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Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by agabaI23(m): 8:10pm On Jul 31, 2012
Sisi_Kill:

If my daughter has consistently come 40th out of 40th. . .then yes I would see 30th as improvement.

However that is not the case here, power supply has been erratic. . .Good for 5 days, horrible for another 10, beyond horrible for another 20 then we have another 10 days of half current, 4 days quarter current, no current for 12 days and high current for 1 min (because all your bulb have exploded as a result) Let's even talk of the days where the current is at the highest, you have to shut everything off so you don't get electrocuted.

So going back to the scenario with my daughter. . .If she has been all over the place with her results like the Power Supply, NO WAY IN HELL I will be applauding any change until it lasts longer than the all the previous changes.
I can say very well that prior to the middle of last year, it has been 40th out of 40 in most places. The difference now is that it is 30th out of 40 in most place. We have never had it 'so good'

As per the duration change I will explain with trend rather than overall stability. Look at the graph below. The graph shows a positive trend represented by the straight line which indicates an overall increase not minding the sharp reductions experienced at times.

The power supply for the last six months has assumed a positive trend. The average supply to end users has increased over all even though it has not remained stable all through at the desired level. That is what we are saying. Fortunately it has been a lot better recently. There was a thread like this in MAY, another in JUNE and now this one. The discussion has seen less decent with time. Look for the threads and you will see for yourself.

Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by agabaI23(m): 8:12pm On Jul 31, 2012
Kobojunkie: [size=13pt]If Child A consistently comes 40th out of 40 . . . but after coaching, and maybe counselling, improves to position 30, that is considered is a record-able, and verifiable improvement.

However, if the same Child A, after attaining and maintaining 30th place out of 40 [/b]for a period of time, comes back at the end of one term in [b]36th out of 40 place, that is not an improvement. I don't care if the teacher's comment when handing the child's Report Card to you was "Child A smiles more these day, and draws smiley pictures too", that is not an improvement. More-so when we consider the Billions of Dollars of our money being spent on this still[/size].

Look at my reply above
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by Kobojunkie: 8:12pm On Jul 31, 2012
agabaI23:

Look at my reply above

You lied in your response. Re-read my post to understand how.
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by onthefence: 8:14pm On Jul 31, 2012
Sisi_Kill:

Dude when I leave work for home, I know for SURE that there will be light. I know there won't be any surprises, like watching a movie and the screen going blank at the most interesting part. There is no fear of tripping down the stairs because the lights suddenly go off in mid-step.

I am not saying these things to "show off", it is just to show you that there is nothing to be unhappy about. So when you guys throw out words and phrases like Jealousy, doomed, can't stand to be happy. . .you leave us wondering if maybe there isn't a little projecting going on here. In case you don't know what that means. . .this is when you imagine what you are really feeling is being felt by someone else.

So tell me, are you feeling doomed? Are you unhappy? Talk to me. cheesy cheesy

Why did you have to veer from the cheer of our improved power to the doom of the Indian misfortune of the last few days? You don't even believe its working in Naija and sought to rob it in with the Indian scenario. Cheer up for once mate.
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by agabaI23(m): 8:19pm On Jul 31, 2012
black_beau: a[b]s much as i actually enjoy reading the 'crucify Jona 'comments,i think we should at least give credit where due.I shuttle between Akwa Ibom,Cross River And Portharcourt.I must say that for the past three months,at those three different locations,light has been better than before.at least we have light sixteen hours a day as opposed to the former practice of no light for two to thhree days[/b][font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]

This is another testimony for you Sis_kill and Ileke-idi who are asking if it will last?
16 hours daily for 3 months is not good enough but it is better than before
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by agabaI23(m): 8:25pm On Jul 31, 2012
Kobojunkie:

You lied in your response. Re-read my post to understand how.
No I did not lie kobo see this portion:
As per the duration change I will explain with trend rather than overall stability. Look at the graph below. The graph shows a positive trend represented by the straight line which indicates an overall increase not minding the sharp reductions experienced at times
The sharp reductions experienced as was also shown in the graph is the same as moving from 40th to 30th and then back to 36th. The trend has shown an increase. Before 6 months ago, it was more of a zig-zag graph but things have changed. The drops do not go back to 40th. Again since 6 months ago, it has managed to add to previous starts which is why we have the positive trend.
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by ITbomb(m): 8:27pm On Jul 31, 2012
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Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by Kobojunkie: 8:37pm On Jul 31, 2012
agabaI23:
No I did not lie kobo see this portion:
The sharp reductions experienced as was also shown in the graph is the same as moving from 40th to 30th and then back to 36th. The trend has shown an increase. Before 6 months ago, it was more of a zig-zag graph but things have changed. The drops do not go back to 40th. Again since 6 months ago, it has managed to add to previous starts which is why we have the positive trend.

