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Religion / Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by tintingz(m): 12:49pm
UserX18:


Even after reading the Q’uran, they’ll tell me I don’t understand it the way they do(which of course might be true) Then I’ll bring some true facts about (salvation) they can’t deny then if they don’t accept, I’ll leave them.
So I’m not stoping you from arguing anything, just be reasonable when arguing. One who desires not to reason, such one shouldn’t bother debating. It is folly.
Are you being reasonable when you argue with Muslims in the first place, are you reasonable thinking your religion is the truth and where salvation is?

You are just being hypocritical in your argument.

Your arguments are flawed, you have no point.
Religion / Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by tintingz(m): 12:39pm
UserX18:


No I’m not going strawman, the people you call Christians, I don’t know them, Christians are not very much, just they way you think, they are few, take a look at it, you don’t believe the Q’uran, you don’t believe in their various washings, and cleansing, you do not know what their beliefs is all about, and you argue it with them, is that reasonabl, what makes one a little wise is the ability to reason. Whether right or wrong. Please just try and reason. It’s blind arguing what you don’t know about.
You are still going strawman, Christians are not few, are you saying Buddhists are much than Christians? I don't understand you.

Secondly, you don't even know if I was in a religion before, you're just making fallacious statement.
Religion / Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by tintingz(m): 11:25am
UserX18:


If you don’t believe in any God, why are you now asking “Which God” please is that reasonable, oh i don’t believe the earth is round.. I dont believe there are other planets, then I’ll ask you questions about “which planet”? Is that reasonable please?
Is it wise and reasonable to debate something that you absolutely do not believe exists.? Please Be REASONABLE HERE!

The Muslims have their own faith, they are serving something of course, I will not want to argue about their faith, because I do not believe in the Q’uran. Anyone who will want to argue or debate about their faith, and that person does not believe in the Q’uran, it will be folly.

The God that created the Heavens and the Earth.
Oga why are you going strawman?

I comment jeje and you quoted me and ask questions if I've tried God and intervene, if I know his laws and character bla bla bla and I ask which God are you talking about and you are going strawman.

I've seen Christians arguing with Muslims about Allah they don't believe in and vice versa, I've seen people arguing about comic superheroes characters they believe doesn't exist, so oga I'm not getting your point, what you don't get is these things are public matters, there's no law stopping you from arguing, debating or have interest in them, I personally have interest in philosophical, theological debates.
Celebrities / Re: Daddy Freeze To Mary Remmy: "Camel Toe Is Sexual Harassment" by tintingz(m): 6:33am
Which law in Nigeria Constitution says camel toe is sexual harassment, and lots of folks here actually agree with him? Ignorance is a disease!

What about some men that go about with just boxer or tight jean with thier bulging díck exposed?

There's no law concerning dress code in Nigeria, no law against indecent dress in Nigeria, it's just a socio-moral thing.

If you find a lady with camel toe, sorry there's nothing you can do about it and if you touch her you can actually be charged for harassment(except some women that are not informed), just ignore what you see and walk away, it's only in northern part of Nigeria they purnish women for indecent dressing using Sharia law.

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Religion / Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by tintingz(m): 7:56pm On Jun 22
UserX18:


First of All, do you believe in God?
If yes, tell me the God you believe in?
If no, then why are inquisitive about what you do not believe in.?
I don't believe in any God and I'm not inquisitive, and even if I'm inquisitive, God is a public matter and open to any debate, argument etc.

Your question is like asking why are Christians arguing with Muslims about their God they(Christians) don't believe in or why are over millions of people interested in Black Panther they believe doesn't exist.

You ask if I've called on God and intervene, my question is which God are you talking about, is that question so difficult to answer?
Religion / Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by tintingz(m): 6:15pm On Jun 22
UserX18:


I’m talking about the God who created the heavens and the earth.
Do you believe in the God, and he doesn’t intervene. Have you called on him and he didn’t intervene?
Which God are you talking about, is it Yahweh, Allah, Brahma, Odin, Zeus, Ukulunkulu, Olorun, RA etc which one?

