LagosShia:

and perhaps also apply justice?

it was not in the power of the Prophet (sa) to forgive him for what was done to Mahmud.it was in the power of Muhammad Ibn Maslama to have done that.assuming it was your brother tortured and killed by an enemy community,and then your own community capture the person who did.it is left for you personally to forgive or not to.your leader cannot impose on you or force you to forgive if you decide to administer justice instead of tampering justice with mercy.

it is noteworthy to state that the jews also had an earlier agreement with the Muslims which they violated and continued their acts of war against the Muslims.

LagosShia:
https://www.nairaland.com/998816/honest-question-muhammad-pbuh



or if she did not want to marry him.

nakash: Have you found out what Kinana did? I'll keep looking and I'll post here.

We are now agreed that Muhammad marriage to Safiya amounted to forced marriage and not an action of mercy to her.

Back to the topic - How many wives did Muhammad have?
And later on - why did Allah will for Muhammad to have all those wives while the rest of the Muslim men were allowed to have a maximum of four?

Don't you see there is something seriously wrong with Muhammad?

nakash: It is clear that booty was divided among the Muslims from that authentic hadith.
How would she have refused to marry him in the first case?


Oh now the Jews had an agreement with Muhammad. Can you tell us what sort of agreement? Noting that Khaybar is 140Km away from Medina?
To protect Muhammad incase of an attack from 140Km away?

nakash:
Back to the topic - How many wives did Muhammad have?
And later on - why did Allah will for Muhammad to have all those wives while the rest of the Muslim men were allowed to have a maximum of four?

Don't you see there is something seriously wrong with Muhammad?

LagosShia:

so after four pages,you are taking us back to page 1.that is not fair my friend.and what if we are done with you going over the topic again,and another christian just sees the thread and wants a repeat? are we going to keep going round?

please review the thread and see the explanations given.if you have anything to dispute,then bring it up.

nakash: I will not offer any proof , I have gone through the link. Muslims always portray themselves as victims and I lump that article in that category.
I will not change my mind about that.

All I know is that Muhammad went to look for booty in Khaybar because thats how he earned a living- Robbing and terrorizing and enslavement.

Who is the author of that article? I am surprised so far that the hadith has been accepted as authentic and we did not have to go through the usual - Out of context, not in classical arabic, not in the quran etc.

Facts are facts. Safiya did not willingly marry Muhammad who even set the mahar terms himself.

LagosShia:

bring your proof if you are truth!

nakash: Proof that Muslim men always portray themselves as victims. A woman not not covered up is asking for ra.pe.

Back to the topic again . How many wives did the prophet have?

LagosShia:

I now refer you to www.faithfreedom.org if you want that proof. They do have a very vibrant forum too where your questions will be better answered by those who left Islam and are native Classical Arabic ( language of the Quran) speakers.



i am not after proof for running your mouth.i am after proof for the false claims and lies you make up against what is established,known and accepted.

proof that:

1.) "All I know is that Muhammad went to look for booty in Khaybar because thats how he earned a living- Robbing and terrorizing and enslavement".


2.) "Facts are facts. Safiya did not willingly marry Muhammad who even set the mahar terms himself".




please see post #2 of this thread.

nakash: He raided a Jewish community , captured booty , executed Kinana over treasure and 'married' his wife.
I suppose she must have felt great love for Muhammad when her husband was being tortured that she agreed to marry him outright!!!

Should I promote pro-Islamic sites like the one you quoted?

He raided and stole - Meaning he was a robber. He took slaves - Meaning he was a slave trader.

nakash: What do you call someone who captures & sells slaves ? A slave trader.
What do you call someone who raids for booty? A robber
What do you call someone who orders the death of others? A murderer.

Have I insulted anyone?


Kinana b. Al-Rabi’, who had the custody of the treasure of B. Al-Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came to the apostle and said he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, “Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?” he said Yes. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr b. Al-’Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has,” so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the Apostl delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud.

brentkruge: @ LagosShia, why are u frothing in the mouth for an account that was recorded in the Hadith?

There may be slight variations but the crux of the matter is that Mohammed ordered the murder of a man and married his wife almost immediately. For a man that is a standard for all Muslims, its not a palatable story.

LagosShia:

ah,i see

i never knew you're such a knowledgeable Islamic scholar in field of hadith.

MacDaddy01:


Sarcasm wont help you. Why not address the issue. Muhammad marrying the wife of a slain enemy.

Sweetnecta: the condition of the messenger [sa] is different from that of the general muslims.

for example, he was commanded to make nightly prayers.
muslims can but not as it is in the case of the messenger which is a must.

so his condition with marriage though politically is different in conditions to the general muslims who are limited to 4 at the same time but can continue to divorce and marry throughout life as long it is not more that 4 at anytime.

Muhammad [sa] was told in surah azhab, if all his wives were die or divorce from him, no more wife. so he could have been without a wife at the time of death, whereas the general muslims can have 4 wives at the time of death.

Muhammad [sa] would not charity, but gifts, whereas the general muslims can eat charity.

Muhammad's position is special and its a good thing and the allowance for him on marriage brought success and political victory, alliances and peace to the young and growing community.

Logicbwoy: Copied from the internet;


Mohammed married 15 women and consummated his marriages with 13.
Here is a list of wives of Mohammed:

1. Khadija/Khadijah bint Khuwailid/Khywaylid - died first

2. Sawda/Sauda bint Zam’a

3. 'Aisha/Aesha/’A’ishah - 8 to 9 yrs old, 2nd wife

4. Omm/’Umm Salama/Salamah

5. Hafsa/Hafsah

6. Zaynab/Zainab of Jahsh

7. Jowayriya/Juwairiyya bint Harith

8. Omm Habiba

9. Safiya/Safiyya bint Huyai/Huyayy bint Akhtab

10. Maymuna/Maimuna of Hareth

11. Fatima/Fatema/Fatimah

12. Hend/Hind

13. Asma of Saba

14. Zaynab of Khozayma

15. Habla?

16. Asma of Noman / bint al-Nu’man

¾ slaves / concubines ¾

17. Mary the Christian/Copt

18. Rayhana/Raihana/Rayhanah bint Zayd/Zaid

¾ uncertain relationship -

19. Omm Sharik

20. Maymuna/Maimuna (slave girl?)

21. Zaynab/Zainab the third?

22. Khawla / Khawlah

MacDaddy01:


So you now lie against her husband to defend Muhammad?