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Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Nobody: 8:18am On Mar 19, 2018 |
OLAADEGBU: Yes. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:07am On Mar 19, 2018 |
PastorAIO: The reality of hell fire: "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8.). The infallible Word of God trumps the fallible words of men all the time. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:21am On Mar 19, 2018 |
PrecisionFx: Discuss. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Nobody: 2:18pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
OLAADEGBU: U went for NYSC in kano. Religious wahala start. Dem begin kill Christians. U ran for ur life. U got to my house n I hid u inside my well. The marauding Islamist came to my house. They asked after u. I told them no one entered here. End of story. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:19am On Mar 20, 2018 |
PrecisionFx: The next time armed robbers come visiting try sending them on a wild goose chase and see whether that will be the "end of story." |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Nobody: 5:34pm On Mar 20, 2018 |
OLAADEGBU: I wasn't talking about Armed robbers sir. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:54pm On Mar 20, 2018 |
PrecisionFx: Use your analogy when armed robbers come visiting and see whether it will work. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Nobody: 8:50pm On Mar 20, 2018 |
OLAADEGBU: U brought up the armed robbery issue so u should use it.... 1 Like |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:05pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
PrecisionFx: When you answer 'the armed robbery issue' I will then relate it to your analogy. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by PastorAIO: 7:53pm On Mar 21, 2018 |
OLAADEGBU: Stop lying your unrighteous lies. I'm ready to bet my last threadbare pants that even if he should answer you will not honour your promise. You will follow up with another question and keep questioning until he despairs and no longer requires you to answer your question. This is your style generally speaking. All you can do is run and hide from simple questions. But on that day, you shall run to the rock and the rock will not hide you, you will run to the sea and the sea will not cover you. On that day. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:39am On Mar 22, 2018 |
PastorAIO: Either you or him should respond to my analogy and I will give you at least 3 outcomes to his, deal? |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by PastorAIO: 12:50pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
OLAADEGBU: Go and siddon somewhere, you think I have your time today. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:25pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
PastorAIO: I'm not surprised that you copped out as usual. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by PastorAIO: 4:39pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:08pm On Mar 24, 2018 |
PastorAIO: He created everything by the Power of His Word. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:14pm On Apr 04, 2018 |
Half truth is a whole lie.
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Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Kobojunkie: 4:18am On Apr 02, 2021 |
OLAADEGBU:Rahab was not a descendant of Israel and so not bound by the Old Covenant that the israelites were, not until she eventually went to live among them, and so her lie on behalf of the Israelites was likely not judged by their Law. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by oaroloye(m): 8:45am On Jun 14, 2021 |
MISHIGAS! OLAADEGBU: SO WHAT IF YACUB ach YESHUA THOUGHT THAT RACHAB THE HARLOT WAS JUSTIFIED? Is he our Lord or Savior? We don't have to care about his opinion. It is his Brother whom we are supposed to follow, not him! This Hypocrite did not support Lord Yeshua before nor after he died. He joined the Church after his Resurrection, and spearheaded the banning of Hebrew Christians from teaching Gentile Christians The Law of Moses, and from Circumcising them. Yacub can praise whoever he wants: that does not mean that God praised them. OLAADEGBU: WHAT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PART OF GOD'S COVENANT DO OR DO NOT DO IS IRRELEVANT: BECAUSE GOD IS NOT THEIR GOD. . GENESIS 17:1-14. AND when Abram was ninety years old and nine, The LORD appeared to Abram, and Said unto him, "I am The Almighty God; walk before Me, and be thou perfect. 