Nygma:

I don't believe that piece of info

suit yourself

I expected you to dodge anyways

hopefulLandlord:


with all pleasure

Quake_(natural phenomenon)

the references are below the page

If though you refuse to believe it, mankind was designed by a creator but he is not known as Jesus or god. He has not interfered in our business since creation. Only a fool says that he will die if he doesn't obey the words on a children's fairytale book.

hopefulLandlord:


suit yourself

I expected you to dodge anyways

Fake news is real dude, you don't believe everything you see on the internet hook,line and sinker.

Nygma:

Fake news is real dude, you don't believe everything you see on the internet hook,line and sinker.

why do you assert its fake? I'll wager its because it doesn't fit your theory that man is responsible, better to call it fake; smart move

hopefulLandlord:


Tell me how it happened, I want to learn

Sir,

There are claims that aliens are responsible for the human species. How do you feel about that ?

DeSepiero:


Sir,

There are claims that aliens are responsible for the human species. How do you feel about that ?

yeah I've heard of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raëlism

but most of these claims sound like joke to me

Proudgorgeousga:


almost as good as not believing.

you sound agnostic

I am not agnostic. If I was, I won't say my prayer daily nor give thanks to a higher power. I just don't care which form He is in.

For me, God could have the demeanor of a 3 year old kid and it still doesn't matter. I don't have to pretend he cares or he should care or should see things from our moral perspective. The only reason I reject the mainstream Christian version of God is because he has been anthropomorphized and then given absolute omnipotent powers only to exhibit the same flaws limited humans do. It is insane.

For me God could be singular or plural or both. The concept of singularity maybe limited to this dimension. Also god could be us or the universe itself. We could also be the universe and god at the same time. Unlimited expression of creative power.

In summary, God is complicated. And He is certainly not something that can be shoehorned into a holy book written by goat herders nor grasped by our limited minds. God is existence itself. Utterly meaningful. Utterly meaningless.

Cc Hopefullandlord Urahara

hopefulLandlord:

yeah I've heard of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raëlism
but most of these claims sound like joke to me

...why do they sound like joke?

DeSepiero:


...why do they sound like joke?

they seem like parodies, if we have such believers here we might have a discussion on it and learn more

hopefulLandlord:


they seem like parodies, if we have such believers here we might have a discussion on it and learn more

Some years back, I had nursed such a belief till I realized that they are popularly held beliefs. I'm still open to the possibility that there was extraterrestrial intervention in the human affairs at some point in history.

DeSepiero:


Some years back, I had nursed such a belief till I realized that they are popularly held beliefs. I'm still open to the possibility that there was extraterrestrial intervention in the human affairs at some point in history.

There are lots of such possible hypothesis and I'm not shutting any of them out but anyone who claims his own hypothesis is the only valid one needs to provide extraordinary evidence for that claim

Funny enough, Raelism is atheistic

hopefulLandlord:


There are lots of such possible hypothesis and I'm not shutting any of them out but anyone who claims his own hypothesis is the only valid one needs to provide extraordinary evidence for that claim

Funny enough, Raelism is atheistic

That's correct! That notwithstanding, on a personal note, you must have had questions as to the origin of our species as a skeptic. What at your thoughts?

NPComplete:


I am not agnostic. If I was, I won't say my prayer daily not give thanks to a higher power. I just don't care which form He is in.

For me, God could have the demeanor of a 3 year old kid and it still doesn't matter. I don't have to pretend he cares or he should care or should see things from our moral perspective. The only reason I reject the mainstream Christian version of God is because he has been anthropomorphized and then given absolute omnipotent powers only to exhibit the same flaws limited humans do. It is insane.

For me God could be singular or plural or both. The concept of singularity maybe limited to this dimension. Also god could be us or the universe itself. We could also be the universe and god at the same time. Unlimited expression of creative power.

In summary, God is complicated. And He is certainly not something that can be shoehorned into a holy book written by goat herders nor grasped by our limited minds. God is existence itself. Utterly meaningful. Utterly meaningless.

Cc Hopefullandlord Urahara

You have said my mind brother

DeSepiero:


That's correct! That notwithstanding, on a personal note, you must have had questions as to the origin of our species as a skeptic. What at your thoughts?

I've dabbled into a lot of answers to our origin but always fall back to my accepting ignorance or find myself back there; there are too many unknowns and I feel all hypothesis are attempts at filling those gaps with as much sense as they can muster

hopefulLandlord:


why do you assert its fake? I'll wager its because it doesn't fit your theory that man is responsible, better to call it fake; smart move

My so called theory is the truth.I acknowledge that religion is good becuz it helps to keep the masses in check.But to suggest that at the sound of a trumpet that some humans will be carried to live in a fairy world is absolutely obnoxious.

