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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by jarkbauer: 9:57pm On Mar 05, 2018
NiyiOmoIyunade:
In general the charge controllers embedded in the low budget (think 300k and below) hybrid inverters are not as efficient and effective as dedicated charge controllers. You will usually get more juice from your PV panels with a quality dedicated charge controller.

If you are budget constrained then you can do a hybrid inverter for starters and later upgrade to a dedicated charge controller when you have more funds. This way you also get some redundancy in case any part of your system collapses

I see you mentioned Mercury? You may be better off with the Axpert (Zinox and Gennex) ecosystem of which you can also get plenty of free support on this forum.

If hard pressed post the stats of both Mercury and Axpert options you are considerind and the house will respond with advice and hands on experience.



1.is mustpower or Prag not better?
2 Which is better between transformered and transformerless inverter
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by makavele: 11:48pm On Mar 05, 2018
kiekie1:


Hello sorry for late reply on the inverter thread .. Makavele , Mank , Pranil etc already gave you solid points ... I won't totally go against hybrid systems but mind you, its not as rugged as standalone pure sinewave inverter specs . I have a client who had a 5kva 48v hybrid"name withheld" , it went into flames in less than 2 months ... I also got a call from an Abuja based client today about his newly purchased Ipower hybrid that just blew up and company is busy with normal long drama on warranty . They stated after this repair , if it blows up again within same warranty year , warranty won't cover repairs cheesy .. Please feel free to contact me on whatever type you settle for , as regards to discounted prices and 1 year warranty .. Cheer's!

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 11:52pm On Mar 05, 2018
makavele:


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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 12:16am On Mar 06, 2018
jarkbauer:


1.is mustpower or Prag not better?
2 Which is better between transformered and transformerless inverter

Hello, transformerless or chopper transformers have lower idle consumption , light weighted and can be powered with smaller sized generators .. We also have hybrid specs with quality designs and solar integrated features in Prag brand but its not really in stock for now. It is transformer based and also has 20/40a charge current and 100a solar charge capacity . see snapshot below; Cheer's

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 3:36am On Mar 06, 2018
sinistrian:

Na fangpusun o. My wallet cannot carry Victron products yet.
which software did you use for displaying the log. Victron connect? I ask because last time I checked victron released a software that slowly kills the Chinese clone hence I stopped upgrading their software for my devices. Let me know your take and experience
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ebocoms: 9:42am On Mar 06, 2018
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigbauer(m): 10:07am On Mar 06, 2018
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Saipro(m): 12:24pm On Mar 06, 2018
mukhcech:


Yes they are LiFePo4 batteries sir.

That was lots of information you got for me there. thank you.

I am only trying to get a minimal setup for a student(My wife) in school. I have a relatively normal Solar setup with Flooded battery in my home. Though I have always been charging the LiFePo4 batteries with Nepa light.

Because of Budget, kindly help me out of this situation/
Can the MorningStar and Xantrex be PWM type CC?
Can I still regulate the FIX charging Volt and Current if it is PWM?
And lastly Would a 120W solar panel be optimum for just 1 battery.

Thank you once again. I am grateful.

Get a 100W panel instead. Safer choice (to ensure you don's exceed max charging current).
Xantrex and MorningStar make world-class PWM CC and I recommend them for bigger projects. For your project, a regular PWM CC would work. Given their propensity for overshooting the mark, set the bulk/absorb voltage to 14.2V (usual deviation is typically about 0.2V above the set limits and transient in duration).

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Feshizzy(m): 4:59pm On Mar 06, 2018
mukhcech:
Good day my people... Viva FTA. Guys this is my battery and the charger information.... Pls can I get a minimal solar setup to charge this.... Our transformer don blow. Please help me mention the gurus in the house. Thanks.

