MuttleyLaff:
Face-palm. SMH

SMH.
Pay attention to my posts' content and details in it/them

Wow, was that a real or a bit of a fluke epiphany thing going on there for you

You're not just starting to learn,
but you're learning pretty fast
I dont mean that to be patronising, in any way, shape or form. It's just an observation

Well, it is all right, calling it "bulletproof and injury-proof skins" is something I can get used to, as opposed to "glorious clothing",

Reiterating, pain, in fact, was dormant and not active before the eating of the fruit
Pain, death, adversity, the beautiful, the good, the bad and the ugly, the whole shebang, came in to effect, after the loss of the glorious clothing
Oopsy daisy, you prefer "bulletproof and injury-proof skins", dont cha

Just so we're on the same page.

Adam and Eve did not have pain receptors. They had bulletproof bodies which they shed after eating the fruit upon which they immediately sprouted nociceptors right?

Got it!!!

dalaman:


Where is the evidence for this claim that it eats grass daily for an hour? I've seen pictures of it feeding on milk even as a big cat.

Why not ask the grass to get a stop watch too where they recorded the time.

vaxx:
lol , DO you wanner start domesticating lion

Lol
Well, a pig farm wouldn't do so why not?

Even some Jehovah's Witnesses were shocked and embarassed that their fellow christians can be disgracing themselves on online media, by claiming that lions eat grass!!! Here is what some of them had to say......................................................

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS 1:I think you're right. I've never seen a credible reference personally. (My comment above was quoting the JW veterinarian) I've read about zoos like the Tiergarten Schönbrunn running short of meat and trying alternatives, but they suffered terrible losses.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS 2:Anything is possible in mystical story telling ........ Anything.Trying to create a sense of rational logic out these stories is an effort of useless futility.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS 3: have never heard the anecdote about lions in a zoo fed on veggie. I do not recognize it as being in print ....Long before I left the dubs, or stopped believing in a New World, I had worked out that the vegetarianisation of all animals just could not be literally true. It was crazy !!!Thanks to T D (above) for providing his usual insight and knowledge. I can now explain what straw is - therefore they must accept that the verse is not literal , so it is NOT literal.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS 4:Not only are cats carnivores (yes, they eat greens for digestive purposes), but they need taurine in their diet, or they will go blind. Taurine cannot be had from a vegetarian diet. So, it's a lie.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS 5:A favorite JW anecdote is the fact that the big cats in some zoos were fed a vegetarian diet during the Second World War when meat was scarce. However this was food prepared by man. ---Not so very different than the dry cat food you would feed a family pet. The mechanical breakdown had already been done by grinding and components which the cat can only get from meat (Like taurine) were added artificially.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS 6:Well, duh. The lion laying down with the lamb is a metaphor. Not to be taken literally. I have argued with my JW hubby about this seven times sunday, but there is no fighting blind faith. Emphasis on blind.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS 7: I remember the Awake saying the teeth and claws were for ripping open "Husks" and Pinaeapples, coconuts etc.....of course most animal experts wet their pants with laughter.

JEHOVAHS WITNESS 8: What I never understood about this was - why did animals change in the first place? Why was there a necessity for animals to suddenly become predatory and carnivorous? And why are they so darned good at killing things if that was not their original purpose?I mean, does a Peregrine Falcon really need to dive at 180mph to catch. . . the grass?
mP was right anyway - carnivorous animals are not able to process their veggies properly, so they wouldn't last very long on a green diet.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS 9: As for the biblical passage, I think it refers more symbolically, that the natural order will be kept between wildlife and domestic life.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS 10:When I think of all this stupid nonsense I was taught growing up and just accepted as fact, I wish I had some grass!


The link:...........................................https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/223169/lions-eating-straw-this-possible?page=2

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS 11: It's complete rubbish. That's why you have to hit them up straight away and ask them to prove it.They won't find support for it anywhere. The myth was cabbages during WWII when I heard it. "They had really nice shiny coats!" "Tra la la" Off to fairy land.


The link:.......................................................https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/223169/lions-eating-straw-this-possible

vaxx:
lol , DO you wanner start domesticating lion

You asked if herbivores can eat meat.

