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Rap BattlesRe: Eldee Finally Replies Rhymestein:eldigity Ft Abdullegend Flogcraft! Wackstein! by 04kaa(op): 10:46am On Oct 07, 2010
this is rhymestein diss to eldee http://www.4shared.com/audio/ufiFWAJM/e_dey_pain_u_eldee_Nland_diss_.html

@eldee
u need to come out and show urself, they are all doubting
Rap BattlesRe: Eldee Finally Replies Rhymestein:eldigity Ft Abdullegend Flogcraft! Wackstein! by 04kaa(op): 11:14pm On Oct 06, 2010
Bamsyle.:
shocked shocked

What was that??

O4kaa, that can't be Eldee, talk true . . . grin grin grin

LWKMDFH
then who is ithuhlmao, thats eldee dawg, he sent it to me , all man still dont beleif that eldee can reply,
, yall are still doubting innit?  thats the legendary eldeegy!!!! where is dbr genuflect and sauron grin grin grin  do i look like am playing pranks, thats the legendary eldeegy!!!the warcraft brigadier general,   where is rhymestein,sledge, krayola, dbr ,javalove, mobingo, nellaluv and the rest of my family members??
Rap BattlesRe: Eldee Finally Replies Rhymestein:eldigity Ft Abdullegend Flogcraft! Wackstein! by 04kaa(op): 11:00pm On Oct 06, 2010
semid4lyfe:
eldee needs to find his voice (which was too soft IMO) and make his disses sound more threatening and believable. . .to me he sounded like he was singing disses instead.


Eldee has Abdullegend to thank for winning this battle.
wait a minute .,semilyfe who is abdullegend??, is he an hausa boy in london.lol grin grin
Rap BattlesRe: Eldee Finally Replies Rhymestein:eldigity Ft Abdullegend Flogcraft! Wackstein! by 04kaa(op): 10:40pm On Oct 06, 2010
tosinaded@:
Oh my gawd!

It is wit great pains in our hearts and tears in our eyes that we bring to you the untimely death of rhymstein,who was brutally mudered in cold blood this evening!
Rest in peace. . . .

Who else to report the murder,than rhymsteins ally and one time supporter! Ofoka
tosin i am a neutral person, i do not take sides , my job is similar to that of Don king, i bring the buzz and promote the battles besides i have to set the tone for ROUND 2.
the final showdown btw rhymestein and eldigity is coming sometime in November !!! its on rhymestein to reply back now grin grin
Rap BattlesRe: Eldee Finally Replies Rhymestein:eldigity Ft Abdullegend Flogcraft! Wackstein! by 04kaa(op): 10:30pm On Oct 06, 2010
H.J:
I kinda doubt dat eldee did this. Wetin do him fingers wey him no type am himself and of all people, na him arch enemy dey do the typin and hypin. Na lie, i no believe
LOL. hj there are no arch enemies, we do this for fun dawg,  i expect u to be more matured than that
, eldee come and confirm that the joint is original,they all dont belief that it is the legendary eldee grin

@rhymestein
i advise u start practising ur multis and punchlines, i forsee a round 2 in november or december grin grin
eldee has declared lyrical war on u !!! WARCRAFT 4 COMING SOON RHYMESTEIN VS ELDIGITY! THE FINAL BLOODBATH!
Rap BattlesRe: Eldee Gets What He Deserves,u Ve Been Dissed By Rhymstein,(e Dey Pain U Fr Amaze by 04kaa: 10:01pm On Oct 06, 2010
NOW FIRST OF ALL, THERE SHOULD BE NO BIASE, AFTER OVER 30 DAYS THAT RHYMESTEIN LAUNCHED A LYRICAL ASSAULT ON ELDEE, EVERYONE INCLUDING ELDEE'S MOST VALUABLE CHICS HAVE RAN AWAY FROM THE ELDEE LEGENDARY CAMP, WE GAVE HIM A DEADLINE , HE GAVE HIS WORD TO HONOUR THE BATTLE AND HE HAS HONOURED, ALL NAMECALLING SHOULD END !! , HE NEVER RAPPER BEFORE BUT HE HAD TO REPLY TO RETAIN HIS STREET CREDIBILITY AND LEGENDARY STATUS,
.LADIES AND GENTLEMEN I PRESENT TO U ELDEE'S REPLY TO RHYMESTEIN TITLED ''Eldigity-ft-Abdullegend-Flogcraft

