The following question is from Richard Dawkins' Twitter handle. Much of science is counter-intuitive and weird.

"If asked to rank weirdness from high to low, how do you place the following?

Cosmic inflation
Two-slit quantum experiment
“Schrödinger’s cat”
Special relativity
General relativity & curved space
Evolution of complex life without designer"

Popular Jackie Chan’s 19-year-old daughter Etta Ng Chok Lam in a recent Instagram post confirmed that she had married her long time Canadian girlfriend, Andi Autumn.

She posted a photo of herself and Andi on her personal Instagram account, both wearing white dresses and holding a marriage certificate dated November 8, 2018. She captioned the photo, “united by love and law, on our wedding day”.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news.php?id=202649


Should this kind of marriage be accepted in Nigeria?

By the standard, modern definition, God created all things, is the source of all things, and provides life and energy to all things. So God is beyond the ideas of any particular form, while still encompassing them all as various means of expression. It's kind of like asking if the form of an atom is matter or energy. Well it's both and can be represented as either or both depending on the circumstances, just like God. So God is physical because we see a physical world represented that He created.

You're a funny man, accussing me of asking unscientific questions when you, sir, is making such a claim @bolded. Where is your scientific data contesting that God created the universe hmm?
I presume your concept of God for this debate is that of a pantheist. Can you say the same for abrahamic religions?

Sure. Who knows? So [s]many physicists on the cutting edge of quantum physics became religious from the work they did[/s]. It is an act of ignorance that will make one to discredit a belief system that has existed since the beginning of Homo Sapiens,

People had always believed that the earth was flat.

It is rather aggressively ignorant of you, a scholar to not keep an open mind and to not bear in mind that science doesn't reveal all mysteries in one night. Time is of the essence.

and probably before. What do we know, other than the fact that we don’t know much of anything - especially about the beginnings of reality?

We dont know? Are you speaking as a scientist or religious someone?

That is a complete mystery and any opinion or theory is just as valid as any other
This is not a scienctifc question. But giving it a shoot; ,He would have to come from reproduceable anti-entropy. Same as everything else.

We already know of the GUT and TOE so it not about giving it a shoot. Thanks to science.

Another unscientific questions. It is like asking what causes bang or bounce? Science don't know, when does it started? Science don't know either, the explanation given so far is That the Big Bang is the moment that space and time (or ‘space-time’) came into existence. At point in time when their was no space or time. So, it is actually meaningless to ask what caused the Big Bang to happen. Same to God, how can we know what instigate God to caused the process when we have not fully Understand this process itself .

From a scientific POV i dont think it would be wrong to ask about the big bang. Afterall science is all about answering the "How's" and "why's".

“The human consciousness is a great puzzle….The origin of the Universe is another mystery, but physicists are working on it. Maybe one day we’ll understand it…” – Richard Dawkins

Thank you for the quote. A perfect reply for @bolded above. We don't know yet doesn't mean God should come and complete the equation.


I guess nobody knows it.

It does not even belong to science.

Beg your pardon but i dont see religion providing answers to the questions that has plaque humanity since when the H. sapien opened its eyes.
Vaax

vaxx:
Popular Jackie Chan’s 19-year-old daughter Etta Ng Chok Lam in a recent Instagram post confirmed that she had married her long time Canadian girlfriend, Andi Autumn.

She posted a photo of herself and Andi on her personal Instagram account, both wearing white dresses and holding a marriage certificate dated November 8, 2018. She captioned the photo, “united by love and law, on our wedding day”.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news.php?id=202649


Should this kind of marriage be accepted in Nigeria?

Why not. In btw wonder why Jackie chan kids are akward

kkins25:

Why not. In btw wonder why Jackie chan kids are akward

So most of his children reallly are awkward?

vaxx:
Popular Jackie Chan’s 19-year-old daughter Etta Ng Chok Lam in a recent Instagram post confirmed that she had married her long time Canadian girlfriend, Andi Autumn.

She posted a photo of herself and Andi on her personal Instagram account,
both wearing white dresses and holding a marriage certificate dated November 8, 2018.
She captioned the photo, “united by love and law, on our wedding day”.