Here is a video of a deer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrH46p1I3UA

ihatesycophant:

You're still not truthful about tribe that are totally nude. All I see in what you posted here are men going hunting for games. I see some use string to cover their private part, expecially the aged women among them meaning it wasn't a total nudity and they didn't subscribed to that. Show me a tribe that engage in total nudity as a way of life. Your link has not showed what you claimed. I also need from you a culture known for orgy as you claimed.
I did history and civilisation as a course in my 100level in school. You cannot begin to manufacture what is not and expect me to believe it.
Come to think of it, you raised 3 issues which I addressed with facts from history excerpt but you've been clever by half dodging them but rather indulge in throwing jab. An intelligent person discuss issue and not throw jab.

Unfortunately I don't consider u intelligent so I will throw a jab to remind u.
So u didn't see all those nude women sitting beside that guy in one of those pictures?

And u are not smart enough to notice that it is the photographer that is trying hard to avoid showing full frontal nudity and make the photos less NSFW so he uses whatever they are carrying to obscure their privates?

Just look at the quality of brain trying to engage me in a debate.

Get the fck out of my mentions u odious buffoon.

Vaxx more

This is a goat in india


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHlTIDu9ODM

And more



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD0IwJkL69U

butterflyl1on:


Why not ask the grass to get a stop watch too where they recorded the time.

Why are you always in a rush to let everyone know that you are mentally ill?

butterflyl1on:


You asked if herbivores can eat meat.

Here is a video of a deer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrH46p1I3UA

can i trained my ram?

vaxx:
can i trained my ram?

lol I think that's for you to find out. Perhaps not all herbivores can be drawn to meat. If you wish to train your Ram you can start by giving it cooked meat and then mixing cooked with raw then you switch fully to raw eventually.

It is possible though to train

butterflyl1on:


lol I think that's for you to find out. Perhaps not all herbivores can be drawn to meat. If you wish to train your Ram you can start by giving it cooked meat and then mixing cooked with raw then you switch fully to raw eventually.

It is possible though to train

i just love experiment.

butterflyl1on:


If you would speak this way devoid of your usual vitriol then I would have this conversation with you.

Let me post the King James version as you said



It says I WILL MULTIPLY THY SORROW.

What is meant to be multiplied in that passage? THY SORROW!

This means that there was sorrow already there in small measure but you and I know that there is no sorrow during labour so sorrow there means the PAIN during childbirth.

Going further to say IN SORROW SHALL THOU BRING FORTH CHILDREN was said after the multiplication of an already existing sorrow/pain

That scripture was not refering to lenght of time alone but also at intensity. The longer the labour, the longer the pain/sorrow.

So even what you thought was wrong is actually right.

Lenght of duration of labour is right
Length and intensity of pain is right.

What we know is that there is pain so be it a lengthy labour or a short one, an already existing pain/ sorrow has been multiplied.

Eve did not have to give birth before to know there would be pain. The one who made her (God) just let her in on something she shouldn't have known at that time. He created her and designed her for fruitfulness and multiplication (conception and delivery) so he also knew pain in some degree would be involved.

In other words, if Adam and Eve had given birth in heaven Eve would have experienced some degree of pains. But then again, sky daddy said there is no pain and sorrow in heaven. That is self-contradictory don't you think?

Xbee007:

In other words, if Adam and Eve had given birth in heaven Eve would have experienced some degree of pains. But then again, sky daddy said there is no pain and sorrow in heaven. That is self-contradictory don't you think?

Were Adam and eve in heaven? Was the garden of Eden in heaven?

butterflyl1on:


Were Adam and eve in heaven? Was the garden of Eden in heaven?

Was the garden of Eden not a microcosm of heaven? Adam and Eve had committed no sin before the apple saga so why should there be pain and sorrow, no matter how small it was.

Xbee007:

Was the garden of Eden not a microcosm of heaven? Adam and Eve had committed no sin before the apple saga so why should there be pain and sorrow, no matter how small it was.

Please I do not have the time to begin another round of ignorant banter with people who know nothing about scripture as the atheist they are yet want to argue it out like they are genuinely curious to know about it positively.

Sin brings condemnation and does not mean there was no pain. Eden was not heaven because it was a physical place with physical animals and physical people.

All the sensory organs were in man so he could feel, taste, hear, smell, etc.

The Bible talks about no weeping or sorrow in heaven with regards to no more death and no more sadness. However since heaven is a spiritual place then of course there would be no pain there as God deemed fit. But there would be pleasure and joy and laughter.