Nygma:

My so called theory is the truth.I acknowledge that religion is good becuz it helps to keep the masses in check.But to suggest that at the sound of a trumpet that some humans will be carried to live in a fairy world is absolutely obnoxious.

Your theory is that its impossible for tectonic activities to happen on anywhere other than earth because humans are responsible for tectonic activities on earth?

hopefulLandlord:


Your theory is that its impossible for tectonic activities to happen on anywhere other than earth because humans are responsible for tectonic activities on earth?

Stop twisting my words
Yes humans are responsible for those and what makes you think that mars is real apart from the news you read about it??
Do you have any personal evidence of mars existence?

Nygma:

Stop twisting my words
Yes humans are responsible for those and what makes you think that mars is real apart from the news you read about it??
Do you have any personal evidence of mars existence?

how do you know we weren't created 5 minutes ago with false memories implanted and evidence that's consistent with the memories put in place?
solipsism much?


I'm trying to understand your stand not argue

hopefulLandlord:
how do you know we weren't created 5 minutes ago with false memories implanted and evidence that's consistent with the memories put in place?
solipsism much?


I'm trying to understand your stand not argue

Who created us five minutes ago then??
Aliens?
Machines
Who??

Nygma:

Who created us five minutes ago then??
Aliens?
Machines
Who??

The question is rhetorical and a way of showing the solipsism in your previous post

I'm trying to learn from you but you may tell me to stop if I make you uncomfortable

hopefulLandlord:


The question is rhetorical and a way of showing the solipsism in your previous post

I'm trying to learn from you but you may tell me to stop if I make you uncomfortable

No you can be enlightened through me
I'll also gladly learn from you.

Nygma:

What he made was perfect [b]but it has been corrupted by beings which in turn causes the natural disaster[/b]s

Please Do me a favour and leave this thread.

urahara:


Please Do me a favour and leave this thread.

You raised a thread for discussion and you're asking me to leave for airing my views?
Congratulations on your stupidity

urahara:

Please Do me a favour and leave this thread.

loL

Nygma:

You raised a thread for discussion and you're asking me to leave for airing my views?
Congratulations on your stupidity

I raised this thread for deists and non religious theists for the simple reason that I wanted no religious bulls hit on this thread like what you are doing now.

Before you religious lot make this thread mumuish

I'm just perplexed by the guys that actually think humans are responsible for earth quakes... it's amazing how only the crew of the Apollo spaceship have made it to the moon (how could I omit Elon Musk's Tesla) and the moon has its own quakes similar to earthquakes... and some dude here actually think humans are responsible for earthquakes. EARTHQUAKES ARE CAUSED BY TECTONIC ACTIVITIES... USE THAT SAME INTERNET TO GOOGLE CAUSES OF EARTHQUAKES

You said no records of earthquakes in the Bible... what about at the 9th hour of Jesus's crucifixion. When the earth quakes and the curtain tore?

urahara:


I raised this thread for deists and non religious theists for the simple reason that I wanted no religious bulls hit on this thread like what you are doing now.

Before you religious lot make this thread mumuish

Please don't kick the only source of entertainment

butterflyl1on:


So if the there is yet no scientific fact regarding the origin of our observable universe, how then can anyone postulate one about an impossible to observe multiverse?

Good question... how i wish u asked such question when believing in God.

Let me rephrase ur question...

So if there is yet no scientific fact regarding the origin of our observable universe, how them can anyone postulate about an impossible to observe begining? How can one come up with the idea of one creator?

frank317:


Good question... how i wish u asked such question when believing in God.

Let me rephrase ur question...

So if there is yet no scientific fact regarding the origin of our observable universe, how them can anyone postulate about an impossible to observe begining? How can one come up with the idea of one creator?

God is not impossible to observe. The required parameters needed to observe him simply does not agree with scientific principles. Get the right parameters down and you are good to go same way for every scientific observation there are scientific parameters that must be met.

You can call it quid pro quo (something for something).

Our observable universe has been deduced scientifically as having a beginning and this agrees with the scriptures in Genesis which began with the words "IN THE BEGINNING".

both science and scripture agree to this.

butterflyl1on:


God is not impossible to observe. The required parameters needed to observe him simply does not agree with scientific principles. Get the right parameters down and you are good to go same way for every scientific observation there are scientific parameters that must be met.

You can call it quid pro quo (something for something).

Our observable universe has been deduced scientifically as having a beginning and this agrees with the scriptures in Genesis which began with the words "IN THE BEGINNING".

both science and scripture agree to this.

ok so whats the right parameter to observe God

frank317:


ok so whats the right parameter to observe God

Did you not say you were once a Christian? Do you not know?

Unless you lied about being a christian that's the only way you would not know the parameters.