Should this kind of marriage be accepted in Nigeria?

1/ Why shouldnt this kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour?
2/ What evil(s) has this kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour?
3/ What harm(s) has this kind of marriage between two consenting adults?

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Why shouldnt this kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour?
2/ What evil(s) has this kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour?
3/ What harm(s) has this kind of marriage between two consenting adults?

Simply because two consenting adults don't determine right or wrong.
Otherwise we shouldn't complain anymore about the two conniving adults (politicians and company staff) have been consenting to embezzle Nigerians commonwealth and company funds respectively.

Right or wrong is not determined by two or more people. It is determined by God. Only He has established to mankind what is right, what is fruitful, what profitable, what is enduring, what is beautiful and what is moral.

You might be tempted to think homosexuality hurts no one until your children decide to be homosexual and the future is filled with a bunch of immoral, vain, unstable and self-centered adults who hate children.

Surprising, i never received this mention till this morning.

kkins25:


You're a funny man, accussing me of asking unscientific questions when you, sir, is making such a claim @bolded. Where is your scientific data contesting that God created the universe hmm?
I presume your concept of God for this debate is that of a pantheist. Can you say the same for abrahamic religions?

That is the mordern definition of God as used by human being and this those not exclude scientist as well. Whether the definition compliment scienctifc findings is another discussion entirely. My God concept here is based on the mordern definition and hence not limited to pantheist idea only.

People had always believed that the earth was flat

.Not true, as primitive as that time might be, some individual like Pythagoras, Empedocles and Aristotle were not subscribing to such idea. Aristotle an agnostic at best offer a very rational and logicsl explanation as to reasons the earth is round instead of flat..The Islamic scholars were also the first to develop the mathematics to derive the dimensions of the earth. It’s circumference, radius, ..etc... so your postulation isn't true.

it is rather aggressively ignorant of you, a scholar to not keep an open mind and to not bear in mind that science doesn't reveal all mysteries in one night. Time is of the essence.

i will argue that in the essence of revealing mysteries, science is even creating more. For example, how does liquid water existed in earth? We know scientifically that early in Earth’s history the sun would have been fainter than it is now, and wouldn’t have had a big enough power output to melt ice on Earth. But from geological evidence we know that there was liquid water at the surface of our planet between 3.8 and 2.4 billion years ago, when life evolved. There are a few theories floating around but no explanation just yet. Do you even know it take more genes to make tomato than human. Science is yet ti offer profound explanation for this. You see the problem here, the more science try to offer explanation to a particular mystery, the more science encounter another one. Science is s progressive work that will never finished so far humanity exist until the mystery decide to reveal itself.

We dont know? Are you speaking as a scientist or religious someone?

i am speaking as human who knows his or her limitation.

We already know of the GUT and TOE so it not about giving it a shoot. Thanks to science.

couldn't comprehend you here. An explanation will be fine.

From a scientific POV i dont think it would be wrong to ask about the big bang. Afterall science is all about answering the "How's" and "why's".

Are you suggesting that science can answer all question? If so provide a reliable evidence for this. And pls why questions is meaningless to science. Science works with how?

I Thank you for the quote. A perfect reply for @bolded above. We don't know yet doesn't mean God should come and complete the equation.

""We feel that even if all possible scientific questions be answered, the problems of life have still not been touched at all. Of course there is then no question left, and just this is the answer"" ― Ludwig Wittgenstein, "Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus"quote.

i guess nobody knows it.

Beg your pardon but i dont see religion providing answers to the questions that has plaque humanity since when the H. sapien opened its eyes.
Vaax

Nobody knows everything, that is why it is mystery itself. This is what pope francis says, " If a person says without any doubt that he has found GOD, something is wrong. If one has an answer to all questions, GOD is not with that person. A Christian who has everything clear and certain will not find anything"" flawless evidence itself is an error, science and logic does not support it.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Why shouldnt this kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour?
2/ What evil(s) has this kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour?
3/ What harm(s) has this kind of marriage between two consenting adults?