Adam was to take care of the garden and tend to the animals, how would he be able to perfectly carry out this role without even the smallest degree of pain as a sensation but not necessarily a "painful" pain.

butterflyl1on:


Please I do not have the time to begin another round of ignorant banter with people who know nothing about scripture as the atheist they are yet want to argue it out like they are genuinely curious to know about it positively.

Sin brings condemnation and does not mean there was no pain. Eden was not heaven because it was a physical place with physical animals and physical people.

All the sensory organs were in man so he could feel, taste, hear, smell, etc.

The Bible talks about no weeping or sorrow in heaven with regards to no more death and no more sadness. However since heaven is a spiritual place then of course there would be no pain there as God deemed fit. But there would be pleasure and joy and laughter.

Adam was to take care of the garden and tend to the animals, how would he be able to perfectly carry out this role without even the smallest degree of pain as a sensation but not necessarily a "painful" pain.

A blind man to take care of Garden of Eden and millions of other creatures, wow. Such a wonderful fallacy!

BTW, Garden of Eden is also known as Paradise. https://www.ancient.eu/Garden_of_Eden/

butterflyl1on:


Please I do not have the time to begin another round of ignorant banter with people who know nothing about scripture as the atheist they are yet want to argue it out like they are genuinely curious to know about it positively.

Sin brings condemnation and does not mean there was no pain. Eden was not heaven because it was a physical place with physical animals and physical people.

All the sensory organs were in man so he could feel, taste, hear, smell, etc.

The Bible talks about no weeping or sorrow in heaven with regards to no more death and no more sadness. However since heaven is a spiritual place then of course there would be no pain there as God deemed fit. But there would be pleasure and joy and laughter.

Adam was to take care of the garden and tend to the animals, how would he be able to perfectly carry out this role without even the smallest degree of pain as a sensation but not necessarily a "painful" pain.

So it's you that is explaining these places to people abi? Ok, so where on earth was the garden of eden located? What race were Adam and Eve? When exactly did animals like Lions become cannivourours and started eating meat?

[quote author=Xbee007 post=64822575]
A blind man to take care of Garden of Eden and millions of other creatures, wow. Such a wonderful fallacy!

BTW, Garden of Eden is also known as Paradise. https://www.ancient.eu/Garden_of_Eden/[/quot]

Paradise based on beauty, splendour, and all that oasis if bliss but not heaven.

And where did I mention a blind man in what I wrote?

Your link called the garden of Eden A BIBLICAL EARTHLY PARADISE. key word is EARTHLY. Enough said.

dalaman:


So it's you that is explaining these places to people abi? Ok, so where on earth was the garden of eden located? What race were Adam and Eve? When exactly did animals like Lions become cannivourours and start eating meat?

It makes sense to believe Adam and Eve were black

1Sharon:



It makes sense to believe Adam and Eve were black

Most christians do not believe this. They do not even attempt to tell their race because like everything mythical, the story is always devoid of facts and full details, for example no body can tell you the exact location of the Garden of Eden, the race of Adam and Eve, when exactly animals like Lions started eating flesh since they were originally created to eat grass and herbs according to the bible and other details. It's always one maybe or the other. No full details because none exist since we are dealing with some empty mythology.

1Sharon:



It makes sense to believe Adam and Eve were black

They ate grass. They must have been green.

Niflheim:
Even some Jehovah's Witnesses were shocked and embarassed that their fellow christians can be disgracing themselves on online media, by claiming that lions eat grass!!! Here is what some of them had to say......................................................

"I mean, does a Peregrine Falcon really need to dive at 180mph to catch. . . the grass?"

Lol!

fineboynl:
have you seen any animal that need or gave assistance to other animal like the humans?

yes i have, some cows need assitance from a farmer when the presentation of the foetus is not right, probably coming out wrongly

budaatum:

They ate grass. They must have been green.

JudgementHammer:

Since you can think, you should have also thought of why you have to wear clothes to cover ur nakkeedness unlike animals, why u have d highest developed brain among animals and why you can't pick foods from the floor or have sex on the streets without being shy. The same proof that equates you with animals as long as labour pain is concerned, should competently equate you with them in those areas too. Your thinking is half-done just like an animal's thinking shd be.

