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Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 8:50pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
1 John 5:7 in the KJV contains these words called the Johannine Comma (also known as the Comma Johanneum or the Heavenly Witnesses). Why this verse was not found in some translations today: Was it fraudulent inserted? OR Was omitted from Ancient Greek? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by DappaD: 9:01pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
Emusan: A spurious addition to the Holy Scriptures just so Trinitarians can carry on in their folly. Verse 6 acts as a precedent of what to expect at the later verses. 3 Likes |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:05pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
DappaD: Who added it? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Nobody: 9:13pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
Emusan: YES it was!
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Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by DappaD: 9:18pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
Emusan:I think just typing those words ‘Comma Johannine’ on Google would bring up several websites you can check on.
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Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:19pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
Maximus69:The question is, who added it? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:21pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
DappaD: Since you have done that and got your answer, now answer my question in a simpler form! Who added it? Very simple |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by DappaD: 9:24pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
Emusan:I won't spoonfeed you lol. You're going to have to learn how to do research 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:26pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
DappaD: I've done my research and I've never seen or read anywhere about WHO ADDED IT! Now, if you know the person who added it, kindly provide the name with the link here 2 Likes |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Nobody: 9:27pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
Emusan: It's the Council of Nicaea under the chairmanship of Emperor Constantine! That's when so many pagan philosophies were added to believe of the church! |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by DappaD: 9:29pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
Emusan: 1. Yes it was fraudulently included. Usual Catholic Church propaganda — King James also added the interpolation in his Bible. 2. What wasn't there in the first place can't be omitted. 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:32pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
Maximus69: Now we're going somewhere! Which means the text didn't appear in any written or book before the council of Nicea took place, right? 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:34pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
DappaD: By who? At least the fraudulent inclusion should be traced to someone or group or year 2. What wasn't there in the first place can't be omitted. You mean it wasn't in the any known manuscripts or what? 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Nobody: 9:44pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
Emusan:YES! |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by DappaD: 9:47pm On Aug 03, 2020 |
Emusan: 1. The screenshot I shared said it was Erasmus, a so-called ‘Christian’ scholar who added it to his Bible in the year 1522 before other translators picked it up – including King James. 2. When compared with more reliable ancient manuscripts, those additions weren't found — particularly when compared with the Masoretes scrolls. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:44am On Aug 04, 2020 |
DappaD: But the text has been known before that time and even appeared in the oldest Latin Manuscript of 4th Century. ATTENTION! ATTENTION!! ATTENTION!!! I want to draw your attention to the same screenshot you first shared. The last statement in that screenshot read: "It was not always included in the first printed Latin translation of the Bible, but the editors of sixto-Clementine Vulgate (1592) chose to print it [1John 5:7] along with a number of other SPURIOUS PASSAGES" If you can recall, your first post on this thread started with "A spurious addition to the Holy Scriptures... Now from the statement above, there are OTHER SPURIOUS PASSAGES not only 1 John 5:7 Do you know some of these SPURIOUS PASSAGES are in the same 1 John 5 which many translations including your NWT which refused to have 1 John 5:7 still have till today? But as we just started on this, I'll leave that to another time. 2. When compared with more reliable ancient manuscripts, those additions weren't found — particularly when compared with the Masoretes scrolls. Now what you called more RELIABLE manuscripts also has some omittions which can only be traced to the other manuscripts you're talking about and these omittions still exist in the same translations that rejected the COMMA. This shows that many people who rejected the COMMA don't know much about it rather than the lies they have been told that it's a spurious addition. 2 Likes |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by DappaD: 9:46am On Aug 04, 2020 |
Emusan: That was before I did further research. “In the fourth century C.E., in a Latin treatise, an overzealous advocate of Trinitarianism evidently included the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the holy spirit; and these three are one” as if these were a quotation from 1 John 5:7. Later that passage was put right into the text of a Latin Bible manuscript.” Source — ‘The Word of God Endures Forever’ The Watchtower, October 1, 1997 |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:47am On Aug 04, 2020 |
Maximus69: So how come many prominent Christian writers who live long before the council of Nicea quoted and alluded to the same text? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:52am On Aug 04, 2020 |
DappaD: Smile..... Just like I said, a lot of you don't know anything about the Comma apart from the lies you're being told. So who is this OVERZEALOUS TRINITARIAN? Doesn't the person have name? What time was it added? If these questions can be answered, then we'll know where we're going. So are you now denying that there are no OTHER SPURIOUS PASSAGES apart from 1 John 5:7 in the Bible? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by DappaD: 10:01am On Aug 04, 2020 |
