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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Nwaohafia1: 6:56am On Apr 19, 2018
All Nigerians
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Quality20(m): 6:56am On Apr 19, 2018
Isn't d issue of tithe hypocrisy? When u ask xtians why they don't implement punishments for adultery and other laws, they are quick to tell u that they are all in d old testament, while they now follow d new testament of d bible. If that's really d case why have they not also discarded d issue of tithe, since its also a part of d old testament?

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by kense88: 6:56am On Apr 19, 2018
Its game over for adeboye, daddy mouth odour and other crooks. Slowly people are been liberated

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Kotodoctor: 6:58am On Apr 19, 2018
Christ asked, " what is it you went to the wilderness to see? A leave strayed by wind, or a man dressed in fine clothes. He said you went to see a prophet.

Fela told you this many years ago. But you call him a weed man.

" pastors house nai him de find pass, my people dem they stay for poor sorrounding"

Those were the real prophets. They spoke the truth. Stood on the side of the people. Spoke against the manipulative goverment of their day. Yes! They did it all.

This ones I see now, just wear the garment of religion. If them like let the politicians not pay teachers for decades. They won't alter a word. Cowards. Unusual auctions is all they know.

Let freeze continue to trouble them. For they are like tombs. All white and washy on the outside but on the inside are filled with dead men bones and all manners of deplorables.

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by SamuelAnyawu(m): 7:00am On Apr 19, 2018
Cromcruach91:


If fees were not high in church schools like covenant u, Redeemer's, Babcock, etc it would be very difficult to pay salaries, build new facilities, expand, etc.

Also, all those old mission schools were subsidised by Tithes of foreign church members and voluntary donations.and they were not free.

And yes, I am no fan of prosperity gospel. Funding education however is a whole new discussion

If you set up a school, someone has to pay for it.and since most church schools are not sponsored by government, it has to be fees.


European Religious Leaders were never Greedy
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Gggg102(m): 7:06am On Apr 19, 2018
this tithing stuff is becoming redundant.


in Christianity, giving is by free will.


God loves a cheerful giver not a compelled giver.

give because you love God not because you are forced.

heaven is not tied to tithing.

tieing heaven to tithing means you can buy heaven.
it's almost akin to the sin of simony, where Simon thought he could get the holyspirit with money. now they say you can get heaven with money.

if the only reason you give is because you were forced or you don't want to miss heaven, you are better off not giving.

if you want give 10% if you want give 100%, don't make it a compulsory doctrine others must follow. let everyone give according to his heart, and if your heart doesn't push you to give, that's your concern.

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Adebowale89(m): 7:07am On Apr 19, 2018
my question for adeboye is, if Christian that don't pay tithe would goto hell according to him, what then would be of people that aren't Christian ? unlike Muslim that don't introduce tithe in their religion but free donation(Sara) what would then be their fate, hell too?


and all non Christians will goto hell? because of one tithe? what would be of the pastor using the tax to buy private jets?

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Nobody: 7:10am On Apr 19, 2018
AprilSmallWoman:
How did we get to this point? we've become a subject of discussion and ridicule to the outside world. it hurts to see this.
Go get your PVC ready people..help save the generations yet to come.
They are taking about tithe here not politics

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Nobody: 7:12am On Apr 19, 2018
kolawoleibukun:
the thieves. the pastors and Imam. celebrity pastors and imam, the sheeples are fools and you do not blame them because they are desperate for a visible answer that is not there. instead of worshipping God in spirit and truth they are looking for signs.

these pastors and imam capitalize on their weaknesses to prey on them.

they lie to muslims that they would be given 7 virgins if they commit murder.
Imam don't collect 10%(tithe)

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by ajbabs(m): 7:15am On Apr 19, 2018
ITbomb:
I started doubting tithe when it was made compulsory and a supposedly curse on those who don't do it

That's not the gospel I was taught


70% offerings to headquarters and 30% remains for local parish, these guys are operating a fvrking franchise
No wonder they insist on spreading like mushrooms everywhere
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by zabuur: 7:15am On Apr 19, 2018
The good thing about this tithing is that, the argument is just amongst the Christians only. This is what happens when u claim u have your Bible but, with different versions. Simply put, no unity,. They call themselves Christians but, their ways to Christ really differ and disturbing
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by cana882(m): 7:16am On Apr 19, 2018
Cromcruach91:


If fees were not high in church schools like covenant u, Redeemer's, Babcock, etc it would be very difficult to pay salaries, build new facilities, expand, etc.

