sino:
^^^
I have had enough of your "reasoning"! You do not understand what and how analogies are being used and applied, you know nothing about the "theories" you believe which keeps changing, you do not even understand what is observable about the universe and what is empirical evidence in science.

Enjoy your ignorance, after all, your favorite line is "science does not know yet..."

You analogy are flawed, just accept it.

Theory in science
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

You said big bang can't be observed, why then it's a theory in science?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Do you know why? Because it can be measured.

Just go and rest my brother.

tintingz:
You analogy are flawed, just accept it.

Theory in science
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

You said big bang can't be observed, why then it's a theory in science?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Do you know why? Because it can be measured.

Just go and rest my brother.

Did science say big bang was observed or observable? What was measured? The big bang? How?!

tintingz:
You agreed Allah is an angry god that depends on human worship?

u have serious comprehension problem shayateen are playing tricks in ur head right now

sino:


Did science say big bang was observed or observable? What was measured? The big bang? How?!

Hubble's law

Empiree:
u have serious comprehension problem shayateen are playing tricks in ur head right now

I guess shaytan is not Impotent.

tintingz:
Hubble's law

Lol! I thought as much, continue in your ignorance!

sino:


Lol! I thought as much, continue in your ignorance!

Is it observable or not?

tintingz:
Is it observable or not?

I asked questions you didn't answer, you mentioned a law instead, and now you are asking me the same question I asked you? Seriously?!

State Hubble's law and use it to answer my questions...

Did science say the big bang was observed or observable? According to Hubble's law, was the big bang measured?! If yes, how?

sino:

I asked questions you didn't answer, you mentioned a law instead, and now you are asking me the same question I asked you? Seriously?!

State Hubble's law and use it to answer my questions...

Did science say the big bang was observed or observable? According to Hubble's law, was the big bang measured?! If yes, how?

SMH.

The big bang can be observe through measurements, big bang is not an explosion state like bomb explosion but expansion, that's the problem you're having, you're depicting big bang as an explosion state. Big Bang was not observed when universe started expanding, no living humans exist then, but it's observed that it happened and how it happened.

The big bang is when the universe started expanding.

* Hubble law

Hubble's law is the name for the observation in physical cosmology that:

1. Objects observed in deep space - extragalactic space, 10 megaparsecs (Mpc) or more - are found to have a red shift, interpreted as a relative velocity away from Earth;

2. This Doppler shift-measured velocity, of various galaxies receding from the Earth, is approximately proportional to their distance from the Earth for galaxies up to a few hundred megaparsecs away.

Hubble's law is considered the first observational basis for the expansion of the universe and today serves as one of the pieces of evidence most often cited in support of the Big Bang model. The motion of astronomical objects due solely to this expansion is known as the Hubble flow.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law

* Big Bang

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution. The model describes how the universe expanded from a very high-density and high-temperature state, and offers a comprehensive explanation for a broad range of phenomena, including the abundance of light elements, the cosmic microwave background (CMB), large scale structure and Hubble's law.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

The emboldened is how the Big Bang was observed.

The big bang is still the model/theory used by all scientists to explain the expansion of the universe, if there is any other one kindly state it.

tintingz:
SMH.

The big bang can be observe through measurements, big bang is not an explosion state like bomb explosion but expansion, that's the problem you're having, you're depicting big bang as an explosion state. Big Bang was not observed when universe started expanding, no living humans exist then, but it's observed that it happened and how it happened.

The big bang is when the universe started expanding.

* Hubble law

Hubble's law is the name for the observation in physical cosmology that:

1. Objects observed in deep space - extragalactic space, 10 megaparsecs (Mpc) or more - are found to have a red shift, interpreted as a relative velocity away from Earth;

2. This Doppler shift-measured velocity, of various galaxies receding from the Earth, is approximately proportional to their distance from the Earth for galaxies up to a few hundred megaparsecs away.

Hubble's law is considered the first observational basis for the expansion of the universe and today serves as one of the pieces of evidence most often cited in support of the Big Bang model. The motion of astronomical objects due solely to this expansion is known as the Hubble flow.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law

* Big Bang

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution. The model describes how the universe expanded from a very high-density and high-temperature state, and offers a comprehensive explanation for a broad range of phenomena, including the abundance of light elements, the cosmic microwave background (CMB), large scale structure and Hubble's law.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

The emboldened is how the Big Bang was observed.

