are not Sons of Aaron .

Perfect correlation

You can as well tell me Levites preach the gospel too.

Before nko.

2 Chronicles 30:22
22 And Hezekiah spake comfortably unto all the Levites that taught the good knowledge of the Lord: and they did eat throughout the feast seven days, offering peace offerings, and making confession to the Lord God of their fathers.

The Pope of Rome is calling back her disciples of darkness, Prosperity Preachers are slowly but surely all over the world, men and women without God are returning back to their own vomit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LNJ6Jb3DOc
Anybody who collects tithes or offerings, preaches it, runs with it, is against God.

petra1:


Perfect correlation

before its partly, now its perfect. That what u get when u start telling lies

abeg stop this lies , Levites remain the Sons of Aaron . its either you are one or Not . no shortcut

Before nko.

2 Chronicles 30:22
22 And Hezekiah spake comfortably unto all the Levites that taught the good knowledge of /the Lord: and they did eat throughout the feast seven days, offering peace offerings, and making confession to the Lord God of their fathers.

Chai! stop exhibiting poor knowledge of the Bible .

you better check yourself well, Gospel that Paul is talking about is woven around Jesus Christ , So I wonder how Levites have any knowledge of Jesus that havent come that they will preach it. Infact Remember Jesus didn't give the command to preach the Gospel until he came


your problem is @ bold , Check a good reference . the Lord in that verse is reffering to the God of Isreal. the name Yahweh was substituted with Lord , Its funny how many of you church men and women conclude every Lord u see in the bible is Jesus when its actually the God of Isreal, Yahweh. pathetic Churchianity

Peacefullove:



before its partly, now its perfect. That what u get when u start telling lies

abeg stop this lies , Levites remain the Sons of Aaron . its either you are one or Not . no shortcut

Chai! stop exhibiting poor knowledge of the Bible .

you better check yourself well, Gospel that Paul is talking about is woven around Jesus Christ , So I wonder how Levites have any knowledge of Jesus that havent come that they will preach it. Infact Remember Jesus didn't give the command to preach the Gospel until he came


your problem is @ bold , Check a good reference . the Lord in that verse is reffering to the God of Isreal. the name Yahweh was substituted with Lord , Its funny how many of you church men and women conclude every Lord u see in the bible is Jesus when its actually the God of Isreal, Yahweh. pathetic Churchianity

Priests were the teachers of their time . Olodo.

Let me add one or two scriptures for you .

Hebrews 4:2 (KJV)
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them. . .

Malachi 2:7
For the priest's lips should keep knowledge,
and they should seek the law at his mouth:
for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.


So next time don't ask a questions that you don't have the kidney for the answer

petra1:




Priests were the teachers of their time . Olodo.

Let me add one or two scriptures for you .

Hebrews 4:2 (KJV)
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them. . .

Malachi 2:7
For the priest's lips should keep knowledge,
and they should seek the law at his mouth:
for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.


So next time don't ask a questions that you don't have the kidney for the answer

I think by now We have expose your Lie that Nigerian men are Sons of Aaron or Levites

that alone shows you can go any length to lie.


I never said Levites are not teachers. infact what do they teach ! THE LAW of Moses !!!


what did paul Preach ? The gospel of Christ and Kingdom of God ( Luke 4:43 Jesus started the Gospel of the Kingdom of God , Paul and the other apostles follow suite ' proclaiming [ the Gospel of The Kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ ' Act 8 vs 12 . Mr petra I guess the Levites preach this too.


The basis of my question was when Paul quote Jesus as saying those who preach the gospel should live by the gospel. The gospel that Jesus preach which he handed over to his apostles is a totally different message from the teachings of the Law of moses which the Levites upheld. thus referencing that Bible portion to justify tithing is a total fraud .

Thus Gospel as referenced in that Corinthian's is the Gospel message that Jesus handed over to his apostles , which is what u cant comprehend .