I know what you are trying to do but sorry, I don't believe it works here. In fact, I say you lie because if applied to what we have been focused on for the past 12 pages, what you have done is lie.

We are not plotting a graph over a period of time -- none of you have even made serious attempts to consider any of the figures put forth and the periods to begin with. We have, over the past 12 pages, been considering what constitutes an improvement over what we know we have had for sometime now(not 10/8/7/5/6/3/2 years ago, but more like the last time we had one of these threads on Nairaland)-- We have been considering what we have today and whether it constitutes an improvement in the real sense of the word when compared to recent months.

I have been one of the few here trying to instead collect figures and dates in other to draw a more defined idea of what would constitute an increase. However many of you have instead continued to suggest that OPINIONS are all that should matter.
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by agabaI23(m): 8:43pm On Jul 31, 2012
Well if that does not make any sense to you, then no problems. Lets watch and wait.
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by dougivilla(m): 9:08pm On Jul 31, 2012
agabaI23: Well if that does not make any sense to you, then no problems. Lets watch and wait.
U were not wishing to have any constructive dialogue with a paid PHD (pull him down) agent, were u?

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Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by occam(m): 9:20pm On Jul 31, 2012
agabaI23:
I can say very well that prior to the middle of last year, it has been 40th out of 40 in most places. The difference now is that it is 30th out of 40 in most place. We have never had it 'so good'

As per the duration change I will explain with trend rather than overall stability. Look at the graph below. The graph shows a positive trend represented by the straight line which indicates an overall increase not minding the sharp reductions experienced at times.

The power supply for the last six months has assumed a positive trend. The average supply to end users has increased over all even though it has not remained stable all through at the desired level. That is what we are saying. Fortunately it has been a lot better recently. There was a thread like this in MAY, another in JUNE and now this one. The discussion has seen less decent with time. Look for the threads and you will see for yourself.

what the heck is this your graph? Using birth rate graph to show supply of electricity. seriously? Am I missing something. In your haste to copy & paste you didn't check. abi
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by SisiKill1: 9:25pm On Jul 31, 2012
agabaI23:
I can say very well that prior to the middle of last year, it has been 40th out of 40 in most places. The difference now is that it is 30th out of 40 in most place. We have never had it 'so good'

As per the duration change I will explain with trend rather than overall stability. Look at the graph below. The graph shows a positive trend represented by the straight line which indicates an overall increase not minding the sharp reductions experienced at times.

The power supply for the last six months has assumed a positive trend. The average supply to end users has increased over all even though it has not remained stable all through at the desired level. That is what we are saying. Fortunately it has been a lot better recently. There was a thread like this in MAY, another in JUNE and now this one. The discussion has seen less decent with time. Look for the threads and you will see for yourself.

Uncle this is what I meant by Erratic


Mar 23, 2010
Join Us To Celebrate 96hours Power Non Stop As Phcn Turn New Leaf
https://www.nairaland.com/417851/join-us-celebrate-96hours-power

Jan 27, 2011
Fg Adds 188mgw To Power, As Supply Sits 3,800mgw
https://www.nairaland.com/593977/fg-adds-188mgw-power-supply

Feb 04, 2011
Up From 3,800mw Last Week, Power Generation Hits 4,000mw
https://www.nairaland.com/599082/up-3800mw-last-week-power

Aug 25, 2011
Nigeria's Power Supply Has Dropped By 1,000MW
https://www.nairaland.com/744776/nigerias-power-supply-dropped-1000mw

Sep 08, 2011
Power Projects At 80% Completion, Says Govt
https://www.nairaland.com/754608/power-projects-80-completion-says