DOWNLOAD AND VOTE WITHOUT BIASE!!! IF THE VOTES REMAIN A DRAW I WILL REQUEST FOR A ROUND 2

http://www.plunder.com/Eldigity-ft-Abdullegend-Flogcraft-download-86ea4a2df6.htm

eldee:
Chei, Wlahahi talai I kill modofuckers
I bad o, Legend to badoooh

bleep the Jigga status, I’m going emphatic
Shady versus Jah, I’ll murder u with no ink
I’m chained to the throne it’s not democratic
bleep Rapjunkie’s wan.k, ain’t about to come quick

Rhymestein’s a jew man, so I murk him like Hitler
Buy out your whole crew yeah keep the change delta
Tosin was shocked you’re as dumb as your posts
He told me to send the naughty woman some Christmas clothes

So he set up a thread, like he captured the belt
Someone tell Rhymestein that he’s flirting with death
This monkey posts no threat, he just lost the set
Modenine and Eldee get your small cock erect

Chei, I don die, Legend I talk say Rhymestein get Wande Coal manliness??
Alhamdudulai, I be Wackstein to bad ooh
I flog small pikin with D’banj koboko.

Nigga I stopped flossing, it’s time to go irate
bleep the cocksuckers, I’m the only man I rate
Burnt down your crew like Somalian Pirates
Kill you and wash hand I’m so Pontius Pilate

This is no contest like an INEC election
Rhymestein don’t count like a second impression.
I’m a beast from the east, y’all are lost boys
Negro I won the war,watchu won was the coin-toss

I no dey do orals but I’ll eat this kitty
I’ll leave you with no air I’m so Chris Brizzy
We aint in the same league like Swindon and Chelsea
I cut out the bull like the Catalans no Messi

Legend I dey crase, I wan cut out the bull??
Bull I being dey import from Kano, give Rhymestein mama for free
Walahi that yarinya I sabi give better bulljob, I mean fluting
But she dey give my bull fluting

Codeword is D.B.R, DaBaRu these bitches
Eat your head for dinner, make your mum do the dishes
You step in the club and the chics turn lesbian
Your real name’s ‘Otu’ why they calling you Rhymestein??

Igbins boy so I rob the shops at cashpoint
My swagger’s so Federer, yeah I call it game-point
It’s Warcraft Open and I’m not getting no love
Roger that bitches, matchpoint 1-love

Now this ugly nigga is wanking over me on Facebook
Remove J. Cole’s pic and let’s see how your face looks
Next time you wanna use my name to entertain
Stick your manliness in your mouth and fun’rae ni brain.

Chei Eldee, I mean I want Rhymestein I give himself head??
Me sef I wan do punshline, ‘see Rhymestein long neck like a guinea foul’
Walahi, I write am before before…Modenine I bite me
Eldee dambourouba shege I too bad ooh…end the track, I don kill Rhymestein

Eh Rhymestein, tell your papa make im send tuition fees as Legend don school your family
Whalahi, infact keep am, I nor wan make your fafa dey broke for life
Efribody make I dey give sarah to Little Saints Orphanage, the Tsunami Appeal and the ‘Save the Omoregbe Family’ Fund.

Walahi I nor dey send shoutout. . . no shoutout for D.B.R I forcing me to do this…no shoutout to Ibime, Hax, Bamsyle, Wordsmith, Lalaboi and Sauron, God go fonish all those aboki wey tell legend make he chop kitty when e be Ramadan. Infact bleep my Egbeda mallam Chamotex and Genuflirt.
Me I nor go shoutout my sis Morenike and Ibkaye…
Elrazur and Krayola, Slimshay I too good for shoutout and H.J, Mykali and Mobinga, Kaypmpin, Semid4lyfe, shoutout to Bamsyle, but your mama sppose abort u ko.
Javalove…if I make noise, I go report you to your papa wey e be Ruggedman
Googles and Nike4luv, me I be Mallam, I go marry two of una, i go be my wife number 29.
No shoutout for anyone on Nairaland, shebi I don get shoutout ontop that wackstein track,