2. "And I will make My Covenant between Me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly." 3. And Abram fell on his face: and God Talked with him, Saying, 4. "As for Me, behold, My Covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a Father of many Nations. 5. "Neither shall thy name any more be called "Abram," but thy name shall be "Abraham;" for a father of many nations have I made thee. 6. "And I will make thee Exceeding Fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7. "And I will establish My Covenant between Me and thee and thy seed after thee in their Generations for an Everlasting Covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8. "And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an Everlasting Possession; and I will be their God." 9. And God Said unto Abraham, "Thou shalt keep My Covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their Generations. 10. "This is My Covenant, Which ye shall keep, between Me and you and thy seed after thee; 'EVERY MAN CHILD AMONG YOU SHALL BE CIRCUMCISED.' 11. "And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a Token of The Covenant betwixt me and you. 12. "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your Generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13. "He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and My Covenant shall be in your flesh for an Everlasting Covenant. 14. "And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken My Covenant." Seun: UnchangeableGod: IMPORTANT POINT OF CLARIFICATION: THE HEBREWS OF THE BIBLE ARE "ISRAELITES," NOT "ISRAELIS." The Jews of the modern nation of Israel are the "ISRAELIS:" they are NOT Hebrews. Their Ancestors are not related to ABRAHAM, YSSAC, AND YACUB. They are descendants of KHAZARIANS, who converted en masse to the Hebrew Religion in the 9th Century, by command of their king, BULAN, who merely wanted to use the most convenient Abrahamic Religion, in his estimation, to unite his kingdom. [See: THE INTERNATIONAL JEW: The World's Most Foremost Problem, by Henry Ford. THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, by Arthur Koestler (1970). THE INVENTION OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE, by Shlomo Sand (2010).] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulan_(Khazar) RACHAB WAS TO BE COMMENDED FOR DOING WHATEVER SHE HAD TO DO TO SAVE THE LIVES OF THE ISRAELITE SPIES. . EXODUS 20:16. 16. "Thou shalt not bear False Witness against thy Neighbour." THE COMMANDMENT DID NOT SAY, "THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITHNESS," BUT, "THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOUR." Seun: THE NEIGHBOURS THAT COUNT ARE THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT PARTNERS: ONE IS NOT OBLIGED TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT FELLOW COVENANT BRETHREN. . LEVITICUS 19:11. 11. "Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another." THE COMMANDMENT SPECIFICALLY FORBADE COVENANT MEMBERS TO LIE TO ONE ANOTHER. Nothing is said about lying to ENEMIES of The Covenant Brethren. There is no Commandment to give out Information to non-Covenant Members that could be used to harm Members. Where would the sense of that be? SERVING THE ENEMY IS A CURSE! . JOSHUA 9:1-27. AND it came to pass, when all the kings which were on this side Jordan, in the hills, and in the valleys, and in all the coasts of the great Sea over against Lebanon, the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, heard thereof; 2. That they gathered themselves together, to fight with Joshua and with Israel, with one accord. 3. And when the inhabitants of Gibeon heard what Joshua had done unto Jericho and to Ai, 4. They did work wilily, and went and made as if they had been ambassadors, and took old sacks upon their asses, and wine bottles, old, and rent, and bound up; 5. And old shoes and clouted upon their feet, and old garments upon them; and all the bread of their provision was dry and mouldy. 6. And they went to Joshua unto the Camp at Gilgal, and said unto him, and to the men of Israel, "We be come from a far country: now therefore make ye a league with us." 7. And the men of Israel said unto the Hivites, "Peradventure ye dwell among us; and how shall we make a league with you?" 8. And they said unto Joshua, "We are thy servants." And Joshua said unto them, "Who are ye? And from whence come ye?" 9. And they said unto him, "From a very far country thy servants are come because of The Name of the LORD thy God: for we have heard the fame of Him, and all that He did in Egypt, 10. "And all that He did to the two kings of the Amorites, that were beyond Jordan, to Sihon king of Heshbon, and to Og king of Bashan, which was at Ashtaroth. 