Abeg make I celebrate Nigeria super eagles first.
Religion / Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by tintingz(m): 4:14pm On Jun 22
UserX18:


Have you tried God, and He didn’t prove himself to you?
Do you know his instructions, his laws and his statutes, to know if really he doesn’t intervene?
Do you know His character? And if you do wish not to care about his existence, do you use your own reasoning to judge other people’s reasoning. Is that Even REASONABLE?
Judging a matter, even before knowing about it, I perceive foolishness in this kind of judgement.
- So I need to try a God to know if he/she exist?

- Which God and his/her laws are you talking about?

- I'm talking about deist God that doesn't intervene.
Religion / Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by tintingz(m): 1:54pm On Jun 22
Deist God cannot be proven nor has prove for his/her/it existence because it does not intervene, why should anybody care about his/her/it existence?
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 4:34pm On Jun 21
johnydon22:


Repeating the same nonsense doesn't make it sound better each time.
I'm sorry but he's a freak, legendary defender of abusive priests.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 4:31pm On Jun 21
johnydon22:


- Fallacy of what?

- and Its actually sarcasm.
Fallacy of generalization.

Ofcos I know it's sacarsm.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 3:54pm On Jun 21
johnydon22:


Lmao..

But religious people are dumb
No they are not, that's fallacy.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 3:49pm On Jun 21
johnydon22:


Wikipedia encyclopedia. You got issues.
SMH


It is an oversimplification as saying the sun rises from the east which is factually incorrect and once an argument is based on a false premise, it is inherently wrong.

Sex cannot be assigned neither can it be changed. It is a DNA business not something you give to people.

This appeal to authority is pitiful.
Reputable source use the word "assigned gender", if they are incorrect it is thier business, if you're incorrect it's your business.

You have been shown with a peered reviews article from institute of biological studies that WHO's declassification is politically spurred but No. You keep repeating this rubbish.
WHO said gender dysphoria is no longer a mental disorder, abah!

They are not dumb to come to that conclusion!

What changed?

The bolded is plain ass slowpoke.
What changed is that gender dysphoria is no longer a mental disorder.


Let me straighten you up - Behaving like a woman or even looking like a woman is not the same thing as identifying as a woman.

One can behave in feminine ways but still agree with factual biological realities of being male.

Hormones have nothing to do with identity perception, it is sorely psychological.

And a non factual identification is delusion
Scientists said it's also biological, abah.

This is a stupi_d lie ..

Transsexuality have nothing to do with hormones, genes neither is it heritable.
Again,

The causes of transsexualism have been studied for decades.
The most studied factors are biological.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality


Transsexuality is an identity subject not even sexual.

Sex is biological. Identity is psychological.

Seems both confuse you.

No offense but you are grossly naive.

Throughout this discussion you have not made a single argument.

All you throw around is: Scientist said that, WHO said its no longer a mental disorder, Wikipedia is a good source.

You need to straighten up yourself man
So I've been wasting my time with all the provided source. SMH

Image attached: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 3:19pm On Jun 21
johnydon22:


You have not provided an argument that refutes his stance.

This is simply an ad hominem and is nonsencial in argumentative ethics.
He's a religious freak.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 1:06pm On Jun 21
sassysure:

I am shocked not surprised. I saw one post randomly one day and said maybe it's somebody else. This might not be him.
I'm so happy for u.
The aggressiveness has all gone.
If I ever come to a topic and u are there, I will just respect myself. Though I don't comment most times then but I do read your posts and believe u me, I pitched you with some religious fanatics then. Never knew u were passing through a transition.

I love this new u a lot.
Thank u.

The unbelievable happens.

Thanks again.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 1:02pm On Jun 21
johnydon22:
So?

How does this invalidate his assertion?
You don't mind if there are sentiments in his assertion? A religious freak that defend sexual abusive priests?
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 12:53pm On Jun 21
johnydon22:
No one is still arguing against this.

You can be what you want to be, this is not the premise of the argument. You lot should stick with the premise and leave this nonsensical rhetoric.

The point is, feeling like you are what you are not is a condition that is called mental disorder.

This is even one characteristics of full blown madness.