Sep 30, 2011
P[b]ower supply improves on 4300mw generation[/b]
https://www.nairaland.com/771632/power-supply-improves-4300mw-generation

Oct 20, 2011
Poor Dam Designs Causes 3,600MW Loss Of Power Generation
https://www.nairaland.com/786004/poor-dam-designs-causes-3600mw

Dec 01, 2011
Power Supply To Increase By 600MW This Month
https://www.nairaland.com/815060/power-supply-increase-600mw-this/1

Feb 13, 2012
Power Supply Drops To 3,900mw
https://www.nairaland.com/869706/power-supply-drops-3900mw

May 18
Ondo & Ekiti States In Total Blackout For 7days And Still Counting?
https://www.nairaland.com/941401/ondo-ekiti-states-total-blackout


And if I wasn't such a lazy person. . .I am sure I can find a dozen more threads like that.

One minute they say bad dam design is the reason for poor power supply. . .have they fixed the dam? If they haven't fixed it how can power improve (This was what Kobo was STRESSING yesterday and for some reason. . .you chose to ignore it).

Then in September 2011, they 80% of power project is complete. . .not long after that cities where plunged into darkness.

Another month, we are celebration 96 hours of light. . .the month after we are wondering when we will ever see light.

The Megawatts drop like it is a ping pong ball. . .one month it 4800, the month after it 3000.

With all that in mind. . .WHAT THEN ARE WE CELEBRATING ON THIS THREAD?! 96hrs of light? Didn't we do that already. . .what did we have to show for it?


Going back to my daughter's Analogy. . .all of that position under ONE LESSON TEACHER and you want me to pat her on the back because she did better today than she did last week? As if!!

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Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by agabaI23(m): 10:13pm On Jul 31, 2012
Sisi_Kill:

Uncle this is what I meant by Erratic


Mar 23, 2010
Join Us To Celebrate 96hours Power Non Stop As Phcn Turn New Leaf
https://www.nairaland.com/417851/join-us-celebrate-96hours-power

Jan 27, 2011
Fg Adds 188mgw To Power, As Supply Sits 3,800mgw
https://www.nairaland.com/593977/fg-adds-188mgw-power-supply

Feb 04, 2011
Up From 3,800mw Last Week, Power Generation Hits 4,000mw
https://www.nairaland.com/599082/up-3800mw-last-week-power

Aug 25, 2011
Nigeria's Power Supply Has Dropped By 1,000MW
https://www.nairaland.com/744776/nigerias-power-supply-dropped-1000mw

Sep 08, 2011
Power Projects At 80% Completion, Says Govt
https://www.nairaland.com/754608/power-projects-80-completion-says

Sep 30, 2011
P[b]ower supply improves on 4300mw generation[/b]
https://www.nairaland.com/771632/power-supply-improves-4300mw-generation

Oct 20, 2011
Poor Dam Designs Causes 3,600MW Loss Of Power Generation
https://www.nairaland.com/786004/poor-dam-designs-causes-3600mw

Dec 01, 2011
Power Supply To Increase By 600MW This Month
https://www.nairaland.com/815060/power-supply-increase-600mw-this/1

Feb 13, 2012
Power Supply Drops To 3,900mw
https://www.nairaland.com/869706/power-supply-drops-3900mw

May 18
Ondo & Ekiti States In Total Blackout For 7days And Still Counting?
https://www.nairaland.com/941401/ondo-ekiti-states-total-blackout


And if I wasn't such a lazy person. . .I am sure I can find a dozen more threads like that.

One minute they say bad dam design is the reason for poor power supply. . .have they fixed the dam? If they haven't fixed it how can power improve (This was what Kobo was STRESSING yesterday and for some reason. . .you chose to ignore it).

Then in September 2011, they 80% of power project is complete. . .not long after that cities where plunged into darkness.

Another month, we are celebration 96 hours of light. . .the month after we are wondering when we will ever see light.

The Megawatts drop like it is a ping pong ball. . .one month it 4800, the month after it 3000.

With all that in mind. . .WHAT THEN ARE WE CELEBRATING ON THIS THREAD?! 96hrs of light? Didn't we do that already. . .what did we have to show for it?


