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Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Chrisbenogor(m): 7:36pm On Dec 19, 2012 |
Hmmmmmmmm *walks in from the bar with bottle of udeme in hand* I have been keenly reading the answers MyJoe has been proposing to this our Jamb Kweshun.
The very first part I totally agree with, Nigerians are very badly behaved and that is a fact. But as for the part when you say there was a time things worked in this country you did not mean a democratic dispensation did you? You have to compare apples with apples, back then buhari or idiagbon would wave a wand and things would happen overnight. Buhari could come in to fight corruption and cancel all naira notes overnight print new ones and no one would question him. Today it takes even a minority in some cases backed by a Godfather to shout all those in favour say Aye to take out a governor. So why are we expecting a keke napep to outdo a lambo? even if we manage to get a governor with such good intentions he would get bogged down by these useless elements. Again yes we have only really practiced this madness for 50 years, out of which the only years that really count per say would be from 1999 till date. Going back and forth between the military and democracy did us no good at all. So here we are many years after military rule, in a democracy that is struggling to find its feet and really I have no hope that this model would work at all. According to wikipedia: While there is no universally accepted definition of "democracy,"[5] equality and freedom have both been identified as important characteristics of democracy since ancient times.[6] These principles are reflected in all citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to legislative processes. For example, in a representative democracy, every vote has equal weight, no unreasonable restrictions can apply to anyone seeking to become a representative, and the freedom of its all citizens is secured by legitimized rights and liberties which are generally protected by a constitution. Aside from the "freedom" Nigerians do not really have the rest, equal before law and equal access to legislative process I laugh!! The current form of government as it is run gives no room whatsoever for the kind of fast paced development Nigeria needs. We are a very unique set of people and we would like the chinese did need to look inward and do that which is going to work for us. Look, again, at corruption. It’s not uniquely Nigerian. In Indonesia, Pakistan, Mexico and countless other countries, including even first world South Korea, it happens that when a minister gives someone a contract, the contractor would give him a kickback of 10%. That is not what happens in Nigeria. Here, you can award a contract and collect 100%, that is, simply put the money in your pocket and let the grass grow on site. Alternatively, you can award a contract for N10 million and get the contractor to sign for N80 million. And then (this happens in the LGs) you can have someone hint the contractor that he has no business going to site because “we use that road to eat every year”.Corruption is institutionalized in Nigeria, it is a way of life. Look, when the governor wants to run for election he needs to source for funds, especially in his first tenure, he goes to these political associates and then they fund his election in terms of money and giving him the necessary "votes". When he gets there finally he has to give these guys the contracts to pay them back and what do you think they would do? We need a different model to this whole thing, I am pretty sure that if we look critically at this we would be able to come up with ways to prevent people from stealing. We have to stop this practice of trying to build strong men, we need to build strong institutions. Where is Nafdac today since dora left that position? Efcc since ribadu left? The list is endless. We need a different approach to the problem but first the people would have to wrestle their right to choose leaders from the elite. Then they would suffer from some very poor decisions such as sentimentally voting for GEJ and then we can see if there is any hope at all. My cents don dey finish |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by MyJoe: 2:25pm On Apr 02, 2013 |
Many discerning minds have seen and said it for a long time - corruption is not even our problem - it goes beyond it! http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=118076:mediocrity-overtakes-graft-wrecks-nigeria-&catid=1:national&Itemid=559 |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 10:09pm On Apr 02, 2013 |
^^ With that I agree. And here I was considering getting Cobra Net. Anyhoo, I agree with her. She's a womab, right? And how is she getting by on that ideology living and working (!!!) in Lagos, I wonder? |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Enigma(m): 10:29pm On Apr 02, 2013 |