Walahi I amaze as Rhymestein I make amazing beat turn wack with amaze ontop am…
Chei Bambourouba ShegeI don talk too much, I don forget all the ladies wey I dey chirps on top Nairaland…chei I too sick make I come dey go hospital.
Rap BattlesEldee Finally Replies Rhymestein:eldigity Ft Abdullegend Flogcraft! Wackstein! by 04kaa(op): 9:45pm On Oct 06, 2010
NOW FIRST OF ALL, THERE SHOULD BE NO BIASE, AFTER OVER 30 DAYS THAT RHYMESTEIN LAUNCHED A LYRICAL ASSAULT ON ELDEE, EVERYONE INCLUDING ELDEE'S MOST VALUABLE CHICS HAVE RAN AWAY FROM THE ELDEE LEGENDARY CAMP, WE GAVE HIM A DEADLINE , HE GAVE HIS WORD TO HONOUR THE BATTLE AND HE HAS HONOURED, ALL NAMECALLING SHOULD END !! , HE NEVER RAPPED BEFORE BUT HE HAD TO REPLY TO RETAIN HIS STREET CREDIBILITY AND LEGENDARY STATUS,
.LADIES AND GENTLEMEN I PRESENT TO U ELDEE'S REPLY TO RHYMESTEIN TITLED ''Eldigity-ft-Abdullegend-Flogcraft

DOWNLOAD AND VOTE WITHOUT BIASE!!!  IF THE VOTES REMAIN A DRAW I WILL REQUEST FOR A ROUND 2

this is eldee's reply to rhymestein http://www.plunder.com/Eldigity-ft-Abdullegend-Flogcraft-download-86ea4a2df6.htm

this is rhymestein diss to eldee http://www.4shared.com/audio/ufiFWAJM/e_dey_pain_u_eldee_Nland_diss_.html

eldee:
Chei, Wlahahi talai I kill modofuckers
I bad o, Legend to badoooh

bleep the Jigga status, I’m going emphatic
Shady versus Jah, I’ll murder u with no ink
I’m chained to the throne it’s not democratic
bleep  Rapjunkie’s wan.k, ain’t about to come quick

Rhymestein’s a jew man, so I murk him like Hitler
Buy out your whole crew yeah keep the change delta
Tosin was shocked you’re as dumb as your posts
He told me to send the naughty woman some Christmas clothes

So he set up a thread, like he captured the belt
Someone tell Rhymestein that he’s flirting with death
This monkey posts no threat, he just lost the set
Modenine and Eldee get your small cock erect

Chei, I don die, Legend I talk say Rhymestein get Wande Coal manliness??
Alhamdudulai, I be Wackstein to bad ooh
I flog small pikin with D’banj koboko.

Nigga I stopped flossing, it’s time to go irate
bleep the cocksuckers, I’m the only man I rate
Burnt down your crew like Somalian Pirates
Kill you and wash hand I’m so Pontius Pilate

This is no contest like an INEC election
Rhymestein don’t count like a second impression.
I’m a beast from the east, y’all are lost boys
Negro I won the war,watchu won was the coin-toss

I no dey do orals but I’ll eat this kitty
I’ll leave you with no air I’m so Chris Brizzy
We aint in the same league like Swindon and Chelsea
I cut out the bull like the Catalans no Messi

Legend I dey crase, I wan cut out the bull??
Bull I being dey import from Kano, give Rhymestein mama for free
Walahi that yarinya I sabi give better bulljob, I mean fluting
But she dey give my bull fluting

Codeword is D.B.R, DaBaRu these bitches
Eat your head for dinner, make your mum do the dishes
You step in the club and the chics turn lesbian
Your real name’s ‘Otu’  why they calling you Rhymestein??

Igbins boy so I rob the shops at cashpoint
My swagger’s so Federer, yeah I call it game-point
It’s Warcraft Open and I’m not getting no love
Roger that bitches, matchpoint 1-love

Now this ugly nigga is wanking over me on Facebook
Remove J. Cole’s pic and let’s see how your face looks
Next time you wanna use my name to entertain
Stick your manliness in your mouth and fun’rae  ni brain.

Chei Eldee, I mean I want Rhymestein I give himself head??
Me sef I wan do punshline, ‘see Rhymestein long neck like a guinea foul’
Walahi, I write am before before…Modenine I bite me
Eldee dambourouba shege I too bad ooh…end the track, I don kill Rhymestein

Eh Rhymestein, tell your papa make im send tuition fees as Legend don school your family
Whalahi, infact keep am, I nor wan make your fafa dey broke for life
Efribody make I dey give sarah to Little Saints Orphanage, the Tsunami Appeal and the ‘Save the Omoregbe Family’ Fund.

