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Re: Islam and Racism by VonScott(m): 5:14pm On Nov 30, 2018
I think we can all agree that It is one thing for it to be written in a book, it is another thing for people to accept it.

Arab-Black racism is a old as the fall of Egypt itself.

To be black and a muslim, to me, is a slap on your BLACK ancestors face.

We all know about the history of the Saharan slave trade so no need to quote anyone or book. The result of their 'scholarly' writings and 'holy' manuscripts is obvious to anyone with two eyes.

Ever since the Arabs began their racist, murderous crusades on egyptians in the name of jihads (killing african men, raping the women and kidnapping as sex slaves), a systematic campaign of endless invasion and genetic cleansing spanning millennia has created variety of mongrels across the african lanscape today. From the berbers, mauritania (moors), ethiopia, sudan, somalia, tuaregs, fulani all claiming superiority to the other based on their closeness to their Arab progenitor.... and all working together (except ethiopia) to bring Allahs Kingdom throughout Africa.

Btw, just to let you know it wasn't only Africa this happened, the massive global campaign of imperialism was also carried out by (Aryan) Hindus on the Indian subcontinent, Australia and on latin american natives
(Don't you just love these modern day jingoists that say Africa is a very diverse peoples of all colors and races)

The Arab system allowed their mongrel offspring higher status if they claimed to be solely of Arab descent. Thus officially sanctioning a MENTAL GENOCIDE for their maternal lineage and passing further their racist ideologies to them in a mandate to carry out the Jihad further to people they saw as pagans (BLACKS), seeing themselves now as arabs. We see the effect today in Nigeria!

It might interest you to know that the prefix 'Abdul' from the word 'Abd' means slave in the Middle East. Today, this term has been reserved almost exclusively for BLACK people. Arabs hardly bear names like abdul-this, abdul-that...It means slave of. Yet, Black african muslims especially wear this name like a thing of pride. It is one thing to have been a slave in arabia and bear those names but how can a FREE-BORN shackle himself by calling himself Abdul? Mentally and subliminally placing himself under an arab. In the US, can you imagine my favourite BB player Kobe Bryant bearing Kobe Abdul-Bryant (in real parlance) to tell the whole world that his ancestor was the slave of a white man called Bryant?

Of a truth, the western conquest of the entire continent put a stop to the brutal spread of Islam and their assault on black people. Today, they (arabs) seethe in anger because they thought by now they would have had the entire continent of Africa zinging their heads to Allah. Some events in recent past like Fall of Ghaddafi, Buhari's heading of ECOWAS, Libyan Herdsmen Attacks, ISWAP/Bokoharam might not be unconnected. All of a sudden Morocco, Mauritania and Tunisia want to be part of ECOWAS while still maintaining their Arab Maghreb Union. I once read where a senegalese traveller wrote that the Moroccans don't even believe a black person can be muslim (maybe in the real sense) even though they (blacks) practised the teachings in a more pure form or something like that. Utter nonsense! My Malian friend in the wake of Movement of AZAWAD, told me about the Tuaregs. They don't want to serve under a 'black' government yet, they won't be recognized by the Algerian Government who consider them as sh1t caste... lol. The French colonists wouldn't give them their country either because it would only be desert! He said in a Tuareg family, perhaps the mothers first son is black, despite his position as first son, he will be a slave to the rest of her arab sons. They will be using him to fetch water and other domestic chores.


#Inyuzedosvoice (where is that guy)

WE GIVE UP!!!!


I will leave now (or get banned) grin, but not before I give you some tidbits.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/03/opinion/kamel-daoud-black-in-algeria-then-youd-better-be-muslim.html?_r=0

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/31/african-diplomats-protest-after-egyptian-allegedly-calls-them-dogs-and-slaves/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2a5c9fda13e8

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2016/03/tunisia-dirty-secret-160316153815980.html

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/tunisia-grapples-racism-violence-against-sub-saharans-705580668

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Re: Islam and Racism by AbuTwins: 7:45am On Dec 04, 2018
VonScott:
I think we can all agree that It is one thing for it to be written in a book, it is another thing for people to accept it.

Arab-Black racism is a old as the fall of Egypt itself.

To be black and a muslim, to me, is a slap on your BLACK ancestors face.

We all know about the history of the Saharan slave trade so no need to quote anyone or book. The result of their 'scholarly' writings and 'holy' manuscripts is obvious to anyone with two eyes.

Ever since the Arabs began their racist, murderous crusades on egyptians in the name of jihads (killing african men, raping the women and kidnapping as sex slaves), a systematic campaign of endless invasion and genetic cleansing spanning millennia has created variety of mongrels across the african lanscape today. From the berbers, mauritania (moors), ethiopia, sudan, somalia, tuaregs, fulani all claiming superiority to the other based on their closeness to their Arab progenitor.... and all working together (except ethiopia) to bring Allahs Kingdom throughout Africa.

Btw, just to let you know it wasn't only Africa this happened, the massive global campaign of imperialism was also carried out by (Aryan) Hindus on the Indian subcontinent, Australia and on latin american natives
(Don't you just love these modern day jingoists that say Africa is a very diverse peoples of all colors and races)

The Arab system allowed their mongrel offspring higher status if they claimed to be solely of Arab descent. Thus officially sanctioning a MENTAL GENOCIDE for their maternal lineage and passing further their racist ideologies to them in a mandate to carry out the Jihad further to people they saw as pagans (BLACKS), seeing themselves now as arabs. We see the effect today in Nigeria!

It might interest you to know that the prefix 'Abdul' from the word 'Abd' means slave in the Middle East. Today, this term has been reserved almost exclusively for BLACK people. Arabs hardly bear names like abdul-this, abdul-that...It means slave of. Yet, Black african muslims especially wear this name like a thing of pride. It is one thing to have been a slave in arabia and bear those names but how can a FREE-BORN shackle himself by calling himself Abdul? Mentally and subliminally placing himself under an arab. In the US, can you imagine my favourite BB player Kobe Bryant bearing Kobe Abdul-Bryant (in real parlance) to tell the whole world that his ancestor was the slave of a white man called Bryant?

Of a truth, the western conquest of the entire continent put a stop to the brutal spread of Islam and their assault on black people. Today, they (arabs) seethe in anger because they thought by now they would have had the entire continent of Africa zinging their heads to Allah. Some events in recent past like Fall of Ghaddafi, Buhari's heading of ECOWAS, Libyan Herdsmen Attacks, ISWAP/Bokoharam might not be unconnected. All of a sudden Morocco, Mauritania and Tunisia want to be part of ECOWAS while still maintaining their Arab Maghreb Union. I once read where a senegalese traveller wrote that the Moroccans don't even believe a black person can be muslim (maybe in the real sense) even though they (blacks) practised the teachings in a more pure form or something like that. Utter nonsense! My Malian friend in the wake of Movement of AZAWAD, told me about the Tuaregs. They don't want to serve under a 'black' government yet, they won't be recognized by the Algerian Government who consider them as sh1t caste... lol. The French colonists wouldn't give them their country either because it would only be desert! He said in a Tuareg family, perhaps the mothers first son is black, despite his position as first son, he will be a slave to the rest of her arab sons. They will be using him to fetch water and other domestic chores.


#Inyuzedosvoice (where is that guy)

WE GIVE UP!!!!


I will leave now (or get banned) grin, but not before I give you some tidbits.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/03/opinion/kamel-daoud-black-in-algeria-then-youd-better-be-muslim.html?_r=0

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/31/african-diplomats-protest-after-egyptian-allegedly-calls-them-dogs-and-slaves/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2a5c9fda13e8

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2016/03/tunisia-dirty-secret-160316153815980.html

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/tunisia-grapples-racism-violence-against-sub-saharans-705580668

Your write up is biased! It just summarised the thinking of a prejudised non-muslim mind towards Islam! You should have included the "Crusades"! What about the European slave trade? What of the colonial slave trade? What of those that brought Christianity with Education i.e. the missionaries? Why do we have Saturdays & Sundays as "holidays" and Friday is not included? Why does Schools have Rectors and Chancellors which are names derived from Church? And the list goes on.

I have given you the textual prove from Islamic books and this does not mean some will go above board or even off board!
Re: Islam and Racism by Alsayer: 9:29am On Dec 09, 2018
I find this thread ironic because Makka, the central stronghold of Islam, is one of the most racist cities in the world.

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Re: Islam and Racism by true2god: 4:17pm On Dec 11, 2018
ollah2:
Africans started the slave trade in Africa and practiced it for thousands of years..

Stop revising history; it was never on record that blacks, before they had contacts with the Arab-Muslims or the European Christians, traded fellow blacks as slaves. Stop reading the wrong books.

Slave trade, or black enslavement, is well documented and recorded in the hadith of Bukhari, the hadith of imam muslim and the history of Islam by Al-tabari. Let us be sincere and stop being emotional about what had really affected black people negatively. The christian Europe also enslaved blacks in an industrial scale.

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Re: Islam and Racism by AbuTwins: 8:17am On Dec 21, 2018
true2god:
Stop revising history; it was never on record that blacks, before they had contacts with the Arab-Muslims or the European Christians, traded fellow blacks as slaves. Stop reading the wrong books.

Slave trade, or black enslavement, is well documented and recorded in the hadith of Bukhari, the hadith of imam muslim and the history of Islam by Al-tabari. Let us be sincere and stop being emotional about what had really affected black people negatively. The christian Europe also enslaved blacks in an industrial scale.


The question now is does Islam support racism? And this has been answered!
Re: Islam and Racism by true2god: 9:25am On Dec 22, 2018
AbuTwins:



The question now is does Islam support racism? And this has been answered!
You failed, or willfully, refused to point to the fact that your Islamic source documents promoted slavery, especially against black people, and your prophet owned, bought and sold slaves. You have to deal with this fact bro!

Islam supported racism 100%. What is racism?

Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or
ethnicity.

The Arabs believe that they are superior to all other races, the same way the Jews believed that they are 'God's chosen' people and other culture and races are the gentiles. Islam, whether you like it or not, is an Arab imperialist ideology which must be imposed on other nations (the kafirs, like the gentiles to the Jews) either by peaceful means or coercion.

You can't separate a supremacist ideology associated with certain people and culture from their race. Religion in general are geo-specific and appeal to the culture where that religion is 'born'. When that religion, like Islam, mandate existing cultures to confirm to Arabian cultures, whims and caprices, it makes the religion (and the people that practice it) a racist religion.

When a foreign religion asked you to drop your traditional language, mode of dressing, naming system, greeting system, language of prayer, etc, and become more arabized (Islam in this case), that means that the religion has a racial undertone.

You can't go to your mosque, and why praying, say: 'Olorun tobi, Mohammadu ojise olorun ni see oooo ooooo'. You must say it in Arabic or else your 'prayers' won't be accepted by the racist Arab God Allah.

If this is not racism in disguise, what is it?

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Re: Islam and Racism by Demmzy15(m): 2:44pm On Dec 22, 2018
I've been noticing the rubbish you've been typing since, just continue. I decided to reply you today because it's weekend.

true2god:
You failed, or willfully, refused to point to the fact that your Islamic source documents promoted slavery, especially against black people, and your prophet owned, bought and sold slaves. You have to deal with this fact bro!

Slavery existed in virtually every community in the world - we've had causes of blacks enslaving blacks, whites enslaving whites, blacks enslaving whites, whites enslaving blacks, etc. Slavery existed before Prophet Muhammad was born and he provided solutions to it, this is something your Jesus never did. Islam provided solutions on how slavery should be done and how to take people out of it. Jesus never provided a solution (I challenge you to provided us with it if he did) while Prophet Muhammad did. Freeing of slaves in Islam is a virtuous act in Islam.

Islam supported racism 100%. What is racism?

Can you provide us with evidences? Because, we know ipob criminals like you are known to pour out statistics from the back of their flat heads, we're not dummies. And I hope you can also defend your bible when the time comes!

Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or
ethnicity.

Okay

The Arabs believe that they are superior to all other races, the same way the Jews believed that they are 'God's chosen' people and other culture and races are the gentiles. Islam, whether you like it or not, is an Arab imperialist ideology which must be imposed on other nations (the kafirs, like the gentiles to the Jews) either by peaceful means or coercion.

You're very dull and stupeed, so if an Arab believes his, then Islam confirms it? You just like saying rubbish thinking you're smart but you're super dull! So Christianity is what? Was it a black man that promulgated Christianity? And you're so dull to know we have Arabs who are dark skin, guy you're a dummy. Here's what Islam says about racism:

The Prophet ṣallallāhu ͑alayhī wa-sallam said: "Indeed there is no excellence for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor a non-Arab over an Arab, nor a White person over a Black one, nor a Black person over a White one, except through piety"

"O' mankind, We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another. Indeed the most honourable of you in the sight of Allāh is the one with the most piety"
(Sūrah al-Hujjarat, 49:13)

If anyone is racist, it's those that brought Christianity to you. They enslaved blacks based on their color, they wiped out the Incans and Indians based on racism and they backed it up with bible.

You can't separate a supremacist ideology associated with certain people and culture from their race. Religion in general are geo-specific and appeal to the culture where that religion is 'born'. When that religion, like Islam, mandate existing cultures to confirm to Arabian cultures, whims and caprices, it makes the religion (and the people that practice it) a racist religion.

Looks like you're beginning to think like an atheist? Lol, this is what your twisted mind is telling, Islam unlike other religion is the final solution for mankind. This is evident from the fact that the Quran addresses Mankind and not just the Arab communities, the Quran went further to show us examples of older communities that existed and brings out lessons for us to gain from. All those previous people were from different communities, races, cultures, etc. So whatever definition you've given up there suits other religion like Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrainism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc but not Islam.

When a foreign religion asked you to drop your traditional language, mode of dressing, naming system, greeting system, language of prayer, etc, and become more arabized (Islam in this case), that means that the religion has a racial undertone.

Another reason I say you're stupid, the largest Muslim country in the world is Indonesia and they neither speak Arabic nor adopted the Arabic culture. Another large Muslim country is Indian and Pakistan and they aren't Arabs, and these people have been Muslims of centuries. The Chinese Muslims accepted Islam during times of Prophet Muhammad and they didn't adopt Arabic culture, your hate for Islam and unwavering love for Apku is making your brain cells faulty.