Going back to my daughter's Analogy. . .all of that position under ONE LESSON TEACHER and you want me to pat her on the back because she did better today than she did last week? As if!!
First of all, all the links are referring to what the government said.
Here we are debating what individual Nigerians have experienced.
Those pronouncements are different from end users experience which is the basis of this thread. I earlier told you there are threads like this for May,2012, June, 2012 and then this one. Refer to the previous two and compare.

Finally, did you deliberately decide to ignore the trend analysis view point?

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Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by SisiKill1: 10:36pm On Jul 31, 2012
agabaI23:
First of all, all the links are referring to what the government said.
Here we are debating what individual Nigerians have experienced.
Those pronouncements are different from end users experience which is the basis of this thread. I earlier told you there are threads like this for May,2012, June, 2012 and then this one. Refer to the previous two and compare.

Finally, did you deliberately decide to ignore the trend analysis view point?

I'm sure if we search, we will also find trend analysis for any of the months above where supply was fantastic and it would match what you have up there. So let's leave that to side.

I don't think we can talk about the end users without bringing up what the FG has said because what the end users say is predicated on what the FG has said and this is clearly detailed in all the threads.

If FG didn't say they will improve power supply the end users won't be here today ready put the credit for a tiny spurt of change on the FG's lap. That's the whole point of this thread, no? To heap praises on GEJ because Power is improving.

Bottom line - Going by previous experiences. . it is TOO SOON to break out the Disco Dancing Shoes, that's all we are saying.
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by SisiKill1: 10:45pm On Jul 31, 2012
Wait a second. . .are you trying to pull a fast one with that graph??

I just studied the darn thing and what the hell


See me thinking we were talking electricity!!

[img]https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/773692_awd-alb-fig1_gif96bcba0351802d500966c6d802708f3d[/img]

Even if this were a Truly a Power supply Trend analysis, it won't have made any difference. . .because I am sure I can find a graph that would show the same thing for months when supply was okay in the past.
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by agabaI23(m): 10:55pm On Jul 31, 2012
Sisi_Kill: Wait a second. . .are you trying to pull a fast one with that graph??

I just studied the darn thing and what the hell


See me thinking we were talking electricity!!

[img]https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/773692_awd-alb-fig1_gif96bcba0351802d500966c6d802708f3d[/img]

Even if this were a Truly a Power supply Trend analysis, it won't have made any difference. . .because I am sure I can find a graph that would show the same thing for months when supply was okay in the past.

No I wasn't, i was using that graph to explain a trend. I wanted to point out the fact that having a depreciation in end user experience may not affect the over trend. The reason for the graph was the straight line which represent a positive trend even in the presence negative points in 1983, 88/89 and 93. Those are years, we are talking about months here
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by taharqa: 10:59pm On Jul 31, 2012
Power is actually improving at least I can attest to that. In Benin City for instance, people hardly use generators much as one now expects Power for at least 20hrs a day; and this has generally been the case since the middle of last year except for a period of time early this year when there was a general problem with electricity nationally. While one would still want to be cautiously optimist about this new improved situation cos this has happened before yet we went back to the old 'no light' situation later, it seem there really are NOW signs that perhaps this improvement is for real. There definitely is a better organized and focused Power Ministry that seem to be alive to its work and a Minister who has finally resolved to deal with many of the saboteurs we have in the system. For instance, the reaction to the dip in Power generation and distribution we experienced early this year was followed by the swift sack of the heads of TCN who the Minister accused of sabotage(since then there have been improvements). There also seem to have been improved Distribution and Transmission facilities than we had before such the end-users are getting much better power than the smaller increase in Generation would suggest.
SOURCE: http://www.informationnigeria.org/2012/04/govt-fires-phcn-chiefs-over-outage.html