My Batteries are 40ah...The real problem is getting a CC that can give the same output as the Charger. Thank you

CC Saipro
Please where did you source for this battery?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by pranil(m): 6:07pm On Mar 06, 2018
Quanta Charging rate 25 %

I came across quanta manual which claims max charging rate for 200 Ah quanta AGM is 25 %. If I am reading right it means the 200 AH Qantas can be charged at 50 amps without any issues

Are my observations correct or I am reading it wrong.

Normally I have set the charges at 10 % or max 13 %

anybody has experience using such high currents 9 Life, overheating)

if the values are right then 8 Quanta can be coupled with Ipower/gennex to take advantage of their 140 amps max charge ratings even if the nepa is svailable 4 hours a day

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 6:22pm On Mar 06, 2018
pranil:
Quanta Charging rate 25 %

I came across quanta manual which claims max charging rate for 200 Ah quanta AGM is 25 %. If I am reading right it means the 200 AH Qantas can be charged at 50 amps without any issues

Are my observations correct or I am reading it wrong.

Normally I have set the charges at 10 % or max 13 %

anybody has experience using such high currents 9 Life, overheating)

if the values are right then 8 Quanta can be coupled with Ipower/gennex to take advantage of their 140 amps max charge ratings even if the nepa is svailable 4 hours a day



Hello Sir , I am not surprised as I have seen same boldly inscribed on LONG 200a agm batteries .. Max charge current 60 amps and 30 amps for 100a batteries ! Cheer's

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 6:41pm On Mar 06, 2018
pranil:
Quanta Charging rate 25 %

I came across quanta manual which claims max charging rate for 200 Ah quanta AGM is 25 %. If I am reading right it means the 200 AH Qantas can be charged at 50 amps without any issues

Are my observations correct or I am reading it wrong.

Normally I have set the charges at 10 % or max 13 %

anybody has experience using such high currents 9 Life, overheating)

if the values are right then 8 Quanta can be coupled with Ipower/gennex to take advantage of their 140 amps max charge ratings even if the nepa is svailable 4 hours a day


pranil,
actually some high quality agm batteries can be charged at 50c or 50% capacity without
any issues at all. that is one big advantage of agm over gel or flooded and it's why savvy peeps
like us gravitate towards them.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 8:18pm On Mar 06, 2018
pranil:
Quanta Charging rate 25 %

I came across quanta manual which claims max charging rate for 200 Ah quanta AGM is 25 %. If I am reading right it means the 200 AH Qantas can be charged at 50 amps without any issues

Are my observations correct or I am reading it wrong.

Normally I have set the charges at 10 % or max 13 %

anybody has experience using such high currents 9 Life, overheating)

if the values are right then 8 Quanta can be coupled with Ipower/gennex to take advantage of their 140 amps max charge ratings even if the nepa is svailable 4 hours a day



This is totally normal for AGM most can do between 30 to 40% of C20 when charging. This is the biggest advantage of AGM batteries and why it surpasses Gel. AGM is the closest to fast charging you can get from a lead acid battery. However absorption will still slow you down although you can fast charge your way out of bulk charge within a short window.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by BlackBaron: 8:25pm On Mar 06, 2018
Hi everyone,
We are planning a 5KW solar panel build. 20 x 245W Yingli solar or Trina solar (255W - more expensive) either to be paid for tomorrow.

AT the same time, we are now looking into batteries that we can use alongside the project and would like your opinions on the followiing two AGM batteries.

First is The Victron energy 165AH (x3)
The other is Rolls Surette s5000
Both pictures are attached.

We would like to know please what inverters, charge controllers would be useful for these type of batteries please.
(I have been advised quanta batteries also but I do have access to be able to buy other brands at a cheaper price, so I am just seeking advice on these please)

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 8:51pm On Mar 06, 2018
Good day Oga GeorgeD.

While we are at it please would you happen to know what the recommended/ideal absorb voltage for Quanta batteries is.

I have read 13.8volts as the 'freshening charge' on the spec sheet and also the Amaron Quanta website but I struggle to believe this to be true.

