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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by 4llerbuntu(m): 12:01pm On Mar 03, 2018
earthrealm:


omo u over do the posting of pics/details.
this is a diy thread, few folks would be interested in such.
you isolate the individual components..and compare the cost of each in the open market...then you decide if its worth it or not..
for me and my family..i dont patronize all thse combo packages, doesnt make any sense..all man wan make profit. so they will likely throw is a couple of substandard products in the mix, tier 3 products


I disagree.

As much as you have very good points about these pre-made All in One setups quality wise, completely dismissing them is disingenuous.


And I'm not surprised, I've read people dismiss Tesla Powerwall the same way on this thread.

Are you also going to claim Tesla Powerwall is crap tier 3 components?



A lot of posters here are either technicians, businessmen dealing in inverter products or just savvy DIY folks who have an interest in the technology.

So your views are understandable grin grin



But you are in the extreme minority. .000000000000000000000000000001 of the population.


The average person does not have the time, or wherewithal for all this things. The only solution for them is this pre-made setups.

And the only way solar/inverter will become mainstream is through these all in ones.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 12:38pm On Mar 03, 2018
Sun intensity at the highest in Lagos...
Time to get real panel production..
Now getting 195.8watts out of 220w
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by davodyguy: 12:48pm On Mar 03, 2018
The best I got all day with 2*300 watts Panel

30amps dropping on my two batteries

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by sinistrian(m): 12:55pm On Mar 03, 2018
Guys I am conducting an experiment - feeding the charger output of a Fangpusun BlueSolar MPPT into the input of the Axpert's weaker MPPT (to take advantage of the superior MPPT algorithm and also have the monitoring of the axpert). The BlueSolar thinks it's feeding 60V into a battery, while the Axpert thinks it's getting 60V from panels.

Will update on how it goes.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Barezzi(m): 12:58pm On Mar 03, 2018
Pictures or you know the drill... tongue

Dam5reey:
Sun intensity at the highest in Lagos...
Time to get real panel production..
Now getting 195.8watts out of 220w
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 1:08pm On Mar 03, 2018
Barezzi:
Pictures or you know the drill... tongue


I will do video instead... Cos you may say picture is a flash... cheesy
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DMerciful(m): 1:45pm On Mar 03, 2018
Most times these all in one packages are not durable and due to complexity a small failure of a component can render the entire unit useless. Remember those all in one DVD, TV, radio set,touchlight? grin They don't last
4llerbuntu:



I disagree.

As much as you have very good points about these pre-made All in One setups quality wise, completely dismissing them is disingenuous.


And I'm not surprised, I've read people dismiss Tesla Powerwall the same way on this thread.

Are you also going to claim Tesla Powerwall is crap tier 3 components?



A lot of posters here are either technicians, businessmen dealing in inverter products or just savvy DIY folks who have an interest in the technology.

So your views are understandable grin grin



But you are in the extreme minority. .000000000000000000000000000001 of the population.


The average person does not have the time, or wherewithal for all this things. The only solution for them is this pre-made setups.

And the only way solar/inverter will become mainstream is through these all in ones.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by duwdu: 2:19pm On Mar 03, 2018
As a newbie to Solar Power systems trying to do my own research before fully committing, I'm finding the following video clip educating and useful:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP3dhz6VSg4

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by duwdu: 2:49pm On Mar 03, 2018
realpoacher:
Good morning guys,

What do you guys think about Saroda All in one Solar power ⛮ needs?

They have solar panels, inverter and battery packaged as one item for "plug and play". No monthly charges like luminous of mtn, so they say.

I need reviews about it. Because this is what I want to buy next.

Have anyone tested it?... Is it reliable,?

Check them out on alibaba

https://sarodapower.en.alibaba.com/product/60657615962-804619188/SARODA_1500w_all_in_one_portable_solar_power_station_solar_energy_storage_system_off_gird_mico_power_generator.html

earthrealm:


omo u over do the posting of pics/details.
this is a diy thread, few folks would be interested in such.
you isolate the individual components..and compare the cost of each in the open market...then you decide if its worth it or not..
for me and my family..i dont patronize all thse combo packages, doesnt make any sense..all man wan make profit. so they will likely throw is a couple of substandard products in the mix, tier 3 products

4llerbuntu:



I disagree.

