LabuleofNigeria:


would you accept my claims if i tell you right now that "I am President Buhari" ?
would you accept my claims if i tell you to send me some money that i can double your money in 2 hours?
not all claims are worth stressing your thoughts over.

I will demand for proof.

But you on the other hand don't need proof. Subjective claims are enough for you.

My creator cannot be a monkey hunting for bananas (i cant be superior to my creator)
If my creator was born in 1999, who was in charge of the world before her birth?

Why not? She can be like Jesus, God become human.

the 3 are claims, 1 out of the 3 observed to sound meaningful has been researched, tested, confirmed by me, and i've got a personal self-conviction as proof to attest to it as my God.
It works for me.

Find what works for you too.

Ok, all gods in Religions including the winged monkey created the universe.

LabuleofNigeria:
i never insulted you bro.
I only gave an opinion

The truth is, Posting unconfirmed/unverifiable/baseless "thoughts" on other peoples beliefs/lifestyle without cognitive evidences is uncivil.
Learn that !

Opinions or thoughts doesn't have to come with evidence, it's about sharing knowledge. Evidence is plausible.

So if you've any good evidence, present them or give us your thoughts. Haba, does everything have to do with conflicts.

LabuleofNigeria:
Children unborn will read our conversation and smile at your hypocrisy, ignorance and swerviness. dont tell your children your NL monika o

No red herring.

Let's continue with our discussion.

LabuleofNigeria:


Huuuuuncle, NO!
I only believe and take God (Allah) as my creator and the creator of the universe. Tell me yours ?

Oh, so you now believe the winged monkey and the woman of oyingbo didn't create the universe.

So why do you believe Allah created the universe and the winged monkey didn't create the universe? Aren't they both true claims?

LabuleofNigeria:


anything "Believe" is not always physically verifiable and it is based on "self-conviction" all man for himself

You see why you will keep going in circles.

Ok, Allah, the woman and winged monkey created the universe, yes?

LabuleofNigeria:


If your own boss or FATHER brought up an unrealistic topic saying " I think DANFO can fly"
you deserve to tell him "I think TVs can fly too"

stunted brains stinks

Nah, I would give my opinion since he asked for my opinion base on the topic not start insulting him(That's ad hominem fallacy).

LabuleofNigeria:


Must we revolve on same point all day long?

I am not convinced to accept that. She isnt God to me. She isnt my God.
If she claims to be God, thats ok for her & her deciples/followers

Why aren't you convinced to accept her claim? Why she isn't God to you? Why?

LabuleofNigeria:


Pele....i know it hurts, indeed u felt the pain

Next time, Dont post gibberish and claim "I think"......"What do you think"

You obviously lack reasoning.

So if your boss brought up a topic and ask for your opinion or what you think about the topic, you response will be "you're mad"?

LabuleofNigeria:


LOL, no be one woman call herself GOD for Mushin abi na Oyingbo dat time?
Weytin concern me concern your belief.
Indians worship pictures/moulded Images...... e no concern me
If your own God/Creator is monkey, then good for you...... still dosn't concern me.
i said "i respect your belief" simple...

So you find that woman claim funny?

But do you accept it as true?

LabuleofNigeria:


Show me where i claimed or accepted that a winged monkey created the universe and not Allah. use quote pls.
I told you "If that is your belief, so be it for you. i will respect your belief and respect that as your own GOD"

You said you accepted my belief.

Ok, the winged monkey and Allah created the universe?

LabuleofNigeria:
Infact,

I think your father didnt train you well, what do you think?

Ad hominem.

LabuleofNigeria:


Ok then, dont find this offensive;

"I think YOU are MAD, what do you think?"
"I think you are an Idiot, what do you think?

Lesson; This is a public forum, your demeaning and catastrophic thoughts especially that is targetted at undermining others should be carefully vomitted.

How does this have anything to do with the topic?

You just want to insult me. Ad hominem

LabuleofNigeria:


Unify understanding of things is far different from "unified-beliefs"...... why talking gibberish bro...

Forceful unified beliefs is still the reason Boko boys are killing, dyu support that ? c'mon man up

First you've accepted a winged monkey created the universe and not Allah. Now I'm sure this contradict your belief and you really didn't accept it as true or you will be disobeying the Shahada but if you believe a winged monkey created the universe good.

Anyways,You didn't see the implications of what you're claiming. If everyone uses their subjectivism as true for reality then things will keep conflicting, we can never know the truth for anything.

How do we know about the universe? Is it by self-claims by people or by evidences?

LabuleofNigeria:


Your response hence, makes your post irrelevant because you never started with any sort of evidence in the first instance.
Public forum is not meant for posting unconfirmed statements from unconfirmed sources.

Dont land in jail

You can clearly see "I think" In the topic and also "what do you think" in the end.

Do you have problem with a discussion thread where people share their opinions?

sonmvayina:


The letter killeth, yes ..they are not true life story hence the contradiction...but the messages are consistent..