As far as I can see, the piece basically repeats what perceptive people have known for decades and basically says the same things 'every one' says: "there is a serious problem". Of course every one knows that. The bone of contention on this thread has been: is that serious problem insoluble and, not only that, is it eternally insoluble? |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by chukkynwob(m): 1:31am On Apr 03, 2013 |
Ihedinobi: Why do we always blame the victim? |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by chukkynwob(m): 1:47am On Apr 03, 2013 |
Ihedinobi: Bro, couldn't it have been primarily for economic reasons that they chose Lekki? On the average a heist in Lekki should yield more rewards than same operation in Ajegunle . Honestly if deepsight didn't show up another person would have showed up or they would have switched to plan B. I am personally grieved by Deepsight's story because about that same time last year,we were virtually woken by armed robbers. They meticulously cut the barbed wire on our fence,cut the burglarly proof bars on the windows without making a sound till they were in the house at that point,I could initiate any evasive or counter-attacking plans. Anyway we were robbed,laptops,jewellery ,phones,the whole 9yards. Thankfully there was no rape incidence and all We went to the police station to lodge an incidence report,just for official documentation purposes the police insisted they will visit the crime scene(we had to pick up their transportation bill), let me not bore you with the whole details. My main point is THE VICTIM IS JUST A VICTIM. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 9:09am On Apr 03, 2013 |
Enigma: As far as I can see, the piece basically repeats what perceptive people have known for decades and basically says the same things 'every one' says: "there is a serious problem". Of course every one knows that. @bolded, exactly. She described the problem even more cleverly, but she doesn't answer whether or not Nigeria is hopeless. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 9:16am On Apr 03, 2013 |
chukkynwob: chukkynwob: I think you missed the point of my answer completely. I was not exactly blaming Deep Sight for anything except for not accounting correctly for Nigeria's realities. I'm sorry for what happened to him and to your family. But, I hold that his experience was avoidable. I don't think that anyone can do anything to prevent danger coming to his doorstep if the danger is determined to get to him. But, in Nigeria, driving past midnight is a danger in and of itself. As much as possible, one should avoid it, not say that it shouldn't be a danger because it isn't in the US or Europe. That was what I was saying. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 9:18am On Apr 03, 2013 |
Ihedinobi: Do you ever accept... never mind.. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by JeSoul(f): 4:04pm On Apr 03, 2013 |
chukkynwob:Sorry about what happened to you brother...hope no such occurence since then and hopefully in the future. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by JeSoul(f): 4:07pm On Apr 03, 2013 |
Enigma: As far as I can see, the piece basically repeats what perceptive people have known for decades and basically says the same things 'every one' says: "there is a serious problem". Of course every one knows that....with Nigeria replaying like a broken record with stories like these everyday: https://www.nairaland.com/1225198/akpabio-defends-wedding-gifts-tuface and nothing ever happens after the dust and initial shouting quiets down. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Enigma(m): 6:09pm On Apr 03, 2013 |
^^^ But there have been worse --- and there still will be worse! Even I pointed to one example recently: https://www.nairaland.com/1206607/surprised-no-one-posted Meanwhile, such foolishness occurs in 'developed' countries too; only that if/when discovered, there will be apparent remorse and the public outcry will probably be bigger. But in reality --- same ole same ole. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by chukkynwob(m): 6:48pm On Apr 03, 2013 |
JeSoul: Sorry about what happened to you brother...hope no such occurence since then and hopefully in the future. Thanks dearie. We thank God its been peace since then,but then we now sleep with one eye open,got three rottweilers too...*we are our own FG now*. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by JeSoul(f): 8:12pm On Apr 03, 2013 |
chukkynwob:...and I quietly hope you're packing a piece a two underneath your mattress. Make we see the next lunatic that will try and inflict harm on innocent people minding their own business in their own houses. Gosh, I despise evil doers. Enigma: ^^^ But there have been worse --- and there still will be worse! Even I pointed to one example recently: https://www.nairaland.com/1206607/surprised-no-one-postedWhich makes faithers like yourself & Ihe even more amazing ...naija needs people like you not me! Meanwhile, such foolishness occurs in 'developed' countries too; only that if/when discovered, there will be apparent remorse and the public outcry will probably be bigger.oooohhh...commot dia jor such 'foolishness' occurs everywhere human beings are...but the naija brand is in-disputably one of a kind. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Enigma(m): 6:23pm On Apr 06, 2013 |