In real life I use 14.1v or 14 2v as the absorb setpoint for Quanta batteries at client locations but I always lose some sleep thinking whether I may be overcharging their batteries.


GeorgeD1:


pranil,
actually some high quality agm batteries can be charged at 50c or 50% capacity without
any issues at all. that is one big advantage of agm over gel or flooded and it's why savvy peeps
like us gravitate towards them.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 9:15pm On Mar 06, 2018
kiekie1:


Hello Sir , I am not surprised as I have seen same boldly inscribed on LONG 200a agm batteries .. Max charge current 60 amps and 30 amps for 100a batteries ! Cheer's

so is this long battery agm too?. wondering wch battery setting to ue on mustpower inverter
1. agm1
2. agm 2
3. sealed lead acid battery
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 9:38pm On Mar 06, 2018
earthrealm:


so is this long battery agm too?. wondering wch battery setting to ue on mustpower inverter
1. agm1
2. agm 2
3. sealed lead acid battery

Earthrealm,
Yes Long deep cycle battery is AGM. Use voltage settings within ;
Cycle volt- 14.4 to 15v
Standby volt- 13.5 to 13.8v

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 10:01pm On Mar 06, 2018
[quote author=NiyiOmoIyunade post=65619417]Good day Oga GeorgeD.

While we are at it please would you happen to know what the recommended/ideal absorb voltage for Quanta batteries is.

I have read 13.8volts as the 'freshening charge' on the spec sheet and also the Amaron Quanta website but I struggle to believe this to be true.

In real life I use 14.1v or 14 2v as the absorb setpoint for Quanta batteries at client locations but I always lose some sleep thinking whether I may be overcharging their batteries.


[/quote

hello niyiomoiyunade,
I haven't really used the quanta batteries before so don't have details about the absorb settings.
the amaron quanta website is silent on that spec when I looked up the literature on their website:

https://www.quanta.in/images/pdf/Quantamanual-new.pdf

i'm sure it is the same document you were referring to when you talked about their 'freshening' charge
specification. my take though is that you leave your settings the way they are since apparently your
clients batteries may not be doing badly at all.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by nonoski: 1:36am On Mar 07, 2018
Good day house,
Please I need advice.
I have been using Inverters for close to 9 years and I have decided to add solar panels to my connection so I can minimize the cost of running generators to charge my batteries when Electricity is out. Although where I stay in Port Harcourt has a relative 14-18hrs light a day. Thou sometimes they get crazy and take the light for a whole week (Naija).

I have 12Nr 300watts solar panels which I have mounted on an independent mount so as to use it also as a car stand.
My Inverter is an Exulted 3.5Kva 48v system. (4nr 200Amps Batteries)
Issues:
Duh I have knowledge about Solar systems and prefer to DIY however I got an installer to help me look throu however we tend not to agree on the following
1. He says it’s better to connect 3panels in series 3 x 38.8v = 116.4v (using the Voc) and total amp of the 4 strings 4x10.21 = 40.84A (using Isc) since I will be using an MPPT
While I prefer 2panels in series 2 x 38.8v = 77.6v (using the Voc) and total amp of the 6 strings 6 x 10.21 = 61.26A since it’s a 48v system.
2. I prefer using a combiner box to connect all the strings before sending in to the Charge Controller
My installer prefers we just connect them using MC4 connectors and wires say combiner box is a waste of money.
3. The distance to the from the panel array to the charge controller is 45meters (148 feet), I prefer using 10mm flex, my installer prefers a 6mm flex.


I also wish to change my inverter to because my current inverter has a charging current of 11.4A and I will prefer an inverter with a higher charging Amp eg Mustpower or Felicity (any positive reviews on this product).

I intend to buy a Fangpusun 80A CC MPPT (is this a good product) coz I need a good CC with Digital meters I can use to study my output and possibly connect to the internet.

Thank you.

