sunkee:
These are old school trains.developed countries don't use this again.scrap

Is america not a developed country?

Soulsymbol99:
Locomotive in this modern era wen others are using bullet speed trains

can you pay for a bullet train ticket..
some of you just talk out of point

Xda59:


It is used in the united states.

I said China, by the way American has stopped locomotives
They can never order lomotives from China

sunkee:
These are old school trains.developed countries don't use this again.scrap

Scrap that Fash-Ole spent billions for but still no train service in Lagos

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TTC in talks to sell old trains to Lagos. Are they safe enough?
AUGUST 10, 2011

As Toronto trainspotters gleefully take maiden rides on the TTC's Rocket, commuters in Lagos, Nigeria may be about to get some new trains of their own. Our old ones.

A TTC spokesperson has confirmed that the commission is negotiating with a private group to sell up to 260 used train cars to the West African megacity's new transit project.

"I can confirm that the TTC is in discussion with a third party that wants to purchase trains for Lagos," said commission spokesperson Brad Ross. "Over a period of time, they will be taken out of service and then transported over to Nigeria."

The cars being considered for sale are the TTC's old H-5 and H-6 models, which will be decommissioned as the TTC rolls out its new fleet of Rockets. Ross predicts the earliest they could be shipped to Nigeria is sometime in 2012.

Traffic snarls are already a major economic problem in the Nigerian capital, a booming city that will reach an estimated population of 25 million by 2015. A new above-ground rail system designed to carry 1.5 million people a day has already broken ground, and Lagos Governor Babtunde Fashola has said it "will be the most multi-dimensional and most impactful" of the government's efforts to reduce traffic congestion.

Fashola visited Toronto earlier this year to inspect the TTC trains.

The Lagos deal would be the first of its kind for the TTC. Decommissioned cars are usually sold for scrap metal and can fetch up to $1,500 dollar each. While Ross declined to discuss specific figures, he says the sticker price for Lagos is "significantly more" than scrap prices, putting the potential profits to the TTC in the millions of dollars.

It is not unusual for technology from western nations to end up in poorer countries. Marketplaces in Africa and Asia are flooded with North American clothes, computers, and even cars, but the purchase of larger technology like trains is rarer.

The cars will have to be significantly refurbished to fit existing infrastructure in Lagos, and some Nigerian media reports have lamented that the government appears to have settled on "tokundo," or used, trains instead of brand new vehicles.

Although half the cars are more than 30 years old, Ross is adamant they are perfectly safe and are only being decommissioned for capacity reasons. But he also admitted the TTC is not required to make sure the cars meet any safety standards before selling them.

"Once sold, it's up to the new operator to ensure they are in good working order," he said. "They do need to be maintained much more frequently than the new trains, simply because of their age. At some point they will run out their useful life."

Murtaza Haider, director of the Institute of Housing and Mobility at Ryerson University, said the age of the cars is definitely a cause for concern.

"We should be ensuring that there is some service life left in these vehicles and we're not going to be playing havoc with the lives of those who would ride these vehicles," Haider said. "There's metal fatigue, and that metal fatigue could result in dangerous conditions. I would be paying a close watch on this for the next ten years to see how many accidents do happen in Lagos."

He also warned that while rail systems are glamorous as far as transit infrastructure goes, they are not always as effective at reducing congestion as other options. Nevertheless, new rail systems are frequently preferred because governments can take advantage of kickbacks from large contracts.

According to media reports, the cost estimates for the Lagos rail project have varied wildly from $1.2 billion to $30 billion. In 2010, a Nigerian government watchdog accused Fashola's government of widespread corruption.

"More often than not, politicians favour rail transit because it is more expensive," Haider said. "It's almost useless in some cases, and less productive in most cases, than a bus system. But you can't buy busses for $30 billion. You can inflate prices and make a lot of money buying a rail system."

From: https://nowtoronto.com/news/next-stop-nigeria/

ojuoluwani:
LAGOS State Governor, Babatunde Fashola, yesterday, gave a breakdown of how his administration expended the N160 billion World Bank loan it acquired, saying the state maintained a healthy debt profile.

Fashoa, who spoke during his commemoration of 2,700 days in office and achievements in the last 100 days, in Alausa, Ikeja, said long overdue refund would go a long way in reducing the debt profile of the State, which he said the Federal Government recently published to mislead the public.

He said, “Recently, our political adversaries issued statements that we have borrowed N160 billion. What they have not told you is what we are doing with the money.”