The really significant thing for me though is that the Power Reform Process seem to been going according to plan this time around and it seem very likely now that we would see the end of the Privatization Process before the end of October. Below is a sketch of some of the steps already taken 1. The passage of d Power Reform Bill some years ago(which laid the legal framework for the actors in the Power Sector) 2. The unbundling of PHCN into 18 holding companies last year. 3. The start of d new investment-leaning Tariff Structure this July(This honestly was the first REAL sign for me that the government was now serious in privatizing the sector). 4. The almost complete conclusion of the termination process of the current 'PHCN' workers prior to their selective re-absorption by the proposed new owners( though there seem to be some problems with the workers' Pensions at the moment). 5. The take-over of the Transmission Company by a well-known international company(MHI) so as to reorganized and manage it before handing it back to the govt(PS: Probably so that there will be less saboteurs in the system going forward, the minister insisted that MHI bring 8 senior staff who will take over the management of the company while current Nigerian management staff act as their assistants for the 3-year period) 6. The close of the submission of d bidding process for sale of d 17 Generation holding companies two weeks ago. 7. And just yesterday, the close of the submission of bids for the Distribution companies, again on schedule.

Just yesterday the govt insisted that the time-line WILL be followed(as they seem to have been doing) and have re-started the important dates again:

"Briefing newsmen at the end of the NCP meeting on Monday, the Director General for Bureau for Public Enterprises (BPE), Ms Bolanle Onagorowa, said that the July 31 deadline for the submission of the bids for the Distribution Company of the PHCN remained sacrosanct as the Council vowed to strictly adhere to its timeline on the exercise...BPE boss also stated that the Council would meet on August 24 to reveal the bidders that passed the technical evaluation for the Generation companies’ bidders. She also disclosed that the Council would meet on September 11 to reveal the list of bidders that passed technical evaluation for the Distribution Companies.
Onagoruwa also stated that the financial bids opening for the Generation companies will be on September 25, while financial bid opening for the Distribution companies will be on October, 8. She also added that the Council would give final approval for the commercial bids for Distribution Companies on October, 22.

SOURCE: http://www.worldstagegroup.com/worldstagenew/index.php?active=news&newscid=5519&catid=26

One can imagine what will happen if this process concludes and Power generation and Distribution is privatized. It is also great that States have finally been granted approvals to distribute the Power it generates directly to its citizens- this is not just great news for states like Rivers, Bayelsa and Akwa Ibom but will hopefully also create some sought of competition amongst other states who would then be 'blackmailed' into generating Power for their own people(either solely or more likely in conjunction with Private Investors).

IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT THIS PROCESS IS SEEN TO ITS LOGICAL CONCLUSION AS THIS MAY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT PROCESS THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT HAVE EVER TAKEN , AND IT IS HAPPENING BEFORE OUR VERY EYES. We should not forget these dates(August24, September 11, September 25, October 8, October 22) and should insist that they are followed through please. This is where we need the Critics the most.

PLEASE SHARE. Thanks
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by porka: 11:52pm On Jul 31, 2012
Kobojunkie:

Again, you don't get to tack on the word 'fact' to the end of anything you say. Compared to what we had, it is NO FACT that the situation as improved. If anything, we are lower than where we were in January of 2012. The fact is the numbers do not agree with your claim. We are currently lower on average than we were in , say February 2012, January 2012, in December 2011, in September 2011 (note these are dates I am able to somewhat verify average generation/outs into grid for ).

IT IS A FACT THAT THERE'S AN IMPROVEMENT IN ELECTRICITY IN NIGERIA IN THE LAST ONE MONTH.

This is what people can see. This is not spiritual.

If there has been blackout since then too, people will report the FACT.

It may not be there next month, we'll wait and see and say the FACT then.

I also mentioned that it may be due to some reasons.

Your figures may be correct, but there's light in Nigeria than before.

So what should we say, that there's more darkness than before because of the generation figures?

It may just be because there's now better efficiency at distributing those m-watts, may be.

You can call your people back home to verify.

For the time being, "...and God said, Let there be light, and there was light."
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by porka: 11:55pm On Jul 31, 2012
taharqa: Power is actually improving at least I can attest to that. In Benin City for instance, people hardly use generators much as one now expects Power for at least 20hrs a day; and this has generally been the case since the middle of last year except for a period of time early this year when there was a general problem with electricity nationally. While one would still want to be cautiously optimist about this new improved situation cos this has happened before yet we went back to the old 'no light' situation later, it seem there really are NOW signs that perhaps this improvement is for real. There definitely is a better organized and focused Power Ministry that seem to be alive to its work and a Minister who has finally resolved to deal with many of the saboteurs we have in the system. For instance, the reaction to the dip in Power generation and distribution we experienced early this year was followed by the swift sack of the heads of TCN who the Minister accused of sabotage(since then there have been improvements). There also seem to have been improved Distribution and Transmission facilities than we had before such the end-users are getting much better power than the smaller increase in Generation would suggest.
SOURCE: http://www.informationnigeria.org/2012/04/govt-fires-phcn-chiefs-over-outage.html