You can't go to your mosque, and why praying, say: 'Olorun tobi, Mohammadu ojise olorun ni see oooo ooooo'. You must say it in Arabic or else your 'prayers' won't be accepted by the racist Arab God Allah.

It's obvious you don't listen to sermons in Yoruba mosques because if you did, you would have heard it. Even Igbo Muslims preach in Igbo language, they praise Allaah and his apostle in Igbo language. I've heard a sermon by Uztaz Isa Okonkwo and he kept praising God by calling him "Chineke". You're a pathetic loser Wallahi

If this is not racism in disguise, what is it?

You're losing your mind slowly but you not, I keep telling you that if you end your life with the way you're going, it's going to be bad for you. Just continue!

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Re: Islam and Racism by AbuTwins: 5:20pm On Dec 22, 2018
true2god:
You failed, or willfully, refused to point to the fact that your Islamic source documents promoted slavery, especially against black people, and your prophet owned, bought and sold slaves. You have to deal with this fact bro!

Islam supported racism 100%. What is racism?

Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or
ethnicity.

The Arabs believe that they are superior to all other races, the same way the Jews believed that they are 'God's chosen' people and other culture and races are the gentiles. Islam, whether you like it or not, is an Arab imperialist ideology which must be imposed on other nations (the kafirs, like the gentiles to the Jews) either by peaceful means or coercion.

You can't separate a supremacist ideology associated with certain people and culture from their race. Religion in general are geo-specific and appeal to the culture where that religion is 'born'. When that religion, like Islam, mandate existing cultures to confirm to Arabian cultures, whims and caprices, it makes the religion (and the people that practice it) a racist religion.

When a foreign religion asked you to drop your traditional language, mode of dressing, naming system, greeting system, language of prayer, etc, and become more arabized (Islam in this case), that means that the religion has a racial undertone.

You can't go to your mosque, and why praying, say: 'Olorun tobi, Mohammadu ojise olorun ni see oooo ooooo'. You must say it in Arabic or else your 'prayers' won't be accepted by the racist Arab God Allah.

If this is not racism in disguise, what is it?

Every Religion has always came in the language of it's messenger/Prophet. Islam came to Jesus in his language which was not arabic. So mere saying that Islam is a racist religion is balderdash!

You would well agree that the first man spoke only one language! And then the languages increased later! And what is recited in a Muslim Prayer is similar everywhere in the world! And it eradicates errors due to translations!

Evidences in our books suggests contrary to your opinion.

At-Tirmidhi (3270) narrated from Ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) addressed the people on the day of the conquest of Makkah and said: “O people, verily Allah has taken away from you the arrogance of Jaahiliyyah and its pride in forefathers. People are of two types: righteous and pious, who are dear to Allah, and doomed evildoers, who are insignificant before Allah. People are the descendants of Adam, and Allah created Adam from dust. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted’ [al-Hujuraat 49:13].”

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh at-Tirmidhi.

Ahmad (22978) narrated from Abu Nadrah: Someone who heard the khutbah of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on the second of the days of at-Tashreeq told me that he said: “O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?” They said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) has conveyed the message.

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Saheehah (6/199).

Al-Bukhaari (4898) and Muslim (2546) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: We were sitting with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and Soorat al-Jumu‘ah was revealed to him: “And [He has sent the Prophet to] others of them who have not yet joined them” [al-Jumu‘ah 62:3]. I said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allah? He did not answer him until he had asked three times. Among us was Salmaan al-Faarisi and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) put his hand on Salmaan and said: “If faith were at the Pleiades, some men from among these people [the Persians] would get it.”

Al-Bukhaari (5990) and Muslim (215) narrated that ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) say, out loud and not secretly: “The family of Abu Fulaan (the Father of So and so) are not my friends. My friends are Allah and the righteous believers.”

So our texts go against racism and Arabic is a peculiar Semitic language which promotes uniformity!
Re: Islam and Racism by true2god: 11:32pm On Dec 22, 2018
Demmzy15:
I've been noticing the rubbish you've been typing since, just continue. I decided to reply you today because it's weekend.



Slavery existed in virtually every community in the world - we've had causes of blacks enslaving blacks, whites enslaving whites, blacks enslaving whites, whites enslaving blacks, etc. Slavery existed before Prophet Muhammad was born and he provided solutions to it, this is something your Jesus never did. Islam provided solutions on how slavery should be done and how to take people out of it. Jesus never provided a solution (I challenge you to provided us with it if he did) while Prophet Muhammad did. Freeing of slaves in Islam is a virtuous act in Islam.



Can you provide us with evidences? Because, we know ipob criminals like you are known to pour out statistics from the back of their flat heads, we're not dummies. And I hope you can also defend your bible when the time comes!



Okay



You're very dull and stupeed, so if an Arab believes his, then Islam confirms it? You just like saying rubbish thinking you're smart but you're super dull! So Christianity is what? Was it a black man that promulgated Christianity? And you're so dull to know we have Arabs who are dark skin, guy you're a dummy. Here's what Islam says about racism:

The Prophet ṣallallāhu ͑alayhī wa-sallam said: "Indeed there is no excellence for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor a non-Arab over an Arab, nor a White person over a Black one, nor a Black person over a White one, except through piety"

"O' mankind, We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another. Indeed the most honourable of you in the sight of Allāh is the one with the most piety"
(Sūrah al-Hujjarat, 49:13)

If anyone is racist, it's those that brought Christianity to you. They enslaved blacks based on their color, they wiped out the Incans and Indians based on racism and they backed it up with bible.



Looks like you're beginning to think like an atheist? Lol, this is what your twisted mind is telling, Islam unlike other religion is the final solution for mankind. This is evident from the fact that the Quran addresses Mankind and not just the Arab communities, the Quran went further to show us examples of older communities that existed and brings out lessons for us to gain from. All those previous people were from different communities, races, cultures, etc. So whatever definition you've given up there suits other religion like Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrainism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc but not Islam.



Another reason I say you're stupid, the largest Muslim country in the world is Indonesia and they neither speak Arabic nor adopted the Arabic culture. Another large Muslim country is Indian and Pakistan and they aren't Arabs, and these people have been Muslims of centuries. The Chinese Muslims accepted Islam during times of Prophet Muhammad and they didn't adopt Arabic culture, your hate for Islam and unwavering love for Apku is making your brain cells faulty.



It's obvious you don't listen to sermons in Yoruba mosques because if you did, you would have heard it. Even Igbo Muslims preach in Igbo language, they praise Allaah and his apostle in Igbo language. I've heard a sermon by Uztaz Isa Okonkwo and he kept praising God by calling him "Chineke". You're a pathetic loser Wallahi



You're losing your mind slowly but you not, I keep telling you that if you end your life with the way you're going, it's going to be bad for you. Just continue!
I can see the anger and bitterness in your response. The truth can be hurtful at times; I understand your pain.

You fully agree with me that your prophet was a slave merchant who owned, bought and sold slaves during his days. You however never gave me any proof that he abolished slavery because he never did, neither his sahabas. I will post some hadith where your prophet returned a freed slave back to slavery.

Calling me an IPOB criminal shows that you are not matured for a civil conversation; you can actually kill for your fake prophet and his religion. The Arabs have really brainwashed you to a point that you have lost all sense of civility and critical reasoning.

You also said we have black Arabs; you are gradually getting your senses back. Prior Islam, nothing like black Arabs; blacks have nothing to do with Semitic race before Islam. Black arabism is a product of Islamic Arab slavery and rape of black women, most of whom are sex slaves. Islam sanctioned sex slavery 100% and black women were often victim of this evil policy by Allah and his messenger against the kafir. Black men are however castrated and used as chattel by the khalifa and rich Arabs men. Some are enlisted into the army as well. It is not an honour to be a black Arab but a reminder of Arab subjugation of black people.

And FYI, the north Africans, before Islam, were not Arabs. The barbaric Arab invaded north Africa, under the authority and leadership of Umar ibn kathab, destroyed the culture of the North Africans, the Nubians, the Berbers and the Copts, enslaved and imposed Islam on them. At the height of their success, they invaded Spain and occupied it for over 300years before the Muslims were destroyed and expelled from Spain and Portugal. Read your bloody history mhen!

You said Islam is the final solution to mankind, but I can tell you, Islam is the current rheumatism of mankind. Anything, any civilization, any culture, any society, any people and anywhere Islam touches, it brings destruction and backwardness upon it. Tell me the current contribution of Islam to mankind except tears, blood and sorrow and the oppression of minorities, even in Indonesia.

You hypocrites always use Indonesia to give Islam a public image but failed to acknowledge the atrocities of Arab-muslims in India. India is the greatest victim of Arab-islamic expansion and imperialism and over 100 million Hindus died as a result of over 1000 years of Islamic drive into the indian subcontinent. The partitioning of India into India and Pakistan is the testimony of the destructive force of Islam.

I lived among the Yorubas and I speak Yoruba very very fluently; I never heard any Yorubaman doing solat in his mother tongue, never. I am not talking about their 'wasi', I mean their five daily prayer is done, and must be done, in Arabic or else the racist Islamic God will not answer such Prayer. Keep hiding your head, like an ostrich, who fail to see the negative effect of Islam on your psyche.

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Re: Islam and Racism by Demmzy15(m): 8:02pm On Dec 23, 2018
Double post
Re: Islam and Racism by Demmzy15(m): 8:07pm On Dec 23, 2018
true2god:
I can see the anger and bitterness in your response. The truth can be hurtful at times; I understand your pain.

Believe me, it pains me that you refuse to have sense. Anyways, let's see the rubbish you'll pour out here.

You fully agree with me that your prophet was a slave merchant who owned, bought and sold slaves during his days. You however never gave me any proof that he abolished slavery because he never did, neither his sahabas. I will post some hadith where your prophet returned a freed slave back to slavery.

It's obvious you didn't read my replies fully, where did I state he abolished Slavery? Can you show me? Islam provided solutions to slavery and how it should be practiced, we ask you, how did Jesus or Christianity provide solutions?

Calling me an IPOB criminal shows that you are not matured for a civil conversation; you can actually kill for your fake prophet and his religion. The Arabs have really brainwashed you to a point that you have lost all sense of civility and critical reasoning.

You lack cognitive thinking, you are known to hate Igbo Muslims and deny they don't exist. This is a trait of an ipob criminal who is a jew buttlicker and an Islamophobe. So I'm not wrong in my accusation.

You also said we have black Arabs; you are gradually getting your senses back. Prior Islam, nothing like black Arabs; blacks have nothing to do with Semitic race before Islam. Black arabism is a product of Islamic Arab slavery and rape of black women, most of whom are sex slaves.

If fair and white Arabs raped Black women, why on earth would there still be black Arabs? Wouldn't they be fairer than average blacks? This is false assertion of yours further shows you have no knowledge and don't know what an Arab means. An Arab can be by blood or just by adoption of the Arab culture. Nothing about raping, the Sudanese people were black Nubians but when they accepted Islam and embraced the Arab culture, they became Arabs. Similarly, as a Nigerian Yoruba man, if I understand the Arabic language correctly in addition to the Quran and sunnah, I become an Arab. Prior to Islam, blacks existed in the Arab peninsula, some were slaves others were conquerors, others were merchants and they all blended with population. In Yemen for instance, the Ethiopians once conquered the country and ruled it before Muslims came that's why you find many of them to be of dark skin. You need to study, you're too dull and it's paining me.

Islam sanctioned sex slavery 100% and black women were often victim of this evil policy by Allah and his messenger against the kafir. Black men are however castrated and used as chattel by the khalifa and rich Arabs men. Some are enlisted into the army as well. It is not an honour to be a black Arab but a reminder of Arab subjugation of black people.

This is what happens when you watch to many Hollywood bollocks, and I noticed you're yet to refute the verses I posted. Please do and stop spewing rubbish.

And FYI, the north Africans, before Islam, were not Arabs. The barbaric Arab invaded north Africa, under the authority and leadership of Umar ibn kathab, destroyed the culture of the North Africans, the Nubians, the Berbers and the Copts, enslaved and imposed Islam on them. At the height of their success, they invaded Spain and occupied it for over 300years before the Muslims were destroyed and expelled from Spain and Portugal. Read your bloody history mhen!

Animal, some of the nations you mentioned were actually Christians, do you want me to start posting how they were persecuted and killed by Byzantines? Do you want me to show you how the Copts were killed and persecuted by Christians, to the extent they welcomed Muslims as liberators? You've not mentioned that there are over 9 million Copts in Egypt and up to a million in Sudan? You also didn't mention that it was the Spanish people that infact invited Muslims into the country to drive out the Visgoths? You also forgot to mention that many of the local Christians actually fought alongside Muslims against the common enemy. You're a pathetic loser mean and I pity your damned life.

You said Islam is the final solution to mankind, but I can tell you, Islam is the current rheumatism of mankind. Anything, any civilization, any culture, any society, any people and anywhere Islam touches, it brings destruction and backwardness upon it. Tell me the current contribution of Islam to mankind except tears, blood and sorrow and the oppression of minorities, even in Indonesia.

Lol grin The Islamic Golden Age would disagree with you, whatever you see today had origins from Muslims. Yes, Muslims depended on the works of early Greeks but before Muslims, Christians controlled such libraries and burnt and destroyed many of them. Muslims on the other hand translated it and worked on it and gave it out to the world, this why the Muslim world led in medicine, engineering, science, social science and various other disciplines. Without Muslims, we would surely have been in the dark ages or we wouldn't be as advanced as we're today. Now you mentioned what's Islam current contribution, I also pose the same question back to you, what's the the current contribution of Christianity?

It's surprising you claim Islam oppresses minorities, it's the other way round. Christians persecute other Christians. Jews would have probably gone extinct if not for Muslims, Coptic Christians would have gone extinct too. Nestorian Christians went extinct thanks to other Christians, we can't forget the 31 year war between Catholics and Protestants that wiped out entire families, villages, towns killing 8 million people. We also can't forget how Christians killed millions in the Americas, these are crimes you can't defend or whitewash. The blood and sufferings Christianity brought is just too much, even during the crusades, you killed and persecuted other Christians and Jews. The Jews were infact the first victims of the crusades before Muslims, when you faced Muslims, you killed thousands and eat their bodies. This is what is preached in the bible, eat the body of your enemies, angry

You hypocrites always use Indonesia to give Islam a public image but failed to acknowledge the atrocities of Arab-muslims in India. India is the greatest victim of Arab-islamic expansion and imperialism and over 100 million Hindus died as a result of over 1000 years of Islamic drive into the indian subcontinent. The partitioning of India into India and Pakistan is the testimony of the destructive force of Islam.