Why is fighting illegal, even if both opponents consent to it? Do you suspect the same argument you provide here can be used to invalidate the legality of making mutual combat a crime?


I think you should look at it base on fact rather than law....

pressplay411:
Simply because two consenting adults don't determine right or wrong.
Otherwise we shouldn't complain anymore about the two conniving adults (politicians and company staff) have been consenting to embezzle Nigerians commonwealth and company funds respectively.

Right or wrong is not determined by two or more people. It is determined by God. Only He has established to mankind what is right, what is fruitful, what profitable, what is enduring, what is beautiful and what is moral.

You might be tempted to think homosexuality hurts no one until your children decide to be homosexual and the future is filled with a bunch of immoral, vain, unstable and self-centered adults who hate children.

Have another crack of the whip with the three questions again
and this time answer them properly, objectively and without strawman mining.

vaxx:
Why is fighting illegal, even if both opponents consent to it? D
Do you suspect the same argument you provide here can be used to invalidate the legality of making mutual combat a crime?


I think you should look at it base on fact rather than law....

Make a good and strong note of the manner the questions ended and tell if your argument is in tune with the question

MuttleyLaff:
Make a good and strong note of the manner the questions ended and tell if your argument is in tune with the question

then with that understanding mutual combat shouldn't be illegal if a bystander is not injured or property is not damaged.....

I ask again do you still suspect your response can be used to validate fighting between two concenting adult?

vaxx:
then with that understanding mutual combat shouldn't be illegal if a bystander is not injured or property is not damaged.....

I ask again do you still suspect your response can be used to validate fighting between two concenting adult?

To start with I am not asking questions about fighting but talking about this kind of marriage that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour.

Please answer the questions outrightly first before dropping and slinging in distractions.

MuttleyLaff:
To start with I am not asking questions about fighting but talking about this kind of marriage that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour.

Please answer the questions outrightly first before dropping and slinging in distractions.

let me summarise our discussion so far..
1 Your basis is on concenting aduilt. You asserting the notion that it has no negative effect on the environment which is taking place and neither does it cost harm to the consenting adults.

2 This is your veiw, i let you know that the same veiw can also be used to invalidate the crime levelled against two mutual fighter. Infact in most countries there are legal forms of boxing or MMA style fighting. Football, rugby and hockey satisfy the rest of the blood-lust. What will you do about this? This is not distraction at all. It is even spicing your notion.

See bro, The concept of concent you are using here is bogus as it needs to address some basic question


1 what is the scope of concent

2 what is the extent of permissible concent

3 how are you going to prove concent.

the legality of lesbianism/gay is really more of a question of fact, not of law. Unless you have an answer to the questions i raised?.

vaxx:
let me summarise our discussion so far..
1 Your basis is on concenting aduilt. You asserting the notion that it has no negative effect on the environment which is taking place and neither does it cost harm to the consenting adults.

2 This is your veiw, i let you know that the same veiw can also be used to invalidate the crime levelled against two mutual fighter.
Infact in most countries there are legal forms of boxing or MMA style fighting.
Football, rugby and hockey satisfy the rest of the blood-lust.
What will you do about this?
This is not distraction at all. It is even spicing your notion.

See bro, The concept of concent you are using here is bogus as it needs to address some basic question


1 what is the scope of concent

2 what is the extent of permissible concent

3 how are you going to prove concent.

the legality of lesbianism/gay is really more of a question of fact, not of law. Unless you have an answer to the questions i raised?.

Let me summarise, I am not here to argue with you about fighting.

I posted three questions about a particular kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour to discuss on
but my observation shows that you strongly want to contrast this kind of marriage with fighting

Fair enough but I reiterate, please answer the posed three questions outrightly first before dropping and slinging in distractions.
Can you kindly manage to answer the three questions first.

MuttleyLaff:
Let me summarise, I am not here to argue with you about fighting.