My advise for you if you're in clinical field, if you diagnose your patient of gender dysphoria and call it mental illnesses, Sha don't let WHO hear or you will be fired for unprofessionalism.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 12:43pm On Jun 21
johnydon22:


And my argument have always maintained that the declassification of gender dysphoria as mental disorder is politically motivated not scientific.

Political trend is eroding scientific positions in many aspect of human life. Like Donald Trump denying climate change, you thinking sex can be assigned (which i think is more absurd than the former)

I can provide peer reviewed articles that shows Professionals (physicians and scientists) being black listed and losing their jobs because their position contradict the political position (Liberal political correction in a bid develop a victim's culture)
Gender dysphoria is no mental disorder - WHO
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 12:32pm On Jun 21
johnydon22:
I bet i can provide 10 sources that says the earth is flat.

If this doesn't make you understand how ridiculous you sound up there, i fear nothing will.
Scientists don't take flat Earth model serious, it's a conspiracy theory.

The four source I provided are from reputable source.

Biological sex can never be assigned at birth, it is strictly a biological process at conception which i have shown over and over again here.
Are you saying these source: psychologytoday, psychiatry.órg, National health service are dumb for making that assertion?

Oh Jeez.

gender dysphoria is a recent classification of a condition known as gender identity disorder. This is sorely a political move as i have shown before and will also show again.

Cretella Michelle (2017) peered reviewed https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/07/03/im-pediatrician-transgender-ideology-infiltrated-field-produced-large-scale-child-abuse/

And this peered reviewed article also goes on to show how scientists and physicians who do not coincide with the recent political correct trend are black listed and made to lose jobs http://www.jpands.org/vol21no2/cretella.pdf
WHO said it's no longer a mental disorder, it's not recognized as mental disorder anymore in clinical field, these stubborn scientists should keep calling it mental disorder, they will keep losing their jobs.

Amazing. Still at the same place. You know nothing of reproductive biology still throw gross nonsense about.
Is hormonal influence not biological or not? It seems you have not been reading the source I provided.

The main case here is:

Sex = biological
identity = psychological

A child raised by wolves would behave like wolves

Identity can be factually correct or factually wrong.

A tall person identifying as short is factually wrong.

A biological female identifying as male is factually wrong

And what we call factually wrong identification in psychology is mental delusion.

It beats me how a straight simplification can't be deducted here.
Scientists said transgender is mostly biological factors, hormonal influence, genetic, heritable etc you're saying another thing.

No one said it's not psychological, what study said is it's beyond psychological.

I tire for you sir.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 10:22am On Jun 21
Evangkatsoulis:


Even the so called Genuine sources actually reference other articles.
Wikipedia is just an easy way to get compilations of studies, discoveries, articles from various sources, infact it's part of their rules to add references to articles.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 10:18am On Jun 21
CAPSLOCKED:



SIR,

IF YOU EVER FIND A MAN WHO BELIEVES HE'LL BE MORE COMFORTABLE IN THE BODY OF A DOG, PLEASE ALLOW HIM DO WHATEVER HE WANTS WITH HIS OWN BODY, AS AN ADULT CAPABLE OF BEARING THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS OWN ACTIONS, ESPECIALLY IF HIS DECISION WILL NOT IN ANY WAY AFFECT YOU, ANOTHER MAN, OR THE ENVIRONMENT.

THANKS.
Thank you, Even if he/she has the feeling of becoming a dragon or warewolf.

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Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 10:11am On Jun 21
HajimeSaito:


Doctor McHugh is an agnostic. He does not identify with any religion.
McHugh is a practicing Catholic. According to a 2002 New York Times article, he is a Democrat "who describes himself as religiously orthodox.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._McHugh
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 9:16am On Jun 21
sassysure:

Not quoting to join the topic.

Wonders will never end!
Is this actually tintingz? What happened?
I can actually quote u. U are the greatest miracle I have ever seen in this forum.
And I actually doff my cap for u cos it's not easy.
Hmn, I need to check well to see if it's cloned username.
Anyway, welcome to the land where people use their mind as it should be used.
Thank you sir/ma. This is the real and only tintingz in this forum, you're surprised about the changes? cheesy
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 9:13am On Jun 21
Evangkatsoulis:


Are you saying wikipedia is not good reference? It puts its references at the bottom of the page.
Help me ask him o.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 9:06am On Jun 21
johnydon22:
LOL. No its not.