Emusan:Oga that interpolation was added in the scriptures by trinitarians. You call it lies, yet it's not only one source that's disputing that falsehood. There are other several spurious additions to the scriptures. Two of which are 1. The additional verses at Mark 16. Old reliable manuscripts ended at verse 8. Other translators added verses 9-20 as seen in the KJV Bible. 2. A good number of ancient and authoritative manuscripts skip verses found at John 7:53 – 8:11. All them KJV and NIV translators then manufactured those scriptures and added it in the Bible for reasons known to them. Older, reliable manuscripts start John 8 at verse 12. 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Nobody: 10:18am On Aug 04, 2020 |
Emusan: That's impossible. Before the council all the texts were exactly as written and copies from the first century. So there is no way anyone could have inserted any addition earlier than the 325 ad when the council sat. But if you have any proof that it was there before 325 ad, i'm willing to learn more! 2 Likes |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 8:42pm On Aug 04, 2020 |
Maximus69: I didn't say it was inserted earlier than council of Nicea but PEOPLE ARE USING THE TEXT BEFORE THE COUNCIL OF NICEA which nullified you assertion that the text only first appeared during the council of Nicea. Which then leads us to how people get familiar with such a text if its origin not yet known? Of course, many references of people who quoted or alluded to the text will be provided here when I'm done collating people opinions about their understanding of the COMMA! 2 Likes |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 8:56pm On Aug 04, 2020 |
DappaD: That's why I said, the Trinitarian who added it doesn't have name. What time was it added? There are other several spurious additions to the scriptures. Two of which are The spurious addition I'm even talking about is from the same 1 John 5 not even from another which your own translation still have while rejecting 1 John 5 :7 2. A good number of ancient and authoritative manuscripts skip verses found at John 7:53 – 8:11. All them KJV and NIV translators then manufactured those scriptures and added it in the Bible for reasons known to them. But NIV also rejected the COMMA Also, text not found in one place doesn't mean it/they wasn't/didn't there in the first place. Which is the basis for this thread. 2 Likes |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:04pm On Aug 04, 2020 |
DappaD: OK I've seen where you added time to it. Just like my reply to your brother above, the text COMMA has been in existence and in used before fourth Century which makes the information provided by Watchtower inaccurate. If Watchtower didn't know the text has been in used ling before fourth century, we can then ask, what else they didn't know other than information provided here? 3 Likes |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Nobody: 9:51pm On Aug 04, 2020 |
Emusan: Simply quote, you're waiting for who will tell you how it was inserted shey? I stand by my word that it was never part of the scriptures before the time of the council Sir! 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by DappaD: 11:20pm On Aug 04, 2020 |
Maximus69:Emusan is looking for who to spoonfeed him 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Nobody: 5:27am On Aug 05, 2020 |
DappaD: His mind is twisted and his now trying to find a way out as it's now becoming clearer to him that the same JWs whom he has been criticising all his life happens to be the one and only group having the knowledge he seek! If i were Emusan i will be on my knees now asking JWs to forgive me. Just imagine, Emusan open a topic that's of real significance and none of his cohorts came saying anything except JWs. Is that not enough evidence to prove that they're all gullibly following the tradition they met? Why is it that it's only JWs that could say something about what he is seeking to find? Jesus said we shouldn't bother, because we are the light of the world! Matthew 5:14-16 So let him continue in his pigheadedness after all he always claim JWs are hypocrites, so let's see those who will come and chat with him on what he is seeking! 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 7:58pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
Maximus69: I didn't wait for anyone, rather you're the one who didn't know how it was inserted. Rather my point still stands, it was already in use before the council of Nicea. I stand by my word that it was never part of the scriptures before the time of the council Sir! If it was never part of the scripture, that's why I asked, how come people quote or alluded to it before the council of Nicea? Since you requested for a proof, all you have to do is to sit and relax then wait for your proof. Just like I said, the lies that has been sold to you is that it was inserted during the council of Nicea, so any evidence of it being used before that time should tell you what could possibly happen to the text. 2 Likes |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 8:02pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
DappaD: You're the one who needed to be spoonfeed because you only knew that the text first appeared at the council of Nicea when it's already in used before that time. And just like I asked, If Watchtower didn't know the text has been in used long before fourth century, we can then ask, what else they didn't know other than information provided here? 2 Likes |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Nobody: 8:36pm On Aug 05, 2020 |
@ Emusan! Let's see how many of your cohorts who aren't hypocrite like JWs that will come and say a thing here, thank God the thread is not about JWs. So if you don't value those who have interest in spiritual things, at least you should be able to ignore them and search for those better than them! |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 8:45pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
Maximus69: How does this relate to the thread 2 Likes |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Nobody: 8:58pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
Emusan:Never mind, interested persons will surely come and make related comments! |
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