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by makavele: 2:30am On Mar 07, 2018
bigrovar:


This is totally normal for AGM most can do between 30 to 40% of C20 when charging. ...

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Oshomo12(m): 6:27am On Mar 07, 2018
makavele:




Vamp spotted!
U no dey sleep ni?

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by BlackBaron: 8:22am On Mar 07, 2018
BlackBaron:
Hi everyone,
We are planning a 5KW solar panel build...

Na wa o.
Please now, it's like I'm a ghost here. No one wants to even put in a word for me. I need to just get some advice please. Help a brother out
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigbauer(m): 8:43am On Mar 07, 2018
Good day people. Determination is all that it takes to reach out and help someone. Please at this point in my life I need help. Check my signature. Thanks and God bless you.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 8:44am On Mar 07, 2018
BlackBaron:


Na wa o.
Please now, it's like I'm a ghost here. No one wants to even put in a word for me. I need to just get some advice please. Help a brother out

Blackbaron,
Hello, its not like if nobody wants to help.. Most issues has been tackled repeatedly if only you devoted time to go through the pages ... Most will assume you have an idea or a pro installer you are working with with as batteries you listed aint really popular in the Nigerian market and also trying to procure low watt panels.
As for me, your set up looks industrial with battery specs stated . The higher the watts of a panel , the better for you. I will go for Canadian solar 340m - 330wp , or higher wattage equivalent in either Yingli, Yachi, foresolar etc . we have high end inverters and charge controllers you can use ranging from magnum, Victron , shneider , Pt100 , connext , variotrack etc depending on the company or installer coupling your system .. Cheer's

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 9:17am On Mar 07, 2018
nonoski:
Good day house,
Please I need advice.
I have been using Inverters for close to 9 years and I have decided to add solar panels to my connection so I can minimize the cost of running generators to charge my batteries when Electricity is out. Although where I stay in Port Harcourt has a relative 14-18hrs light a day. Thou sometimes they get crazy and take the light for a whole week (Naija).

I have 12Nr 300watts solar panels which I have mounted on an independent mount so as to use it also as a car stand.
My Inverter is an Exulted 3.5Kva 48v system. (4nr 200Amps Batteries)
Issues:
Duh I have knowledge about Solar systems and prefer to DIY however I got an installer to help me look throu however we tend not to agree on the following
1. He says it’s better to connect 3panels in series 3 x 38.8v = 116.4v (using the Voc) and total amp of the 4 strings 4x10.21 = 40.84A (using Isc) since I will be using an MPPT
While I prefer 2panels in series 2 x 38.8v = 77.6v (using the Voc) and total amp of the 6 strings 6 x 10.21 = 61.26A since it’s a 48v system.
2. I prefer using a combiner box to connect all the strings before sending in to the Charge Controller
My installer prefers we just connect them using MC4 connectors and wires say combiner box is a waste of money.
3. The distance to the from the panel array to the charge controller is 45meters (148 feet), I prefer using 10mm flex, my installer prefers a 6mm flex.


I also wish to change my inverter to because my current inverter has a charging current of 11.4A and I will prefer an inverter with a higher charging Amp eg Mustpower or Felicity (any positive reviews on this product).

I intend to buy a Fangpusun 80A CC MPPT (is this a good product) coz I need a good CC with Digital meters I can use to study my output and possibly connect to the internet.

Thank you.

Hello,
This is unlike a small project for a client who gets 14 to 18hrs of light daily smiley ! We have various configurations for different brands of mppts . my Itracer and outback cc prefers 3×3 for 48v systems while fangpuson might prefer lower config VOC VMP ... Simply go through your mppt manual . combiner boxes is very good for faster trouble shooting , if you can't afford the mnpv midnite specs , you can just improvise with an enclosure box and DC breakers as seen in picture below.. If disctance isn't much , use 6mm cables from PV to combiner and 16mm to mppt since you stated 80a mppt already , I believe in higher gauge cables for a long term project wink .