You keep fucccking up every time, the Arabs had nothing to do with the atrocities in Indian. grin and thanks anyway for admitting that Indonesia was bloodless, I could give you other examples as well. Now back to India, those responsible were Indians themselves, Turko-Mongol rulers, the Arabs weren't involved at all. A notorious ruler that killed millions of Muslims and Hindus was Tamerlane or Timur, he wasn't an Arab but a Turko-Mongol, all his killings wasn't for Islam as he wanted to revive the Mongol empire as Genghis khan did, so in the process he killed virtually everyone that stood against him including Muslims. While he did all this, the Christian west supported him and he was good to them, so you can see you have blood on your hands too. cheesy

Another example is Alauddin Khiliji, this was a ruthless man that killed his uncle to become the ruler. He didn't spare anyone including Muslims and Hindus. And there are still many others, infact the conflicts then almost had nothing to do with Islam as they fought for various reasons. There are cases where even Hindus perpetrated the killings on themselves and the other way round, so you need to read about the origins of these conflicts and stop opening your garbage filled mouth.

I lived among the Yorubas and I speak Yoruba very very fluently; I never heard any Yorubaman doing solat in his mother tongue, never. I am not talking about their 'wasi', I mean their five daily prayer is done, and must be done, in Arabic or else the racist Islamic God will not answer such Prayer. Keep hiding your head, like an ostrich, who fail to see the negative effect of Islam on your psyche.

Why should we pray in Yoruba when there's a unifying language? With my knowledge of Arabic, I can pray in all the mosques comfortably on these earth but you can't. I can remember watching a TB Joshua program about his mass in Korea, can you believe they had to translate all he said to Korean for the people to understand? So you should be the one trying to get a unifying language to prevent this mess, and please stop bringing up illogical issues like this. Arabic has come to stay whether you like it or not, it'll be around when you're rotting in your grave so deal with it.

And if there's wasi in Yoruba, why are you now opening your eyes? sad

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Re: Islam and Racism by true2god: 12:13am On Dec 24, 2018
Demmzy15:


Believe me, it pains me that you refuse to have sense. Anyways, let's see the rubbish you'll pour out here.



It's obvious you didn't read my replies fully, where did I state he abolished Slavery? Can you show me? Islam provided solutions to slavery and how it should be practiced, we ask you, how did Jesus or Christianity provide solutions?



You lack cognitive thinking, you are known to hate Igbo Muslims and deny they don't exist. This is a trait of an ipob criminal who is a jew buttlicker and an Islamophobe. So I'm not wrong in my accusation.



If fair and white Arabs raped Black women, why on earth would there still be black Arabs? Wouldn't they be fairer than average blacks? This is false assertion of yours further shows you have no knowledge and don't know what an Arab means. An Arab can be by blood or just by adoption of the Arab culture. Nothing about raping, the Sudanese people were black Nubians but when they accepted Islam and embraced the Arab culture, they became Arabs. Similarly, as a Nigerian Yoruba man, if I understand the Arabic language correctly in addition to the Quran and sunnah, I become an Arab. Prior to Islam, blacks existed in the Arab peninsula, some were slaves others were conquerors, others were merchants and they all blended with population. In Yemen for instance, the Ethiopians once conquered the country and ruled it before Muslims came that's why you find many of them to be of dark skin. You need to study, you're too dull and it's paining me.



This is what happens when you watch to many Hollywood bollocks, and I noticed you're yet to refute the verses I posted. Please do and stop spewing rubbish.



Animal, some of the nations you mentioned were actually Christians, do you want me to start posting how they were persecuted and killed by Byzantines? Do you want me to show you how the Copts were killed and persecuted by Christians, to the extent they welcomed Muslims as liberators? You've not mentioned that there are over 9 million Copts in Egypt and up to a million in Sudan? You also didn't mention that it was the Spanish people that infact invited Muslims into the country to drive out the Visgoths? You also forgot to mention that many of the local Christians actually fought alongside Muslims against the common enemy. You're a pathetic loser mean and I pity your damned life.



Lol grin The Islamic Golden Age would disagree with you, whatever you see today had origins from Muslims. Yes, Muslims depended on the works of early Greeks but before Muslims, Christians controlled such libraries and burnt and destroyed many of them. Muslims on the other hand translated it and worked on it and gave it out to the world, this why the Muslim world led in medicine, engineering, science, social science and various other disciplines. Without Muslims, we would surely have been in the dark ages or we wouldn't be as advanced as we're today. Now you mentioned what's Islam current contribution, I also pose the same question back to you, what's the the current contribution of Christianity?

It's surprising you claim Islam oppresses minorities, it's the other way round. Christians persecute other Christians. Jews would have probably gone extinct if not for Muslims, Coptic Christians would have gone extinct too. Nestorian Christians went extinct thanks to other Christians, we can't forget the 31 year war between Catholics and Protestants that wiped out entire families, villages, towns killing 8 million people. We also can't forget how Christians killed millions in the Americas, these are crimes you can't defend or whitewash. The blood and sufferings Christianity brought is just too much, even during the crusades, you killed and persecuted other Christians and Jews. The Jews were infact the first victims of the crusades before Muslims, when you faced Muslims, you killed thousands and eat their bodies. This is what is preached in the bible, eat the body of your enemies, angry



You keep fucccking up every time, the Arabs had nothing to do with the atrocities in Indian. grin and thanks anyway for admitting that Indonesia was bloodless, I could give you other examples as well. Now back to India, those responsible were Indians themselves, Turko-Mongol rulers, the Arabs weren't involved at all. A notorious ruler that killed millions of Muslims and Hindus was Tamerlane or Timur, he wasn't an Arab but a Turko-Mongol, all his killings wasn't for Islam as he wanted to revive the Mongol empire as Genghis khan did, so in the process he killed virtually everyone that stood against him including Muslims. While he did all this, the Christian west supported him and he was good to them, so you can see you have blood on your hands too. cheesy

Another example is Alauddin Khiliji, this was a ruthless man that killed his uncle to become the ruler. He didn't spare anyone including Muslims and Hindus. And there are still many others, infact the conflicts then almost had nothing to do with Islam as they fought for various reasons. There are cases where even Hindus perpetrated the killings on themselves and the other way round, so you need to read about the origins of these conflicts and stop opening your garbage filled mouth.



Why should we pray in Yoruba when there's a unifying language? With my knowledge of Arabic, I can pray in all the mosques comfortably on these earth but you can't. I can remember watching a TB Joshua program about his mass in Korea, can you believe they had to translate all he said to Korean for the people to understand? So you should be the one trying to get a unifying language to prevent this mess, and please stop bringing up illogical issues like this. Arabic has come to stay whether you like it or not, it'll be around when you're rotting in your grave so deal with it.

And if there's wasi in Yoruba, why are you now opening your eyes? sad
Sorry bro, I understand your pain. I am not posting to make you happy but to tell you the ugly and painful truth about your fake and evil religion.

You said Mohammed provided solution to slavery but you failed to itemize how and where he provided the solution. The last time I checked, your prophet:

1. Exchanged 2 black slaves for 1 Arab slave.

Sunan an-Nasa'i Book 44 Hadith 4625

It was narrated that Jabir Sair:

"A slave came and gave his pledge to the Messenger of Allah to emigrate, and the Prophet did not realize that he was a slave. Then his master came looking for him. The Prophet said; 'Sell him to me.' So he bought him for two black slaves, then he did not accept until he had asked; 'Is he a slave?''

2. Returned a freed slave back to slavery.

3. Sanctioned/legitimized sexx slavery.

4. Sold slaves to buy horses and weapons for jihad against his enemies.

5. Displayed black slaves in the mosque in form of exhibition (sahih bukhari 2:15:103).

As I said earlier, calling me an IPOB criminal shows that you are not intellectually fit for public debate. You don't throw tantrum like a spoilt kid to attract dad's attention.

It takes 2 human to make a child. If white Arabs rape a black woman, the product of that evil union will be the mixture of the gene of both parents: the characteristics will be replicated on the offspring. This is simple biology! Northern Sudan is a perfect example of Arab Muslim atrocity against the black people. The people of Northern Sudan, some of who are mixed mixed bred offsprings of hundreds of years of Arab-muslim subjugation, have serious identity crisis. They are not accepted as Arabs (because they are not) and never wanted to fully associate with their black identity. Sudan is a lost case in the complete destruction of people's identity.

You have to get your brain examined if you think you can become an Arab by merely following their religion and culture. No matter how fluently you speak Arabic, how eloquently you recite the Quran and the number of hadith you know, that can NEVER change your racial identify. Arab is a race and not a nationality, hope you are OK.

I noticed you also attempted to deny sex slavery in Islam (Qur'an 4:24, etc. also in various hadith). It is well documented in your Islamic sources. Study the relationship between the Arab overlords and black women in the Islamic caliphate, 99% of black women were sex slaves to the Arabs. Even today in Saudi Arabia, black women are still viewed as not marriageable but OK as sex slaves.

North Africans were Christians before Umar ibn kathab ordered a military expedition and sacked the peaceful society of any form of human civility. Umar's legacy can be felt in the middle east and north Africa; tribal wars, political instability and poverty, except the Arab gulf states rich in oil and gas that are being exploited by the western powers.

You are a boldfaced liar. The Spanish invited the Muslims to come and rule them. Who on earth invites a foreign power to come and rule them? This only happened in the wrapped minds of some Muslim revisionists. Spain was invaded by the combination of the Arab and Turk Muslims, their societies ransacked and Islam imposed on them, with the jizya poll tax. After hundreds of years of Islamic subjugation in Spain, they were destroyed and forced back to their shitholes. The Muslims never recovered from this humiliation till date.

'The Islamic golden age' when Muslims were able to subjugate the kafir under Islamic rules. If you are not reading the wrong book you will understand the fact that the Greek, the Persian, the Egyptians and the Spaniards were great civilization before they fall under the control of the Ottoman empire. The Greek, before Islam, has a well documented civilization, were good in arts, maths, science, medicine and architecture. Islam built nothing in Greece under the Ottoman rule.

The Egyptians built one of the earliest civilization before Islam. The great pyramid of Egypt had been built when the Arabs were never known at all. The Egyptians had masters maths and architecture before Islamic invasion.

The Persians are the earliest civilization documenter. They built the first modern city known to man. Their achievement and glory has nothing to do with Islam.

The Spanish, under the Roman empire was also a great civilization before the Islamic barbarians came knocking at their door. The had developed some of the classical art and architecture known today.

All these civilization I listed were formally under the Ottoman empire hence under Islamic rule. These empire were unprepared for Islamic military and fell under the sword of Islam. Spain and Greece fought and got their freedom but Persia and Egypt couldn't. The effect of Islam could be felt in these places and you will agree with me that the two old civilizations that left the camp of Islam are doing far better than the camp of Islam. And all the nations that are currently doing well in science and technology never belonged to the camp of the 'Islamic golden age'. There growth were never stunted by the effect of Islam.

You said the Arabs has nothing to do with the atrocities in India. You only exposed your gross ignorance and islamically sanctioned lies. India, unlike other civilizations, is the greatest victim of Islamic invasion and destruction. If you make this claim where the India-hindus are, you will be putting your life at a risk. The Indians will never forget or forgive the Arabs for their atrocities, NEVER! Go and read a book by M A Khan, an Indian author, on Muslims' genocide in mother India.

Finally, you admitted, that for sake of uniformity, that all solat must be done in Arabic. If however you widen your critical thinking a little, you will discover that the Arabs that made this proposal in order to keep their language and culture superior to all others. If this is not a subtle racism what is it? While you see nothing wrong here, your subconscious mind had already submitted to Arab supremacy and your physical mind can do anything to defend this subservient nature.

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Re: Islam and Racism by Demmzy15(m): 8:27pm On Jan 01, 2019
How come I didn't see this reply?

true2god:
Sorry bro, I understand your pain. I am not posting to make you happy but to tell you the ugly and painful truth about your fake and evil religion.

Lol, if I may ask you, since all your exposing my religion and other blabbings how many have embraced Christianity?

You said Mohammed provided solution to slavery but you failed to itemize how and where he provided the solution. The last time I checked, your prophet:

1. Exchanged 2 black slaves for 1 Arab slave.

Sunan an-Nasa'i Book 44 Hadith 4625

Nowhere did it indicate the slave was Arab, stop pushing in your rubbish interpretations. The slave was freed because he became a Muslim, just as how Bilal who was a black was freed by Abu Bakr because he became Muslim. It was the custom of early Muslims to free other Muslims who are slaves.

2. Returned a freed slave back to slavery.

Leviticus 25:44: “You may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you.”

3. Sanctioned/legitimized sexx slavery.

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. But if the slave’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave but as a daughter." Exodus 21:7-9

From this verse, Jesus commands that a man can sell his daughter as a sex slave.

4. Sold slaves to buy horses and weapons for jihad against his enemies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml

5. Displayed black slaves in the mosque in form of exhibition (sahih bukhari 2:15:103).

You're a cursed liar, the slaves were happy and dancing during Eid. Here's the full Hadith

103:
Narrated 'Urwa on the authority of 'Aisha:
On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them and the Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina." 'Aisha further said, "Once the Prophet was screening me and I was watching the display of black slaves in the Mosque and ('Umar) scolded them. The Prophet said, 'Leave them. O Bani Arfida! (carry on), you are safe (protected)'."

As I said earlier, calling me an IPOB criminal shows that you are not intellectually fit for public debate. You don't throw tantrum like a spoilt kid to attract dad's attention.

You're an Ipob criminal, lament from now till tomorrow.