11. "Wherefore our Elders and all the inhabitants of our country spake to us, saying, 'TAKE VICTUALS WITH YOU FOR THE JOURNEY, AND GO TO MEET THEM, AND SAY UNTO THEM, "WE ARE YOUR SERVANTS: THEREFORE NOW MAKE YE A LEAGUE WITH US." ' 12. "This our bread we took hot for our provision out of our houses on the day we came forth to go unto you; but now, behold, it is dry, and it is mouldy: 13. "And these bottles of wine, which we filled, were new; and, behold, they be rent: and these our garments and our shoes are become old by reason of the very long journey." 14. And the men took of their victuals, and asked not Counsel at The Mouth of The LORD. 15. And Joshua made peace with them, and made a League with them, to let them live: and the Princes of the Congregation sware unto them. 16. And it came to pass at the end of three days after they had made a League with them, that they heard that they were their Neighbours, and that they dwelt among them. 17. And the Children of Israel journeyed, and came unto their cities on the third day. Now their cities were Gibeon, and Chephirah, and Beeroth, and Kirjathjearim. 18. And the Children of Israel smote them not, because the Princes of the Congregation had sworn unto them by The LORD God of Israel. And all the Congregation murmured against the Princes. 19. But all the Princes said unto all the Congregation, "We have sworn unto them by The LORD God of Israel: now therefore we may not touch them. 20. "This we will do to them; 'WE WILL EVEN LET THEM LIVE, LEST WRATH BE UPON US, BECAUSE OF THE OATH WHICH WE SWARE UNTO THEM.' " 21. And the princes said unto them, "Let them live; but let them be Hewers of Wood and Drawers of Water unto all the Congregation; as the Princes had promised them." 22. And Joshua called for them, and he spake unto them, saying, "Wherefore have ye beguiled us, saying, 'WE ARE VERY FAR FROM YOU;' when ye dwell among us? 23. "Now therefore ye are cursed, and there shall none of you be freed from being Bondmen, and Hewers of Wood and Drawers of Water for The House of my God." 24. And they answered Joshua, and said, "Because it was certainly told thy servants, how that The LORD thy God Commanded His Servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you, therefore we were sore afraid of our lives because of you, and have done this thing. 25. "And now, behold, we are in thine hand: as it seemeth Good and Right unto thee to do unto us, do." 26. And so did he unto them, and delivered them out of the Hand of The Children of Israel, that they slew them not. 27. And Joshua made them that day Hewers of Wood and Drawers of Water for the Congregation, and for The Altar of The LORD, even unto this day, in the place which He should choose. HERE WAS A CASE WHERE SOME PEOPLE LIED TO THE CHILDREN OF Y'SRAEL, IN ORDER TO OBTAIN COVENANT RIGHTS: HAD JOSHUA USED THE EXCUSE THAT THE OATH HAD BEEN OBTAINED BY LYING, I THINK THAT JUST ABOUT ANYONE WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT. Even the Gibeonites said as much. . LEVITICUS 19:33-34. 33. "And if a Stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34. "(But) the Stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I (am) The LORD your God." BUT IT WAS RULED THAT THE DECEPTION WAS UNIMPORTANT. Note, also, that people who volunteer to be Slaves cannot be freed. . EXODUS 21:1-6. "Now these are the Judgments Which thou shalt set before them. 2. "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years He shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. 3. "If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if He were married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4. "If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and He shall go out by himself. 5. "And if the servant shall plainly say, "I LOVE MY MASTER, MY WIFE, AND MY CHILDREN; I WILL NOT GO OUT FREE:" 6. "Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and He shall serve him for ever." NOR THEIR DESCENDANTS. The Law of Slavery illustrates the Laws of Nature, explaining how Perpetual Bondage comes to be, and how to attain freedom from It. . 1st SAMUEL 27:7-12. 7. And the time that David dwelt in the country of the Philistines was a full year and four months. 8. And David and his men went up, and invaded the Geshurites, and the Gezrites, and the Amalekites: for those nations were of old the inhabitants of the land, as thou goest to Shur, even unto the land of Egypt. 9. And David smote the land, and left neither man nor woman alive, and took away the sheep, and the oxen, and the asses, and the camels, and the apparel, and returned, and came to Achish. 