As much as you have very good points about these pre-made All in One setups quality wise, completely dismissing them is disingenuous.


And I'm not surprised, I've read people dismiss Tesla Powerwall the same way on this thread.

Are you also going to claim Tesla Powerwall is crap tier 3 components?



A lot of posters here are either technicians, businessmen dealing in inverter products or just savvy DIY folks who have an interest in the technology.

So your views are understandable grin grin



But you are in the extreme minority. .000000000000000000000000000001 of the population.


The average person does not have the time, or wherewithal for all this things. The only solution for them is this pre-made setups.

And the only way solar/inverter will become mainstream is through these all in ones.

DMerciful:
Most times these all in one packages are not durable and due to complexity a small failure of a component can render the entire unit useless. Remember those all in one DVD, TV, radio set,touchlight? grin They don't last

These are all fair views, IMHO.

The other way to look at it though, is: Will a service provider/DIY'er on here be ready to provide an equivalent traditional 1.5KW system, installed with local warranty, for the going Naira equivalent of the ad-offered USD1,300-2,000 or thereabout? (I'm assuming that price quote range includes delivery to the door.)

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Saipro(m): 3:48pm On Mar 03, 2018
makavele:
^^^ Are those not brand new items you are selling up there? And you're saying *NO WARRANTY* lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed

Jame, James, James, how many times I call you ?

grin Heh heh heh grin

Considering the previous fiasco, why am I not surprised?

Anyway, the point is, this time, the buyer beware clause is clearly stated. The choice is yours.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 4:18pm On Mar 03, 2018
Oga Sinistrian.

Say we agree that the Fangpusun Blue Solar has the superior MPPT algorithm, you can only get worse results by feeding the superior DC output of the Fangpusun into a inferior DC Buck Converter (essentially what the Axpert is in this scenario). The Axpert will not suddenly become wonderful because it is receiving input from a good MPPT CC - your solar panels are already an excellent DC power source and I see only subpar results as the outcome of this experiment because per the laws of physics you won't be able to create additional power out of nothing - you can only convert from one form to another and there will always be conversion losses even in the best of circumstances.

While you can feed other DC sources into an MPPT CC, they are optimised to work with solar panels as the DC input and not necessarily any and every other DC source.

You need to be careful also not to damage the Blue Solar or Axpert as they present a variable and unnatural load profle to each other while attempting to do their work..

You just might release the magic smoke from your precious equipment and end this experiment in an ugly manner.

Just connect the output of the FangPusun Blue Solar to your batteries per the original design and you should be good.

sinistrian:
Guys I am conducting an experiment - feeding the charger output of a Fangpusun BlueSolar MPPT into the input of the Axpert's weaker MPPT (to take advantage of the superior MPPT algorithm and also have the monitoring of the axpert). The BlueSolar thinks it's feeding 60V into a battery, while the Axpert thinks it's getting 60V from panels.

Will update on how it goes.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mukhcech(m): 4:54pm On Mar 03, 2018
Good day my people... Viva FTA. Guys this is my battery and the charger information.... Pls can I get a minimal solar setup to charge this.... Our transformer don blow. Please help me mention the gurus in the house. Thanks.

My Batteries are 40ah...The real problem is getting a CC that can give the same output as the Charger. Thank you

CC Saipro

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mukhcech(m): 5:03pm On Mar 03, 2018
4llerbuntu:



I disagree.

As much as you have very good points about these pre-made All in One setups quality wise, completely dismissing them is disingenuous.


And I'm not surprised, I've read people dismiss Tesla Powerwall the same way on this thread.

Are you also going to claim Tesla Powerwall is crap tier 3 components?



A lot of posters here are either technicians, businessmen dealing in inverter products or just savvy DIY folks who have an interest in the technology.

So your views are understandable grin grin



But you are in the extreme minority. .000000000000000000000000000001 of the population.