The big bang is still the model/theory used by all scientists to explain the expansion of the universe, if there is any other one kindly state it.

First, you do not understand what you are reading and quoting at all! I never said the big bang was an explosion like a bomb! Seriously, repeating that is just showing your lack of knowledge.

From your two quotes, what was observed and measured was the resultant effects of the big bang! If science tells you that this big bang occurred 14 billion years ago, does that not mean it started at a point? "The universe started expanding from a high-density, high-temperature state" was this state observed or observable?! You said it yourself, "the big bang was when the expansion started", and no scientist can observe this, it is therefore pure speculation and imagination! Extrapolation of what is observed (not the big bang) backward! Even from the wiki link, it is stated that "The earliest phases of the Big Bang are subject to much speculation" So what are you saying?! You didn't understand my question?!

Now to further show how you had been arguing blindly throughout this thread, can you tell us what started this big bang? I mean, what caused this expansion? Can cosmologist and quantum physicists explain this?! And according to you, since we do not know what caused the big bang other than mere speculations, well then, it is sure a fairy tale, a big fallacy right?!

sino:


First, you do not understand what you are reading and quoting at all! I never said the big bang was an explosion like a bomb! Seriously, repeating that is just showing your lack of knowledge.

From your two quotes, what was observed and measured was the resultant effects of the big bang! If science tells you that this big bang occurred 14 billion years ago, does that not mean it started at a point? "The universe started expanding from a high-density, high-temperature state" was this state observed or observable?! You said it yourself, "the big bang was when the expansion started", and no scientist can observe this, it is therefore pure speculation and imagination! Extrapolation of what is observed (not the big bang) backward! Even from the wiki link, it is stated that "The earliest phases of the Big Bang are subject to much speculation" So what are you saying?! You didn't understand my question?!

Now to further show how you had been arguing blindly throughout this thread, can you tell us what started this big bang? I mean, what caused this expansion? Can cosmologist and quantum physicists explain this?! And according to you, since we do not know what caused the big bang other than mere speculations, well then, it is sure a fairy tale, a big fallacy right?!

# First of all you need to define scientific theory, and is everything about the universe a fact?

# Secondly, were humans existing when the big bang started? What's big bang?

# Thirdly, when it said about the starting expansion of the universe, does that mean the edge of the universe or beginning?


The Hubble Space Telescope is what was used to observe the expansion of the universe( the deep space, the abundance of light elements, the cosmic microwave background (CMB), large scale structure), it shows you didn't even read the emboldened part in my previous post, so when you said "imagination" I don't understand this your fallacy here, and the funniest thing is Adam cannot be observed, calculated, measured, no fossil of him to prove his existence and I wonder who's imagining?

Oga like I said, go and rest.

Sino, this is what I posted in my previous post.

Scientists imagine what they observe not santa or fairies!

The universe can be observed, this made scientists to imagine what could cause the universe resulting to different theories, anybody can imagine anything outside the universe be it unicorns flying around.

We know NOTHING what's outside the universe for now.
https://www.nairaland.com/4290485/non-muslims-ask-created-allaah/2#64350513

I can remember I answered you, but you feel like continuing the straw-man argument to be relevant.

tintingz:
Sino, this is what I posted in my previous post.

Scientists imagine what they observe not santa or fairies!

The universe can be observed, this made scientists to imagine what could cause the universe resulting to different theories, anybody can imagine anything outside the universe be it unicorns flying around.

We know NOTHING what's outside the universe for now.
https://www.nairaland.com/4290485/non-muslims-ask-created-allaah/2#64350513

I can remember I answered you, but you feel like continuing the straw-man argument to be relevant.

And I clearly stated that if it was observable, then it wouldn't be imagined, and no need for extrapolations and speculations! Why are you contradicting yourself?! Science cannot observe what caused the universe (because it is unknown to science), so these "theories" which cannot be observed are at par with santa or fairies! Simple!