I posted three questions about a particular kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour to discuss on
but my observation shows that you strongly want to contrast this kind of marriage with fighting

Fair enough but I reiterate, pleavese answer the posed three questions outrightly first before dropping and slinging in distractions.
Can you kindly manage to answer the three questions first.

it will have been simple for me to answer, if the notion of your concept of concent is settled.

How do you expect me to answer a wrong question?

vaxx:
it will have been simple for me to answer, if the notion of your concept of concent is settled.

How do you expect me to answer a wrong question?

I insist we get our priorities right, first things first
Those three important questions should be answered first before you table your questions, your arguments or any other things.

MuttleyLaff:
I insist we get our priorities right, first things first
Those three important questions should be answered first before you table your questions, your arguments or any other things.

Your questions is wrong, i have even try by bringing out the wrong assumptions/implication in it . That is the best i can do. Infact i have as well challenged you to correct my notions. Give me a valid evidence you raised a good question. I am asking for evidence to support the implied claims.

“Please offer evidence that consent is fact base”

“Please offer evidence that the concent is provable ”

"" please offer evidence that the concent will always be permitted in court of law regardless ""

This are my simple basic question.....

vaxx:
Your questions is wrong, i have even try by bringing out the wrong assumptions/implication in it.
That is the best i can do.
Infact i have as well challenged you to correct my notions.
Give me a valid evidence you raised a good question.
I am asking for evidence to support the implied claims.

vaxx, I dont understand why you have to kick the ball way out of the playing field area
You are with your simple basic question(s) kicking the ball out of play

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vaxx:
“Please offer evidence that consent is fact base”

The Etta Ng Chok Lam and Andi Autumn picture tells it all

vaxx:
“Please offer evidence that the concent is provable ”

Again the Etta Ng Chok Lam and Andi Autumn picture with both wearing white dresses

vaxx:
"please offer evidence that the concent will always be permitted in court of law regardless"

Again the Etta Ng Chok Lam and Andi Autumn holding a marriage certificate dated November 8, 2018.

vaxx:
This are my simple basic question.....

vaxx, now you'll have to answer my original three questions

Or are you against same sex relationships and/or marriage of this kind?
Are you in cahoot with pressplay411, that believes homosexuality hurts no one until your children decide to be homosexual
and the future is filled with a bunch of immoral, vain, unstable and self-centered adults who hate children?

MuttleyLaff:

vaxx, now you'll have to answer my original three questions

Or are you against same sex relationships and/or marriage of this kind?
Are you in cahoot with pressplay411, that believes homosexuality hurts no one until your children decide to be homosexual
and the future is filled with a bunch of immoral, vain, unstable and self-centered adults who hate children?

.
You show me the evidence of certificate and white cloth evidence as the basis of concent right? You forgot that the certificate does not guaranty them the concent of the real couple in a legal sense. (I.e )like employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges, Per diem payment to spouse for civil service employees when relocating as it stipulated in canadian law that was influenced by british law which Nigeria also adopt.

So what is the essence of certificate that those not protect legal right for two concenting adult You see the beautiful lies the gays/lesbian supporting society are promoting. ""Fine you can practice your gay but no benefits for you " that is the unwritten silent statement of gay/lesbians approved nation. concent here had been breached.

I have no buisness to what anybody is doing in his or her bedroom. But I i am against illogical thought that willl end up not protecting human concent as it may be. It is crucial to notice that including gays/lesbianism marriage laws into Nigeria legal system will meaan the revision of marriage. In order to offer the status of marriage to couples of the same sex, the very meaning of marriage has to be changed. In which case, what same-sex couples will have will not be the same as what differently sexed couples now have.

It will be called marriage, but it won't be marriage as we know it. It won't be "marriage equality it will be an entirely new thing. To remove the sexual specificity from the notion of marriage makes marriage not a realisation of the bodily difference between male and female that protects and dignifies each, but simply a matter of choice.

vaxx:
You show me the evidence of certificate and white cloth evidence as the basis of concent right? You forgot that the certificate does not guaranty them the concent of the real couple in a legal sense i.e. like employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges, Per diem payment to spouse for civil service employees when relocating as it stipulated in canadian law that was influenced by british law which Nigeria also adopt.