Its a case of identity that is not factually correct.

Another Wikipedia source that uses the phrase "Assigned sex" this is a political phrase not scientific. Sex is not assigned by anyone, chromosomes are responsible for it at conception.

Jesus I can't believe I'm arguing this with a person.



Over the past several years, a range of civil society organizations as well as the governments of several Member States and the European Union Parliament have urged the WHO to remove categories related to transgender identity from its classification of mental disorders in the ICD‐1151, 52, 53.

One impetus for this advocacy has been an objection to the stigmatization that accompanies the designation of any condition as a mental disorder in many cultures and countries. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5032510

Misidentity is a delusion. Let me assume someone is born that way, people are born mentally unbalanced are still classified as mentally unbalanced


Pheeew another Wikipedia

Aberrational still.
Does Wikipedia attach reference to their articles or not? undecided

Gender dysphoria is no longer consider mental disorder, take it or leave it bro.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 8:43am On Jun 21
johnydon22:


So?

How does this invalidate his assertion?
He's a religious freak!
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 8:38am On Jun 21
johnydon22:
That sex is assigned?

Lmoa
What happens when four sources use the word "assigned gender"? undecided


Give one behavioral instance of a man behaving like woman..
You just don't want to accept the study shown by scientists despite the studies provided, you still haven't provide any source that said gender dysphoria has no biological causes!


Tomboys and effeminate men, that's the result of this.
The article is about gender dysphoria, hello..?


And studies suggests that sex is assigned at birth?

Stop with the Wikipedia nonsense already
These ones are Wikipedia abi? cheesy

Gender dysphoria occurs when there is a persistent sense of mismatch between one’s experienced gender and assigned gender.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/gender-dysphoria


Biological sex is assigned at birth, depending on the appearance of the genitals. Gender identity is the gender that a person "identifies" with or feels themselves to be.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

Gender dysphoria involves a conflict between a person's physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify.
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

Oga wether it's assigned gender or not that's not even the main case here.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 6:54am On Jun 21
HajimeSaito:






(CNSNews.com) -- Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.

Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recent commentary in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.

He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people. Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”



While liberal politicians, Hollywood, and major media such as Time magazine promote transgenderism as normal, said Dr. McHugh, these “policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention.”

“This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken – it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes.”

The transgendered person’s disorder, said Dr. McHugh, is in the person’s “assumption” that they are different than the physical reality of their body, their maleness or femaleness, as assigned by nature. It is a disorder similar to a “dangerously thin” person suffering anorexia who looks in the mirror and thinks they are “overweight,” said McHugh.

This assumption, that one’s gender is only in the mind regardless of anatomical reality, has led some transgendered people to push for social acceptance and affirmation of their own subjective “personal truth,” said Dr. McHugh. As a result, some states – California, New Jersey, and Massachusetts – have passed laws barring psychiatrists, “even with parental permission, from striving to restore natural gender feelings to a transgender minor,” he said.

The pro-transgender advocates do not want to know, said McHugh, that studies show between 70% and 80% of children who express transgender feelings “spontaneously lose those feelings” over time. Also, for those who had sexual reassignment surgery, most said they were “satisfied” with the operation “but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery.”

“And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a ‘satisfied’ but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs,” said Dr. McHugh.

The former Johns Hopkins chief of psychiatry also warned against enabling or encouraging certain subgroups of the transgendered, such as young people “susceptible to suggestion from ‘everything is normal’ sex education,” and the schools’ “diversity counselors” who, like “cult leaders,” may “encourage these young people to distance themselves from their families and offer advice on rebutting arguments against having transgender surgery.”

Dr. McHugh also reported that there are “misguided doctors” who, working with very young children who seem to imitate the opposite sex, will administer “puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous – even though the drugs stunt the children’s growth and risk causing sterility.”

Such action comes “close to child abuse,” said Dr. McHugh, given that close to 80% of those kids will “abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated ….”

