Kingzeez10:

Didinrin àgbà
Leave our religion and face yours

Oloriburuku ni e.

Have you ever see an Islamic gathering that never make Christian, Bible and Christianity there point of conversation.

You useless hypocrite.

Firebomber:


Lol, and I guess you don't know that version mean translation.

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the Catholic Bible contains 73 books in total, as opposed to the Protestant’s 66 books which refuses them.The Hafs and Warsh both have the same 114 chapters.
Where is the remaining 7 books from The Catholic bible that is needed to complete the Protestant bible.That is what version means, translation means language change, it doesn't mean version(In versions,there are upgrades and downgrades),just like the -7 books from the bible

Firebomber:


Oloriburuku ni e.

Have you ever see an Islamic gathering that never make Christian, Bible and Christianity there point of conversation.

You useless hypocrite.

Oponu Afọ́fun gbemu
Aláìní laakaye Akin danidani
Leave our religion and face yours
If you like call us head slammers, call us Yoruba muslims we like it like that

Firebomber:


Lol, and I guess you don't know that version mean translation.

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Don’t be mischievous, Version is different from translation. Catholic bible has 73 books while KJV has 66 books, some words in the king James Version have been expunged from the Revised standard Version.

advocatejare:
Listen to yourself, how can you see what was burnt already, when you knew how ruthless and bloodthirsty your jihadists were? Anybody that dared not to bring out his own diverse codice out to be burnt would be ruthlessly dealt with. You cant see it but we can see the aftermath and the most prominent one is the war between Shia and Sunnis which can never end

I have been simply reading comments but felt I have to at least make an observation about ur assertion. There has never been in recorded history of humanity, of any dictatorship that was able to successfully suppress the people with 100% compliance. Go ask the Hitlers of this world. And the Shi'a Sunni conflict is not about authenticity of the Qur'an but rather leadership succession

nutarious:
There is a way you tell yourself lies and want to believe the lies, at such point the lies looks like truth.

But when it's tested in open experiments, such lies won't or can't hold.

Muslims believe Quran is perfect, yet it was Compiled by a Man, can you believe that, that the Human brain is capable of retaining such verse?

Yet, Muslim choose to believe much of this unproven tendencies.

If you agree He was good in Memmorizing, why did he also gather from old writen ones around.

Also, robots have not been produced to 100% efficiency, not to talk of Man.

So we all should just believe a Man was perfect enough to write and we believe this man was absolutely correct.

When Religion is beyond facts and truths it has become illusion.

I recommend you dont post such things again. Your other Muslim. Brethren won't be happy

I know more than 10 people who have memorised the Qur'an, God willing I too will soon join them. Memorisation is not really hard, being a child and piety also helps a lot because it requires dedication. Being consistent with it keeps it in the memory. During memorisation you expected to revise consistently, lets say i have memorised 36 pages I am expected to revise everything which can be done in a maximum of 1 hour and a minimum of 45 to 50 mins. By the time i have reached 72 pages I would'nt need to be revising upto 2 hours or 1 hr 30 mins. I would just be revising my previous memorisations during the week then i will use a day for a thorough revision which would cover everything I have memorised. I will keep on doing so till I memorise the Qur'an. And after memorising the Qur'an it becomes compulsory for you to perform tahajud (a sort of night vigil), reciting nothing less than 20+ pages.

Why are you people Very intolerant about issues concerning Islam. Are you thr one to teach us our religion? I've never seen any Muslim on this forum that faults anything post about Christianity every Sunday. Why can't you spare us all these bigotries from you guys and focus on the Religion single handedly created by St Paul.
Very intolerant folks

LivingSage:
Why are you people Very intolerant about issues concerning Islam. Are you thr one to teach us our religion? I've never seen any Muslim on this forum that faults anything post about Christianity every Sunday. Why can't you spare us all these bigotries from you guys and focus on the Religion single handedly created by St Paul.
Very intolerant folks

This will be their answer to you!

Rashduct4luv:


Elizabeths is more logical because it is in the Bible. Marys is illogical because it is in the Qur'an.
OK, Bye.

It is known fact that islam and logic does not go together.

true2god:
You have done excellently well. Mohammd will be shocked if he sees today's copy of the quran produced by the khalifas for their political gain. Omar Ibn Kathab was the brain behind the quran while Zaid ibn Thabit was only used as a project supervisor for the compilation of the quran.

Can he read?