Walahi I nor dey send shoutout. . . no shoutout for D.B.R I forcing me to do this…no shoutout to Ibime, Hax, Bamsyle, Wordsmith, Lalaboi and Sauron, God go fonish all those aboki wey tell legend make he chop kitty when e be Ramadan. Infact bleep my Egbeda mallam Chamotex and Genuflirt.
Me I nor go shoutout my sis Morenike and Ibkaye…
Elrazur and Krayola, Slimshay I too good for shoutout and H.J, Mykali and Mobinga, Kaypmpin, Semid4lyfe, shoutout to Bamsyle, but your mama sppose abort u ko.
Javalove…if I make noise, I go report you to your papa wey e be Ruggedman
Googles and Nike4luv, me I be Mallam, I go marry two of una, i go be my  wife number 29.
No shoutout for anyone on Nairaland, shebi I don get shoutout ontop that wackstein track,

Walahi I amaze as Rhymestein I make amazing beat turn wack with amaze ontop am…
Chei Bambourouba ShegeI don talk too much, I don forget all the ladies wey I dey chirps on top Nairaland…chei I too sick make I come dey go hospital.
Rap BattlesRe: Eldee Gets What He Deserves,u Ve Been Dissed By Rhymstein,(e Dey Pain U Fr Amaze by 04kaa: 9:21am On Oct 06, 2010
eldee:
Oh fuckkking hell . . . are you guys still on this??
yes we are boy, we were born to have fun man, dont kill this fun eldee pls!!! reply , u need to reply.! oh my gosh eldee has replied.!! grin
this is rhymesteins murder
Music/RadioRe: Da-whizkid's New Freestyle; Help Me Improve. by 04kaa: 8:35am On Oct 06, 2010
the song is nice in my opinion berra than the last one i heard, btw u ave improved a lot, well done whizkid, but dont forget u have to battle sledge grin grin
Music/RadioRe: Da-whizkid's New Freestyle; Help Me Improve. by 04kaa: 6:37pm On Oct 05, 2010
da-whizkid:
Baba, but that one no be the purpose of this thread na. . .
OMO ALL JOIN O, DON KING DEY PROMOTE BATTLE grin U DEY FEAR SLEDGE?
Music/RadioRe: Drake Trynna Diss J.Cole? by 04kaa: 6:36pm On Oct 05, 2010
Genuflect:
Lmaoo. The syllable of my name no fear you ni? A-ra-kan-gu-du!!!!! Who dash you Yemoja?? So you be woman abi? Lol. Me wey dey use Mermaid chop peppersoup. Chukwudi dey vess ooo
HE BE LIKE SAY U NEVER SABI WHO YEMOJA BE? ORISHA METALA TONGBE NU OMI TUTU , YEMOJA WAN CHOP PERSON O. ARANKANGUDU LOOOLE!!
grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Music/RadioRe: Hhj by 04kaa: 5:34pm On Oct 05, 2010
ur username big head makes me laugh, just press record ;d
Music/RadioRe: Da-whizkid's New Freestyle; Help Me Improve. by 04kaa: 5:34pm On Oct 05, 2010
ITS DA WHIZKID VS SLEDGE NEXT., NEXT BATTLE, GENUFLECT WHERE ARE U. BATTLE DON LAND O grin

SLEDGE WHERE ARE U ??
Music/RadioRe: Rugged Don Reply 9ice by 04kaa: 5:28pm On Oct 05, 2010
da-whizkid:
SLEDGE Bas.t.ard! If u know say u get Head at all, make u bust for audio. Nairalanders r waiting for you, put your 'audio' where your mouth is.
I'm in School now bt if the Bas.t.ard drop an audio diss, I swear i go reply in 7days!
SLEDGE THIS IS AN INSULT, WHIZKID HAS CHALLENGED U OPENLY, ARE U GOING TO CHICKEN OUThuh CHICKEN grin grin
Music/RadioRe: Rugged Don Reply 9ice by 04kaa: 4:29pm On Oct 05, 2010
sledge406:
Call am anything you like Ofoka but heaven know say I nor dey do audio and I nor dey play with lyrics (Painful tho angry) but make e take am as e see am and bring wetin e get.