It takes 2 human to make a child. If white Arabs rape a black woman, the product of that evil union will be the mixture of the gene of both parents: the characteristics will be replicated on the offspring. This is simple biology! Northern Sudan is a perfect example of Arab Muslim atrocity against the black people. The people of Northern Sudan, some of who are mixed mixed bred offsprings of hundreds of years of Arab-muslim subjugation, have serious identity crisis. They are not accepted as Arabs (because they are not) and never wanted to fully associate with their black identity. Sudan is a lost case in the complete destruction of people's identity.

Dummy, I'm not talking about South Sudan. The Sudanese people are mostly Nubians, Zaggawa, some are Bantu people. They adopted the Arab culture which made them Arabs, this is similar to Lebanese and Syrians who are descendants of Phoenicians, Romans and Greeks. They accepted Islam and adopted the Arab culture which then turned them to Arabs. Though, some partially accepted the Arab culture and still maintain their cultural identity, but majority accepted Arab culture. The Funj people who are ethnic Africans accepted Islam and the Arab culture and they contributed greatly in the Arabization of the Sudan. There were Arabs tribes that migrated in the 12th century and intermarried with locals, but your suggestion that Arabs invaded and raped Sudanese people is devoid of fact. It might surprise you that the Sudanese people halted the Arab advances and there was peace treaty that lasted for 100s of years. The Arab armies were unable to penetrate Sudan and all marriages between Arabs and the Sudanese occurred much later when Arab traders came in.

@underlined, this is funny because Sudan is part of Arab League grin

You have to get your brain examined if you think you can become an Arab by merely following their religion and culture. No matter how fluently you speak Arabic, how eloquently you recite the Quran and the number of hadith you know, that can NEVER change your racial identify. Arab is a race and not a nationality, hope you are OK.

Sudan is an example, that's how many communities became Arabs. The Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese, Sudanese, Bahrainis all became Arabs like this. I can't remember vividly the quote but it was by Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah who was probably a Kurd himself. That's how Islam is, you don't know anything. Rather than be arrogant, ask politely and we would teach you Islam. Being an Arab is similar to being a Latino; we have full white Latinos, we have mixed who are known as Mullatos and we have blacks who are Latinos. Yet all are called Latinos, don't be a dummy.

I noticed you also attempted to deny sex slavery in Islam (Qur'an 4:24, etc. also in various hadith). It is well documented in your Islamic sources. Study the relationship between the Arab overlords and black women in the Islamic caliphate, 99% of black women were sex slaves to the Arabs.

Is it that you're blind or what? This isn't the first time I'm discussing this issue of slavery with you. A concubine is similar to ones wife in Islam and she can inherit her master just a wife does. Having sex with captives is something that always happened in the past as it's evidence in the bible. Islam came and reformed many practices and slavery is an example. You're not allowed to rape, you must take care and provide for the mother and child, the child has a share of inheritance. It's in Islam that slaves attain high status in the society, read the article I provided http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml

And as for rubbish statistics, continue o. This is why I call you ipob, it's your ilks that like to concoct statistics from their Igbos (there are 45% Igbos in Lagos, 99% of Igbos are Christians, etc). We also know how Christians Europeans enslaved millions of Africans, so you can't turn the table.

Even today in Saudi Arabia, black women are still viewed as not marriageable but OK as sex slaves.

There are no slaves in Saudi Arabia, are you this desperate? grin Saudi Arabia is a very tribal society, so you hardly see intertribal marriages but more of intratribal marriages. The Afro-Arabs of Saudi Arabia are found in the Hausawi and Barnawi tribes (there are others, but I can only remember this), they are descendants of Nigerians that settled there long ago and they marry from amongst themselves. This is why today in Saudi Arabia, it's almost impossible to marry a foreigner even if he/she is an Arab from another country, a black Saudi pilot married a white man from America and her tribe hated it. She had to leave the country for America to avoid the backlash, this has nothing to do with racism but it's deep loyalty to their tribes. The Arabs of Saudi don't even marry white men, it just doesn't happen. It's however unfortunate that you're intentionally dumb!

North Africans were Christians before Umar ibn kathab ordered a military expedition and sacked the peaceful society of any form of human civility. Umar's legacy can be felt in the middle east and north Africa; tribal wars, political instability and poverty, except the Arab gulf states rich in oil and gas that are being exploited by the western powers.

Before the North Africans were Christians, what were their religion? Should I show you how they were forced into Christianity by Emperor Justinian? And Incase you don't know, North Africa and Africa as a whole was peaceful not until the Christian colonialists came. The colonialists tore apart the societies, the Libyans were united until the Italians came. The Algerians and Tunisians were united not until the French came. This countries have been destroyed all thanks to West. Lemme not go further!

You are a boldfaced liar. The Spanish invited the Muslims to come and rule them. Who on earth invites a foreign power to come and rule them? This only happened in the wrapped minds of some Muslim revisionists. Spain was invaded by the combination of the Arab and Turk Muslims, their societies ransacked and Islam imposed on them, with the jizya poll tax. After hundreds of years of Islamic subjugation in Spain, they were destroyed and forced back to their shitholes. The Muslims never recovered from this humiliation till date.

Apparently, you're the boldfaced liar, you can read for yourself https://about-history.com/the-brutal-history-of-the-visigoth-kingdom-of-spain/ I would have given you a documentary link but you won't watch, so I can't stress myself. The Turks had nothing to do with Spain, it was the Berber and Arabs and majority were Berbers.

[s]The Islamic golden age' when Muslims were able to subjugate the kafir under Islamic rules. If you are not reading the wrong book you will understand the fact that the Greek, the Persian, the Egyptians and the Spaniards were great civilization before they fall under the control of the Ottoman empire. The Greek, before Islam, has a well documented civilization, were good in arts, maths, science, medicine and architecture. Islam built nothing in Greece under the Ottoman rule.[/s]

Ok, lmao grin grin

The Egyptians built one of the earliest civilization before Islam. The great pyramid of Egypt had been built when the Arabs were never known at all. The Egyptians had masters maths and architecture before Islamic invasion.

The Egyptians civilization was destroyed by the Romans, this same Romans later embraced Christianity and persecuted the people. Muslims were welcomed as liberators, aren't you shooting yourself on the foot like this? grin

The Persians are the earliest civilization documenter. They built the first modern city known to man. Their achievement and glory has nothing to do with Islam.

Well, that's your opinion. Scholars that placed it under the Islamic golden age aren't dunce, so you're inconsequential. Many of those involved in breakthroughs in medicine, mathematics, geometry, engineering, economics, etc during the Islamic golden age were actually Persians. No matter how you try to deny it, it's an undeniable fact glaring you in the face. So keep denying it just to console yourself, you're allowed tongue

The Spanish, under the Roman empire was also a great civilization before the Islamic barbarians came knocking at their door. The had developed some of the classical art and architecture known today.

Are you kidding me? So you're saying the Alhambra, mezquitas, generalife, giralda, and many other structures was built by who exactly?

All these civilization I listed were formally under the Ottoman empire hence under Islamic rule. These empire were unprepared for Islamic military and fell under the sword of Islam. Spain and Greece fought and got their freedom but Persia and Egypt couldn't. The effect of Islam could be felt in these places and you will agree with me that the two old civilizations that left the camp of Islam are doing far better than the camp of Islam. And all the nations that are currently doing well in science and technology never belonged to the camp of the 'Islamic golden age'. There growth were never stunted by the effect of Islam.

Lmao grin grin Now I know you're so so ignorant, the Spanish were never under the ottomans. The Persians were never under the ottomans, the Persians on the other hand began ruling themselves after getting freedom merely 150years after they were ruled by the Arabs. The Persians started ruling themselves under the Samanids, but I don't expect you to know this because you're a numb head. Nothing upstairs except for wailings!

You said the Arabs has nothing to do with the atrocities in India. You only exposed your gross ignorance and islamically sanctioned lies. India, unlike other civilizations, is the greatest victim of Islamic invasion and destruction. If you make this claim where the India-hindus are, you will be putting your life at a risk. The Indians will never forget or forgive the Arabs for their atrocities, NEVER! Go and read a book by M A Khan, an Indian author, on Muslims' genocide in mother India.

I believe I dealt with the issues of India clearly and every honest person viewing the thread can see I'm honest. The Arabs had nothing to do with crimes in India, those responsible were Turko, Persian, Mongol and Afghan rulers. I gave you an examples of such rulers and their origins and I never tried to defend any of the crimes committed. You're just trying to pin it on Arabs who had nothing to do with what happened, learn to call a spade a spade. And today's Indian Hindus wouldn't hesitate to terminate a Christian like you, the Hinduvta today are against Muslims and Christians and there has been reports of them lynching both Muslims and Christians. So don't think you're so lucky!

And as of your last post, you can continue blabbing. You've failed honestly, Arabic language is here to stay and there's nothing you or your generations can do about it.

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Re: Islam and Racism by true2god: 10:52am On Jan 03, 2019
Demmzy15:
How come I didn't see this reply?



Lol, if I may ask you, since all your exposing my religion and other blabbings how many have embraced Christianity?



Nowhere did it indicate the slave was Arab, stop pushing in your rubbish interpretations. The slave was freed because he became a Muslim, just as how Bilal who was a black was freed by Abu Bakr because he became Muslim. It was the custom of early Muslims to free other Muslims who are slaves.



Leviticus 25:44: “You may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you.”



"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. But if the slave’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave but as a daughter." Exodus 21:7-9

From this verse, Jesus commands that a man can sell his daughter as a sex slave.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml



You're a cursed liar, the slaves were happy and dancing during Eid. Here's the full Hadith

103:
Narrated 'Urwa on the authority of 'Aisha:
On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them and the Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina." 'Aisha further said, "Once the Prophet was screening me and I was watching the display of black slaves in the Mosque and ('Umar) scolded them. The Prophet said, 'Leave them. O Bani Arfida! (carry on), you are safe (protected)'."



You're an Ipob criminal, lament from now till tomorrow.



Dummy, I'm not talking about South Sudan. The Sudanese people are mostly Nubians, Zaggawa, some are Bantu people. They adopted the Arab culture which made them Arabs, this is similar to Lebanese and Syrians who are descendants of Phoenicians, Romans and Greeks. They accepted Islam and adopted the Arab culture which then turned them to Arabs. Though, some partially accepted the Arab culture and still maintain their cultural identity, but majority accepted Arab culture. The Funj people who are ethnic Africans accepted Islam and the Arab culture and they contributed greatly in the Arabization of the Sudan. There were Arabs tribes that migrated in the 12th century and intermarried with locals, but your suggestion that Arabs invaded and raped Sudanese people is devoid of fact. It might surprise you that the Sudanese people halted the Arab advances and there was peace treaty that lasted for 100s of years. The Arab armies were unable to penetrate Sudan and all marriages between Arabs and the Sudanese occurred much later when Arab traders came in.

@underlined, this is funny because Sudan is part of Arab League grin



Sudan is an example, that's how many communities became Arabs. The Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese, Sudanese, Bahrainis all became Arabs like this. I can't remember vividly the quote but it was by Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah who was probably a Kurd himself. That's how Islam is, you don't know anything. Rather than be arrogant, ask politely and we would teach you Islam. Being an Arab is similar to being a Latino; we have full white Latinos, we have mixed who are known as Mullatos and we have blacks who are Latinos. Yet all are called Latinos, don't be a dummy.



Is it that you're blind or what? This isn't the first time I'm discussing this issue of slavery with you. A concubine is similar to ones wife in Islam and she can inherit her master just a wife does. Having sex with captives is something that always happened in the past as it's evidence in the bible. Islam came and reformed many practices and slavery is an example. You're not allowed to rape, you must take care and provide for the mother and child, the child has a share of inheritance. It's in Islam that slaves attain high status in the society, read the article I provided http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml

And as for rubbish statistics, continue o. This is why I call you ipob, it's your ilks that like to concoct statistics from their Igbos (there are 45% Igbos in Lagos, 99% of Igbos are Christians, etc). We also know how Christians Europeans enslaved millions of Africans, so you can't turn the table.



There are no slaves in Saudi Arabia, are you this desperate? grin Saudi Arabia is a very tribal society, so you hardly see intertribal marriages but more of intratribal marriages. The Afro-Arabs of Saudi Arabia are found in the Hausawi and Barnawi tribes (there are others, but I can only remember this), they are descendants of Nigerians that settled there long ago and they marry from amongst themselves. This is why today in Saudi Arabia, it's almost impossible to marry a foreigner even if he/she is an Arab from another country, a black Saudi pilot married a white man from America and her tribe hated it. She had to leave the country for America to avoid the backlash, this has nothing to do with racism but it's deep loyalty to their tribes. The Arabs of Saudi don't even marry white men, it just doesn't happen. It's however unfortunate that you're intentionally dumb!



Before the North Africans were Christians, what were their religion? Should I show you how they were forced into Christianity by Emperor Justinian? And Incase you don't know, North Africa and Africa as a whole was peaceful not until the Christian colonialists came. The colonialists tore apart the societies, the Libyans were united until the Italians came. The Algerians and Tunisians were united not until the French came. This countries have been destroyed all thanks to West. Lemme not go further!



Apparently, you're the boldfaced liar, you can read for yourself https://about-history.com/the-brutal-history-of-the-visigoth-kingdom-of-spain/ I would have given you a documentary link but you won't watch, so I can't stress myself. The Turks had nothing to do with Spain, it was the Berber and Arabs and majority were Berbers.



Ok, lmao grin grin



The Egyptians civilization was destroyed by the Romans, this same Romans later embraced Christianity and persecuted the people. Muslims were welcomed as liberators, aren't you shooting yourself on the foot like this? grin



Well, that's your opinion. Scholars that placed it under the Islamic golden age aren't dunce, so you're inconsequential. Many of those involved in breakthroughs in medicine, mathematics, geometry, engineering, economics, etc during the Islamic golden age were actually Persians. No matter how you try to deny it, it's an undeniable fact glaring you in the face. So keep denying it just to console yourself, you're allowed tongue



Are you kidding me? So you're saying the Alhambra, mezquitas, generalife, giralda, and many other structures was built by who exactly?



Lmao grin grin Now I know you're so so ignorant, the Spanish were never under the ottomans. The Persians were never under the ottomans, the Persians on the other hand began ruling themselves after getting freedom merely 150years after they were ruled by the Arabs. The Persians started ruling themselves under the Samanids, but I don't expect you to know this because you're a numb head. Nothing upstairs except for wailings!