Takara:


There are ideological differences between the Sunni and Shia which started from who is supposed to be the first Caliph of Islam. It is not about authenticity or otherwise of the Qur’an.
They both use the same Qur’an.

Unlike Christians who have different versions. I repeat Douay version has 73 books while the King James Version has 66 books!

That's not true, don't think that you're talking to a neophyte in Islam or in Islamic history. The major cause of Shia/Sunni rift is the issue of Muhammad's successor. Shia believed that there's a portion of the Quran where it was revealed that Ali would be Muhammad's successor but the Sunni led by Aisha and Abu Bakr conspired against Ali to make Abu Bakr the successor.

Even Muhammad himself Proclaimed Ali as his deputy while he was alive, and he said Ali was to him how Aaron was to Moses but Aisha and Abu Bakr conspired against Ali and till date Shia believe that they deliberately removed the portion of the Quran that endorses Ali as Muhammad's successor.

The authentic Hadith of Bukhari confirms this
Volume 5 Book 59 Hadith 700

Narrated By Sad
Allah's Apostle set out for Tabuk. appointing 'Ali as his deputy (in Medina). 'Ali said, "Do you want to leave me with the children and women?" The Prophet said, "Will you not be pleased that you will be to me like Aaron to Moses? But there will be no prophet after me."

olarid01:


What's my own problem with your bible? You are the insecure daft fellow that insisted on saying rubish on what you know nothing about. I raised a valid point and the best you could come up with is that? Pathetic little fool

God deals with the jews not arabs

[b][/b] You can't talk about Islam until u understand it well. And you can't understand it until you get a reliable source/thought by Islamic scholar. Anyway, the whole Qur'an written or recorded doesn't contradict one another because all the manuscript pass the same message. That is Islam meaning total submission to your creator and associating nothing to him in terms of whoship. Furthermore you see this pis for your guidance on Islam. Thanks

Rashduct4luv:


Compound liar! Quote the hadith in full! Who is the one narrating the hadith?

I don't expect you to accept it. how about this :

Sahih Muslim Book 13: 4016Ibn
Abbas reported: When Allah’s
Messenger (may peace be upon him)
was about to leave this world, there
were persons (around him) in his
house, ‘Umar b. al-Kbattab being one
of them. Allah’s Apostle (may peace
be upon him) said: Come, I MAY WRITE FOR
YOU A DOCUMENTS ; YOU WOULD NOT GO
ASTRAY AFTER THAT. Thereupon Umar said:
Verily Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon
him) is deeply
afflicted with pain. You have the
Qur’an with you. The Book of Allah is
sufficient for us. Those who were
present in the house differed. Some
of them said: Bring him (the writing
material) so that Allah’s Messenger
(may peace be upon him) may write a
document for you and you would
NEVER GO ASTRAY after him And some
among them said what ‘Umar had
(already) said. When they indulged in
nonsense and began to dispute in the
presence of Allah’s Messenger (may
peace be upon him), he said: Get up
(and go away) ‘Ubaidullah said: Ibn
Abbas used to say: THERE WAS A
HEAVY LOSS, INDEED A HEAVY LOSS,
that, due to their dispute and noise.
Allah’s Messenger (may peace be
upon him) COULD NOT WRITE (OR DICTATE)
THE DOCUMENTS FOR THEM.

These Hadiths state one thing clearly, which is that Mohammed died with a revelation which he wanted to speak out but could not/did not. He wanted to give the
Muslims something of importance which will keep them on the right path. But he could not write it because of the commotion around him.This revelation remains unspoken and unwritten and went to the grave with Mohammed. What does this say about the Quran?

I am not here to argue that the quran is or not the word of God. But some things absolutely makes no sense to me. It is easy to memorize when you already have a copy to memorize from. But saying people memorize all 6000+ verses perfectly when it was given to them orally in the 7th century is illogical. Why did they have to compile from some that were written on animal skin? The compiler could as well taken it from his own memory.

So understand. This message is the same. The Qur'an in Nigeria is the same one in China,USA and others.

Chimanet:
I am not here to argue that the quran is or not the word of God. But some things absolutely makes no sense to me. It is easy to memorize when you already have a copy to memorize from. But saying people memorize all 6000+ verses perfectly when it was given to them orally in the 7th century is illogical. Why did they have to compile from some that were written on animal skin? The compiler could as well taken it from his own memory.

you are wrong. Those people i.e the companion of the prophet Muhammad S.A..W have protections, and for what ever reason you think otherwise, Qur'an hold the same message right from the Allah's apostle to date

Rashduct4luv:


I have nothing to say anymore than what i have stated. Arabic is not English and it is used like that in the Language.
I can't force you to believe in my position so believe whatever you want.
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If your greek scriptures uses daughter of Aaron to mean descendant then ours use Sister to mean that. This is not literal meaning!