dawinchpikin for use im eye take see im ear.
THE PEOPLE WEY DEY BATTLE HAVENT DONE AUDIOS UNTIL BATTLE BELL RANG FOR THEM, RHYMESTEIN NEVER RAPPED B4, SO IT CAN BE UR FIRST TIME TO, AND WHO KNOWS IT MAY BE UR SPECIAL TALENT, OR ARE U SCARED OF DA-WHIZKID NOW I USED TO THINK U WERE LION HEARTED , I DIDNT KNOW U WERE A SISI. SLEDGE MY FOOT, DA-WHIZKID OYA COME AND BATTLE SLEGDE O grin grin
Music/RadioRe: Drake Trynna Diss J.Cole? by 04kaa: 4:25pm On Oct 05, 2010
Genuflect:
. You don forget say na me give am the right to call you her bingo. Don't fukk with Arakangudu!! grin ;DLmaoo. Na Chukwudi o grin
IF ILEKE IDI NA CHUKWUDI grin THEN SHE MUST BE A VERY DUMB CHUKWUDI AT THAT grin
DONT FORGET SAY ARANKANGUDU ALWAYS BOWS TO THUNDERMAN YEMOJA OSHA METALA grin
ABI ARANKANGUDU WAN CHOP HIM POUNDED YAM WITHOUT SOUP?? grin
Rap BattlesRe: Eldee Gets What He Deserves,u Ve Been Dissed By Rhymstein,(e Dey Pain U Fr Amaze by 04kaa: 4:13pm On Oct 05, 2010
Genuflect:
All these chicks sef dey make pesin. Dem dey wind you. You sef come dey winding the winding grin grin
GENU M, MAKE I DEY CATCH MY MAGA DEY GO JARE grin CHIBABY WHERE ARE U?COME OUT NOW
Rap BattlesRe: Eldee Gets What He Deserves,u Ve Been Dissed By Rhymstein,(e Dey Pain U Fr Amaze by 04kaa: 3:48pm On Oct 05, 2010
chi-baby:
When i sed wat i sed did u hear yo name? huh huh Why are people naturally daft?
you are about to find out why, just keep coming at me, ask them who ofoka is grin grin
Rap BattlesRe: Eldee Gets What He Deserves,u Ve Been Dissed By Rhymstein,(e Dey Pain U Fr Amaze by 04kaa: 2:49pm On Oct 05, 2010
chi-baby:
I jus expressed my opinion and you hve stupidly expressed urz so itz all bless wink
i dnt engage in exchangin words wiv down-right fools especially not on NL huh waste ov my precious time FOOL smiley
e be like say them wan punish ya kitten for here, u shoulda known that b4 u opened ur gutter filled maggot stinkin mouth to criticise anyone here
abi u want me to set up chiogo vs chi-baby or nellaluv vs chibaby
or ileke vs chi-baby lipsrsealed
Music/RadioRe: Drake Trynna Diss J.Cole? by 04kaa: 2:44pm On Oct 05, 2010
D-sense:
pls who is ofoka
you must be very stooopid not to know who ofoka is grin grin

ileke idi:
You mean "FireWorks- Drake ft. Keys"? Keys messed it up. Hey voice is annoying in that song.
I asked yu to show me the title jor, this one is too much talk nau.

O4kaa is my bingo lol. You dont have to "fe mi" to miss me
ileke idi you are foolish, u have always been daft anyway grin
Music/RadioRe: Rugged Don Reply 9ice by 04kaa: 2:40pm On Oct 05, 2010
da-whizkid:
Drop Wetin? ? ? ? Notice me ke? ? Plus na why my name dey sweet 4 your mouth? D' u have a crush on me? ? ? ?
i consider this a challenge by da-whizkid on slegde406, ladies and gentlemen we have another nairaland classic battle
its da-whizkid VS slegde406 !!

sledge406:
Da-winch pikin. . .Make lightning faya your left balls and leave u deaf.
Retard wen too dey ask questions!!!