“Or were they created by nothing? Or were they the creators (of themselves)? Or did they create heavens and earth? Rather, they are not certain.” (Quran 52:35-36)

sino:


And I clearly stated that if it was observable, then it wouldn't be imagined, and no need for extrapolations and speculations! Why are you contradicting yourself?! Science cannot observe what caused the universe (because it is unknown to science), so these "theories" which cannot be observed are at par with santa or fairies! Simple!

“Or were they created by nothing? Or were they the creators (of themselves)? Or did they create heavens and earth? Rather, they are not certain.” (Quran 52:35-36)

What caused the big bang is another theory.

That the expansion of the universe which is the big bang happened can be observe by observing the expansion of the universe itself leading to a density point (gravitational singularity).

The problem you have in your fairy book is how can Adam be observe that he existed? What archaeological, anthropology, paleontology, geology evidence support the existence of Adam?

Between Big Bang/Evolution and 6 days creation in the Quran which is close to fact to you?

If the law of "something come from nothing" is false like the Quran said, is the same law/question not apply to Allah? If Allah came from Nothing, does that make the Quran statement false? Logic is logic, Allah can't eat his cake and have it too.

sino:


so these "theories" which cannot be observed are at par with santa or fairies! Simple!

Also with Allah, prove me wrong.

tintingz:
....

Atheists are liars. The reason you have been unreasonable throughout this thread and similar thread. This is 4 minutes video to watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eyi69H93lXw

tintingz:
What caused the big bang is another theory.

Of course, it is another theory or theories which are not backed by any empircal evidence, thus they are speculations, nay, fairy tales!

tintingz:

That the expansion of the universe which is the big bang happened can be observe by observing the expansion of the universe itself leading to a density point (gravitational singularity).

What?! This is a mockery of the theory, you cannot claim the big bang that happened about 14 billion years ago is what is being observed today! How is the present observable expansion lead to gravitational singularity?

tintingz:

The problem you have in your fairy book is how can Adam be observe that he existed? What archaeological, anthropology, paleontology, geology evidence support the existence of Adam?

Sorry, we are not talking about Adam here, but anyways, whether you believe in evolution or creation, we had first fully formed human ancestors, else we wouldn't be here...

tintingz:

Between Big Bang/Evolution and 6 days creation in the Quran which is close to fact to you?

To me, after reflecting on different verses of the Qur'an stating that the concept of time is different, especially when you consider that even on earth, different countries experience time differently, not to mention other planets in and outside of our galaxy, then 6 days may not translate to 6 days on our planet earth!

tintingz:

If the law of "something come from nothing" is false like the Quran said, is the same law/question not apply to Allah? If Allah came from Nothing, does that make the Quran statement false? Logic is logic, Allah can't eat is cake and have it too.

Actually, philosophically and scientifically speaking, something cannot come from nothing, which is a major problem for you people that deny a creator of the universe, and hide under ignorance!

Allah (SWT) asked you questions, did you come from nothing? Did you create yourself or were you the creator of the universe? All these questions are yet to be answered by science you so much believe in. Allah then said you are clearly uncertain, because you keep jumping from one theory to another, or keep tweaking a theory to accommodate new findings but even at that, you are still clueless!

Allah (SWT ) is not created, so saying Allah came from nothing is redundant, Allah is eternal, has no begining and has no end, and there is nothing comparable to Him! That is what is stated in the Qur'an!

tintingz:
Also with Allah, prove me wrong.

On the contrary Mr., I only borrowed your "reasoning" to show you that a lot of what you believe is science, are just tales by moonlight!

I have already pointed to you that the fact that we are here, as well as the universe gives the most credible evidence of a creator, Allah (SWT).

Please, I did overlooked a post from you, and it has to do with you being a mistake of evolution, since evolution isn't perfect and very dumb! Care to shed more ligh on this?

sino:

On the contrary Mr., I only borrowed your "reasoning" to show you that a lot of what you believe is science, are just tales by moonlight!

Allah, fairies, aliens, pink unicorn, santa, Odin, Olorun, Brahma, Zeus, Unkulunkulu etc are all in the same category, they are all imaginary entities, you can't prove nor disprove them, you can't disprove something imagined. This is what Empiree and many of you don't get.

But when it comes down to science fields of study you will have prove these entities with evidence.

I have already pointed to you that the fact that we are here, as well as the universe gives the most credible evidence of a creator, Allah (SWT).