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by makavele: 9:28am On Mar 07, 2018
Oshomo12:


Vamp spotted!
U no dey sleep ni?

Singing . . .so mamma say Wizzy: just keep on hustling . . .
so i dey hustle ; no sleep . . .

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by BlackBaron: 10:28am On Mar 07, 2018
kiekie1:


Blackbaron,
Hello, its not like if nobody wants to help.. Most issues has been tackled repeatedly if only you devoted time to go through the pages ... Most will assume you have an idea or a pro installer you are working with with as batteries you listed aint really popular in the Nigerian market and also trying to procure low watt panels.
As for me, your set up looks industrial with battery specs stated . The higher the watts of a panel , the better for you. I will go for Canadian solar 340m - 330wp , or higher wattage equivalent in either Yingli, Yachi, foresolar etc . we have high end inverters and charge controllers you can use ranging from magnum, Victron , shneider , Pt100 , connext , variotrack etc depending on the company or installer coupling your system .. Cheer's
Ok , sorry bro.
I have read up but I'd lie to say I have enough technical information to tackle such a project like this. While I know the basic components needed, I don't know enough about the correct inverters, charge controllers and whatnot to use for such a large scale model. Also with the items solar panels - batteries, etc Just that at the moment, it is going to be between a residential /diagnostics business hence we are a bit baffed on the level of sophistication this might need.

I have also seen some advice for/against 'Victron' (if not conclusive) amongst other things.

P.S Chuckdee, I dropped an email to you.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 10:56am On Mar 07, 2018
BlackBaron:

Ok , sorry bro.
I have read up but I'd lie to say I have enough technical information to tackle such a project like this. While I know the basic components needed, I don't know enough about the correct inverters, charge controllers and whatnot to use for such a large scale model. Also with the items solar panels - batteries, etc Just that at the moment, it is going to be between a residential /diagnostics business hence we are a bit baffed on the level of sophistication this might need.

I have also seen some advice for/against 'Victron' (if not conclusive) amongst other things.

P.S Chuckdee, I dropped an email to you.

OK I get you. Its always like this at first! I guess you already mailed Chuckdee , he is enjoying all solar supplies he sourced through me ... All the best! Cheer's

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by pranil(m): 12:14pm On Mar 07, 2018
nonoski:
Good day house,
Please I need advice.
1. He says it’s better to connect 3panels in series 3 x 38.8v = 116.4v (using the Voc) and total amp of the 4 strings 4x10.21 = 40.84A (using Isc) since I will be using an MPPT
While I prefer 2panels in series 2 x 38.8v = 77.6v (using the Voc) and total amp of the 6 strings 6 x 10.21 = 61.26A since it’s a 48v system.
2. I prefer using a combiner box to connect all the strings before sending in to the Charge Controller
My installer prefers we just connect them using MC4 connectors and wires say combiner box is a waste of money.
3. The distance to the from the panel array to the charge controller is 45meters (148 feet), I prefer using 10mm flex, my installer prefers a 6mm flex.


1. The CC has better efficiency on lower voltages( 2 in series ) closely matching the battery nominal and will run cooler as a result. While higher voltages ( 3 in series) will mean lower cable losses and fewer cables in the junction box. The CC will wake up earlier and sleep later.
Normally if you are running CC close to max input use 2 in series ( otherwise you will lose significant power in the afternoon). if your panels
are undersized then 3 in series as a general thumb rule

2. Definitely combiner box with surge protection - buy the readymade( highly recommend midnight solar) or make yourself but definitely no twisting things together. It is much easier to troubleshoot the panels when they are misbehaving

3. see the attached file and calculate the ratings. Basically the rated current x0.8 ( correction for ambient temp) so 4 mm2 will carry 25 amps , 6 mm2 -33 and 10 mm2 -40

Based on your configuration use the correct size 4 or 6 mm2 from PV to Junction box and then from Junction box to CC suitably sized cable

Best luck

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