The average person does not have the time, or wherewithal for all this things. The only solution for them is this pre-made setups.

And the only way solar/inverter will become mainstream is through these all in ones.

Buh a Tesla power wall is not do it all device.. It is A battery in layman's term. And it is too expensive to be crap abeg. Tesla is also a renowned brand. So
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by makavele: 6:53pm On Mar 03, 2018
Saipro:


grin Heh heh heh grin

Considering the previous fiasco, why am I not surprised?

Anyway, the point is, this time, the buyer beware clause is clearly stated. The choice is yours.

Him go old be that . . . I can guarantee nobody will buy.

Are you saying if I buy a brand new sealed item from him; and the next day it goes poof ... from no fault of mine . . .

I will have to fork out cash to buy the item all over again ?

There should be warranty for brand new; sealed items.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 7:22pm On Mar 03, 2018
Lady Solar paid an unscheduled visit to Abuja today.

My 4.5KW Chinco Solar Array harvested 20.9KwH today. That is an efficiency of 4.644kWh/kW!!!!

See live data here: https://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?userid=46221

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by sinistrian(m): 8:20pm On Mar 03, 2018
NiyiOmoIyunade:
Oga Sinistrian.

Say we agree that the Fangpusun Blue Solar has the superior MPPT algorithm, you can only get worse results by feeding the superior DC output of the Fangpusun into a inferior DC Buck Converter (essentially what the Axpert is in this scenario).

You're right, performance was much worse. Max power pulled from the panels today was 950W even when total instantaneous load was 1140W.

NiyiOmoIyunade:

The Axpert will not suddenly become wonderful because it is receiving input from a good MPPT CC - your solar panels are already an excellent DC power source and I see only subpar results as the outcome of this experiment because per the laws of physics you won't be able to create additional power out of nothing - you can only convert from one form to another and there will always be conversion losses even in the best of circumstances.

While you can feed other DC sources into an MPPT CC, they are optimised to work with solar panels as the DC input and not necessarily any and every other DC source.

You need to be careful also not to damage the Blue Solar or Axpert as they present a variable and unnatural load profle to each other while attempting to do their work..

You just might release the magic smoke from your precious equipment and end this experiment in an ugly manner.

Just connect the output of the FangPusun Blue Solar to your batteries per the original design and you should be good.
No blue smoke yet, but I have disconnected them now. I have to say though, the annoying up-and-down hunting for MPPT was not there today. I need to find a way to get my realtime PV data from the BlueSolar now and forget the Axpert's charge controller.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 8:44pm On Mar 03, 2018
realpoacher:
Good morning guys,

What do you guys think about Saroda All in one Solar power ⛮ needs?

They have solar panels, inverter and battery packaged as one item for "plug and play". No monthly charges like luminous of mtn, so they say.

I need reviews about it. Because this is what I want to buy next.

Have anyone tested it?... Is it reliable,?

Check them out on alibaba

https://sarodapower.en.alibaba.com/product/60657615962-804619188/SARODA_1500w_all_in_one_portable_solar_power_station_solar_energy_storage_system_off_gird_mico_power_generator.html

the op asked what we think, i answered with my i think about the all in one package, and what i felt most experienced peeps wud think....
who amongst you is using an all in one package??...even the mtn package, i bet none of you would go for it.
i believe you could have made your points/told the op what you think about the all in one package, without dragging me/what i think into it.

i made it quite simple for him, I TOLD HIM TO COMPARE THE PRICE OF EACH SINGLE COMPONENT IN THE ALL IN ONE WITH THE MARKET PRICE AND THEN DECIDE IF ITS A GOOD BARGAIN, what is so difficult in that?

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by JUO(m): 10:01pm On Mar 03, 2018
makavele:
^^^ Are those not brand new items you are selling up there? And you're saying *NO WARRANTY* lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed

Jame, James, James, how many times I call you ?
I can replace a defective item only but anything that has to do with warranty is out of my dictionary
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 5:28am On Mar 04, 2018
4llerbuntu:



I disagree.

As much as you have very good points about these pre-made All in One setups quality wise, completely dismissing them is disingenuous.