The really significant thing for me though is that the Power Reform Process seem to been going according to plan this time around and it seem very likely now that we would see the end of the Privatization Process before the end of October. Below is a sketch of some of the steps already taken 1. The passage of d Power Reform Bill some years ago(which laid the legal framework for the actors in the Power Sector) 2. The unbundling of PHCN into 18 holding companies last year. 3. The start of d new investment-leaning Tariff Structure this July(This honestly was the first REAL sign for me that the government was now serious in privatizing the sector). 4. The almost complete conclusion of the termination process of the current 'PHCN' workers prior to their selective re-absorption by the proposed new owners( though there seem to be some problems with the workers' Pensions at the moment). 5. The take-over of the Transmission Company by a well-known international company(MHI) so as to reorganized and manage it before handing it back to the govt(PS: Probably so that there will be less saboteurs in the system going forward, the minister insisted that MHI bring 8 senior staff who will take over the management of the company while current Nigerian management staff act as their assistants for the 3-year period) 6. The close of the submission of d bidding process for sale of d 17 Generation holding companies two weeks ago. 7. And just yesterday, the close of the submission of bids for the Distribution companies, again on schedule.

Just yesterday the govt insisted that the time-line WILL be followed(as they seem to have been doing) and have re-started the important dates again:

"Briefing newsmen at the end of the NCP meeting on Monday, the Director General for Bureau for Public Enterprises (BPE), Ms Bolanle Onagorowa, said that the July 31 deadline for the submission of the bids for the Distribution Company of the PHCN remained sacrosanct as the Council vowed to strictly adhere to its timeline on the exercise...BPE boss also stated that the Council would meet on August 24 to reveal the bidders that passed the technical evaluation for the Generation companies’ bidders. She also disclosed that the Council would meet on September 11 to reveal the list of bidders that passed technical evaluation for the Distribution Companies.
Onagoruwa also stated that the financial bids opening for the Generation companies will be on September 25, while financial bid opening for the Distribution companies will be on October, 8. She also added that the Council would give final approval for the commercial bids for Distribution Companies on October, 22.

SOURCE: http://www.worldstagegroup.com/worldstagenew/index.php?active=news&newscid=5519&catid=26

One can imagine what will happen if this process concludes and Power generation and Distribution is privatized. It is also great that States have finally been granted approvals to distribute the Power it generates directly to its citizens- this is not just great news for states like Rivers, Bayelsa and Akwa Ibom but will hopefully also create some sought of competition amongst other states who would then be 'blackmailed' into generating Power for their own people(either solely or more likely in conjunction with Private Investors).

IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT THIS PROCESS IS SEEN TO ITS LOGICAL CONCLUSION AS THIS MAY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT PROCESS THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT HAVE EVER TAKEN , AND IT IS HAPPENING BEFORE OUR VERY EYES. We should not forget these dates(August24, September 11, September 25, October 8, October 22) and should insist that they are followed through please. This is where we need the Critics the most.

PLEASE SHARE. Thanks

Thank you sir.

God bless you.

We are watching.
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by Kobojunkie: 12:16am On Aug 01, 2012
agabaI23:
First of all, all the links are referring to what the government said.
Here we are debating what individual Nigerians have experienced.

Those pronouncements are different from end users experience which is the basis of this thread. I earlier told you there are threads like this for May,2012, June, 2012 and then this one. Refer to the previous two and compare.

Finally, did you deliberately decide to ignore the trend analysis view point?


Stop darting around the place .. . I am getting whiplash just trying to follow your argument!!!
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by Kobojunkie: 12:24am On Aug 01, 2012
porka:

IT IS A FACT THAT THERE'S AN IMPROVEMENT IN ELECTRICITY IN NIGERIA IN THE LAST ONE MONTH.