“’Sex change’ is biologically impossible,” said McHugh. “People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.”

ns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change




Is this not the same Dr. McHugh a Catholic that defend abusive priests that sexually abuse children?
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 1:16am On Jun 21
johnydon22:
Jesus christ, Wikipedia sources. Amazing.
Not only Wikipedia source oga.


Sex cannot be changed. Physical alterations do not edit chromosomes/genes which in fact determine sex.

It is just like Michael Jackson bleaching himself and using cosmetic surgery to appear caucasian. Race just like sex is also biological and cannot be cosmetically eroded. At the end of the day, Michael jackson is still a negro.

Identification and cosmetics do not influence biological composition.
Study found it's biological, I'm not scientists but my claims are simply base on studies.

Gender development is complex and there are many possible variations that cause a mismatch between a person’s biological sex and their gender identity, making the exact cause of gender dysphoria unclear.

Occasionally, the hormones that trigger the development of biological sex may not work properly on the brain, reproductive organs and genitals, causing differences between them. This may be caused by:

- additional hormones in the mother’s system – possibly as a result of taking medication.

- the foetus’ insensitivity to the hormones, known as androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS) – when this happens, gender dysphoria may be caused by hormones not working properly in the womb

congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) – where a high level of male hormones are produced in a female foetus. This causes the genitals to become more male in appearance and, in some cases, the baby may be thought to be biologically male when she is born.


intersex conditions – which cause babies to be born with the Instruments of both sexes (or ambiguous Instruments). Parents are recommended to wait until the child can choose their own gender identity before any surgery is carried out.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/


The sun rises from the east.
Ok


I have a feeling that you have no idea what biological means because all you have been throwing out is sex assignment at birth which is laughable. You keep throwing the word biology without reference to sexual biology (chromosomal exchanges) Well, you probably don't understand the term biological.

Oh Jeez

ok
I'm not a scientist, I'm simply saying what studies provided.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 1:00am On Jun 21
johnydon22:
Actually they make progress with the help of psychotherapy.

You must first understand that identity is psychological and once it is factually incorrect, it is delusion.
Ok


I'd rather seek help that solves the problem with the variable of causality fully in consideration.
Ok


Like i said, apart from Intersex, sexual identity contradictions are psychological and have a social and mental causality.

You don't even understand the point. Identity and biology are not the same but once they contradict, delusion is in full effect.

A black identifying as caucasian is not biological, it is strictly mental.

alternate animal with gender and you will get the picture.
Again, transgender is a different case here,

The causes of transsexualism have been studied for decades.
The most studied factors are biological.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality


Over the past several years, a range of civil society organizations as well as the governments of several Member States and the European Union Parliament have urged the WHO to remove categories related to transgender identity from its classification of mental disorders in the ICD‐1151, 52, 53.

One impetus for this advocacy has been an objection to the stigmatization that accompanies the designation of any condition as a mental disorder in many cultures and countries.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5032510/

Peered reviewed article from the from the The National Center for Biotechnology Information advances science and health by providing access to biomedical and genomic information.

The omission is a politically influenced act not a scientific one. Non-factual identity is still mental disorder in science, your reference is influenced by modern political motives. Get your facts right, the advocacy is from government and civil society organization which is aimed at combating stigma.

This is purely a political move.
Gender dysphoria itself is not a mental disorder, it's the distress that comes with it, the reason it's term mental disorder, WHO that declared it mental disorder in the past has withdraw it as to make trans people feel no stigmatized and distressed.

The American Psychiatric Association, publisher of the DSM-5, states that "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria


Does it make a difference?
Yeap


You have not quoted one that proposed such. Your sex assignment at birth i have shown to be grossly incorrect and consonant to science.

Your basic biology is source enough: seems like you have not been reading all i have been saying here.

Sex is strictly a chromosomal business at conception and is stamped on every cell in the body. It is either your are XY (male) or XX (female) there are conditions like XYX (intersex) which is a development disorder just like growing an extra limb.

Identity on the other hand is psychologically stimulated and can coincide with fact or not.