Flying spaghetti monster is the creator, stop the false statement.

Please, I did overlooked a post from you, and it has to do with you being a mistake of evolution, since evolution isn't perfect and very dumb! Care to shed more ligh on this?

Evolution is not dumb. Evolution is close to perfect to explain how we came to be but using Evolution for a God shows an imperfect God. Evolution means development and modifications, if a God is said to be perfect, all-powerful and all-knowing why does the creation need modifications when God is perfect and all-knowing? Are we also perfect?

sino:

Of course, it is another theory or theories which are not backed by any empircal evidence, thus they are speculations, nay, fairy tales!

Ofcos what cause the big bang are still fairytale, scientists agree they don't know for sure what cause the big bang but religious people don't mind believing in thier Superstitions to be real.

I prefer to be agnostic than believing in Superstitions.

What?! This is a mockery of the theory, you cannot claim the big bang that happened about 14 billion years ago is what is being observed today! How is the present observable expansion lead to gravitational singularity?

Are we to start this all over again after the observational model I provided?

This is not a mockery to the theory, it's a prediction undecided by physicists, it's what they assumed from what they observe and measure.

They have answered you here,

Physicists are undecided whether the prediction of singularities means that they actually exist (or existed at the start of the Big Bang), or that current knowledge is insufficient to describe what happens at such extreme densities.

General relativity predicts that any object collapsing beyond a certain point (for stars this is the Schwarzschild radius) would form a black hole, inside which a singularity (covered by an event horizon) would be formed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity

It's still a theory being studied not a fact yet.

Sorry, we are not talking about Adam here, but anyways, whether you believe in evolution or creation, we had first fully formed human ancestors, else we wouldn't be here...

Before humans are fully formed (homo sapiens), was evolution before that? If yes, how does it fit in with perfect first man Adam?

To me, after reflecting on different verses of the Qur'an stating that the concept of time is different, especially when you consider that even on earth, different countries experience time differently, not to mention other planets in and outside of our galaxy, then 6 days may not translate to 6 days on our planet earth!

Infact the creation days In the Quran shows Allah work with time.

So how can we calculate the 6 days in the Quran?

Actually, philosophically and scientifically speaking, something cannot come from nothing, which is a major problem for you people that deny a creator of the universe, and hide under ignorance!

I have said it, I don't have problem of something coming from something as long as Allah come/came from something, the moment you single out Allah, you are agreeing something can come from nothing.

And when it comes to creator, I'm agnostic about it ,aliens can be our creators.

Allah (SWT) asked you questions, did you come from nothing? Did you create yourself or were you the creator of the universe? All these questions are yet to be answered by science you so much believe in. Allah then said you are clearly uncertain, because you keep jumping from one theory to another, or keep tweaking a theory to accommodate new findings but even at that, you are still clueless!

I prefer to be uncertain in what I don't know yet.

So I'm asking you(as Allah spoke person), Did Allah come from nothing?

Allah (SWT ) is not created, so saying Allah came from nothing is redundant, Allah is eternal, has no begining and has no end, and there is nothing comparable to Him! That is what is stated in the Qur'an!

The universe can also be infinite, pandiesm sees the universe as thier God.

Since Allah doesn't come from something nor nothing, he has no beginning (not self-created) that is problematic to an existing entity and this(ad Infinitum) is problematic to rational reasoning and IMPOSSIBLE like the OP said.

tintingz:
Allah, fairies, aliens, pink unicorn, santa, Odin, Olorun, Brahma, Zeus, Unkulunkulu etc are all in the same category, they are all imaginary entities, you can't prove nor disprove them, you can't disprove something imagined. This is what Empiree and many of you don't get.

you can tell us how you came into being?

Empiree:
you can tell us how you came into being?

Flying spaghetti monster created everything!

tintingz:
Flying spaghetti monster created everything!

when I said earlier that shayateen are playing tricks with you, I didn't misspeak.

For the sake of this argument, at least you believe FSM is your creator contrary to your saying there is no creator. Obviously there are plenty of the so called spaghetti monster. So you gonna have to tell us which of them created the world

Let's see what your "creator" looks and if he exist at all?. The ugly thing you called your creator live in the deep sea and can't even help itself

Even United States can't tolerate the bullsh!t ideology, cuz know it is rubbish. And finally, it is said that FSM created the world 4000 yrs ago while it was drunk .... Ooh yea, your "god" was drunk. To say that you are misguided is understament. You have exhibited the behavior of kufar.