This is what people can see. This is not spiritual.

If there has been blackout since then too, people will report the FACT.

It may not be there next month, we'll wait and see and say the FACT then.

I also mentioned that it may be due to some reasons.

Your figures may be correct, but there's light in Nigeria than before.

So what should we say, that there's more darkness than before because of the generation figures?

It may just be because there's now better efficiency at distributing those m-watts, may be.

You can call your people back home to verify.

For the time being, "...and God said, Let there be light, and there was light."

shut up!
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by agabaI23(m): 12:50am On Aug 01, 2012
occam:

what the heck is this your graph? Using birth rate graph to show supply of electricity. seriously? Am I missing something. In your haste to copy & paste you didn't check. abi
No sir I was only using it to ilkustrate trend analysis and I did that very well. Apologies if that was what you understood.
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by agabaI23(m): 12:51am On Aug 01, 2012
Kobojunkie:


Stop darting around the place .. . I am getting whiplash just trying to follow your argument!!!
I'm not darting around. I give a tailored reply to individual responses.
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by SisiKill1: 1:16am On Aug 01, 2012
Kobojunkie:

shut up!
Rotflmaoooooo!! cheesy cheesy cheesy

agabaI23:

No I wasn't, i was using that graph to explain a trend. I wanted to point out the fact that having a depreciation in end user experience may not affect the over trend. The reason for the graph was the straight line which represent a positive trend even in the presence negative points in 1983, 88/89 and 93. Those are years, we are talking about months here
Honestly, if your goal was to confuse, I swear to God. . .you have done an EXCELLENT job because I have no idea what you are talking about. undecided
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by quickberry(m): 2:02am On Aug 01, 2012
there has been gr8 improvement in power supply @ Bariga......bt dont know abt oda areas grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by frankdelis(m): 7:28am On Aug 01, 2012
i dont think i have experienced the level of power supply presently in my area in the last 10 years. there's been tremendous improvrment.
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by agabaI23(m): 7:42am On Aug 01, 2012
Sisi_Kill:
Rotflmaoooooo!! cheesy cheesy cheesy


Honestly, if your goal was to confuse, I swear to God. . .you have done an EXCELLENT job because I have no idea what you are talking about. undecided
Well lets leave it then. Never intended to confuse you anyway
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by onthefence: 7:50am On Aug 01, 2012
Una still de this mata. Since this was opened close to 72 hrs ago power has not blinked in my zanga here in Benin City just like it is in Chicago and wherever Sisi_kill lives. Be happy for me for once. Like I said if it drops, I will come back here to tell the house. Imagine Like Chicago like Benin in terms of Power and kobo is not happt. Na wa o

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Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by RURIE: 1:11pm On Aug 01, 2012
El-Rufai: Electricity Tariff Needs to Go Up 400%

By Patrick Ugeh

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Former Director-General of Bureau of Public Enterprise (BPE) and former Minister of the Federal Capital Territory (FCT), Mallam Nasir el-Rufai, has said for the country to be able to attract investors into the power sector, electricity tariffs need to go up by between 300 and 400 per cent.

El-Rufai said for the country to move forward in the provision of electricity to its populace, the National Electricity Regulatory Commission (NERC) must do that which was needful by having the courage to increase the tariff irrespective of how politically incorrect it might be.

According to him, this was imperative because even if all of the oil revenues in the country were ploughed into the power sector alone, it would not be sufficient to provide its needs of that sector.

He said the only alternative was to attract foreign direct investment, which would not come unless the tariff was eye-catching enough to entice them.

El-Rufai, who spoke at the first Distinguished Visitors’ Programme organised by NERC in Abuja Thursday, also said the power sector was capable of fetching 10 times the $200 billion realised so far from the telecommunications sector and the $2 billion it realised from licensing.

The first Distinguished Visitors’ Programme had as its theme, “Electricity on Demand.”
“Your success will lay the foundation for electricity in this country,” el-Rufai told NERC. “If you get it right, electricity will be the next big thing in Nigeria.”

He lamented that the electricity situation in Nigeria was worse now than it was in 1999, and noted that the way the Chairman of the regulatory body, Dr. Sam Amadi, handled it would determine the future of the country.
The former minister of the FCT, however, stated that no foreign investor would come to the country unless the issue of insecurity in the country was addressed.