So what is the essence of certificate that those is not protect legal right for two concenting. You see the beautiful lies the gays supporting society are promoting. Fine you can practice your gay but no benefits for you "" that is unwritten silent statement of gay/lesbians approved nation. concent here had been breached.

I have no buisness to what anybody is doing in his or her bedroom.
But I i am against illogical thought that willl end up not protecting human concent as it may be. It is crucial to notice that including gays/lesbianism marriage laws into Nigeria legal system will mean the revision of marriage. In order to offer the status of marriage to couples of the same sex, the very meaning of marriage has to be changed.
In which case, what same-sex couples will have will not be the same as what differently sexed couples now have.

It will be called marriage, but it won't be marriage as we know it.
It won't be "marriage equality it will be an entirely new thing.
To remove the sexual specificity from the notion of marriage makes marriage not a realisation of the bodily difference between male and female that protects and dignifies each, but simply a matter of choice.

Unlike you, I answered your questions
the least you could have done was to have the decency to answer my three questions,
then, after, if you like, maybe give a piece of your mind, rant or rave.

You should have business to what anybody is doing in his or her bedroom,
especially if what is done in his or her bedroom is evil,
is not an adult mutual consent,
and if it is detriment to another person, betrayal of another person, cheating on another person, and is harmful to an object or neighbour

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.
Gay liberation and the decriminalisation of homosexuality was gradual.
Patience is the secret

MuttleyLaff:
Unlike you, I answered your questions
the least you could have done was to have the decency to answer my three questions,
then, after, if you like, maybe give a piece of your mind, rant or rave.

You should have business to what anybody is doing in his or her bedroom,
especially if what is done in his or her bedroom is evil,
is not an adult mutual consent,
and if it is detriment to another person, betrayal of another person, cheating on another person, and is harmful to an object or neighbour

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.
Gay liberation and the decriminalisation of homosexuality was gradual.
Patience is the secret

i have taken you thru, why the concent assumption you raised is wrong. You can't justify concent in this case. For me to go ahead in answering your question the limitation therein should be address. Answering your question is not important more than the values your questions will be providing if it is answer. And to get to the values of your question, we need to evaluate the question itself. Your question foundation is faulty
.
You are suggesting that privacy should not be a human right and my right to privacy should be abolished at best.. .

This why some academia are advocating that the sanction for rights has to be rescinded in favour of moral and political philosophy. I.e. jurisprudence due to this kind of notion you brought forward.

Yes the journey of thousands miles begins with one step"" which i can say it was a single sperm cells that was before infant and baby before child, child before an adult.likewise the condition of gay and lesbianism is not matured to be term legal in Nigeria, factors are there to be consider . The first step that is necessary for this whole journey will be taken when Nigerians legal system gives a valid argument that applying the word "marriage" to some relationships and not to others is not unequal treatment, and thus not discrimination.

Unless you argue that unequal treatment of things that are not the same isn't automatically wrong to discriminate per se.

Bro this veiw should rather be given base on fact instead of law . The concent notion here will need a whole lot of rational and logical evidence to be given a notice

vaxx:
i have taken you thru, why the concent assumption you asked is wrong.
You can't justify concent in this case. For me to gobahed Answering your question thr limitation therein should be address.
Answering your question is not important as to the values your questions will be providing if it is answer.
And to get to the values of your question, we need to evaluate the question itself.
Your question foundation is faulty

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"Should this kind of marriage be accepted in Nigeria?"
- by vaxx: 12:32pm On Nov 27

1/ Why shouldnt this kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour?
2/ What evil(s) has this kind of marriage, that is between two consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour?
3/ What harm(s) has this kind of marriage between two consenting adults?
- by MuttleyLaff: 8:02am On Nov 28

The two above should help you remember how this kicked off with me asking the three questions because of yours

vaxx:
You are suggesting that privacy should not be a human right and my right to privacy should be abolished at best

This why some academia are advocating that the sanction for rights has to be rescinded in favour of moral and political philosophy. I.e. jurisprudence due to this kind of notion you brought forward.