Okay, they're not true.

LabuleofNigeria:


You have problems with English comprehension.....
BELIEVE is a personal thing, never a collective phenomenon. it is always based on "Self-conviction"

Yes, i will accept and respect your believe.
If you claimed a giant yellow winged monkey created everything, Good for you. Congratulations !
Do you expect the whole world to have a unanimous believe ?

Ok, good. You believe the winged giant yellow monkey created everything and not Allah.

And why shouldn't the world have a unify understanding of things?

LabuleofNigeria:


You dont "think" & just guess in Science and Logic..
You state facts and theories with backed up verifiable evidencies.....

This is a discussion thread open for opinions.

If you have evidences kindly provide or state your opinions.

LabuleofNigeria:


Of course YES !
cant you read my words?
That is your own God.

So will you believe a giant yellow winged monkey created everything?

LabuleofNigeria:


Oga, this is a civil society, i will respect whatsoever you call your own God for you, as long as you find peace and self-acclaimed conviction in it.
I dont enforce my conviction on you, so i expect no one to enforce his/her conviction on me.
All man for himself, its a free world bro.

I will only preach to an Ignorant mind who claims he wasn't created (NO CREATOR) & he was as a result of a dusty accident told by fellow human.

Please answer my question, would you accept my claim as true or not?

LabuleofNigeria:

Do you expect another man to tell/explain something that is based on "self-conviction" to you?
Take the afore-mentioned assigment if indeed, you genuinly want an evidence

Ok, if I said a yellow winged giant invisible monkey appeared to me and said he created everything, will you accept that as true?

LabuleofNigeria:


Its obvious you just scanned through and never read my words carefully.
you never take note of "Self-conviction" in my analogies and you still couldnt phantom the fact that i gave you an expository clue as an assignment to figure-out your proofs.

Ok, self-conviction is your proof?

LabuleofNigeria:
Please take your time to read my post (do not rush)

Clearly, all your points can be narrowed down to "Evidence" or "Proof" of God's existence. noted
The evidence you need is right before you, but you only fail to think & understand.

Now, the complexity of human intelligence alone, should make you realize it can never be by accident. (lets be sincere with our logics)
You & i know that we, humans are not just a two spherical stones pressed together.

1. The concept of God and Godliness is entirely spiritual, cannot be seen with the physical eye
2. The concept of Science is entirely physical, it solely depends the human sence organs & physical evidences/natural laws.

Your confussion sets-in while trying to cross-multiply and Proof a "Spiritual-based concepts" using a "Science-based" evidence

I have a shrine at the village (called Ogun) which never spares anyone who defaults towards its consequences.
There are verifiable charms that have stopped cutlass/bullet penetrations
We have all seen lots of physical confessions of witches who got mishaps casses in one way or the other
People do money rituals that works, People kill fellow human to hunt parts, all for sacrificial/ritual use, etc
Now all these are "Spiritial-based" concepts & can never be proven with "Science-based" evidences.

The evidence of God's existence requires a "spriritual-meduim (unseen)" for a self aclaimed conviction.
This is when you personally verify the existence of an unseen who lives.
Revert to my assignment for the least evidence to start with.

Lol, now you have delve into spiritualism, empirical evidence isn't necessary?.

If God is spiritual, how did you know he exist, any evidence? Who said God is spiritual? Did he appear and told you himself?

I can as well claim fairies exist.

So tell me how you can prove to me God exist using spiritualism and he created you.

IMAliyu:

Oh, ok I get you.
Most religions base their evidence on unprovable claims and if we use evidence and logic to scrutinize them they usually break down.

Hmm.. maybe Buddhism, but Buddhism bases it's premise on reincarnation which is still not provable, but I do like the philosophy.

Buddhism also fall to the category, like the reincarnation, there's no prove for it.

I also like Buddhism and also Jainism, they are very moral without any God although they use reincarnation karma for their bases of morality. What I like is how they meditate to clear every worries. It's just a good philosophy.

LabuleofNigeria:


Use the Lexicon, The definition of "create" means caused, or something made to come into existence.
No existence without a certain creation !

No existence/mechanism functions seamlessly & properly without a carefully planned motive, design, intention & above all a masterminder called Creator !

1. The universe can be infinite

2. Does the creator also have a creator?

sonmvayina:


Those are different names of the same thing..forget the story, it is a lie,dwell on the messages in the story..but the truth is that we are gods on a human journey.

No body was eye witness to anything.

So we should skip the contradictions?

Like the contradictions isn't something we should look into?

LabuleofNigeria:


That is why i said you goofed-up here my dear.

1. It is CERTAIN ! you're created. (your perfect humanly anatomy, full-functional mechanism, brain, eye, feelings, reproduction, speech etc confirms this.)
Nothing happens by accident, else, one day, you must have woken up to see a new specie of Gorrila burst out by accident in your toilet.