10. And Achish said, "Whither have ye made a road to day?" And David said, "Against the South of Judah, and against the South of the Jerahmeelites, and against the South of the Kenites." 11. And David saved neither man nor woman alive, to bring tidings to Gath, saying, "Lest they should tell on us, saying, 'SO DID DAVID, AND SO WILL BE HIS MANNER ALL THE WHILE HE DWELLETH IN THE COUNTRY OF THE PHILISTINES.' " 12. And Achish believed David, saying, "He hath made his people Israel utterly to abhor him; therefore he shall be my servant for ever." DAWID MURDERED CIVILIAN NONCOMBATANTS, MERELY TO MAINTAIN BONAFIDES WITH THE PHILISTINE KING WHO ACTUALLY WAS HIS ENEMY- AND LIED ABOUT IT. Yet, he is revered in The Bible as a major Saint, and Prophet. HOW A PROPHET BECAME ANOINTED BY TELLING A LIE. . 1st KINGS 13:1-32. 10. So he went another way, and returned not by the way that he came to Bethel. 11. Now there dwelt an old Prophet in Bethel; and his sons came and told him all the Works that the Man of God had done that day in Bethel: the Words Which he had spoken unto the king, them they told also to their father. 12. And their father said unto them, “What way went he?” For his sons had seen what way the Man of God went, which came from Judah. 13. And he said unto his sons, “Saddle me the ass.” So they saddled him the ass: and he rode thereon, 14. And went after the Man of God, and found him sitting under an oak: and he said unto him, “Art thou the Man of God that camest from Judah?” And he said, “I am.” 15. Then he said unto him, “Come home with me, and eat bread.” 16. And he said, “I may not return with thee, nor go in with thee: neither will I eat bread nor drink water with thee in this place: 17. “For it was Said to me by the Word of The LORD, 'THOU SHALT EAT NO BREAD NOR DRINK WATER THERE, NOR TURN AGAIN TO GO BY THE WAY THAT THOU CAMEST.' ” 18. He said unto him, “I am a Prophet also as thou art; and an Angel spake unto me by the Word of The LORD, Saying, 'BRING HIM BACK WITH THEE INTO THINE HOUSE, THAT HE MAY EAT BREAD AND DRINK WATER.' ” But he lied unto him. 19. So he went back with him, and did eat bread in his house, and drank water. 20. And it came to pass, as they sat at the table, that the Word of The LORD Came unto the Prophet that brought him back: 21. And he Cried unto the Man of God that came from Judah, Saying, “Thus saith The LORD, 'FORASMUCH AS THOU HAST DISOBEYED THE MOUTH OF THE LORD, AND HAST NOT KEPT THE COMMANDMENT WHICH THE LORD THY GOD COMMANDED THEE, 22. 'BUT CAMEST BACK, AND HAST EATEN BREAD AND DRUNK WATER IN THE PLACE, OF THE WHICH THE LORD DID SAY TO THEE, “EAT NO BREAD, AND DRINK NO WATER;” THY CARCASE SHALL NOT COME UNTO THE SEPULCHRE OF THY FATHERS.' ” 23. And it came to pass, after he had eaten bread, and after he had drunk, that he saddled for him the ass, to wit, for the Prophet whom he had brought back. 24. And when he was gone, a lion met him by the way, and slew him: and his carcase was cast in the way, and the ass stood by it, the lion also stood by the carcase. 25. And, behold, men passed by, and saw the carcase cast in the way, and the lion standing by the carcase: and they came and told it in the city where the old Prophet dwelt. 26. And when the Prophet that brought him back from the way heard thereof, he said, “It is the Man of God, who was disobedient unto the Word of The LORD: therefore The LORD hath delivered him unto the lion, which hath torn him, and slain him, according to the Word of The LORD, Which He Spake unto him.” 27. And he spake to his sons, saying, “Saddle me the ass.” And they saddled him. 28. And he went and found his carcase cast in the way, and the ass and the lion standing by the carcase: the lion had not eaten the carcase, nor torn the ass. 29. And the Prophet took up the carcase of the Man of God, and laid it upon the ass, and brought it back: and the old Prophet came to the city, to mourn and to bury him. 30' And he laid his carcase in his own grave; and they mourned over him, saying, “Alas, my brother!” 31. And it came to pass, after he had buried him, that he spake to his sons, saying, “When I am dead, then bury me in the sepulchre wherein the Man of God is buried; lay my bones beside his bones: 32. “For the Saying which he Cried by the Word of The LORD against the altar in Bethel, and against all the Houses of the High Places which are in the cities of Samaria, shall surely come to pass.” THE INFERENCE IS THAT ONCE THE YOUNG PROPHET BROKE THE WORD OF GOD, HE CEASED TO BE A Y'SRAELITE. Therefore, the Commandment of God forbidding Deception of Brethren no longer applied to the older Prophet. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:14pm On May 19, 2022 |
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