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Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by LordReed(m): 5:19pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
johnydon22: What is moral value? |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by ABCthings: 5:46pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
johnydon22:'cause the clones or whatever will still be humans. |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 6:39pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
ABCthings: And what is wrong in killing humans? |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 6:39pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Hermes019: I can think of two instances 1. Yes it does 2. No it doesn't. What will your answer be for each instance |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 6:41pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Martinez39:But you agree that what you as the clone think or feel has absolutely no binding effect on the people that made you, correct? |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 6:43pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Hermes019: I do think that it is self explanatory. But let me try again; A creator can do whatever it pleases with its creations. The same moral constraints do not apply for the created and the creator. Clear now? |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by Martinez39(m): 6:45pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
johnydon22:Yes. |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 6:49pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Martinez39:Ok. Fair enough |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by ABCthings: 7:30pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
johnydon22:Jesus! see question :O Ask yourself what is wrong if I decided to finish you Seriously what's wrong? -It's illegal why is it illegal? -Morality If I see nothing wrong in killing you I might still do it ~secretly But if I believe something is wrong even if it legal I won't do it. So killing humans itself is not wrong unless you faith tells you something else. 1 Like |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 8:05pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
ABCthings: You didn't really answer my question. You just said it's wrong without telling me why and how? I repeat; what makes killing humans wrong? I need you to think deeper here. |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by ABCthings: 8:34pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
johnydon22:And I said killing is wrong just because we believe it's wrong. |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 8:45pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
ABCthings:No! There's more to it than that, surely. To start with, unless the killed desires to be killed, you'd be depriving someone of something that belongs to that person. Also, if killing weren't wrong you would not mind me killing you, which I'm sure you would! I'm reckoning you'd defend yourself if I tried to kill you, and that's evidence you don't like being killed. |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 8:47pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
ABCthings:Killing or killing a human? |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 8:48pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
budaatum:That is to first assume depriving someone of what belongs to them is wrong. Lol Not liking something isn't same thing as that thing being wrong, is it? |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 8:54pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
johnydon22:So, when I come to your home and clear it out and deprive you of all you've worked really hard to accumulate, you would not mind? johnydon22:I guess we should just put it to the test shall we? Send me your address please. |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by ABCthings: 9:08pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
budaatum:So the US killing Osama Bin Laden is wrong abi? even if I don't want to be killed you killing me doesn't make your action wrohg. |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by ABCthings: 9:10pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
johnydon22:Both |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 9:19pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
ABCthings: So, if i kill a chicken i am as morally wrong as killing a human? |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 9:23pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
budaatum:Me minding doesn't make anything right or wrong. I need you guys to really catch up on moral arguments i don't even know how else to explain it. You said killing is wrong Why? Because it deprives someone of something that belongs to them. Then, why is depriving someone of his stuff wrong? This is the next question. It is a simple question Budaatum; Not liking something isn't same as right or wrong, is it? |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by ABCthings: 9:40pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
johnydon22:How do I say it so you understand BELIEVES!, BELIVES!! it all about BELIEVES!!! if i go to a place where they think chickens are demi-gods and kill a chick I'll be sure they will roast me alive. So once again it's BELIEVES |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 10:14pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
ABCthings:Ok, you are saying the fundamental bit of morality is the belief in a value for the subject and not the action. E.g: the reason why someone would say killing a human is wrong is that they somehow believe human life is somewhat special (sacred if you will) and that is what makes killing it different from any other. Same applies for people who think killing a cow or a chicken is wrong. Right? |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by ABCthings: 10:32pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
johnydon22:Right. So since clones are humans they should be treated as so. |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 11:02pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
johnydon22:I presented my argument. I brought it into your home for you to decide. I used your preferences as my criteria to determine whether it's right or wrong. I've arranged with my people to visit you. All you have to do is tell me you are happy and I will agree with you. My position is that morality is in the eye of whom it affects, you, in this instance. Where's your address please? |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 11:23pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
budaatum:Again, i ask; if i find it wrong, why is it wrong? You got to keep up dude. Even if i entertain this obviously peurile conceptualization of morality, it will still come back to the same moral problem. Lol |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 11:25pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
ABCthings: Fair enough. |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 11:50pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
johnydon22:It's wrong because you find it wrong! Just as I might find you calling my conceptualisation puerile, wrong. After all, I may be offended. But of what concern should my hurt ego be of yours? I think the issue here might be that you might be one of those objective moralists while I'm not. I might not find an act wrong but you might. And that's perfectly okay with me especially if its an act with consequences that affect you and if my morals happen to include not ignoring how my action affects you.. Take for instance, slapping you. I may find great pleasure in the act of lifting up my arm, directing my palm towards you, and at a high velocity hitting it against your face. But I might accept the fact that you might not like being slapped. If you do however, not mind, I've met a soul mate who would enjoy being slapped by me all day long which I highly enjoy. And if you do mind, well, who cares what you think as long as I have my fun? I'm stating how I feel about a thing, johnydon22, and what I find moral or immoral for me to do, and not establishing some moral code that everyone has to subscribe to. After all, I'm only buda, and not some god who gets to dictate to others what they must or can or can't or mustn't do. Let me know if I may slap you please. 2 Likes |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 11:52pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
johnydon22:Please know that your reasons for liking or not liking me slapping you or thinking its right or wrong is irrelevant to me. |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 12:11am On Mar 20, 2019 |
ABCthings:Killing anyone is wrong for me, ABC, regardless of whether the killed likes it or not. It's so wrong for me that I can't possibly kill anyone. And in my opinion, killing OBL is wrong too especially if he could have been captured (and I believe he could have), and tried for his crimes which is what I'd prefer. Thankfully, no one is asking me to pass judgement on his killers, but if I were, they'd be guilty as charged. |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by asalimpo(m): 3:51am On Mar 20, 2019 |
tartar9:Are you human? |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 7:44am On Mar 20, 2019 |
budaatum: Lol. The dilemma of secular morality, moral conclusions without basis. This thing is wrong to me It is not wrong to mr B Therefore it is not even wrong at all. Something like morality cannot be personal or it's simply meaningless. And even if it is personal, you still must have a derivative basis to it which you seem not have. Killing is wrong Why? Because it is to me. Lmao that's funny! You people are funny! |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 12:26pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
johnydon22:Unfortunately, morality is precisely like that. Homosexuality is one to note. If you're gay in Nigeria you are going to hell while UK has a Gay Parade and neither can give a reason the other will accept. But hey! If you think we are so puerile and funny and worthy of your condescension you are very welcome to educate us with your view and raise our morals to your lofty level please. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by johnydon22(m): 1:13pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
budaatum:Actually, it isn't. Lmao. There are Christians in both Nigeria and Uk that believe a homosexual is going to hell. Innit? Oh i think your arguments on morality is peurile alright. I have not even made 1 moral claim. I have only been asking how you reach a moral conclusion of which you seem unable to say. Isn't that funny? Again i ask, why is killing wrong? |
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