Lol, this is ridiculous.

Using the world "certain" that I was definitely created even tho no evidence point to that is absurd. Yes a design doesn't negate my existence but is there any evidence for this? No, no one knows!

I can well be a results of accidents, by accident we're talking about the process that led us here, during the early period of the big bang, the particles were colliding and collapsing forming the galaxies; that's accidental process and the universe is at risk of more accident leading to extinction.

During the early evolutionary period, we understand how many species gone extinct because they didn't survive(natural selection) and we understand the process of evolution and we're still at risk of extinction.

These all follows natural laws such that If there's a creator such creator isn't perfect or such creator doesn't care for it creatures.

I haven't said there cannot be a creator, all what I said was I don't know if there's a creator (as the universe can be infinite itself) and even if there's a creator, I don't know what it's and no one knows. What exactly is wrong with this? Someone admitting he doesn't know or someone filling his ignorance with false knowledge, which is better?

2. You dont know your creator (according to your words)

I don't even know if there's one. You don't know either, you only heard or read from a book that provides no evidence.

Like I asked, which is better, someone admitting he doesn't know or someone filling his ignorance with false knowledge?

3. If (1 & 2 above) is right, therefore name whatsoever mysterious identity/alien or that unknown creator of you as GOD.
(God means Creator; Creator means God!)

How did you possibly know there is a creator and that creator is God and that God name is Allah? How did you know, tell me.

IMAliyu:

My premise was if an all good God exists and he created a religion that is good and perfect in all dimensions, shouldn't we be able to see or prove such, by simply looking at the people and societies that follow it (putting the myths aside) Shouldn't such a society and people be the best of the best mortally, philosophically, intellectually etc.
Or if such a God made it obvious which faith was the right one, shouldn't it be empirically provable by some metric(s) we may agree upon and not just faith and intuition which are flawed and subjective?
If not then what does that say about such deity(s)?
Or would such a God leave us to our own devices and to figure out the best mode of living on our own and would judge us based on our virtues?
And if it's not any of that, we may go back to questioning the existence of such deity(s)

I get what you're saying and I've pointed out why all Religions cannot be true if they base their claims on...,

1. Subjectivism, circular reasoning
2. Faiths
3. God of gaps, argument from ignorance
4. Ad populum fallacy

Religions usually base their claims on the listed above, which cannot reach any true conclusion.

So what should we use? The best options are,

1. Evidence
2. Logic

Has any religion meet this? No.

If God is true,

1. There should be evidence of his existence and all other mythological claims
2. Everything about the Religion claims should logically follow.


So maybe we should pick a God and religion to use for the experiment.

Maximus69:

If it's working out what is benefitial for one and all "YES SIR"!
It's just words remember?
So what really matters is the usefulness not it's useless definition Sir!

Words and definitions are used to describe a act or thing which logically follows = semantic.

So..

- What do you call people that group themselves and worship God or gods and also have divine dogmas?

- And what do you call people that lack belief in God or gods?

LabuleofNigeria:


You are not only living in ignorance, you are long dead and buried in ignorance bro.
Find knowledge, stop approaching life with logic & self-oriented ideas.
Then only youll understand where you goofed. Much love

You didn't answer my question, what problem do you have with "I don't know"?

If you don't know something, do you fill it with false claims?

You're not in the beginning of the universe, you're not outside the universe(if there's) how then do you possibly know there's a creator and which creator? Tell me how you know?

Maximus69:


Don't you have brains?
We don't need an standard definition from any book Sir!
Sorry i've forgotten that the white man has turned your brains to cookies, but you can still go back home and ask your father!

You never attended school just for the white man to continue telling you this or that is the standard my dear!
That's what all of you have been saying about Religion so cut that crap and go use your brains or better still ask your Papa at home!

Like I asked someone, the definition of Cups can mean white crazy goats, correct?

TATIME:


Use your own brain!

Don't depend on dictionaries, they are also book written through man's wisdom and if you're also a man you can do better!

RELIGION is whatever makes you think in a certain direction and expecting or pestering others to think alike!

It has led to killings in most places, it has led to stife between intellectuals, it's the same reason you're always here arguing endlessly over what should be upheld as right or wrong regarding standards. And you already have people taken up the same concept and going about spreading it.
Please what makes it differ from the activities of those you're calling religionists?
All humans are religionists as long as you upholds an ideology and anticipating as well as pestering others to join you!

Only madmen on your streets are totally free from this concept you and i perfectly know this. So stop deceiving yourself as if you don't have a RELIGION!

Ok, why should I take your definition of religion instead of the consensus and standard ones in the dictionaries?

And also with your claim, the definition of CUPS can mean white crazy goats, right?

LabuleofNigeria:




This is where you goofed it all


We have got to the end of the conversation, my dear friend.
Aja tio sonu, koni lailai gbor fere olodeh.. Much love niggah

Do you have problem with "I don't know" or where's is the goofing in my post??