I just flip dictionary for the word gay/HOMO/GAY and na your pictures I dey see everywhere as d description cos no words for am.
i consider this a challenge by da-whizkid on slegde406, ladies and gentlemen we have another nairaland classic battle
its da-whizkid VS slegde406 !! tongue cool shocked. SLEDGE TAKE THE FIRST DISS ATTACK , DA-WHIZKID ABI U DEY FEAR?? AUDIO GUYS!
Music/RadioRe: ~terry Tha Rapman – Official Track Listing ~ by 04kaa: 10:12pm On Oct 04, 2010
Genuflect:
Lol. Na true naw. At least if you wan form hardcore, try sabi rap. Infact if you wan do any genre of Hip-Hop, JUST KNOW HOW TO RAP!! Na dem go first yab mainstream Hip-Hop o, but dem no sabi rap. LWKMD!!!! Am I the only one getting this joke? This irony is too funny!!!!!! grin
lwkmdtm, what surprises me most is the way they were yabbing MI the other day , as if they can spit half as good as mi, even rhymestein on his worse day will floor all of them, them go dey form hiphop head /hardcore rapper. grin grin grin rapper my foot grin grin grin grin
Music/RadioRe: Obi Asika (CEO, Storm Records) Talks Naeto C's Upcoming Album, Storm by 04kaa: 9:56pm On Oct 04, 2010
I HOPE OBI AND NAETO ARE NOT UNLEASHING SHIKENA SHIKENA SHIKENA O ON US PLUS OTHER FORMS OF WACKNESS ON US, NAETO BERRA COME TIGHT, WE ARE TIRED OF ALL THIS ALBUM FAILURE THIS YEAR.,, WE NEED A SURPRISE ! grin grin AND PLS DONT SING SHIKENA SHIKENA U AND DOWN THIS TIME
Rap BattlesRe: Eldee Gets What He Deserves,u Ve Been Dissed By Rhymstein,(e Dey Pain U Fr Amaze by 04kaa: 9:54pm On Oct 04, 2010
chi-baby:
@topic

Am sorry but i jus cudnt finish listenin 2 da track. sad It gave me instant headache! Da rappin dnt even ryhme wiv da beat of da song geiz! huh
WHO CARES WHAT U FEEL ABOUT THE SONGhuh NO BE ONLY INSTANT HAEADACHE U GO GET,,,,U GO SOON GET KWASHIOKOR FROM LISTENING TO THE SONG,, GOATS AND RAM DEY COMMENT EVEN CENTIPEDE DEY SHOW FACE grin grin AS IF WE CARE ABOUT U
Music/RadioRe: Rugged Don Reply 9ice by 04kaa: 9:51pm On Oct 04, 2010
from the beginning of the diss to the present state,. SERIKI IS THE ONLY STAR THAT BLEW UP , THE REST NA SO SO grin grin SERIKI OMO ORO!!!!
Music/RadioRe: ~terry Tha Rapman – Official Track Listing ~ by 04kaa: 9:48pm On Oct 04, 2010
Genuflect:
LWKMD!!!! And na these Osagz and co go dey form real Hip-Hop. Shiooor
lmfao, ha genuflect , una dey wicked, imagine what will go thru thier mind when they read ur comment,. lmkmd grin grin
Music/RadioRe: Dbanj Is Becoming Wack,: Or Is It My Ears? by 04kaa(op): 7:41am On Oct 03, 2010
spikedcylinder:
E f'oje le, e ye f'oje je wa mo. O critical! grin grin grin
File! grin grin grin grin
spiked mottherfuxkkin cylinder grin grin
Music/RadioRe: Rugged Don Reply 9ice by 04kaa: 10:55am On Oct 01, 2010
did anyone notice that chinaydu did not take any shots at serikihuh chinaydu is scared of seriki omo owo!! grin grin

watch out for seriki attacks rugged part 2!! jo orrh!seriki omo oro!
Music/RadioRe: Rugged Don Reply 9ice by 04kaa: 10:59pm On Sep 30, 2010
cold:
@ ofoka Yh i get your drift.It shld all be for fun & entertainment.Nuthin serious,unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case.This whole ish just went up a notch or two.
well u got a good point there sha. but.i still wonder why rugged is scared to battle himself,
that is regarded as cowardice in some quarters grin grin


cold:
As for you waypavers i'll revisit your case at the appriopriate tym
lmfao, sledge another battle is here, its cold vs wavpayers grin grin grin

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