[b]Also, all those old mission schools were subsidised by Tithes of foreign church members and voluntary donations.[/b]and they were not free.

And yes, I am no fan of prosperity gospel. Funding education however is a whole new discussion

If you set up a school, someone has to pay for it.and since most church schools are not sponsored by government, it has to be fees.
Can't they also subsidize the fees from the normal incoming weekly tithes??
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Haddock(m): 7:18am On Apr 19, 2018
kulboy:
This table you are shaking has lots of pastors and G.O’s on it oh!

Oga abeg no kee pesin with laff o!

Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by proxillin(m): 7:18am On Apr 19, 2018
Cromcruach91:


If fees were not high in church schools like covenant u, Redeemer's, Babcock, etc it would be very difficult to pay salaries, build new facilities, expand, etc.

Also, all those old mission schools were subsidised by Tithes of foreign church members and voluntary donations.and they were not free.

And yes, I am no fan of prosperity gospel. Funding education however is a whole new discussion

If you set up a school, someone has to pay for it.and since most church schools are not sponsored by government, it has to be fees.

Tthe students attending those schools don't pay school fess na. Na free school.
Abi what about schools owned by private investors who don't have church?

Religion doesn't make people use their brains.

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by DrToche: 7:18am On Apr 19, 2018
if people were taught to use their power and how to use their attitude they will definitely forsake religion cos then they know the power only comes from within them...
religion is going extinct already.. only fools still remain now and soon will wise up

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Spicycat(f): 7:20am On Apr 19, 2018
kolawoleibukun:
the thieves. the pastors and Imam. celebrity pastors and imam, the sheeples are fools and you do not blame them because they are desperate for a visible answer that is not there. instead of worshipping God in spirit and truth they are looking for signs.

these pastors and imam capitalize on their weaknesses to prey on them.

they lie to muslims that they would be given 7 virgins if they commit murder.

It seems you don't know Islam at all, grin there's nothing like celebrity imams, the foolishness perpetrated by Christians to compulsory give out %10 of their income is not practice in Islam. Every Muslim imam must work just like every other person to earn money to feed his family.

For the sake of education take time out to learn the ways of islam from muslins, not from non Muslims or else you will be misled.

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by hopefulLandlord: 7:21am On Apr 19, 2018
Anyone not paying tithes would end up in eternal barbecue making chamber when he leaves this earth. This is what our spirit filled GO said and that's final as its not him saying it but Holy spirit speaking through him

pay your tithes so you can make heaven, better safe than sorry. what would 10% really make as a difference in your life? is it worth risking your salvation for?

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Pavore9: 7:25am On Apr 19, 2018
Megatrix:
I don't understand the hairsplitting about people paying tithes. People should learn to mind their business, their is no compulsion in Religion. Those who believe in paying tithes should be allowed to do so and those who don't believe in paying tithes are also free not to

The issue here is the propagating of the doctrine that if one does not tithe, hell fire! angry Such false teachings must be vehemently countered!

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Haddock(m): 7:27am On Apr 19, 2018
yemaldo:
Imam don't collect 10%(tithe)
How you take drag imam enter tithe discussion?! Na wa o!
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by lexy2014: 7:27am On Apr 19, 2018
Cromcruach91:


If fees were not high in church schools like covenant u, Redeemer's, Babcock, etc it would be very difficult to pay salaries, build new facilities, expand, etc.

Also, all those old mission schools were subsidised by Tithes of foreign church members and voluntary donations.and they were not free.