Are you sure I suggested anything

vaxx:
Yes the journey of thousands miles begins with one step""
which i can say it was a single sperm cells that was before infant and baby before child, child before an adult.
likewise the condition of gay and lesbianism is not matured to be term legal in Nigeria, factors are there to be consider .
The first step that is necessary for this whole journey will be taken when Nigerians legal system gives a valid argument that applying the word "marriage" to some relationships and not to others is not unequal treatment, and thus not discrimination.

Criminal penalties against homosexuality persisted in the UK until 2013
It is going to be a slow, long and winding road
and that's why I earlier mentioned that patience is the secret

vaxx:
Unless you argue that unequal treatment of things that are not the same isn't automatically wrong to discriminate per se.

Bro this veiw should rather be given base on fact instead of law

Brother quit being truculent
and regardless of fact and/or or law, just simply answer the three questions

vaxx:
The concent notion here will need a whole lot of rational and logical evidence to be given a notice

What are you on about?
Consent, especially, the two adults' consent, in the questions, is not at all complicated.

The two consenting adults, mutually, permit the way they both behave towards each other in the faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour

vaxx:

“Please offer evidence that consent is fact base”

“Please offer evidence that the concent is provable ”

"" please offer evidence that the concent will always be permitted in court of law regardless ""

This are my simple basic question.....

Abba vaxx! You posted Jackie Chan's daughter wearing white kissing the woman she was going to marry, and now it is MuttleyLaff who should provide evidence that they agreed and that forever and ever, the court would agree too!

Na wa o!

MuttleyLaff:
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"[i]Should this kind of marriage be allowed in Nigeria.
The two above should help you remember how this kicked off with me asking the three questions because of yours

Your postulation so far was based solely on concent...and you were please that the state and the same sex in question agree to it by using their certificate and white dress as a validation ""Fine"" in which i postulate same thing can't happen in Nigeria because that move contradict the very notion of concent as stipulated under Nigeria contract of marriage. I even go ahead by stating that the countries validating this contracts are promoting beautiful lies. Because in actual sense, they are not protected by the benefit given to valid marriage contract. That is my basic explanation so far.

Are you sure I suggested anything

""You said what others do in their room should be part of my concern especially if what they do is evil"" i said that we constitute the breach of privacy, in so far what they are doing is not affecting public or enviroment affairs. What others do in their private confine is none of my business. It is against thier constitutional right for me to poke nose into theor private affairs that does not has anything to do with public or enviroment affairs.

Criminal penalties against homosexuality persisted in the UK until 2013
It is going to be a slow, long and winding road
and that's why I earlier mentioned that patience is the secret

i will rather say rational validation is the key, for us ( Nigeria) not to fall into the same dishonest lies like our western brethren, we need to see the flaws of this concent among the same sex marriage and correct it as posssible. A marriage between same sex marriage is not traditional and if same sex marriage must be included then the marriage definition must be changed.. As you may understand it, marriage is not merely the expression of a love people have for each other. It is, or is intended as, a life-long union between two people who exemplify the biological duality of the human race, with the openness to welcoming children into the world. Even when children do not arrive, the differentiated twoness of marriage indicates its inherent structure.

Brother quit being truculent
and regardless of fact and/or or law, just simply answer the three questions

None of my words shows here i exhibit the phrase you are trying ti robbed me with. I want us to discuss the nitty gritty of the the concent you used up there. Answering your question isn't a solution to the problem. You know. But understanding the flaws that comes with your question. In a valid legal sense"" a marriage is a contract between two consented aduilts.(i.e) man and woman. Not man and man or woman and woman. Until that definition change. And gves room to other option which is not limited to gay/lesbianism alone. Or else the definition we be doing partiality. .

What are you on about?
Consent, especially, the two adults' consent, in the questions, is not at all complicated

when it is same sex, it become more complicated. The western nation that adopts it are aware, and that is the logic in making it a much more of ceremony marriage instead of a legitimate marriage that comes with benefit. It is a way of telling you to go ahead but don't ask for benefits. It is a private affairs .