If a tall guy says i am short, it is not biological, it is mental.

if a male says i am female, it is also mental.

And by virtue of consonance to the fact, it is a mental delusion.
So when it comes to the gene, brain structure it is?
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 12:35am On Jun 21
johnydon22:
Identity is psychological sir.
Transgender is beyond identity, it also has biological causes, I've provided like four sources.


Again, sex is not assigned at birth, sex is biologically determined by the chromosomes.

You may say that there are people having these issues of gender identity disorder and that is true but suggesting sex is assigned at birth is very wrong and a direct opposite of the scientific position.

if you base your argument on the premise of "assigned sex" then i'm sorry your argument is inherently flawed.
This is more like the use of words, I'm not a scientist, those who are in clinical field should explain this,

Sex assignment (sometimes known as gender assignment) is the determination of an infant's sex at birth. In the majority of births, a relative, midwife, nurse or physician inspects the Instruments when the baby is delivered, and sex and gender are assigned, without the expectation of ambiguity. Assignment may also be done prior to birth through prenatal sex discernment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment



Which is in fact an identity problem thus psychological.
So also biological.


Genitals do not appear at birth, that statement is an oversimplification as saying the sun rises from the east. factually it is wrong.

Sex is not assigned at birth, sex is determined at conception.
Ok, I'm very sure those site cannot make such wrong statement.


Hence an identity problem not a sexual one
Again sir, Gender dysphoria is beyond identity problem according to study.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 12:08am On Jun 21
johnydon22:
What would you say in such a case?
Take the child to a psychologist if he/she persist in saying such.

I don't want the situation where my child is down with depression.


This statement is incorrect

Apart from Intersex which is in fact a sex development disorder. transgender condition is not biological but mental.

Sex is biological, identity is psychological.

identity alterations are more likely social and mentally caused.
Study suggest it's psychological, biological, maybe you should provide source where it says no biological causes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality


I don't. I only understand the social conditioning going on. it is not normal for anyone to wake up and says he identifies as a dog which in fact is a thing lycanthropy.

if we classify this as a mental delusion, how come no one classifies waking up one morning and deciding you are no longer a man but a woman same?

Think about that?
Lycanthropy is more like when someone feel like he's turning to an animal or has turn to an animal, this is consider a psychosis by scientists, there is no much study on it as it is a very rare case.

As for transgender, it's also consider a mental disorder until recently WHO declared it's no longer a mental disorder, it's has been very well studied and most studies are Biological.




Applauded her courage, would they applaud the courage of a lycanthropy or would they agree he/she is mentally deluded?
These are different cases!


Sex is strictly biological and not a matter of identity.

identity however is mental and can either be wrong or right.

However we diagnose every factually wrong identity as a psychological anomaly, all except the transgender identity. If this is not a gross (cherrypicked) normalization of an obvious problem then i don't think there is such a thing as mental delusion at all.
Kindly provide source where it says transgender has no biological causes/influence.
Religion / Re: What Do You Think Of The Transgender Argument? by tintingz(m): 11:16pm On Jun 20
johnydon22:
The cause is more likely psychological in the case of individuals.
Psychological, biological these are still suggestions.


I opened the link and the first statement was "Gender dysphoria (GD), or gender identity disorder (GID), is the distress a person experiences as a result of the sex and gender they were assigned at birth"

This statement is scientifically incorrect and is no less than extreme left absurdity being peddled in stiff consonance or manipulation of scientific data.

Why the statement is wrong:

Sex is not assigned to anyone at birth, human sex is determined right during conception once the cells fuse to form a zygote.

That article started off a wrong premise and just tell me how correct can it get when the fundamental premise is incorrect?

Here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment

I'm not a scientist wether sex is assign at birth or not is not the case here, this does not negate the study and condition of gender dysphoria.

Gender dysphoria occurs when there is a persistent sense of mismatch between one’s experienced gender and assigned gender.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/gender-dysphoria


Biological sex is assigned at birth, depending on the appearance of the genitals. Gender identity is the gender that a person "identifies" with or feels themselves to be.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

Gender dysphoria involves a conflict between a person's physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify.
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

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