And yes, I am no fan of prosperity gospel. Funding education however is a whole new discussion.

If you set up a school, someone has to pay for it.and since most church schools are not sponsored by government, it has to be fees.
same way if u buy private jet, build estates inside redemption camp, someone has 2 pay 4 it. My brother I understand u but leave this matter. What we are seeing is serious business not gospel

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Nobody: 7:28am On Apr 19, 2018
proxillin:


Tthe students attending those schools don't pay school fess na. Na free school.
Abi what about schools owned by private investors who don't have church?

Religion doesn't make people use their brains.

1.Thanks for saying I don't use my brain.

2.The point i want to make is that fees for private institutions do not go into the owner's pocket...they go into things like salaires, facilities, etc.If the church owner started paying staff salaries of N20000 because fees have to be kept low for the poor, you would then complain that the pastor is a bad employer.

3.I am not a fan of the 'prosperity gospel', so take your greviances elsewhere.
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by lexy2014: 7:30am On Apr 19, 2018
Cromcruach91:


1.Thanks for saying I don't use my brain.

2.The point i want to make is that fees for private institutions do not go into the owner's pocket...they go into things like salaires, facilities, etc.If the church owner started paying staff salaries of N20000 because fees have to be kept low for the poor, you would then complain that the pastor is a bad employer.

3.I am not a fan of the 'prosperity gospel', so take your greviances elsewhere.
so u honestly believe they don't make profits from their schools?

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Nobody: 7:30am On Apr 19, 2018
lexy2014:
same way if u buy private jet, build estates inside redemption camp, someone has 2 pay 4 it

That's a different discussion from funding educational institutions, and as I have said , I am not a fan of the 'prosperity gospel'

Charging low fees in such church schools automatically means low salaries for staff, and zero funds for upgrading school facilities, etc.

As for private jets....I dont; think a pastor has business with jets or property....so I guess we agree on that.
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by jamace(m): 7:32am On Apr 19, 2018
ITbomb:
I started doubting tithe when it was made compulsory and a supposedly curse on those who don't do it

That's not the gospel I was taught


70% offerings to headquarters and 30% remains for local parish, these guys are operating a fvrking franchise
No wonder they insist on spreading like mushrooms everywhere
Very true, my brother. Tithing is illegal in the ministry of Jesus.
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Nobody: 7:34am On Apr 19, 2018
cana882:
Can't they also subsidize the fees from the normal incoming weekly tithes??

Since i don't have access to the churches' financial statements, I can't answer that question...however, it should be noted that those churches too also have to pay pastors, church workers, workers in the businesses the churches run, etc...so subsidising fees is not going to be that easy.

Having said that, educaiton is not free, sadly. We have badly equiped universites in this country because we insist on paying fees of less than $200 and expect a $40000 education. It does not work that way.

Unless you want government to take over the church schools. They did that in the 1970's with lots of mission schools. Funding went down because the schools became financial liabilites, and today most of them are a mess.
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Evince(m): 7:35am On Apr 19, 2018
Cromcruach91:


If fees were not high in church schools like covenant u, Redeemer's, Babcock, etc it would be very difficult to pay salaries, build new facilities, expand, etc.

Also, all those old mission schools were subsidised by Tithes of foreign church members and voluntary donations.and they were not free.

And yes, I am no fan of prosperity gospel. Funding education however is a whole new discussion

If you set up a school, someone has to pay for it.and since most church schools are not sponsored by government, it has to be fees.

Mumu get lost.
Did early missionary charge anybody?
The tithe Money is even enough to pay d salaries but they want it for their lifestyle.
Stop being stupid b4 I slap u

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by diportivo: 7:35am On Apr 19, 2018
Cromcruach91:


If fees were not high in church schools like covenant u, Redeemer's, Babcock, etc it would be very difficult to pay salaries, build new facilities, expand, etc.

Also, all those old mission schools were subsidised by Tithes of foreign church members and voluntary donations.and they were not free.