Hmmmm Maybe a drop in the ocean; maybe "they" are not all bad! https://www.nairaland.com/1247943/good-samaritans-returned-lost-phones |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by ooman(m): 8:38am On May 01, 2013 |
Why are you all complaining?? Why dont you keep praying for Nigerian. You have forgotten that the silliness of you religious people is what kills us. Am an atheist and I dont give up. I will be the change I want to see in my country. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 9:42am On May 01, 2013 |
ooman: Why are you all complaining?? Why dont you keep praying for Nigerian. Well said....every minute they waste in prayer, nigeria gets worse If you want change, be the change. I will do my best to make nigeria a better place for my children |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 1:22pm On May 01, 2013 |
What are you two ffools ranting about? |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by ijawkid(m): 1:50pm On May 01, 2013 |
Logicboy03: What do you know about making nigeria a better place??....... |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 1:54pm On May 01, 2013 |
ijawkid: You think oil bunkering is a good way to make nigeria better? |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by ooman(m): 3:32pm On May 01, 2013 |
Ihedinobi: What are you two ffools ranting about? what you dumb iddiots failed to see |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by PastorAIO: 4:50pm On May 01, 2013 |
This is possibly the best thread on the Religious section. I'm only halfway down the first page, so this post is just to mark it so it's easy to find when I come back. I see that the last few posts have some yabbis in them. Oh well . . as long as they don't use it to overwhelm the rest of the thread. I'll be back. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 6:39pm On May 01, 2013 |
wiegraf: Basic cultures are incompatible imo. Problem identified? The hausa man thinks it should be solved this way, yorubas that way, enter ibos, then the motley crew. In many cases, what one views as a problem is certainly not so to other tribes. Even western nations that are supposedly more mature than us would have problems in these conditions. We need to split up.Oga weigraf... this comment.. hmm.. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by systemseng: 6:48pm On May 01, 2013 |
^^i support him |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 7:06pm On May 01, 2013 |
systemseng: ^^i support himMe too.. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by ooman(m): 8:31pm On May 01, 2013 |
musKeeto: Take a knife and cut the country into how many ? ? |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 9:01pm On May 01, 2013 |
See them. Ibos planning biafra again. When the Yorubas and other tribes abuse you guy in the politics section, you guys will be hollering. Our first problem to tackle is that of corruption then religion. Division/tribalism can be tackled later ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The only division I could agree with is to throw away the north. They contribute nothing to the country apart from groundnuts and yam. Not that we dont have yam or groundnuts in the south. Their islam has brought with it sharia law, terrorism and intolerance. Their contribution is more negative than positive. ========================================================================= |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 9:07pm On May 01, 2013 |
@lb and @ooman: I'd advise you to visit Rivers State... not Port-Harcourt.... There's a difference.. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 9:09pm On May 01, 2013 |
musKeeto: @lb and @ooman: I'd advise you to visit Rivers State... not Port-Harcourt.... There's a difference.. Guy, make your point because I am not going to those places in the nearest future. Lagos boy things |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 9:10pm On May 01, 2013 |
Logicboy03: See them. Ibos planning biafra again.At least we're worth abusing.. Over time, I've come to realize Nigeria was never the dream of the individual components that it's made up of. It's just a drunk dream of a man called Lugard. We've been trying unsuccessfully for years to make this work. I'm not wishing the country breaks up. That might eventually happen in 2015...(yeah, I know we've always found a way to trudge on: curse or blessing) Anyways, there's no ultimate solution to the Nigerian dilemma. |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by ooman(m): 9:17pm On May 01, 2013 |
i still believe in my country sha one great Nigeria a Nigeria without religion a successful nation. I believe in the intelligence of the blackman I believe in a better future I dont just hope for a better future I try to be the change I wanna see if there is life, there is hope |
Re: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by Nobody: 9:21pm On May 01, 2013 |
ooman: FIXED... |
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