Do you know that animals desires to get food existed with them before God created man on d 6th day. When God created Lions and other animals in d world, they immediately began their struggle to fight for prey and the preys with immediate sense to elude their predators. They were also created with their physiological responses to childbirth.

Man alone was d one created out of special consideration..God said now let's create man In our image and likeness, why were animals not so lucky? After creating them in his likeness, he also put them in a special garden called eden guarded by angels. They were so special, they were d only one that could talk and with the highest developed brain. In the same special way, he made them without labour pain until they brought themselves under the curse by eating the forbidden fruit as recorded in the bible and also had to be clothed unlike animals.

You said human were the only creature that could talk in the Garden of Eden. But then, it was reported that the serpent talked to Eve telling her to eat the Apple. How did a serpent, whose structure is not physiologically and biologically adaptable to speech, speak to Eve?

Xbee007:

You said human were the only creature that could talk in the Garden of Eden. But then, it was reported that the serpent talked to Eve telling her to eat the Apple. How did a serpent, whose structure is not physiologically and biologically adaptable to speech, speak to Eve?

You can ask the Pituophis melanoleucus aka the pine snake aka gopher aka the bull snake who incidentally is the only snake in the world who says your comment is wrong because it has a vocal cord unlike other snakes.

butterflyl1on:


You can ask the Pituophis melanoleucus aka the pine snake aka gopher aka the bull snake who incidentally is the only snake in the world who says your comment is wrong because it has a vocal cord unlike other snakes.

It takes beyond just the vocal cords for speech production. Speech is an exclusively preserve of human being. You need sophisticated brains like human's to make them.
Look at our closest relatives, apes. They have all the physiological and some biological characteristics adaptable to language functioning yet they can't speak because their brain is not as developed as human's.
In short, no creature on earth, except human, speaks. Some animals can however be conditioned to make some certain short utterance but it is not and should never be regarded as speech.

royalamour:
So sometimes I see animals give birth and they moan and groan as a result of the pains they feel.

And I start to wonder if they ate the forbidden fruit and was cursed too.

So why do they feel pains like children of Eve?

For the life of me, do people still ask such questions? Isn't it clear from the scriptures that all creation became cursed? Here it is.

Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Xbee007:

It takes beyond just the vocal cords for speech production. Speech is an exclusively preserve of human being. You need sophisticated brains like human's to make them.
Look at our closest relatives, apes. They have all the physiological and some biological characteristics adaptable to language functioning yet they can't speak because their brain is not as developed as human's.
In short, no creature on earth, except human, speaks. Some animals can however be conditioned to make some certain short utterance but it is not and should never be regarded as speech.

You are contradicting yourself. There are some humans with speech impediment who cannot also make clear vocal speech sounds but when listened to closely can be understood. If any animal can speak or make UNDERSTANDABLE vocal speech patterns even when taught then they also hold the ability of speech same as man. After all man also has the versions of these animals with speech defects.

These animals can speak although taught, they do speak. If they had no ability for human language then they should not even be making any attempt at speaking to begin with.


Koshik the elephant
Hoover the seal
Odie the pug
Blackie the cat
Noc the beluga whale
Alex the grey parrot
Mishka the husky
Lucy the Ape.

FYI apes are not my relatives. Not remotely.

butterflyl1on:


You are contradicting yourself. There are some humans with speech impediment who cannot also make clear vocal speech sounds but when listened to closely can be understood. If any animal can speak or make UNDERSTANDABLE vocal speech patterns even when taught then they also hold the ability of speech same as man. After all man also has the versions of these animals with speech defects.

These animals can speak although taught, they do speak. If they had no ability for human language then they should not even be making any attempt at speaking to begin with.


Koshik the elephant
Hoover the seal
Odie the pug
Blackie the cat
Noc the beluga whale
Alex the grey parrot
Mishka the husky
Lucy the Ape.

FYI apes are not my relatives. Not remotely.

Are you genuinely comparing human speech (a very sophisticated one) with animal's repeating strings of words that they have been taught through "operant conditioning?"

butterflyl1on:


How are you sure the serpent in the garden was not saying what it was programmed to say?

So you are saying God programmed the serpent to say those words to Eve so he could banish them from Garden of Eden. Are you saying the Middle-Eastern sky Daddy is an hypocrite?