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ilynem:
Contrary to popular belief, tithing is not an old testament thingy. Jesus spoke about it in Matthew 23:23.

They are not discussing wether it's new or old.

ilynem:

You don't get it. Jesus condemned the neglect of other charitable acts and not the payment of tithe. He was trying to say paying tithe alone is not enough. That doesn't mean you should condemn tithe paying. What you should condemn is the pastors neglect of other charitable acts.

Bro tithe is a must pay, but as new believers, cheerful giving has replace tithing. That's why Paul really dwell on cheerful giving

petra1:




Priests were the teachers of their time . Olodo.

Let me add one or two scriptures for you .

Hebrews 4:2 (KJV)
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them. . .

Malachi 2:7
For the priest's lips should keep knowledge,
and they should seek the law at his mouth:
for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.


So next time don't ask a questions that you don't have the kidney for the answer

Levites were given the tithes because they had mo inheritance among the Israelites.
The priests also received tithes from only the Levites and present it to God as an offering.
The truth is .. the tithing some Christians practice now is not the tithing of the law so therefore there is nothing like open heavens and curses associated with it.
And also the tithing some Christians practice now is not a commandment from God therefore it is not mandatory. It should be a free will giving to support full time Pastors, the ministry and the needy. Therefore it shouldn't be called tithe because it could be 1% or 99%. Note that tithe is specifically 10%.
So you can give a tenth(tithe) of your income to the poor, needy, matherless, fatherless, church, full time pastors etc on your own free will.

Malachi 3:10 originates from the law so you can't support the kind of tithe some Christians pay with it.


Shalom

{Matthew 6:21} Jesus said where your treasure is, their will be your heart also.
Allow me to study, and find the truth, where prosperity preaching actually began, and who started this lie from the beginning..
Why was the Catholic Church so powerful in the middle ages?
The Catholic Church's power in the middle ages was primarily derived from a combination of belief of money and illiteracy.
That is, most people in that age strongly believed in God, Heaven and Hell, and the Catholic Church was the centre of that belief.
The Catholic Church put forth the belief that people could only get to Heaven through the Church, Most people in the time period paid 10% of their income to the Church, giving an incredible wealth, and the Church did not pay Taxes.
On top of regular tithing, parishioners, often had to pay for ceremonies, such as baptism, and they paid penances also.
Others gave land to the Church, meaning it held about 30% of Western Europe in land.
The other part of the Church's power, came from the fact that most parishioners were illiterate which meant they had to rely on the Church interpret the biblical text.
So now we know where the teaching came from, non biblical prosperity preachers re-born straight out from among the Catholic Church.
The Pope had asked his prosperity preachers who aren't true Christians to return back to their rightful playground, Kenneth Copeland recants and returns to Catholicism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LNJ6Jb3DOc

Gombs:


So, Paul that now quoted one of the 10commandments nko? Ephesians 6:1-2...he must have 'selected' it and discarded the rest?

The ten commandment is a moral law.
Morality exist even with or without a law.
Alot of people have not seen or heard of the 10 commandments before but they honour their parents.
So you can quote from the ten commandments because it is a moral law and morality will always exist.

Thank you

ilynem:

God gave a rule, obey it. If our pastors use it to satisfy selfish needs, God is the judge. You pay tax whether the government Channels your tax to the right thing or embezzles it. It doesn't stop you from paying tax because it's a law. Same goes with tithe paying.

wrong analogy. your perspective is base on what you see giving your own social reality. whereas, in ideal societies their exist a form of social contract between government and the people. while the later pays its tax, the former utilizes it for the benefit of all; not of self as the case with the churches.

atuanso84:


wrong analogy. your perspective is base on what you see giving your own social reality. whereas, in ideal societies their exist a form of social contract between government and the people. while the later pays its tax, the former utilizes it for the benefit of all; not of self as the case with the churches.

That aside, there is absolutely nowhere in scripture God asked believers to pay tithes of money from their income. Monetary tithe is arrived at from fraudulently twisting scriptures.