I believe I dealt with the issues of India clearly and every honest person viewing the thread can see I'm honest. The Arabs had nothing to do with crimes in India, those responsible were Turko, Persian, Mongol and Afghan rulers. I gave you an examples of such rulers and their origins and I never tried to defend any of the crimes committed. You're just trying to pin it on Arabs who had nothing to do with what happened, learn to call a spade a spade. And today's Indian Hindus wouldn't hesitate to terminate a Christian like you, the Hinduvta today are against Muslims and Christians and there has been reports of them lynching both Muslims and Christians. So don't think you're so lucky!

And as of your last post, you can continue blabbing. You've failed honestly, Arabic language is here to stay and there's nothing you or your generations can do about it.
I responded over a week ago but you decided not to reply because you were googling to get a better rebuttal. I know you are not blind.

You should have noted that activities in ‘Islam for Muslims’ section had reduced drastically which indicated that most of the participants are frustrated with Islam. They don’t need to text you or send you a PM to confirm. ‘Tintinz’, your ex-Muslim brother, is a living example of one of the few people that have gone weary of Islam. His eyes have been opened to the fake Arab imperial religion whose trademark is the subjugation of the kafirs.

On sunnan an-nasai book 44 hadith 4625, you agreed that your prophet traded 2 black slaves for one white slave (or Arab slave). The Arabs, under racial classifications, are also whites. The hadith describes your prophet as a WHITE MAN.

For once you agreed that your prophet permitted sex slavery just that you have to drag the bible into the mud to justify your prophets’ s immoral behaviours; a typical Islamic debate pattern. You can never deny the fact that Islam, from inception, thrived on sex slavery.

The black slaves at the mosques were displayed for auctioning. Many hadiths indicated slave transactions taking place inside the mosques. It is in your hadith and sirah bro!

You said the Sudanese people accepted Islam willingly and adopted Arab culture. You are a disgrace to your black ancestors if you think the blacks in sudan, Somalia, Mauritania, etc, were not enslaved for over 1400 years which destroyed their black identity and created so many sub-Sahara black ‘species’ such as the tuareg, the fulanis, the berbers, etc. The Sudanese came in contact with the Arabs before and during Mohammed’s time and almost 100% of them were slaves to the Arabs, including the famous Bilal.
http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/castration-of-men-kasi-kardan-kaya-kesidan-kaja-kardan

North Africa was the extension of the old Roman Empire. The Roman Empire conquered Egypt in the pre-Christian era, some 50BC. The problem most people have, especially Muslims, is that they use the word ‘Roman Empire’ when it suits their lies and argument. The most appropriate could have been the Byzantine empire, the fragment of the post Christian era of the Roman Empire that ruled Turkey before the Islamic conquest of Turkey. The Christians never conquered Egypt before the pre-Christian Roman Empire. The Roman Empire covered the entire Europe, the levante (some part of Arab territory) and North Africa before the coming of Christ/Christianity. It is never on record that there was any Christian crusade in north Africa against the local population. Know your history boy!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/egypt_end_01.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt
https://www.britannica.com/place/Egypt/From-the-Islamic-conquest-to-1250


And you must be a perfect illiterate to think that accepting Islam, speaking fluent Arabic and answering Arab name makes you an Arab. An English man who speaks Yoruba language very well and worship Yoruba god, IFA, can never, for that reason, become a Yorubaman. Only a fully brainwashed person thinks so.

You are a poor student of history and Geography to think that Arab land was restricted to only the modern day Saudi Arabia. Prior Islam, we have local Arab population in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Oman, etc. just as we equally have some non-Arab tribe such as the Chaldean (in Syria) and Kurds (in Iraq). These people were living peacefully before the Muslim-Arab religious invasion (Quran 9:28-30).

And for the sake of argument, let us accept the fact Spain was not under the ottoman rule but under the Arab-Muslim rule, what difference does it make? The fact remains that they were, without provocation, invaded, occupied and subjugated by Arab-Muslims for over 200 years. And as I said earlier, you are a very poor student of history. When the Arabs invaded, under Umar Ibn Kathab, the indigenous people of Egypt, Greece, Persian, etc, were already civilized and advance, as at the standard required for human civilization then. The Muslim-Arabs did not introduce modern architecture, maths and science, modern medicine to the conquered local population. If I am to use your Islamic logic, I can equally conclude that the Russian introduced modern science to the occupied Germans between 1945 and 1989 or that the US introduced modern science to occupied Japan between 1945 to 1951. An invading/occupying force does not necessarily mean a more technologically sophisticated side. Japan is more technologically advance than Russia but Russia is a far stronger militarily. You can use this scenario for the Arabs and their conquered territory.

You are an unrepentant liar if you insist that the Arab-Muslim did not invade and did a wholesale massacre in India. The link below might be of help to you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_in_the_Indian_subcontinent
https://www.encyclopedia.com/international/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/islams-impact-india


I have no issue with Arabic as a language but I pity black people like you who have foolishly submitted to Arabian culture, language and religion in order to serve the interest of your Arab masters. You still remain an Abdul to the Arabs no matter how loyal you are. The earlier you renounce that ‘BILAL’ mentality of yours the better. It is an insult for black people to be Muslims going by the slavery past (and present) of the Arabs against the black people. One must have a serious mental issue if he thinks being a loyal Muslim makes you an Arab. On some black nations being members of the Arab league, the Arab league is a political movement of countries that speak Arabic as official and not a racially-based movement, just as we have the British commonwealth of nations for all English speaking nations or countries which were formally British colony. Somalis, Sudanese and Mauritanians, being members of the Arab league, does not make Arabs. The Moroccans are currently applying for membership of ECOWAS, as an economic block, but they are not black Africans nor located in west africa sub-region. The same way the Arab league is a political bloc for Arab speaking nations.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/arab-league.asp

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Re: Islam and Racism by Demmzy15(m): 1:48pm On Jan 03, 2019
true2god:
I responded over a week ago but you decided not to reply because you were googling to get a better rebuttal. I know you are not blind.

I didnt see your reply, I've got issues with my account and I've complained several times to the MODs. And be ready for a lot of cancellation of your posts as I don't have time to regurgitate the same stuffs over and over again.

You should have noted that activities in ‘Islam for Muslims’ section had reduced drastically which indicated that most of the participants are frustrated with Islam. They don’t need to text you or send you a PM to confirm. ‘Tintinz’, your ex-Muslim brother, is a living example of one of the few people that have gone weary of Islam. His eyes have been opened to the fake Arab imperial religion whose trademark is the subjugation of the kafirs.

Tintinz apostasy had nothing to do with your evangelism, so next?!

[s]On sunnan an-nasai book 44 hadith 4625, you agreed that your prophet traded 2 black slaves for one white slave (or Arab slave). The Arabs, under racial classifications, are also whites. The hadith describes your prophet as a WHITE MAN.

For once you agreed that your prophet permitted sex slavery just that you have to drag the bible into the mud to justify your prophets’ s immoral behaviours; a typical Islamic debate pattern. You can never deny the fact that Islam, from inception, thrived on sex slavery.

The black slaves at the mosques were displayed for auctioning. Many hadiths indicated slave transactions taking place inside the mosques. It is in your hadith and sirah bro![/s]

Already treated, when you're have new points holla me. I've cleared this before.

You said the Sudanese people accepted Islam willingly and adopted Arab culture. You are a disgrace to your black ancestors if you think the blacks in sudan, Somalia, Mauritania, etc, were not enslaved for over 1400 years which destroyed their black identity and created so many sub-Sahara black ‘species’ such as the tuareg, the fulanis, the berbers, etc. The Sudanese came in contact with the Arabs before and during Mohammed’s time and almost 100% of them were slaves to the Arabs, including the famous Bilal.
http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/castration-of-men-kasi-kardan-kaya-kesidan-kaja-kardan

The Arabs were defeated in their advance into Sudan, so no Arab armies invaded them. The Blacks during the time of Prophet Muhammad were from Abyssinia and they were known to have dealings with the Arabs. The Abyssinians attacked and occupied Yemen, this is why Yemenis today are darker in completion. Bilal himself was an Afro-Arab as he had an Arab Father and a Black Mother.

[s]North Africa was the extension of the old Roman Empire. The Roman Empire conquered Egypt in the pre-Christian era, some 50BC. The problem most people have, especially Muslims, is that they use the word ‘Roman Empire’ when it suits their lies and argument. The most appropriate could have been the Byzantine empire, the fragment of the post Christian era of the Roman Empire that ruled Turkey before the Islamic conquest of Turkey. The Christians never conquered Egypt before the pre-Christian Roman Empire. The Roman Empire covered the entire Europe, the levante (some part of Arab territory) and North Africa before the coming of Christ/Christianity. It is never on record that there was any Christian crusade in north Africa against the local population. Know your history boy!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/egypt_end_01.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt
https://www.britannica.com/place/Egypt/From-the-Islamic-conquest-to-1250[/s]

Was the area conquered by sword or not? If it was by the sword, why then complain about Muslims taking it over from the Byzantines who were at war with them? grin The people of North Africa wanted independence from the Romans and they were forced back in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalic_War so I'll suggest you shut your hole up.

[s]And you must be a perfect illiterate to think that accepting Islam, speaking fluent Arabic and answering Arab name makes you an Arab. An English man who speaks Yoruba language very well and worship Yoruba god, IFA, can never, for that reason, become a Yorubaman. Only a fully brainwashed person thinks so.[/s]

The culture of the English, Arabs and Yorubas are different. SO it doesn't go that way, I've given a clear explanation hence the cancellation.

You are a poor student of history and Geography to think that Arab land was restricted to only the modern day Saudi Arabia. Prior Islam, we have local Arab population in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Oman, etc. just as we equally have some non-Arab tribe such as the Chaldean (in Syria) and Kurds (in Iraq). These people were living peacefully before the Muslim-Arab religious invasion (Quran 9:28-30).

The minorities still exist. We Chaldeans, Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds, etc still there. So what exactly are talking about? shocked grin

[s]And for the sake of argument, let us accept the fact Spain was not under the ottoman rule but under the Arab-Muslim rule, what difference does it make? The fact remains that they were, without provocation, invaded, occupied and subjugated by Arab-Muslims for over 200 years. And as I said earlier, you are a very poor student of history. When the Arabs invaded, under Umar Ibn Kathab, the indigenous people of Egypt, Greece, Persian, etc, were already civilized and advance, as at the standard required for human civilization then. The Muslim-Arabs did not introduce modern architecture, maths and science, modern medicine to the conquered local population. If I am to use your Islamic logic, I can equally conclude that the Russian introduced modern science to the occupied Germans between 1945 and 1989 or that the US introduced modern science to occupied Japan between 1945 to 1951. An invading/occupying force does not necessarily mean a more technologically sophisticated side. Japan is more technologically advance than Russia but Russia is a far stronger militarily. You can use this scenario for the Arabs and their conquered territory.[/s]

Bla bla bla bla. You goofed and instead of you to admit you're pouring out more rubbish. The Islamic Golden cannot be denied, so whatever you're doing is to keep consoling yourself. And your illogical logic doesn't make sense here because, breakthroughs in science was accomplished not when they were under Arabs. The Iranians were ruling themselves independently and still made breakthroughs, the Arabs also made breakthroughs. The Islamic Golden age started under Haroun Ar Rashid, so it was under the Arabs that birthed it, so you can continue to wail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age Read for yourself, if you raise this issue again, I'll just cancel and show you this page.

You are an unrepentant liar if you insist that the Arab-Muslim did not invade and did a wholesale massacre in India. The link below might be of help to you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_in_the_Indian_subcontinent
https://www.encyclopedia.com/international/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/islams-impact-india

Not every conquest is a massacre, the conquest of Spain wasn't a massacre, the conquest of North Africa wasn't a massacre, etc. The people who carried massacres in India weren't Arabs but Turko, Mongol, Persian and Afghan rulers. Was is this really hard to sink into your hard impervious head?


[s]I have no issue with Arabic as a language but I pity black people like you who have foolishly submitted to Arabian culture, language and religion in order to serve the interest of your Arab masters. You still remain an Abdul to the Arabs no matter how loyal you are. The earlier you renounce that ‘BILAL’ mentality of yours the better. It is an insult for black people to be Muslims going by the slavery past (and present) of the Arabs against the black people. One must have a serious mental issue if he thinks being a loyal Muslim makes you an Arab. On some black nations being members of the Arab league, the Arab league is a political movement of countries that speak Arabic as official and not a racially-based movement, just as we have the British commonwealth of nations for all English speaking nations or countries which were formally British colony. Somalis, Sudanese and Mauritanians, being members of the Arab league, does not make Arabs. The Moroccans are currently applying for membership of ECOWAS, as an economic block, but they are not black Africans nor located in west africa sub-region. The same way the Arab league is a political bloc for Arab speaking nations.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/arab-league.asp[/s]

You'll ultimately kill yourself one day. Sudan is a member of the Arab League and they became a member after their independence. So whatever definitions you're giving is just to console yourself, you've failed already. And I noticed you didn't address any of the verses I posted from the bible.

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Re: Islam and Racism by Demmzy15(m): 1:50pm On Jan 03, 2019
True2god we need answers please....

Numbers 31: 17-18

17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

The Jewish soldiers were commanded by “God” in the bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they were commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. How these soldiers in those days know if the girls are virgin or not? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they kill them as they were commanded by “God”.

But the most outrageous is that the Bible imply that God is a Pedophile himself! (Astagfirullah)

Numbers 31: 25-40 (NLT)

[b]25. And the Lord said to Moses,
26. “You and Eleazar the priest and the family leaders of each tribe are to make a list of all the plunder taken in the battle, including the people and animals.
27. Then divide the plunder into two parts, and give half to the men who fought the battle and half to the rest of the people.
28. From the army’s portion, first give the Lord his share of the plunder—one of every 500 of the prisoners and of the cattle, donkeys, sheep, and goats.
29. Give this share of the army’s half to Eleazar the priest as an offering to the Lord.
30. From the half that belongs to the people of Israel, take one of every fifty of the prisoners and of the cattle, donkeys, sheep, goats, and other animals. Give this share to the Levites, who are in charge of maintaining the Lord’s Tabernacle.”
31. So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.
32The plunder remaining from everything the fighting men had taken totaled 675,000 sheep and goats,
33. 72,000 cattle,
34. 61,000 donkeys,
35. and 32,000 virgin girls.
36Half of the plunder was given to the fighting men. It totaled 337,500 sheep and goats,
37. of which 675 were the Lord’s share;
38. 36,000 cattle, of which 72 were the Lord’s share;
39. 30,500 donkeys, of which 61 were the Lord’s share;
40. and 16,000 virgin girls, of whom 32 were the Lord’s share[/b].