Enumerating his government’s activities within the period under consideration he said; “In the last 100 days, we have commenced work on providing street lighting on the Muritala Muhammed Way in Yaba.

This is 10 kilometres of public lighting which will be completed by the end of this month. On Eko Bridge, Carter Bridge, Ikorodu Road, Lekki-Epe Expressway and every street and highway where there is street lighting in Lagos, it is the Lagos State Government that supplied the poles, the bulbs, the diesel and the maintenance.

“The only major highway we are not managing for street lights is the 3rd Mainland Bridge.

Fire engines, to secure lives, rail transport from Okokomaiko to Marina, with four stations of eight kilometres completed, and work heading to Marina, with piles appearing near the Eko Bridge every day are the places your Government is spending money. The expansion of the Lagos Badagry Expressway to a 10-lane highway is another place where your Government is spending money.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/10/lagos-spent-n160-bn-world-bank-loan-fashola/

Dumping ground for archaic tech

sofiscatedmoron:

I said China, by the way American has stopped locomotives
They can never order lomotives from China

It is used all over the world till date including china. How do you think they haul stuffs from the ports? 100 percent trucks like they do in Nigeria? You guys are really ignorant. And who told you america has stopped locomotives? That got me laughing but I won't tell you why.

deltateam:


You have a warped mind. Who is a beggar?

We are talking of million dollars of loan which you will pay back. So it has nothing to do with begging.


It wasn't dashed out.

now I Know most of you are dumb..
how much is a bullet train..
how much will it cost to build a track..
if you where told to pay 50k for a ticket would you pay..
do you know how much it cost for maintenance

MosheDayan:
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You didn't have to quote the bastard's epistle.

femmy2010:
Thank You PMB , Thank You Amechi. God Bless Nigeria

Thanks for the propaganda pictures that will never be delivered just like the Lagos light rail that Fash-Ole promised will be running since over seven years ago?
Have you been carried by the Lagos light rail? Or any of your folks or friends
The Association of Past/Present Criminals, APC is just a bunch of liars, scammers and 419ers out to drown our country in debts.


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naptu2:
Lagos light rail’ll be ready in June – Fashola
January 9, 2013

The Lagos State Governor Babatunde Fashola on Tuesday said the first phase of the state Blue Light Rail project would be completed by June this year(2013).

He expressed confidence that Lagosians would start enjoying the services of the rail project immediately.

The first phase would run from Marina and terminated at Okokomaiko area in Ojo Local Government.

Fashola spoke during an inspection of ongoing projects in the state which took him and his cabinet members to Orile-Iganmu, Alimosho and Ejigbo areas among others to assess the level of works being done by contractors.

The governor, who inaugurated the trackwork of the blue light rail at Alaba Suru, Coker-Agunda Local Council Development Area, said the level of work on the road and those of the National Theatre and Alaba-Mile 2 rail stations, would ensure early completion

He said, “In order to finish the project, the contractor did not go on vacation during the festive period. This will ensure that the project is delivered on time for the use of Lagosians.

“The first section of this rail, which started from National Theatre, Orile-Iganmu to Mile 2 Bus Stop, would be fully completed with the tracks laid.

“Construction work will continue on the project from Orile-Iganmu to Marina, the expansion work on the road from Mile 2 to Okokomaiko will also be intensified.

“This is what we do with the loan collected by the government. We don’t use our loan to pay salaries and other recurrent expenditure, what we do with our loan is to provide capital projects that would serve the residents.

“When the project is completed, the state would be at par with other major cities of the world.”

http://www.punchng.com/news/lagos-light-railll-be-ready-in-june-fashola/

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I thought its even those fast noiseless train we see in Japan Nawa oo

nonxo007:

I like your statement but honestly that last quote is where you got it all wrong. In as much as I commend the effort of the government in acquiring these trains as these are better than none, you should bare in mind that lots of African countries have started using bullet trains. Countries that we are way richer than. So saying "Nigeria a country of beggars with choice" is utter disrespect to Nigerians as you and I know that if not for the wickedness an agreed of our leaders we as a nation should be past using such trains. We have the right to demand for the best as we deserve it. We are not beggars in our country and we have a choice. This is still a welcomed development.

dude aside from Morocco no other country has bullet train..
you think it's cheap abi

Xda59:


It is used all over the world till date including china. How do you think they haul stuffs from the ports? 100 percent trucks like they do in Nigeria? You guys are really ignorant. And who told you america has stopped locomotives? That got me laughing but I won't tell you why.