Luke 18:12

18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

he said I give tithe of all that I possess, this is a proof that tithe is not of food only as claimed from certain quarters.

{Luke 11:42} The Pharisees tithed mint and other herbs, which is a Food product, so your theory doesn't prove anything..
This is something Jesus wouldn't do, nor did He teach His disciples, nor Christians to tithe.
{Luke 20:47} The Pharisees, just like the Prosperity preachers today, devouring the Church, make long prayers, sitting in the best places, travelling too and fro, ripping of the treasury, buying Mega Homes, Mega Churches, and tax free business..
Is this enough proof for you, from food, people have twisted the Word of God into a cash flow business, from you, your family, your friends, and if there is anyone else out there, that chases after this same doctrine, "all" are chasing after a money back guarantee some 30, others 60, and most 100 fold doctrine that didn't exist.

RALPHOW:
Luke 18:12

18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

he said I give tithe of all that I possess, this is a proof that tithe is not of food only as claimed from certain quarters.

I was listening to Jimmy Swaggart with his son last night, he preaches against prosperity pimps, and than turns around asking for $5000 from everyone to invest in books getting one free of charge 'his say, how we should connect to God, plus Jimmy Swaggart had written a study bible, selling each $1000.
It just shows how these Prosperity preachers work across the globe, the Televisions are flooded with idea's to gain a financial wage. Jesus said: get out of My Fathers house, this is a house of prayer. It doesn't matter how the truth sounds, there will always be someone out there that disobey's the Word of God and chooses to rip off millions. "And you that tithe, walk away, Jesus had told you to walk away.{1 Timothy 6:3-5}
Of cause no-one seems to mention the bible, there's no price given on that, if people read the bible more, instead of relying on other books, they will know there is only one way into the kingdom of God..
Prosperity pimps are everywhere, either they preach the tithing sermon or they are selling books C/D's DVD's-giving us false literature how we should understand, how they think how we should reach out to God without reading the bible.
Most of these books are written by pastors-who now believe Jesus is not the only way into Heaven, pastors that believe homosexual marriage is the right thing to vote for, pastors believe taking the mark of the beast is God's call.
One of the many books sold in Christian book stores around the globe is called The Wicca, by Gerald Gardener, this book holds pagan beliefs of witchcraft, and many have falling for it, the "Shack" by William P Young, is another best seller in stores across the globe, these men haven't the slightest idea who God is, but without a care Christian book stores are allowing these prosperity preachers sell these books that's leading thousands of believers away from the truth.
{2 Thessalonians 2:9-12} The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusions, that they should believe the lie, that they all maybe condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Prosperity is knocking on our doors, Christians are more focus on pleasures of unrighteousness, then they are focused on their bibles that is safely hidden in the closet.

A cheerful giver doesn't mean it belongs to the pastor, when the pastor feels he needs to stand up every week from the pulpit asking for tithes, it proves "TITHES DOES NOT BELONG TO A PASTOR.. "TITHES BELONG TO THE POOR. These men are unstable, and it proves there's no trust between a pastor and his Church.
These days we understand the Church stands fern psychically, but mentally-its foundations are unreliable, untrusted unstable, men begging like animals, this must satisfy their souls, "Will I rob God.
Jesus said: we are to be a cheerful giver, and I am...the Lord blesses me, as I give, a percentage doesn't enter into my mind, meaning stop relying on your pastors to give as little as 10% for you.
{Luke 14:14} Jesus said: give to those who can't pay you back, "As proven Pastors collect tithes for their personal financial gain, most pastors are takers, not givers, spending tithes on their own pleasures "buying fancy Cars, Mega Churches and homes, living the life style of the rich and the famous, while in Africa the poor stays poor, living the tithing lie-in ruins waiting to die of hunger..
{Matthew 25:35-40} Jesus said: For I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me.
Then the righteous will answer Him saying, "Lord" when did we see You hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give You drink, when did we see You a stranger and take You in, and clothed You, or when did we see You sick, or in prison to come to You?
And the King will answer and say to them, "Assuredly" I say to you, inasmuch as you did it too one of the least, you did to Me.'
Naira say's I paid my tithes, and I am a stranger and no-one took me in, I paid my tithes, I am hungry and no-one gave me food, I paid my tithes, I am thirsty and no-one gave me drink, I paid my tithes, now I am sick and no-one visited me, I paid my tithes, I was in prison and no-one came to me, then my pastor said to me, be warm my son, God is with you, and sent me away empty handed.
'And the Church of Naira say's, Blessed are the poor, who didn't receive. "Amen.