The two consenting adults, mutually, permit the way they both behave towards each other in the faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and is not harmful to an object or neighbour

As i said, what people do in their bedroom is not my business so far it is not affecting public and enviromental affairs.

budaatum:


Abba vaxx! You posted Jackie Chan's daughter wearing white kissing the woman she was going to marry, and now it is MuttleyLaff who should provide evidence that they agreed and that forever and ever, the court would agree too!

Na wa o!

it is not about the certificate and the white dreess. It is about if Nigeria should adopt it, and for us to agree on that. We need to discuss the nitty gritty of the topic beyond Jackie chan daughter same marriage certificate that was issued in Canada. Remember if Jackie daughter and her lesbian partner naturalised as a nigeria today, that certificate will not be recognised.

vaxx:
it is not about the certificate and the white dreess. It is about if Nigeria should adopt it, and for us to agree on that. We need to discuss the nitty gritty of the topic beyond Jackie chan daughter same marriage certificate that was issued in Canada. Remember if Jackie daughter and her lesbian partner naturalised as a nigeria today, that certificate will not be recognised.

Again, I reiterate, patience is the secret

MuttleyLaff:
Again, I reiterate, patience is the secret

And i said rational decision that is based on fact should be the key. We can't be intellectually dishonest like our western brethren.

vaxx:
And i said rational decision that is based on fact should be the key.

What is irrational decision in this kind of marriage?

vaxx:
We can't be intellectually dishonest like our western brethren.

1/ How, when and where have the western brethren and sisters being intellectually dishonest?
2/ What are the western brethren and sisters intellectualy dishonest of?

vaxx:
it is not about the certificate and the white dreess. It is about if Nigeria should adopt it, and for us to agree on that. We need to discuss the nitty gritty of the topic beyond Jackie chan daughter same marriage certificate that was issued in Canada. Remember if Jackie daughter and her lesbian partner naturalised as a nigeria today, that certificate will not be recognised.

If I go to Nigeria today and marry my same gender (or sex) partner and post a picture on here, the only position you can take is that of disgust, if you wish. I would not need your consent, and since my marriage would be illegal, I would not ask for the courts either, still my partner and I woukd be Mrs and Mrs buda, and you can stick up your nose as much as you wish.

Muttley asked you numerous questions but in fashion with the thread, you've danced around without answering one and in your normal way even gone as far as claiming his questions are wrong without an explanation. I'm just delighted that you did it in this thread since it's the same rigid attitude of disregarding opposing views that you've stuck to from the first post in this thread.

Thankfully, muttley said.

MuttleyLaff:
Again, I reiterate, patience is the secret.

That's how this battle was won in once equally backward on the issue UK, USA, Germany etc, and how it would be won in Nigeria, once you all get your noses out of people's private business and mind your own.

budaatum:


Muttley asked you numerous questions but in fashion with the thread, you've danced around without answering one and in your normal way even gone as far as claiming his questions are wrong without an explanation. I'm just delighted that you did it in this thread since it's the same rigid attitude of disregarding opposing views that you've stuck to from the first post in

This will really mean you are not reading my response, You just wish to drive the porcelain bus.

I will obliged you not to start looking for the speck in vaxx eye, rather focus your attention in removing the Planck you have within budaatum eye.

So far, i have enjoy peaceful and mature interaction with muttley


Safe.

Can you honestly claim, i haven't so far answer your question from my response?

MuttleyLaff:
What is irrational decision in this kind of marriage?

same sex marriage is not traditional, it is modification that started gaining new ground 15 years ago. And hence needs to reflect in marriage definition and its scope. It shouldn't just be about men and men, or women to women. every other area of equality must be touched and accepted. Since the foundation is based on concent.

1 How, when and where have the western brethren and sisters being intellectually dishonest?

if you have carefully read my response, i have answer this question. Pls do once again.

2 What are the western brethren and sisters intellectualy dishonest of?

just as i said , this question was posted by me and answer by me. To do justice to it. is to read my answer and see if it is corresponding.