What did your god do with the virgins?

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Re: Islam and Racism by true2god: 7:29am On Jan 07, 2019
Demmzy15:


I didnt see your reply, I've got issues with my account and I've complained several times to the MODs. And be ready for a lot of cancellation of your posts as I don't have time to regurgitate the same stuffs over and over again.



Tintinz apostasy had nothing to do with your evangelism, so next?!



Already treated, when you're have new points holla me. I've cleared this before.



The Arabs were defeated in their advance into Sudan, so no Arab armies invaded them. The Blacks during the time of Prophet Muhammad were from Abyssinia and they were known to have dealings with the Arabs. The Abyssinians attacked and occupied Yemen, this is why Yemenis today are darker in completion. Bilal himself was an Afro-Arab as he had an Arab Father and a Black Mother.



Was the area conquered by sword or not? If it was by the sword, why then complain about Muslims taking it over from the Byzantines who were at war with them? grin The people of North Africa wanted independence from the Romans and they were forced back in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalic_War so I'll suggest you shut your hole up.



The culture of the English, Arabs and Yorubas are different. SO it doesn't go that way, I've given a clear explanation hence the cancellation.



The minorities still exist. We Chaldeans, Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds, etc still there. So what exactly are talking about? shocked grin



Bla bla bla bla. You goofed and instead of you to admit you're pouring out more rubbish. The Islamic Golden cannot be denied, so whatever you're doing is to keep consoling yourself. And your illogical logic doesn't make sense here because, breakthroughs in science was accomplished not when they were under Arabs. The Iranians were ruling themselves independently and still made breakthroughs, the Arabs also made breakthroughs. The Islamic Golden age started under Haroun Ar Rashid, so it was under the Arabs that birthed it, so you can continue to wail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age Read for yourself, if you raise this issue again, I'll just cancel and show you this page.



Not every conquest is a massacre, the conquest of Spain wasn't a massacre, the conquest of North Africa wasn't a massacre, etc. The people who carried massacres in India weren't Arabs but Turko, Mongol, Persian and Afghan rulers. Was is this really hard to sink into your hard impervious head?




You'll ultimately kill yourself one day. Sudan is a member of the Arab League and they became a member after their independence. So whatever definitions you're giving is just to console yourself, you've failed already. And I noticed you didn't address any of the verses I posted from the bible.


I think you are suffering from the 'Allihamdu li lahi' virus. What is 'Allihamdu li lahi' virus and what are the symptoms. It is a virus from Arabia that affects cognitive dissonance of the patient which makes him lack critical thinking and sense of humanity. What are the symptoms? They are:

1. Lying to defend Islam/Mohammed.

2. Fighting to defend Islam/Mohammed

3. Using the hadith when it suits their argument; condemning the hadith when it does not fit into their argument.

4. Using propaganda to defend Islamic lies and global ambition.

5. Destabilizing any economic or political system which does not conform to the sunnah of their prophet. etc.

I need no explanation from you on what's wrong with your account; you are not accountable to me on that.

'Tintinz' apostasy has everything to do with divergent view which are critical to Islamic beliefs and practices. Many Muslims have deleted their account when they can no longer defend Islam and his messenger and many has left Islam.

You still need to deal with the fact that your prophet sold two black slaves to get one white slave (Arab slave) which effectively made him a slave trader. You can't also deny they fact that over 99% of all blacks that had contact with Mohammed and his sahabas were all slaves to the Arabs.

You are a liar to claim that Bilal had a white Arab father (which biologically and genetically made him an Arab) and his mother a black woman. There is no any Islamic document that gave that information. Bilal is regarded as a poster boy for Arab-muslim propaganda in black Africa and a simple tool to brainwash blacks into accepting Islam.

For the fact that you acknowledged a failed Arab-muslim jihad into the Sudan proved my point that the Arab-muslims were aggressive in conquering the black people of Sudan. For the fact that they might make an initial failed attempt does not mean that they didn't succeed in their subsequent quest. And note that any land where Arabs conquer, they take slaves as well. See links below:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_the_Sudan_region
http://countrystudies.us/sudan/6.htm
http://historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistoriesResponsive.asp?historyid=aa86

On north Africa, you are Islamically shifting the goal post. What I said is that prior Christianity, the Roman empire had existed. Egypt was conquered by the Roman empire long before Christianity. The conquest, unlike the Umar ibn kathab jihad, has nothing to do with religion. Most conquest, except Islamic conquest, have nothing to do with religion. There was no record of Christian crusade in north Africa before Islamic invasion.

You said the culture of an Englishman, an Arab-man and a Yoruba-man are different, agreed. I want to correct the misconception you have on racial affiliation; nature (and not acculturation) determines ones race. You can't chose to be an Arab except one of your parent (preferably your father) is an Arab. You don't acquire a race but you are 'born' into that race. You can't become and Arab simply because you speak fluent Arabic. And for point of correction, England is a country (not a race) whose natives are Caucasians by racial classification. Arab is a particular race classified as Semitic people. Yoruba people are classified among the negroid race. You can't be be a negroid and later become an Arab. Only an illiterate thinks so.

The Islamic 'golden age' was a term coined by Muslim academics to celebrate Islamic great past, especially when they subjugate other cultures under Islamic rule. There is no any visible scientific breakthrough attributable to it; it is all about propaganda to inflate the ego of Muslims especially now that all Muslim societies are ranked lowest in educational and scientific indices. Even here in Nigeria, the south east states are permanently ranked academically superior to all 20 northern states. That's the effect of certain religion, like Islam, in any society.

You said not all conquest is a massacre. Can you give me an example of any conquest that does not involve the spill of Innocent blood?

Sudan is a member of the Arab league just as Nigeria is a member of the Commonwealth of nations for all English speaking nations. The Sudanese are blacks Africans but can politically chosed to be addressed as 'Arabs', the same way the Pakistanis also want to be addressed as 'Arabs'. You can't be a negroid and an Arab at the same time. As I said earlier, Sudan is a classical example of what happened to the psyche of a people who have been subjugated, enslaved and culturally destroyed for over 1400 by an evil and aggressive neighbor/master.

If an African convert to Islam, it doesn't change his/her race and make him/her an Arab; it just changes his/her religion. --king of Saudi Arabia, Abdullah ibn abdulaziz
Re: Islam and Racism by Demmzy15(m): 12:38pm On Jan 07, 2019
true2god:
[s]I think you are suffering from the 'Allihamdu li lahi' virus. What is 'Allihamdu li lahi' virus and what are the symptoms. It is a virus from Arabia that affects cognitive dissonance of the patient which makes him lack critical thinking and sense of humanity. What are the symptoms? They are:

1. Lying to defend Islam/Mohammed.

2. Fighting to defend Islam/Mohammed

3. Using the hadith when it suits their argument; condemning the hadith when it does not fit into their argument.

4. Using propaganda to defend Islamic lies and global ambition.

5. Destabilizing any economic or political system which does not conform to the sunnah of their prophet. etc.[/s]

Irrelevant to the topic being discussed, so I'll pass!

I need no explanation from you on what's wrong with your account; you are not accountable to me on that.

I only gave an explanation so as you won't think big of yourself, if I don't reply early, it is also due to the fact I'm busy. So I'm not a jobless tout like you!

'Tintinz' apostasy has everything to do with divergent view which are critical to Islamic beliefs and practices. Many Muslims have deleted their account when they can no longer defend Islam and his messenger and many has left Islam.

Tintinz apostasy has nothing to do with your evangelism, this is what I stated initially.

You still need to deal with the fact that your prophet sold two black slaves to get one white slave (Arab slave) which effectively made him a slave trader. You can't also deny they fact that over 99% of all blacks that had contact with Mohammed and his sahabas were all slaves to the Arabs.

You were there to count all of them abi grin illiterate! The explanation I gave is very simple and I'll repeat it again in case you have amnesia:

"The slave was freed because he became a Muslim, just as how Bilal who was a black was freed by Abu Bakr because he became Muslim. It was the custom of early Muslims to free other Muslims who are slaves."

You are a liar to claim that Bilal had a white Arab father (which biologically and genetically made him an Arab) and his mother a black woman. There is no any Islamic document that gave that information. Bilal is regarded as a poster boy for Arab-muslim propaganda in black Africa and a simple tool to brainwash blacks into accepting Islam.


Dunce!!! You think you know but you're very ignorant. Bilal's father was an Arab slave from the tribe of Banu Jumah and his mother was from Abyssinia (Ethiopia). He had a dark skin just as how Usamah Ibn Zaid who was like a grandson to Prophet Muhammad also had a dark skin despite having an Arab Father. http://sahaba.net/bilal-rabah-family/

[s]For the fact that you acknowledged a failed Arab-muslim jihad into the Sudan proved my point that the Arab-muslims were aggressive in conquering the black people of Sudan. For the fact that they might make an initial failed attempt does not mean that they didn't succeed in their subsequent quest. And note that any land where Arabs conquer, they take slaves as well. See links below:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_the_Sudan_region
http://countrystudies.us/sudan/6.htm
http://historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistoriesResponsive.asp?historyid=aa86[/s]

Shut up your dirty mouth, you've been exposed and now you're trying to turn the tables to hide your damned face. I never denied the Arabs conquered lands and territories as this was the norm then, so you don't have any point here. You claimed Sudan was conquered and the people enslaved and you've been proven to be a liar, no Arab armies entered Sudan and the Arabization of the country was done peacefully by it's own people. Rather admitting your failure, you saying rubbish!

On north Africa, you are Islamically shifting the goal post. What I said is that prior Christianity, the Roman empire had existed. Egypt was conquered by the Roman empire long before Christianity. The conquest, unlike the Umar ibn kathab jihad, has nothing to do with religion. Most conquest, except Islamic conquest, have nothing to do with religion. There was no record of Christian crusade in north Africa before Islamic invasion.

Weren't the Byzantines at war with Muslims? if the Christians who started the war were defeated who's problem is that? Hope you're Okay?

[s]You said the culture of an Englishman, an Arab-man and a Yoruba-man are different, agreed. I want to correct the misconception you have on racial affiliation; nature (and not acculturation) determines ones race. You can't chose to be an Arab except one of your parent (preferably your father) is an Arab. You don't acquire a race but you are 'born' into that race. You can't become and Arab simply because you speak fluent Arabic. And for point of correction, England is a country (not a race) whose natives are Caucasians by racial classification. Arab is a particular race classified as Semitic people. Yoruba people are classified among the negroid race. You can't be be a negroid and later become an Arab. Only an illiterate thinks so.[/s]

I've explained this several times, I'll repeat this from my previous posts:

"Sudan is an example, that's how many communities became Arabs. The Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese, Sudanese, Bahrainis all became Arabs like this. I can't remember vividly the quote but it was by Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah who was probably a Kurd himself. That's how Islam is, you don't know anything. Rather than be arrogant, ask politely and we would teach you Islam. Being an Arab is similar to being a Latino; we have full white Latinos, we have mixed who are known as Mullatos and we have blacks who are Latinos. Yet all are called Latinos, don't be a dummy."

The Islamic 'golden age' was a term coined by Muslim academics to celebrate Islamic great past, especially when they subjugate other cultures under Islamic rule. There is no any visible scientific breakthrough attributable to it; it is all about propaganda to inflate the ego of Muslims especially now that all Muslim societies are ranked lowest in educational and scientific indices. Even here in Nigeria, the south east states are permanently ranked academically superior to all 20 northern states. That's the effect of certain religion, like Islam, in any society.

The Golden Age ended in the 13th century. When the Northerners were wearing clothes, your peoplewere still wearing leaves till the late 19th century. Your people had no connection with the outside world not until the Colonialists came (same cannot said with the Northerners), I'm even tempted to say Igbos would have surely been one of those primitive uncontacted tribes that existed in the Americas and India. Heck, Igbo Christians couldn't even translate English Bible to Igbo Language not until a YorubaMan did it for you. You should go and read about Northern Nigeria before Colonialism, and don't for a second think South East is better than North, that's a big fat lie.

You said not all conquest is a massacre. Can you give me an example of any conquest that does not involve the spill of Innocent blood?

I gave an example and hope you know that when you meet your enemies on the battlefield, you don't give them roses?

[s]Sudan is a member of the Arab league just as Nigeria is a member of the Commonwealth of nations for all English speaking nations. The Sudanese are blacks Africans but can politically chosed to be addressed as 'Arabs', the same way the Pakistanis also want to be addressed as 'Arabs'. You can't be a negroid and an Arab at the same time. As I said earlier, Sudan is a classical example of what happened to the psyche of a people who have been subjugated, enslaved and culturally destroyed for over 1400 by an evil and aggressive neighbor/master.[/s]

We are member of 'Commonwealth of Nations' because we were the a former colony of Britain and not because we speak English as there are many member countries whose official language ain't English such as: Cameroon and Bangladesh and some countries who are English speaking but ain't members such as: Republic of Ireland, Burundi and Liberia. So Arab League is a different case as it is for Arab Nations alone, you're just nagging about Sudan, what about Somalia who are blacks but members too?

Read about what is means to be an Arab https://al-bab.com/special-topics/who-are-arabs

If an African convert to Islam, it doesn't change his/her race and make him/her an Arab; it just changes his/her religion. --king of Saudi Arabia, Abdullah ibn abdulaziz

When did he make this statement? I need proofs!
Re: Islam and Racism by true2god: 1:11pm On Jan 09, 2019
Demmzy15:


Irrelevant to the topic being discussed, so I'll pass!



I only gave an explanation so as you won't think big of yourself, if I don't reply early, it is also due to the fact I'm busy. So I'm not a jobless tout like you!



Tintinz apostasy has nothing to do with your evangelism, this is what I stated initially.