And yes, I am no fan of prosperity gospel. Funding education however is a whole new discussion

If you set up a school, someone has to pay for it.and since most church schools are not sponsored by government, it has to be fees.


it's only in Nigeria people want to bag degrees for free

I just don't get the thinking
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by SarcasticMe(m): 7:36am On Apr 19, 2018
Purewatermeji:
angry The reasons criminals like Adeboye and Oyedepo continues to thrive is that the ignorance of the populace benefits the politicians and fraudulent pastors. Every Sunday all churches are filled with empty headed worshipers repeating the same prayer points every day without realizing that their destiny is in their hands. Africans will rather go to church and mosques to pray for manners to fall from heaven. The most selfish continent in the world adding no productive output and value to humanity. We have been praying for decades yet our level of development cannot match countries with less religiosity and natural resources. We import everything and yet get angry when the west tells us to marry same gender. China is the largest economy right now and the factory of the world. The reason why their government is clamping down on religion and encouraging research in science and technology. No western nations dare dictate or enforce their beliefs on china because they liberated themselves economically. Instead of the brain dead leaders in Abuja to sponsor and encourage research in science and technology, they will rather spend billions of naira on pilgrimages to Saudi Arabia and Israel while the gullible masses continue to lavish in poverty and under-development. Africa is a cursed continent filled with greedy and mentally lazy idiots parading as political and religious leaders
Your backwardness is not a result of Christianity. The fact that Africa decides to use the worship of God for their sinister motives is a blemish on Africans, not Christianity. Just like every other good thing that you've been served, you've bastardized Christianity. See the educational sector, see everywhere... Churches are filling up, but few people are living a holy life, as preached. We have genuine pastors who are bent on teaching people the right thing. They don't force you to give... Naturally, a good clergyman will produce great men with good integrity in his church. Is it not only normal that he be rewarded. You make your congregation live well on earth and prepare for heaven. If you don't believe the latter, at least you belief in living a good life. That's what Christianity preaches. If we change the nature of Christianity, it is our own fault and an habit we've become used to.
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by lexy2014: 7:39am On Apr 19, 2018
Cromcruach91:


That's a different discussion from funding educational institutions, and as I have said , I am not a fan of the 'prosperity gospel'

Charging low fees in such church schools automatically means low salaries for staff, and zero funds for upgrading school facilities, etc.

As for private jets....I dont; think a pastor has business with jets or property....so I guess we agree on that.
what am saying is that d source of funding for private jets comes from d same source used to build d schools. If d money used 2 buy private jets& maintain their lavish lifestyles was used 2 subsidise fees, it would have been possible 2 charge low fees and pay good salaries. Pls read about a man called abdulsattar edhi. It will shock u what this man accomplished and d sacrifices he had to make 4d benefit of others
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by lexy2014: 7:41am On Apr 19, 2018
diportivo:



it's only in Nigeria people want to bag degrees for free

I just don't get the thinking

that's not true. In Canada medical education is highly subsidised by d govt.

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Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by otokx(m): 7:41am On Apr 19, 2018
The receivers
Re: Who Really Benefits From Nigeria's 'prosperity Gospel'? (BBC News) by Nobody: 7:42am On Apr 19, 2018
diportivo:



it's only in Nigeria people want to bag degrees for free

I just don't get the thinking


I don't myself too...but at the same time it is understandable.

A guy my dad mentored once, when he went to university(after struggling ), his (the guy's) dad gave him N2000 and said 'That is all I have to give you (and his fees were ten times that, talkless of living costs). Thankfully the chap managed to graduate, got a good job after NYSC ,and is married. There are lots of Nigerian students like him.

I think that what Christians (and even Muslims ) can do is either on an individual or colelctive basis, sponsor a poor student through school..or even CAN could set up some sort of contributory fund for poor and indigent students...every christian in Naija pays N100-500 a month...it could be helpful.

Let's be frank, education isn't cheap. At the same time THERE are a lot of poor students. Somehow...a balance must be struck.

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