U don't get the point,sir, technology thar other nations are phasing out, Nigerian is still anticipation for it,, that is what im trying to let you know,, off course old technologies are still used in the whole world,, but its actually fading away,,
Show me where America ordered locomotives from china and i will believe u sir

Lets keep on borrowing, wetin concern me. All I know is that one day I'll be gone from this country one way or the other.

isaiah4life:
Good development

You are such a mediocre. in this era, locomotive train is a good development to you?

marvin906:




now I Know most of you are dumb..
how much is a bullet train..
how much will it cost to build a track..
if you where told to pay 50k for a ticket would you pay..
do you know how much it cost for maintenance

I forgive you. You don't have to insult to pass your information. We are different and see things from different perspectives.

I stated my opinion, state yours and move on.

Besides I never mentioned a bullet train.

Alex9999:
Old old train. Nonsense!

Alex9999:
Old old train. Nonsense!

As Nigerians cannot design or manufacturer anything, then the world just dumps old stuff on us and keep the new models for themselves.

You can't use coal to boast the power situation in Nigeria. Claiming you want to go green. Yet you go ahead to acquire disel powered locomotives.

SegFault:
Lets keep on borrowing, wetin concern me. All I know is that one day I'll be gone from this country one way or the other.

They will pursue you and collect your salary to payback Nigeria's loan
We are in this together. No running.

EVILFOREST:

How Please...?
There are such TRAINS in the United States, Russia and Many Parts of Europe.
IF you term it OLD, why not manufacture yours and stop patronizing the expertise of the WHITE MAN...
What stops you from making SPEED TRAINS and Bullet trains..?
What's stopping you from going to the MOON, after all it's right above your head.
...NIGERIA a Country of BEGGARS with CHOICE

Hmmmm. I love all you've written up there. However, I also want to remind you that our dear Nigeria is so rich that if we have correct leadership, we will not be getting less. Nigeria is rich enough to have better infrastructure than it is dishing out to its citizens.

Very sad indeed.

juniorstar:
I thought its even those fast noiseless train we see in Japan Nawa oo

Nigeria is technically behind the whole world.
If we want latest anything, our govt needs to support education and research.
Many brains in this country always end up running out of the country due to no support.

Amaechi is our next president

Xda59:


Is america not a developed country?

America is developed. But they don't mind using old trains because their economy is CAR based.
The car manufacturers did well to stop the train industry so they could sell more cars.
That's why you see them wasting cars anyhow in action films.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF93asGV9ro

isaiah4life:
Good development

What is good about the development! All this old locomotives. Obviously you have lost touch with present day

China is finally taking over lol

Alex9999:
Old old train. Nonsense!

Don't be daft. These are brand new. Not bullet trains doesn't mean they are old. Not every developed country has bullet trains. The economics have to make sense for bullet trains or any type of train for that matter.

A project that does not make economic sense with bullet train of $10bln, can make sense with normal train of $2bln.

You no serious I swear
Hahahahahaha

daddytime:
The people wey buy the huge real estate don dey move in with their properties small small.

I don kukuma dey learn Chinese/mandarin. I don chose my name already.

Tian Hiang

HabaHaba:


Hmmmm. I love all you've written up there. However, I also want to remind you that our dear Nigeria is so rich that if we have correct leadership, we will not be getting less. Nigeria is rich enough to have better infrastructure than it is dishing out to its citizens.

Very sad indeed.

Nigeriabis nowhere near as rich as you think. All that Nigeria is rich and we are giant of Africa is all old gist. Not relevant anymore. While Nigeria would be much better with sincere, purposeful leadership, Nigeria as at today is not rich.

You want FG to use advance train where your brothers and sisters are selling on rail tracks? Why can't we appreciate little things in Nigeria

sofiscatedmoron:

U don't get the point,sir, technology thar other nations are phasing out, Nigerian is still anticipation for it,, that is what im trying to let you know,,
Show me where America ordered locomotives from china and i will believe u

You are the one missing the point because you are seeing it from a narrow perspective. America don't have to order locomotives from china because they have their own locomotive manufacturing companies.

uuzba:

They will pursue you and collect your salary to payback Nigeria's loan
We are in this together. No running.

The kind eye I go use look them ehn. Dem no go tell them twice say khaki no be leather.