You were there to count all of them abi grin illiterate! The explanation I gave is very simple and I'll repeat it again in case you have amnesia:

"The slave was freed because he became a Muslim, just as how Bilal who was a black was freed by Abu Bakr because he became Muslim. It was the custom of early Muslims to free other Muslims who are slaves."



Dunce!!! You think you know but you're very ignorant. Bilal's father was an Arab slave from the tribe of Banu Jumah and his mother was from Abyssinia (Ethiopia). He had a dark skin just as how Usamah Ibn Zaid who was like a grandson to Prophet Muhammad also had a dark skin despite having an Arab Father. http://sahaba.net/bilal-rabah-family/



Shut up your dirty mouth, you've been exposed and now you're trying to turn the tables to hide your damned face. I never denied the Arabs conquered lands and territories as this was the norm then, so you don't have any point here. You claimed Sudan was conquered and the people enslaved and you've been proven to be a liar, no Arab armies entered Sudan and the Arabization of the country was done peacefully by it's own people. Rather admitting your failure, you saying rubbish!



Weren't the Byzantines at war with Muslims? if the Christians who started the war were defeated who's problem is that? Hope you're Okay?



I've explained this several times, I'll repeat this from my previous posts:

"Sudan is an example, that's how many communities became Arabs. The Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese, Sudanese, Bahrainis all became Arabs like this. I can't remember vividly the quote but it was by Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah who was probably a Kurd himself. That's how Islam is, you don't know anything. Rather than be arrogant, ask politely and we would teach you Islam. Being an Arab is similar to being a Latino; we have full white Latinos, we have mixed who are known as Mullatos and we have blacks who are Latinos. Yet all are called Latinos, don't be a dummy."



The Golden Age ended in the 13th century. When the Northerners were wearing clothes, your peoplewere still wearing leaves till the late 19th century. Your people had no connection with the outside world not until the Colonialists came (same cannot said with the Northerners), I'm even tempted to say Igbos would have surely been one of those primitive uncontacted tribes that existed in the Americas and India. Heck, Igbo Christians couldn't even translate English Bible to Igbo Language not until a YorubaMan did it for you. You should go and read about Northern Nigeria before Colonialism, and don't for a second think South East is better than North, that's a big fat lie.



I gave an example and hope you know that when you meet your enemies on the battlefield, you don't give them roses?



We are member of 'Commonwealth of Nations' because we were the a former colony of Britain and not because we speak English as there are many member countries whose official language ain't English such as: Cameroon and Bangladesh and some countries who are English speaking but ain't members such as: Republic of Ireland, Burundi and Liberia. So Arab League is a different case as it is for Arab Nations alone, you're just nagging about Sudan, what about Somalia who are blacks but members too?

Read about what is means to be an Arab https://al-bab.com/special-topics/who-are-arabs



When did he make this statement? I need proofs!
I never evangelized 'Tintinz'; he opened his mind to rational argument and left Islam. It's a fact that I have debated him many times; check my old posts.

I never counted the number of slaves owned by Mohammed and his sahabas; I only told you that over 99% of blacks that came in contact with mohammed were his slaves. If you have a fair knowledge of Statistics, you will understand better when someone makes a rough estimate using a hypothetical population. Can you mention a single black man/woman who was not Mohammed's or his companions' slave? As a said earlier, and will happily repeat it, your prophet did a trade by batter slavery by exchanging 2 black slaves for a white (Arab slave)

Stop lying and providing a 'taqiyya' link for me to adopt; Bilal never had a white (Arab) father. Your attempt at revising your own shameful history CANNOT erase the fact that your prophet started the business of enslaving black people long before the white missionaries set their foot on African soil. It is in your Islamic source documents and the Arabs are happy about it. Please put off that shameless BILAL tag your Arab master have place on you; it is shameful and a reminder of the Arab's imperial past and present.


I don't have much to say again about the Sudan. Your ignorance of black history, and the role of Arabs in Africa, is legendary.

The Byzantines were at war with the Muslims because Mohammed literarily declared war on all non-Muslims in his quest to bring them to the fold of the ummah (Quran 9:28-30, hadith 4:52;196 and sahih Muslim hadith 33). Omar ibn kathab took the battle to the non-Muslims in the Arabia and north Africa and conquered many land.

Using the Latinos to make a comparison with Arab is both ignorant and disingenuous on your part. The Latinos are found in both central and south America, most of whom are called the 'red Indians’ or 'native Americans'. Under racial classification, not a single Latino is identified as a negorid but whites. On the other hand, if a black-sudanese, a black-somali or a black-omani, obtain a US citizenship, no sane person will classify them as Arab-americans but black (or African) Americans. This is because they are not genetically or racially Arabs but chose to identify more with the Arabs as a result of over 1000 years of non-symbiotic social interaction which made them subservient to the Arabs and of a lower social status than the Arabs. I can choose to identify with group that I have both cultural and linguistic affinity with but that does not mean that I have to remove my genetic make-up and make a solid claim to a race I never belonged to. This is a classic example of the state the Sudanese and the somalians find themselves in.

Yes, the Igbos (like many black African nations) were primitive before the colonial era. The question is their current social and educational status and not their past. As at today, the Igbos has the highest female literacy rate in Africa and the middle east and are generally regarded as one of the most educated black ethnic group in the world. The medieval Mongols were more developed than the Japanese but today the Japanese are far more technologically and educationally advanced. The Igbos, as at today, are required on the average, to score above 65% to gain admission into any unity school in Nigeria while the Hausa-Fulanis on the average are expected to score 10% in order to secure admission. And as at today, Igbo kids are expected to score the highest to gain admission into any unity school in Nigeria compared to other tribes and ethnic groups in Nigeria. The bar has been set so high, academically, for Igbos and their kids.
What does this statistics tell you?

Islam steals too much time and mental ability from its adherents to be competitive in the intellectual arena. You cannot spend your youthful age and time memorizing the Qur'an and the hadith and expect to compete with Igbos who don't. That's simple logic and commonsense.

The 'commonwealth of nations' were former British colonies just as the Arab league is the union of nations formerly and/or currently under Arab dominion and control, especially after the Islamic conquest. The modern 'Arab League' countries is made people who were aboriginal Arabs from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, etc and their conquered territories such as Sudan, Somalia and Mauritania. It is only an ignorant people that will call these people native Arabs. Their membership of the Arab League does not make them ethnic or genetic Arabs. They are still genetically and biologically of black decent whose culture have been eroded by over 1000 years of unequal social relationship with their Arab masters.
Re: Islam and Racism by najib632(m): 11:21pm On Jan 18, 2019
Demmzy15:


Irrelevant to the topic being discussed, so I'll pass!



I only gave an explanation so as you won't think big of yourself, if I don't reply early, it is also due to the fact I'm busy. So I'm not a jobless tout like you!



Tintinz apostasy has nothing to do with your evangelism, this is what I stated initially.



You were there to count all of them abi grin illiterate! The explanation I gave is very simple and I'll repeat it again in case you have amnesia:

"The slave was freed because he became a Muslim, just as how Bilal who was a black was freed by Abu Bakr because he became Muslim. It was the custom of early Muslims to free other Muslims who are slaves."



Dunce!!! You think you know but you're very ignorant. Bilal's father was an Arab slave from the tribe of Banu Jumah and his mother was from Abyssinia (Ethiopia). He had a dark skin just as how Usamah Ibn Zaid who was like a grandson to Prophet Muhammad also had a dark skin despite having an Arab Father. http://sahaba.net/bilal-rabah-family/



Shut up your dirty mouth, you've been exposed and now you're trying to turn the tables to hide your damned face. I never denied the Arabs conquered lands and territories as this was the norm then, so you don't have any point here. You claimed Sudan was conquered and the people enslaved and you've been proven to be a liar, no Arab armies entered Sudan and the Arabization of the country was done peacefully by it's own people. Rather admitting your failure, you saying rubbish!



Weren't the Byzantines at war with Muslims? if the Christians who started the war were defeated who's problem is that? Hope you're Okay?



I've explained this several times, I'll repeat this from my previous posts:

"Sudan is an example, that's how many communities became Arabs. The Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese, Sudanese, Bahrainis all became Arabs like this. I can't remember vividly the quote but it was by Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah who was probably a Kurd himself. That's how Islam is, you don't know anything. Rather than be arrogant, ask politely and we would teach you Islam. Being an Arab is similar to being a Latino; we have full white Latinos, we have mixed who are known as Mullatos and we have blacks who are Latinos. Yet all are called Latinos, don't be a dummy."



The Golden Age ended in the 13th century. When the Northerners were wearing clothes, your peoplewere still wearing leaves till the late 19th century. Your people had no connection with the outside world not until the Colonialists came (same cannot said with the Northerners), I'm even tempted to say Igbos would have surely been one of those primitive uncontacted tribes that existed in the Americas and India. Heck, Igbo Christians couldn't even translate English Bible to Igbo Language not until a YorubaMan did it for you. You should go and read about Northern Nigeria before Colonialism, and don't for a second think South East is better than North, that's a big fat lie.



I gave an example and hope you know that when you meet your enemies on the battlefield, you don't give them roses?



We are member of 'Commonwealth of Nations' because we were the a former colony of Britain and not because we speak English as there are many member countries whose official language ain't English such as: Cameroon and Bangladesh and some countries who are English speaking but ain't members such as: Republic of Ireland, Burundi and Liberia. So Arab League is a different case as it is for Arab Nations alone, you're just nagging about Sudan, what about Somalia who are blacks but members too?

Read about what is means to be an Arab https://al-bab.com/special-topics/who-are-arabs



When did he make this statement? I need proofs!
Allahu akbar! Please brother give me a guide on how I can gain your knowledge.... pls,pls,pls.

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Re: Islam and Racism by VonScott(m): 12:57pm On Feb 11, 2019
AbuTwins:


Your write up is biased! It just summarised the thinking of a prejudised non-muslim mind towards Islam! You should have included the "Crusades"! What about the European slave trade? What of the colonial slave trade? What of those that brought Christianity with Education i.e. the missionaries? Why do we have Saturdays & Sundays as "holidays" and Friday is not included? Why does Schools have Rectors and Chancellors which are names derived from Church? And the list goes on.

I have given you the textual prove from Islamic books and this does not mean some will go above board or even off board!

I'm no christian, I'd prefer you call me a prejudiced black man. I'm here for the truth, my mission is to re-establish the black african lost glory. Moreover, the topic is 'Islam and Racism'? You might as well ask why there are 24hrs in a day, 7 days a week?
Re: Islam and Racism by AbuTwins: 6:04pm On Feb 14, 2019
VonScott:


I'm no christian, I'd prefer you call me a prejudiced black man. I'm here for the truth, my mission is to re-establish the black african lost glory. Moreover, the topic is 'Islam and Racism'? You might as well ask why there are 24hrs in a day, 7 days a week?


Really Prejudiced indeed!
Re: Islam and Racism by VonScott(m): 1:23pm On Mar 05, 2019
AbuTwins:


Your write up is biased! It just summarised the thinking of a prejudised non-muslim mind towards Islam! You should have included the "Crusades"! What about the European slave trade? What of the colonial slave trade? What of those that brought Christianity with Education i.e. the missionaries? Why do we have Saturdays & Sundays as "holidays" and Friday is not included? Why does Schools have Rectors and Chancellors which are names derived from Church? And the list goes on.

I have given you the textual prove from Islamic books and this does not mean some will go above board or even off board!

About your textual proof!....FOR EVERYONE enjoy!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9wllul1U6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b8Y5jlCiSU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GopAYZC-FM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNBjTgRBQ8Y

Listen, read and be enlightened. There's so much information now it's costly to remain ignorant.

muhammad instituted racism or slavery against blacks in words and deeds. I mean he wrote the very manual for the evil treatment of black people himself. The early europeans i.e. greeks, romans etc. who were slavers themselves even admit slavery based on colour never existed before that guy.

This has gone on for tooo long, but you can save your generations from enslavement.

AFRICA will be great again.
Re: Islam and Racism by VonScott(m): 12:45pm On Mar 07, 2019
Re: Islam and Racism by najib632(m): 3:21pm On Mar 09, 2019
VonScott:


About your textual proof!....FOR EVERYONE enjoy!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9wllul1U6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b8Y5jlCiSU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GopAYZC-FM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNBjTgRBQ8Y

Listen, read and be enlightened. There's so much information now it's costly to remain ignorant.

muhammad instituted racism or slavery against blacks in words and deeds. I mean he wrote the very manual for the evil treatment of black people himself. The early europeans i.e. greeks, romans etc. who were slavers themselves even admit slavery based on colour never existed before that guy.

This has gone on for tooo long, but you can save your generations from enslavement.

AFRICA will be great again.
This a lie may Allah turn the people who fabricated this into Mad men. Where's the lik9e of Bilal ibn Rabah was the first man to call prayer in Islam and mu'adhim of the messenger of Allah S.A.W, were do you live the like if Ammar ibn Yasir? The first Maytr in Islam was a woman named Summayah a black woman and the mother of Ammar and many others that are held in high regard. The Muslims sent a black man as an ambassador to the Byzantines and they laughed at him but Allah disgraced tgem because of the wisdom and intellect he bestowed on him. You haven't read prophet Muhammad S.A.W last sermon. So don't come here and say nonsense.
Re: Islam and Racism by true2god: 9:25pm On Mar 09, 2019
najib632:
This a lie may Allah turn the people who fabricated this into Mad men. Where's the lik9e of Bilal ibn Rabah was the first man to call prayer in Islam and mu'adhim of the messenger of Allah S.A.W, were do you live the like if Ammar ibn Yasir? The first Maytr in Islam was a woman named Summayah a black woman and the mother of Ammar and many others that are held in high regard. The Muslims sent a black man as an ambassador to the Byzantines and they laughed at him but Allah disgraced tgem because of the wisdom and intellect he bestowed on him. You haven't read prophet Muhammad S.A.W last sermon. So don't come here and say nonsense.
Stop this nonsense bro! No Allah anywhere that can make anyone mad.