The Arabic word for sister is what was used يٰٓأُخْتَ you can't bobo us.. How can one's great grandfathers of multiple generations be his brother? That's the problem of cramming without understanding, Muhammad obviously heard the story of Miriam and Mary from his Jewish friends or neighbors and he mixed the two names and personalities up. He didn't know that Miriam the sister يٰٓأُخْتَ of Moses and Aaron was not the same as Mary the mother of Jesus.
I feel your pains, it's not easy defending such a glaring error.

abkyero:
you are wrong. Those people i.e the companion of the prophet Muhammad S.A..W have protections, and for what ever reason you think otherwise, Qur'an hold the same message right from the Allah's apostle to date

You are saying something different. Am not talking about the content of the book. Am talking about believing without facts that 7 century people compiled the exact message (no addition no subtraction) of Mohammad correctly given the limitations at that time.

And I have been thinking lately, why are muslims made to believe that a book made by humans in the 7th century is 100% correct. And why is the book trying so hard to validate itself. And why was statement like We sent this book .... and all that written. Allah and who?

OfficialAPCNig:

You want to deceive me with Taqqiya abi? Kindly deceive your fellow Yoruba Moslems.

Zayd started compiling the Koran 20 years after your rosul's death.

Some of the verses of the Koran that were written down in the time of Mohammed were destroyed in the war that killed many of Mohammed companions.

There were different versions of Koran after the compilation. Umar ordered the ummah to burn them.

You knew Mary the mother of Jesus is not the same as Miriam the sister of Aaron, so why did zayd portrayed the two as the same.

At least you agreed that one man compiled the Koran, so how are you sure he didn't utter it even by a single letter?

He divided the Koran into verses and re-arranged them. That is why some portions are illogical, disjointed and incoherent.

Dont deceive us.

More wisdom of God bros...

true2god:
This can also help to get diffrent versions of the quran:

https://submission.org/verify_are_all_Arabic_versions_of_Quran_the_same.html

See what Ravi Zachariah or Christian prince have to say about the Quran on youtube.

sulasa07:

the Catholic Bible contains 73 books in total, as opposed to the Protestant’s 66 books which refuses them.The Hafs and Warsh both have the same 114 chapters.
Where is the remaining 7 books from The Catholic bible that is needed to complete the Protestant bible.That is what version means, translation means language change, it doesn't mean version(In versions,there are upgrades and downgrades),just like the -7 books from the bible

I don't need to waste time with you guys. So it now the number of book in the Bible after you have been busted of quran version. You people are hilarious

Takara:

Don’t be mischievous, Version is different from translation. Catholic bible has 73 books while KJV has 66 books, some words in the king James Version have been expunged from the Revised standard Version.

I don't need to waste time with you guys. So it now the number of book in the Bible after you have been busted of quran version. You people are hilarious

Firebomber:



I don't need to waste time with you guys. So it now the number of book in the Bible after you have been busted of quran version. You people are hilarious

Busted what? Looks like you've been watching too many Disney fictional movies.

Firebomber:

I don't need to waste time with you guys. So it now the number of book in the Bible after you have been busted of quran version. You people are hilarious

You didn’t bust anything, there is only one Qur’an, I challenge you to show us any other version of the Qur’an

nutarious:
Now for people that have quoted me, saying the Quran was memmorized by people 100%.

All you could recommend is Google which I will accept is your personal opinion.


But that's not my arquement.

This single man didn't have a single copy like the suppose Muslims who already had a copy.


Get me well, there was no copy, the memmorized Quran was oral, it was Muhammad that got the verbal Quran and Communicated the words orally to the Congregation over a period of years and as such the ones memmorizing the verbal words didn't write it down

Infact what we heard from proper research is that different students of Muhammad memmorzed different verses of the oral Quran they heard from Muhammad which was lost in the war.

You must be a superb and 100% efficient to store a story fro 20years without forgetting.

But that was not even the case here, this Man calls other remaining students like himself to get the remnants with them and also source from the ones written on bones and caves to get this current one you call Quran

So is not same as memmorizing this one already composed

Virtually, since he called others to get Information from them and also get from caves, then there is absolute proof he didn't retain all in his brain as you would have want us to believe in his super human abilities.