And I'm not surprised, I've read people dismiss Tesla Powerwall the same way on this thread.

Are you also going to claim Tesla Powerwall is crap tier 3 components?



A lot of posters here are either technicians, businessmen dealing in inverter products or just savvy DIY folks who have an interest in the technology.

So your views are understandable grin grin



But you are in the extreme minority. .000000000000000000000000000001 of the population.


The average person does not have the time, or wherewithal for all this things. The only solution for them is this pre-made setups.

And the only way solar/inverter will become mainstream is through these all in ones.

I slightly disagree with some of your assertions. Yes it is true, many of us here are in the minority and the average user in Nigeria just want something that just works without caring about the tech involved. The biggest challenge facing the growth of renewable energy in Nigeria inspite of our serious energy deficiency is ignorance. Our educational system has failed to teach energy efficiency something which should be part of basic education, the result is a public that knows next to nothing about what energy is, and how it works.. we should not be celebrating this ignorance we should be killing it which is what the forum is about.. many a novice came here without a know about solar but today have become gurus. However you need to be ready to learn. There are no short cuts in life you either pay the price to learn or pay the price of ignorance.

One solar turnkey solutions. I believe that this is the future for consumer grade solar products. Integrated all on one system that a consumer can just installed and run with little fuss.. maintenance would be handled by the solar company.. I predict a MTN LUMOS kind on .contract on a grandier scale. Unfortunately we are not at that future yet. Most of the all in one product out there are still not value for money when you start to scale. Anything above 300w and you might be better off going the traditional way.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NextDayPP: 5:59am On Mar 04, 2018
JUO:
Flex max 80a fangpusun 160k Flex max 60a fangpusun 126k 50a-12/24v 45k. 45k 50aD-12/24v 60k 60a-12/24v/36v/48v 90k. 60aD-12/24v/36v/48v 115k 70a-12/24v/36v/48v 100k 45a-12/24v/36v/48v 70k 30a-12/24v 33k Battery balancer Fangpusun 24v-25k MPPT- CONTROL 16K epever 30a+MT50 12/24v (CN) 48k epever 30a 12/24v 38k epever 40a 12/24v 55k BMV 702 FANGPUSUN 42K BMV 700 FANGPUSUN 38K Watts meter with clock and 50Hz/60Hz Monitor Analyser 7k PROGRAMMABLE Digital timer 15/16a 5k din rail PROGRAMMABLE Digital timer 25a 7k din rail/wall mount No Warranty 080-987-337-09
What is the max voltage input of the 45a/48v cc
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NextDayPP: 6:16am On Mar 04, 2018
Is it the blue type of fangpusun, pics will be appreciated.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mukhcech(m): 7:39am On Mar 04, 2018
mukhcech:
Good day my people... Viva FTA. Guys this is my battery and the charger information.... Pls can I get a minimal solar setup to charge this.... Our transformer don blow. Please help me mention the gurus in the house. Thanks.

CC Saipro

Please I need help here
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Oshomo12(m): 12:39pm On Mar 04, 2018
mukhcech:


Please I need help here
The question u asked is a little bit not complete. The battery capacity(ah) is how many( d one ve seen should be around 40ah or so), not clear from u picture. Secondly, if u need to go solar with it; u will need to disassemble those cells from the casing. I don't know how good is the BSM inside it. The one I ve worked with does not balance the cells well. Lastly, what is ur level of knowledge on this solar stuff, on a scale of 1-10?

Note: can one still get those batteries?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mukhcech(m): 12:57pm On Mar 04, 2018
Oshomo12:

The question u asked is a little bit not complete. The battery capacity(ah) is how many( d one ve seen should be around 40ah or so), not clear from u picture. Secondly, if u need to go solar with it; u will need to disassemble those cells from the casing. I don't know how good is the BSM inside it. The one I ve worked with does not balance the cells well. Lastly, what is ur level of knowledge on this solar stuff, on a scale of 1-10?

Note: can one still get those batteries?