Bilal, the black poster boy for Islam, was a slave to Abu Bakr, the first rightly guided khalifa and, in one of the hadith of Bukhari, he complained (to Mohammed) why he was still being kept as a slave even after much sacrifice and risk he took for the religion of Mohammed. My dog, no matter how loyal it is, remains my Bingo. It is known fact that more than 99% of black who came in contact with Mohammed were either his slaves or the slaves of his companion. What does that tell you

All other things you claim can never be found in any authentic Islamic source document, either sahih Bukhari, sahih Muslim, sunah abu dawood, al-tirmidih, sunah jbn maggah, or any of the sirah rasol Allah. Stop lying bro, nothing like the last sermon of the prophet (which contradicted the last surah, surah 9 of the Quran). It was concocted by Muslim apologists.
Re: Islam and Racism by najib632(m): 4:20am On Mar 10, 2019
true2god:
Stop this nonsense bro! No Allah anywhere that can make anyone mad.

Bilal, the black poster boy for Islam, was a slave to Abu Bakr, the first rightly guided khalifa and, in one of the hadith of Bukhari, he complained (to Mohammed) why he was still being kept as a slave even after much sacrifice and risk he took for the religion of Mohammed. My dog, no matter how loyal it is, remains my Bingo. It is known fact that more than 99% of black who came in contact with Mohammed were either his slaves or the slaves of his companion. What does that tell you
You're one of the people Allah has made mad already where is the Hadith that bilal was still a slave up to the time of the khilafat of Abubakar? You're very very stupid infact, so what if the slaves were black? Was their treatment better under Islam or not? Did the prophet Muhammad S.A.W die owning any slaves? Did Allah and his messenger not encourage freeing of slaves? You're very stupid ignorant, are the one that will teach us our religion?! All the black scholars people that loved prophet Muhammad S.A.W and would be ready to die to defend him were they mad? Do you even know the status of Ammar ibn Yasir and Bilal ibn Rabah R.A. You're very crazy.

true2god:

All other things you claim can never be found in any authentic Islamic source document, either sahih Bukhari, sahih Muslim, sunah abu dawood, al-tirmidih, sunah jbn maggah, or any of the sirah rasol Allah. Stop lying bro, nothing like the last sermon of the prophet (which contradicted the last surah, surah 9 of the Quran). It was concocted by Muslim apologists.

May Allah disgrace you, have ever seen any of those books you're mentioning? Show me the contradiction the last sermon made with the Qur'an any allegations you make you must provide your proof. Very stupid hypocrite.
Re: Islam and Racism by true2god: 9:15am On Mar 10, 2019
najib632:
You're one of the people Allah has made mad already where is the Hadith that bilal was still a slave up to the time of the khilafat of Abubakar? You're very very stupid infact, so what if the slaves were black? Was their treatment better under Islam or not? Did the prophet Muhammad S.A.W die owning any slaves? Did Allah and his messenger not encourage freeing of slaves? You're very stupid ignorant, are the one that will teach us our religion?! All the black scholars people that loved prophet Muhammad S.A.W and would be ready to die to defend him were they mad? Do you even know the status of Ammar ibn Yasir and Bilal ibn Rabah R.A. You're very crazy.

May Allah disgrace you, have ever seen any of those books you're mentioning? Show me the contradiction the last sermon made with the Qur'an any allegations you make you must provide your proof. Very stupid hypocrite.
Maybe your Allah had made you unreasonable and irrational. You seem to have a comprehension problem; I said Bilal was a slave bought by Abu Bakr but later became a Muslim by following the religion of his slave master. Islam also brought Bilal closer to Mohammed. And I told you that at a time he complained to Mohammed asking for his freedom. Must Bilal beg Mohammed before Mohammed will release him?

You are a compulsive liar to claim that Mohammed and his companions freed all their slaves. They free some (who became Muslims and were equally useful militarily) and also bought many more slaves. Mohammed and his companions were major slave traders and were very proud of it. Stop defending men that enslaved your ancestors, if you are black (which I doubt).

Who told you I never saw the hadith of Bukhari and Muslim? You must be a slowpoke to think that these books are out of reach in this modern day. I currently have sirah rasol Allah by Ibn Ishaq, tafsir of Ibn kathir and Jelalyn on my laptop. I do my research bro!

Don't be a silly spoilt kid.
Re: Islam and Racism by VonScott(m): 11:03am On Mar 11, 2019
najib632:
This a lie may Allah turn the people who fabricated this into Mad men. Where's the lik9e of Bilal ibn Rabah was the first man to call prayer in Islam and mu'adhim of the messenger of Allah S.A.W, were do you live the like if Ammar ibn Yasir? The first Maytr in Islam was a woman named Summayah a black woman and the mother of Ammar and many others that are held in high regard. The Muslims sent a black man as an ambassador to the Byzantines and they laughed at him but Allah disgraced tgem because of the wisdom and intellect he bestowed on him. You haven't read prophet Muhammad S.A.W last sermon. So don't come here and say nonsense.

Lol. Clown! Did you watch the video at all?

All these undocumented scenarios you're cherrypicking yet quick to label HARD FACT as LIES.
Which and which part of your scripture held black people in 'HIGH' regard?
Which part pointed out in the video series is a LIE?

Joker.

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Re: Islam and Racism by najib632(m): 9:08pm On Mar 11, 2019
VonScott:


Lol. Clown! Did you watch the video at all?

All these undocumented scenarios you're cherrypicking yet quick to label HARD FACT as LIES.
Which and which part of your scripture held black people in 'HIGH' regard?
Which part pointed out in the video series is a LIE?

Joker.
From the Qur'an:
“And among His wonders is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the diversity of your tongues and colors. For in this, behold, there are messages indeed for all who are possessed of innate knowledge!” (Quran 30:22).

“Do you not see that Allah sends down rain from the sky? With it We then bring out produce of various colors. And in the mountains are tracts white and red, of various shades of color, and black intense in hue. And so amongst men, and crawling creatures, and cattle – they are of various colors. Those truly fear Allah, among His Servants, who have knowledge. For Allah is Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving” (Quran 35:27-28).

“Oh men! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware” (Quran 49:13).

“And He it is who has brought you all into being out of one living entity, and has appointed for each of you a time-limit on earth, and a resting-place after death. Clearly, indeed, We have spelled out these messages unto people who can grasp the truth!” (Quran 6:98).

“And among His wonders is this: He creates you out of dust, and then, behold! You become human beings ranging far and wide!” (Quran 30:20).

“For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah’s praise – for them, Allah has prepared forgiveness and a great reward” (Quran 33:35).

From the Hadith:
Abu Nadrah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said in the final days of the pilgimrage:

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ أَلَا إِنَّ رَبَّكُمْ وَاحِدٌ وَإِنَّ أَبَاكُمْ وَاحِدٌ أَلَا لَا فَضْلَ لِعَرَبِيٍّ عَلَى أَعْجَمِيٍّ وَلَا لِعَجَمِيٍّ عَلَى عَرَبِيٍّ وَلَا لِأَحْمَرَ عَلَى أَسْوَدَ وَلَا أَسْوَدَ عَلَى أَحْمَرَ إِلَّا بِالتَّقْوَى أَبَلَّغْتُ

O people, your Lord is one and your father Adam is one. There is no favor of an Arab over a foreigner, nor a foreigner over an Arab, and neither white skin over black skin, nor black skin over white skin, except by righteousness. Have I not delivered the message?

Source: Musnad Aḥmad 22978, Grade: Sahih

Uqbah ibn Amir reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

لَيْسَ لأَحَدٍ عَلَى أَحَدٍ فَضْلٌ إِلا بِالدِّينِ أَوْ عَمَلٍ صَالِحٍ حَسْبُ الرَّجُلِ أَنْ يَكُونَ فَاحِشًا بَذِيًّا بَخِيلا جَبَانًا

No one is better than anyone else except by religion or good deeds. It is enough evil for a man to be profane, vulgar, greedy, or cowardly.

Source: Shu’ab al-Imān 4767, Grade: Sahih

Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

انْظُرْ فَإِنَّكَ لَيْسَ بِخَيْرٍ مِنْ أَحْمَرَ وَلَا أَسْوَدَ إِلَّا أَنْ تَفْضُلَهُ بِتَقْوَى

Behold! Verily, you have no virtue over one with white skin or black skin, except by favor of righteousness.

Source: Musnad Aḥmad 20885, Grade: Hasan

Abu Umamah reported: Abu Dharr reproached Bilal about his mother, saying, “O son of a black woman!” Bilal went to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, and he told him what he said. The Prophet became angry and then Abu Dharr came, although he was unaware of what Bilal told him. The Prophet turned away from him and Abu Dharr asked, “O Messenger of Allah, have you turned away because of something you have been told?” The Prophet said:

أَنْتَ الَّذِي تُعَيِّرُ بِلالا بِأُمِّهِ وَالَّذِي أَنْزَلَ الْكِتَابَ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ مَا لأَحَدٍ عَلَيَّ فَضْلٌ إِلا بِعَمَلٍ إِنْ أَنْتُمْ إِلا كَطَفِّ الصَّاعِ

Have you reproached Bilal about his mother? By the one who revealed the Book to Muhammad, none is more virtuous over another except by righteous deeds. You have none but an insignificant amount.

Source: Shu’ab al-Imān 4760, Grade: Sahih

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ أَذْهَبَ عَنْكُمْ عُبِّيَّةَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ وَفَخْرَهَا بِالْآبَاءِ إِنَّمَا هُوَ مُؤْمِنٌ تَقِيٌّ وَفَاجِرٌ شَقِيٌّ النَّاسُ كُلُّهُمْ بَنُو آدَمَ وَآدَمُ خُلِقَ مِنْ تُرَابٍ

Verily, Allah has removed from you the pride of the time of ignorance with its boasting of ancestors. Verily, one is only a righteous believer or a miserable sinner. All of the people are the children of Adam, and Adam was created from dust.

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 3955, Grade: Sahih

In another narration, the Prophet said:

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ أَذْهَبَ عَنْكُمْ عُبِّيَّةَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ وَتَعَاظُمَهَا بِآبَائِهَا فَالنَّاسُ رَجُلَانِ بَرٌّ تَقِيٌّ كَرِيمٌ عَلَى اللَّهِ وَفَاجِرٌ شَقِيٌّ هَيِّنٌ عَلَى اللَّهِ وَالنَّاسُ بَنُو آدَمَ وَخَلَقَ اللَّهُ آدَمَ مِنْ تُرَابٍ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ مِنْ ذَكَرٍ وَأُنْثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ

O people, Allah has removed the slogans of ignorance from you and the exaltation of its forefathers. The people are only two kinds: either a righteous, Godfearing believer dignified to Allah, or a wicked, miserable sinner insignificant to Allah. The people are all the children of Adam and Adam was created from dust. Allah said: O people, We have created you male and female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know one another. Verily, the most noble to Allah is the most righteous of you. (49:13)

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 3270, Grade: Sahih

And in another narration, the Prophet said:

وَمَنْ بَطَّأَ بِهِ عَمَلُهُ لَمْ يُسْرِعْ بِهِ نَسَبُهُ

Whoever is slow to good deeds will not be hastened by his lineage.

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2699, Grade: Sahih

Jubair ibn Mut’im reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

لَيْسَ مِنَّا مَنْ دَعَا إِلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ وَلَيْسَ مِنَّا مَنْ قَاتَلَ عَلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ وَلَيْسَ مِنَّا مَنْ مَاتَ عَلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ

He is not one of us who calls to tribalism. He is not one of us who fights for the sake of tribalism. He is not one of us who dies following the way of tribalism.

Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 5102, Grade: Sahih

Those who attribute racism to Islam are ignorant of it and those who accuse the messenger of Allah S.A.W of racism should beware or else the hell fire will be their abode!
Re: Islam and Racism by najib632(m): 6:29pm On Mar 13, 2019
true2god:
Maybe your Allah had made you unreasonable and irrational. You seem to have a comprehension problem; I said Bilal was a slave bought by Abu Bakr but later became a Muslim by following the religion of his slave master. [/b]Islam also brought Bilal closer to Mohammed. And I told you that at a time he complained to Mohammed asking for his freedom. Must Bilal beg Mohammed before Mohammed will release him?
You're a foolish and stupid kaafir, You don't even know the story of bilal but you claim to have a great book of seerah on your laptop, everyone knows Abubakar R.A. saved bilal from torture by buying him as a slave and freeing him. You come here to talk about things you don't know, this is a sign of stupidity.

true2god:

You are a compulsive liar to claim that [b]Mohammed and his companions freed all their slaves.
They free some (who became Muslims and were equally useful militarily) and also bought many more slaves. Mohammed and his companions were major slave traders and were very proud of it. Stop defending men that enslaved your ancestors, if you are black (which I doubt).
You're a slanderer and lier, show me where I said Muhammad S.A.W and his companions freed all their slaves, stupid lier. I said Muhammad S.A.W did not die owning any slave, if he did provide an evidence for me that he did.

true2god:


Who told you I never saw the hadith of Bukhari and Muslim? You must be a slowpoke to think that these books are out of reach in this modern day. I currently have sirah rasol Allah by Ibn Ishaq, tafsir of Ibn kathir and Jelalyn on my laptop. I do my research bro!
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Don't be a silly spoilt kid.
If you did your research you wouldn't be talking out of gross ignorance with all pride. You have all this books but you don't read them. You're a usless lier.
Re: Islam and Racism by true2god: 1:17pm On Mar 15, 2019
najib632:
You're a foolish and stupid kaafir, You don't even know the story of bilal but you claim to have a great book of seerah on your laptop, everyone knows Abubakar R.A. saved bilal from torture by buying him as a slave and freeing him. You come here to talk about things you don't know, this is a sign of stupidity.
So the sirah is now a great book after the Nairaland Muslims have condemned it as fake. The story of how Bilal was bought is recorded in the hadith. You cannot get a full info on him in the sirah.


najib632:
You're a slanderer and lier, show me where I said Muhammad S.A.W and his companions freed all their slaves, stupid lier. I said Muhammad S.A.W did not die owning any slave, if he did provide an evidence for me that he did.
Can you quote the source of your claim from an authentic Islamic tradition?

najib632:
If you did your research you wouldn't be talking out of gross ignorance with all pride. You have all this books but you don't read them. You're a usless lier.
I think I do more research on Islam than you. I have been studying Islam for over 5 years.

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