“Right now, nobody will come because the perception outside is that Nigeria is a land of killings, a land of kidnappings,” he said. “Security must be provided. We must make this country safer.”

Cautioning that the Nigerian public service had a way of trying to make the officials not to perform, el-Rufai counselled the NERC helmsman to see that the work got done as doing so was far more important than any other consideration.

He advised him to identify directors within his organisation that were not ready for change and fire them, even if it meant getting the law amended, and reward those that were ready to move with the tide of change.

He asked Amadi to draw inspiration from his unilateral abolition of the Ministry of the FCT by convincing then-President Olusegun Obasanjo that it was an encumbrance, adding that what was essential was for the principal to believe in him.

El-Rufai noted that to have the needed courage to do that which is right, the chief executives of public institutions like NERC should have something to fall back on, pointing out that he was able to have his way with Obasanjo because the former president knew that he could quit the job at any moment.

He said the former leader knew that it would have been more dangerous for him to leave in controversial circumstances as he would then have gone public with much unsavoury information.

“Those in charge knew we didn’t need the job, hence the leaders couldn’t dispose of us easily,” he said. “They treat people badly when they know you have nowhere else to go. I didn’t care who I hurt in the process of enforcing the Abuja master plan. You must be in a position where you can say I will walk away.”

However, Amadi appeared to differ from el-Rufai’s approach to tariff increase as he explained that there was need to build legitimacy for the process through enlightenment.

He lamented the “tragedy in Africa that we don't bring leaders back to reflect on their experiences. So they litter the landscape”.
Amadi stressed the need not to discard “our best”, which he said informed the decision to get el-Rufai to speak on the topic, “Leadership and Change Management.”

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Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by Kobojunkie: 11:14am On Aug 02, 2012
onthefence: Una still de this mata. Since this was opened close to 72 hrs ago power has not blinked in my zanga here in Benin City just like it is in Chicago and wherever Sisi_kill lives. Be happy for me for once. Like I said if it drops, I will come back here to tell the house. Imagine Like Chicago like Benin in terms of Power and kobo is not happt. Na wa o

See this dokpemu! I don't blame you, na your parents I blame. There was a time when Nigerians used to enjoy 24/7 electricity. . . a time when spending houses without electricity was foreign to many Nigerians. By not standing up for what is right, the parents allowed the decay we have today and the penchant for celebrating mediocrity that is today the Nigeria you are used to. Go ahead, rejoice everytime the country takes 5 times backward and then 1 step forward. Who am I to rob you of that chance to celebrate? All I am against is you LYING that your perception of an improvement is based on the numbers.
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by dougivilla(m): 2:12pm On Aug 02, 2012
Kobojunkie:

See this dokpemu! I don't blame you, na your parents I blame. There was a time when Nigerians used to enjoy 24/7 electricity. . . a time when spending houses without electricity was foreign to many Nigerians. By not standing up for what is right, the parents allowed the decay we have today and the penchant for celebrating mediocrity that is today the Nigeria you are used to. Go ahead, rejoice everytime the country takes 5 times backward and then 1 step forward. Who am I to rob you of that chance to celebrate? All I am against is you LYING that your perception of an improvement is based on the numbers.
Incurable pessimist! Saddist!! Naija go cmtinue to move 4ward whether u like am or not. For ur info, some of us are still enjoying d relatively improved power supply. If e pain u 2 much, go hug transformer!
Re: Something Is Wrong; Power Is Improving by ubandire(m): 3:16pm On Aug 02, 2012
alj harem: ubandire

Oh u be Igbo biafran sef, that explains a lot

grin grin grin grin grin grin I rest my case


I am not surprised at ur outburst that's the norm for you,but more worrisome is the fact that u've refused to shift stands on ur ethnic bigotry which makes it clear that u simply do not want to understand.Whether am ibo,Hausa,Fulani,ijaw it shouldn't becloud my sense of logical reasoning and wouldn't erase if nothingelse memories of my moral upbringing,I have come to terms with the fact that u are tribal apologist so have simply refused to be drawn into arguments with u cos u never make sense all u do is lie and curse.Loser!

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