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Empiree:
Atheists are liars. The reason you have been unreasonable throughout this thread and similar thread. This is 4 minutes video to watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eyi69H93lXw

Lol, I can destroy/absurd this sentiment argument with just a blink of eye.

What the sheikh said in the video has been argued here.

* How did God created energy when it can't be created nor destroyed, where did he get the energy material to create the universe?

* If there's a creator, why are you sentimental to pick Allah, what happens to other creators/imaginary entities?

* If something must come from something, where did Allah come from?

Please pass this to the sheikh to answer or you do the answering.

Empiree:
when I said earlier that shayateen are playing tricks with you, I didn't misspeak.

For the sake of this argument, at least you believe FSM is your creator contrary to your saying there is no creator. Obviously there are plenty of the so called spaghetti monster. So you gonna have to tell us which of them created the world

Let's see what your "creator" looks and if he exist at all?. The ugly thing you called your creator live in the deep sea and can't even help itself

Even United States can't tolerate the bullsh!t ideology, cuz know it is rubbish. And finally, it is said that FSM created the world 4000 yrs ago while it was drunk .... Ooh yea, your "god" was drunk. To say that you are misguided is understament. You have exhibited the behavior of kufar.

Lol, now the reductio ad absurdum is working, you can see the absurdity about believing in a personal fairy God.

Now the same argument you're trying to disprove Flying spaghetti monster(even tho you have not disprove his existence), why not use it to disprove Allah?

You only screenshot about Almighty Flying Spaghetti monster not disproving his existence as God and creator.

So...
Allah created the universe in 6 days, he created Adam with sand and Eve from his rib, he revealed a book to an Arab man in a desert cave, his goal is to put people in paradise and hell, he's concerned about women unclothedness etc. These are not ridiculous to you?

Is Islam accepted by everyone, China for example?

tintingz:
Lol, now the reductio ad absurdum is working, you can see the absurdity about believing in a personal fairy God.

Now the same argument you're trying to disprove Flying spaghetti monster(even tho you have not disprove his existence), why not use it to disprove Allah?

You only screenshot about Almighty Flying Spaghetti monster not disproving his existence as God and creator.

Pastafarians themselves know that 'it' doesnt exist in the sense that it is not a god or creator. They said in their article that "unlike mainstream christianity which believe that words in the Bible are not literal, therefore, FSM is not real". Pastafarianism is a heretic branch of christianity which I am sure majority of christians reject the nonsense. As for bolded part, my question stands, who is your Lord since FSM doesnt exist?.

"Flying Spaghetti Monster" is simply twin version of octopus. The creature itself exist in the sea but not a creator. YOu have a long way to go man.

Empiree:
Pastafarians themselves know that 'it' doesnt exist in the sense that it is not a god or creator. They said in their article that "unlike mainstream christianity which believe that words in the Bible are not literal, therefore, FSM is not real". Pastafarianism is a heretic branch of christianity which I am sure majority of christians reject the nonsense. As for bolded part, my question stands, who is your Lord since FSM doesnt exist?.

"Flying Spaghetti Monster" is simply twin version of octopus. The creature itself exist in the sea but not a creator. YOu have a long way to go man.

Where did Pastafarian said Flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist and not a Creator? Stop blasphemy, I'm a Pastafarian and I believe FSM exist, he's the creator of everything, everything about FSM is perfect, your invisible fairy God is not perfect.

Pastafarianism is not part of Christianity, I can agree it's coin since Christianity is a false religion so also other religions, stop given wrong and fallacious information.

Was Islam not coin from other Abrahamic religion?

I'm yet to see how your post negate Flying spaghetti monster as God and creator.

tintingz:
Where did Pastafarian said Flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist and not a Creator? Stop blasphemy, I'm a Pastafarian and I believe FSM exist, he's the creator of everything, everything about FSM is perfect, your invisible God is not perfect.

Pastafarianism is not part of Christianity, stop given wrong and fallacious information.

Was Islam not coin from other Abrahamic religion?