I will say 6 on a scale of 1-10. The batteries capacity is 40ah....Disassembling the battery is what I have no experience on. After Disassemble, Do I still need the BSM?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 4:42pm On Mar 04, 2018
you guys should keep posting your harvests once in a while na!!

not bragging things, just to serve as encouragement for new comers and experienced guys as well.

you wont post now that it's sunny, but when june comes now with one week rain, you will be complaining undecided

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 4:44pm On Mar 04, 2018
davodyguy:
The best I got all day with 2*300 watts Panel

30amps dropping on my two batteries

Nice harvest bro! that's about 360 juicy watts pumping.

gosh, i love solar.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 4:45pm On Mar 04, 2018
dapsyra:
Lady Solar paid an unscheduled visit to Abuja today.

My 4.5KW Chinco Solar Array harvested 20.9KwH today. That is an efficiency of 4.644kWh/kW!!!!

See live data here: https://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?userid=46221


Amazing.

21kwh? wow! You could have run a 1hp/780watts air conditioner for a couple of hours without breaking a sweat.

keep your rooms nice and chilly while it's blazing hot outside.

more power to you.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 4:47pm On Mar 04, 2018
DMerciful:
Today was impressive..
5.4kwh from 1.5kw array. My highest so far.

how come at almost 25v, your display is showing battery low
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NoMoreTrolling: 4:51pm On Mar 04, 2018
ebocoms:
Good day All,

I have been a silent follower of this great forum for some years now. Please, I need your help in evaluating my installation below before upgrading.
Since about 10 months of adding solar to already installed inverter the highest watts i have seen is 402W; while the highest Amp. is 16A. Though, my batteries are fully charged before getting home daily. I'm not not offgrid. Just being curious why 1,200W panel is not generating upto 50% the of the rated capacity.

- 1.5KVA/24V Luminous Inverter
- 2 x 200AH Luminous Batteries
- 4 x 300w Mono Solar Panels - Parallel - (2 x Sunshine Panels + 2 x Joy Panels) - Installed on the roof South side (no sign of shading or interference because my building is a bit higher than others closeby)
- 40a MPPT CC (Chinco)
- 16mm cable

Attached are the pictures of my panels, CC and output.

Thank you.

Nice setup! What are you complaining about though, if your batteries are always full by the time you get home

Since you aren't really tasking the setup during the day time, I won't expect you to see much juice unless your batteries are almost dead.

Try to run some load on it while you're home on a weekend, in full sun, like around 11-1pm. See what you get. Maybe through a microwave on or something and see.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Oshomo12(m): 4:57pm On Mar 04, 2018
mukhcech:


I will say 6 on a scale of 1-10. The batteries capacity is 40ah....Disassembling the battery is what I have no experience on. After Disassemble, Do I still need the BSM?

If you use ur battery to about 80% DoD, I will advice 200w panel 15amp charge controller and a new BMS(though u can still try the one that came with it). The battery should be back to full state of charge in about 3hrs(all other condition been equall).
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bodejohn(m): 6:14pm On Mar 04, 2018
Still available...

bodejohn:
Dear friends,

I have the following items available for sale.

12/24/48V 45Amps TriStar MPPT CC complete with displays - 2pcs


Items are in good condition and comes with 3 months warranty.

Location: Ibadan

Contact: WhatsApp only - 09078802022
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by efuro(m): 7:01pm On Mar 04, 2018
NoMoreTrolling:
you guys should keep posting your harvests once in a while na!!

not bragging things, just to serve as encouragement for new comers and experienced guys as well.

you wont post now that it's sunny, but when june comes now with one week rain, you will be complaining undecided

I remember saying " Naa Me Be Dis?" The first time my diy setup hit 1kw. I had the urge to grow it as much I can through out the terrible recession time. (It was only the marketers that constantly had smiles on their faces - after all - what you buy is what you sell, and prices stayed up there except for JUO).

For those starting, do not be ashamed/afraid to post ur harvest, it is an achievement which you would have paid discos to use. The thread is a place to share successes , troubleshooting, new aspirations etc.
In response to ur request, the pix is my harvest as at 6.32pm. apart from ironing clothes once or twice a week, my harvest has been 6-8kw daily with day time requirement of 680w .

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