See like I said, lies can be believed to the point of thinking or accepting its true.

Just illusion

We know dodos like you. Anything beyond the capacity of your tiny brain is an illusion.

Your vaginally delivered god will be crying for you now. Pathetic!

Takara:


You didn’t bust anything, there is only one Qur’an, I challenge you to show us any other version of the Qur’an

As if, if he showed you it will affect anything.. You guys should just know the time of empirical analysis is here.

Enough of those imam said or malam said, you will put your faith in Zaid to have written perfectly, Zaid must be another prophet lol.

The Quran was not perfectly written Q. E. D

advocatejare:
The Arabic word for sister is what was used يٰٓأُخْتَ you can't bobo us.. How can one's great grandfathers of multiple generations be his brother? That's the problem of cramming without understanding, Muhammad obviously heard the story of Miriam and Mary from his Jewish friends or neighbors and he mixed the two names and personalities up. He didn't know that Miriam the sister يٰٓأُخْتَ of Moses and Aaron was not the same as Mary the mother of Jesus.
I feel your pains, it's not easy defending such a glaring error.

You can feel my pains right? Am I suffering on a cross or is it a stake? This is not a crucifixion so I have no pains!
.
You believe in the Qur'an but reject the Sunnah whereas we believe both.
.
You picked the verse that favours you in the Qur'an that that talked about marry as sister of Aaron. Then you reject an authentic hadith that explains this.
.
Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse: O sister of Aaron (19:28), whereas Moses was born long before Jesus by such-and-such years.” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said:

Verily, they would name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had gone before them.
Source: Sahih Muslim 2135, Grade: Sahih

Christians are full of liars!

malvisguy212:
I don't expect you to accept it. how about this :

Sahih Muslim Book 13: 4016Ibn
Abbas reported: When Allah’s
Messenger (may peace be upon him)
was about to leave this world, there
were persons (around him) in his
house, ‘Umar b. al-Kbattab being one
of them. Allah’s Apostle (may peace
be upon him) said: Come, I MAY WRITE FOR
YOU A DOCUMENTS ; YOU WOULD NOT GO
ASTRAY AFTER THAT. Thereupon Umar said:
Verily Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon
him) is deeply
afflicted with pain. You have the
Qur’an with you. The Book of Allah is
sufficient for us. Those who were
present in the house differed. Some
of them said: Bring him (the writing
material) so that Allah’s Messenger
(may peace be upon him) may write a
document for you and you would
NEVER GO ASTRAY after him And some
among them said what ‘Umar had
(already) said. When they indulged in
nonsense and began to dispute in the
presence of Allah’s Messenger (may
peace be upon him), he said: Get up
(and go away) ‘Ubaidullah said: Ibn
Abbas used to say: THERE WAS A
HEAVY LOSS, INDEED A HEAVY LOSS,
that, due to their dispute and noise.
Allah’s Messenger (may peace be
upon him) COULD NOT WRITE (OR DICTATE)
THE DOCUMENTS FOR THEM.

These Hadiths state one thing clearly, which is that Mohammed died with a revelation which he wanted to speak out but could not/did not. He wanted to give the
Muslims something of importance which will keep them on the right path. But he could not write it because of the commotion around him.This revelation remains unspoken and unwritten and went to the grave with Mohammed. What does this say about the Quran?

It says nothing about the Qur'an because the Qur'an was already completed before he died.
.
Look for another excuse.

Chimanet:

It is known fact that islam and logic does not go together.

Does your belief go with logic?

Firebomber:


No wonder you memorize without understanding it.

Don't someone tell this head slammer that cramming is different from understanding it?

No wonder your religion is full of cramming terrorist.

Tell me is Jesus a terrorist too?

Jesus killed pass Boko Haram, ISIS, ISWAP and others combined together

The deaths cause by Jesus are as follows;
https://www.nairaland.com/5581199/meek-jesus-vs-cruel-jesus
https://www.nairaland.com/5581305/after-moses-joshua-continues-terror
https://www.nairaland.com/5581249/punishment-not-following-jesus-god
https://www.nairaland.com/5581156/untold-stories-bible-tell-us
https://www.nairaland.com/5581273/terrific-jesus-commands-moses-kill
https://www.nairaland.com/5583033/more-terror-lord-jesus