Ooh, I see. Seems you have just confessed your faith. You are Pastafarian.

it is a waste of time going back n forth. Do you agree your god FSM was drunk when it "created the world"?. You are obviously a pagan. If FSM created the world 4000yrs ago, how come it is only recognized in only 3 countries in the world and is only about 4yrs old?

It was first recognized in Poland in 2014 as official registered religion

There is no need to discuss Allah with you or how He created the world. You have been inundated with references and logical proofs and reasoning.


Pastafarianism is mockery of God. You can see that at their opening so called "prayer" in the attached picture up there. It is essentially atheistic godless ideology. It was actually made popular by American named Henderson Bobby. Flying Spaghetti ko, flying noodles ni

Bush!t like this always start from white people. It is them doing that crap.

Empiree:
Ooh, I see. Seems you have just confessed your faith. You are Pastafarian.

Yes I'm now a pastaferian since you cling that Allah is the creator, the only way to make you see your absurdity is becoming a believer. Reductio ad absurdum.

I'm placing FSM as Allah, I'm using Allah's logic and argument, you're using atheist or non-pastafarian/unbeliever logic, argument.

When you want to explain something to a kid, you come down to his/her level.

it is a waste of time going back n forth. Do you agree your god FSM was drunk when it "created the world"?. You are obviously a pagan.

And what happen to this if FSM was drunk when he created the universe, did Allah have good reason why he created us?

Do you agree Allah is concerned about women unclothedness or his throne is on water?

If FSM created the world 4000yrs ago, how come it is only recognized in only 3 countries in the world and is only about 4yrs old?

The Christian genesis creation for example is dated 10,000 years ago, do you agree Allah creation is 10,000 years ago or his creation was only 6 days?

Was Islam accepted by everyone? You didnt answer that when I asked.

I wonder how this negate FSM being a creator and God.

It was first recognized in Poland in 2014 as official registered religion

When was Islam established and where? Does that mean Muslim Allah started existing that period?

If I'm the only believer in FSM, you can't still disprove his existence, using the population of people to prove a God(Allah) has limited that God to that of Facebook and Gmail.

There is no need to discuss Allah with you or how He created the world. You have been inundated with references and logical proofs and reasoning.

Are you afraid to discuss Allah with me?

That the absurdity of Allah might be exposed?

Pastafarianism is mockery of God. You can see that at their opening so called "prayer" in the attached picture up there. It is essentially atheistic godless ideology. It was actually made popular by American named Henderson Bobby. Flying Spaghetti ko, flying noodles ni

Bush!t like this always start from while people. It is them doing that crap.

Does that mean FSM is not the creator and God? Was Islam not a borrowed pagan ideology by an Arab man?

FSM as been existing, then he revealed himself to we his creation. May FSM have mercy on you, Ramen.

Oni of Ife said Adam and Eve were blacks and created in Ile Ife.

Sino, Empiree do you agree?

https://www.nairaland.com/4306409/ooni-adam-eve-created-ile-ife

Pastafarian and Flying Spagheti Monster! A kind of Monster.....
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Well...having a brain is not related to using them.

tintingz:
May Flying spaghetti monster have mercy on you and guide you.

Emipree, sino, Albaqir, sissie, Rashduct4luv, imam tbaba1234. is this how your fellow Muslim behave cursing and threats of an imaginary place using the Quran because the debate is diminishing your faiths. .

This dude can't stand to tolerate logic, he took it emotional.

Who’s faith is diminishing, keep my name out.
You do not have the capacity to diminish my faith, you can continue with your illusions all you want, but don’t mention me. Take this seriously.

Like I told you earlier, your brain capacity is average at best, and I can’t be bothered having a discussion with you. I didn’t see you as a smart person even before you became an atheist, when you used to post in Islam, romance and family section. You are definitely not smarter now. Yeah yeah lots of people told you, you aren’t smart, and now you will try to come up with something smart to say as your reply, don’t bother it makes no difference.

So now that you are an atheist, reading all the stuffs some atheist posted on the internet and using that as your justification still shows you are not the brightest. Ordinary nigerian map sef you went to bring up one nonsense on the Internet

I have seen atheists who could atleast put up a decent argument. But you ehn.

I wonder what your IQ is, you should do an iq test and post your results so we