Men and women on drugs, drink, porn, and everything else that follows, these are prayed for..
It's the Church that needs our prayers, believers in Christ who have one foot in the door, and the other in the world, Christians that come to Church on Sunday, who does bible studies and fits in with the crowd are the ones that needs our prayers.
Young people coming to Christ-because mummy and daddy are Christians, they say to their Children, which way would you prefer, to be with Jesus in heaven in all His glory, or spend eternity burning in hell! Of course the Children will say they would rather spend eternity with Jesus, then Mummy and Daddy will say 'now say this prayer, and everything will be alright, you are saved.
Most Christians believe once saved always saved, this isn't true, those who are truly saved, are led by the Spirit changing for Christ.
{Romans 7:18-19} Paul makes himself clear, how he feels after sinning, "But now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me, {that is, in my flesh} nothing good dwells, but to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will do, I do not do, but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
This is a heart of a Christian living for Christ.
Are people coming to Christ for the right reasons, most of the time Mummy and Daddy haven't a clue where their Children are, they can pull the wool over their parents eye's, but they can't pull it over God's.
But not only the youth are to blame, of the street, or just out of prison Pastors, have learned new ways how to make plenty of money without them being caught by the law.
Legalism in Church have allowed criminals to turn a Church into a business, that's earning monies they themselves couldn't of made in a life time on the street.
Pastors preaching to be paid.

Junia:


Delusion ..
Werent there fishermen at that time ??
Werent there tent makers at that time ??
Did Jesus pay tithe ??
Did Paul pay tithe ??
Did any of the apostles pay tithe ??
Did any of the apostles teach about tithing ??

I said main occupation, that doesn't mean there are no other occupations.
Jesus paying tithe, seriously? It's like asking God to pay tithe, he only paid tax, but it's to prove a point that we are to give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser and to God what belongs to God. Everything belongs to God but he only asked for 10%

The bible never mentioned Paul or any disciple paying tithe but that doesn't mean they didn't pay tithe.... Besides tithing is suppose to be yearly and you are supposed to eat your tithe before the Lord.

samuelezekiel:


I said main occupation, that doesn't mean there are no other occupations.
Jesus paying tithe, seriously? It's like asking God to pay tithe, he only paid tax, but it's to prove a point that we are to give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser and to God what belongs to God. Everything belongs to God but he only asked for 10%

The bible never mentioned Paul or any disciple paying tithe but that doesn't mean they didn't pay tithe.... Besides tithing is suppose to be yearly and you are supposed to eat your tithe before the Lord.

Good. The tithe you just mentioned was under the law (The law of Moses).
Now, no Christian is under the law of Moses.
So you can decide to pay tithes. Not because God is demanding it. But because you are grateful of His provisions.
An example is Abraham (Not under the Mosaic law)

Junia:

Good. The tithe you just mentioned was under the law (The law of Moses).
Now, no Christian is under the law of Moses.
So you can decide to pay tithes. Not because God is demanding it. But because you are grateful of His provisions.
An example is Abraham (Not under the Mosaic law)

Abraham was not under the Mosaic law
but Abraham gave tithe under a custom law of that prevailing society setting to give a tenth of war spoils to a king cum priest of considerable or worthwhile repute