PAGAN 9JA:
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION! IT HAS NO SPIRITUALITY LIKE ATR'S! IT IS ONLY A COURSE OF JEWISH GUIDELINES ON WHAT TO WEAR< EAT< DO, etc.!

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HumbledbYGrace: da same bible as urz then but the catholics baptism is made wen the child is young

u baptise at anytime my bible says "d promise is 4 u and ur children" it also says "do not prevent d children from coming to me for such as these is d kingdom of God" and since apostolic times households has been baptised without d discrimination of children.
So where did u hear dat catholic only baptise children??

Op I have few questions for u if u can revisit this thread

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Davico: Op I have few questions for u if u can revisit this thread

your questions?

HumbledbYGrace: Last saturday a fellow christian brother made a very nasty example about ladies wearing pands to church,its total prohibited to wear pants to my church but since I don't wanna start trouble I can't question the laws of the church but is it really agaisnt the will of God for a lady to wear pants @ all?

Bible reference;Deotronomy 22vs5
5 A woman shall not wear men's clothing, neither shall a man put on women's clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh your God. And 1st Timothy 2vs9-10

9 In the same way, that women also adorn themselves in decent clothing, with modesty and propriety; not just with braided hair, gold, pearls, or expensive clothing;10 but (which becomes women professing godliness) with good works.

Does this scriptures clearly states pants and slacks or something else?
Ur input will be appreciated and no insults pls

absolutely not.

im pretty sure the blue means that they must not take on each other's roles.
much like cross dressing or switching the natural roles of both sexes...which we see happening now.

it's kind of like how we say "put yourself in someone else's shoes"...etc
it's about perspective.

the red I am almost positive this is something the missionaries added seeing that the people they were trying to convert (Africans and Native Americans) did wear jewels, braided hair and other things they wanted to convince them to be "primitive" and therefore Un-Godly.

ironically they (european/arab missionaries) were robbing these people of their jewels while playing holy and righteous.

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HumbledbYGrace: your questions?

Can you point out to sin(s) among the following with biblical references
1.cheating in Exams
2.smoking
3.watching porn
4.Masturbatn

Op where are u

Using OT laws as a scriptural basis for doctrines fails for 2 reasons:

• They were made in a different dispensation. In an era where factors now present weren't existing e.g animal sacrifices before Jesus
• It is common to ignore most part of the OT laws e.g eating of certain foods is often overlooked

In light of this using a certain OT scripture to justify banning woken from wearing certain clothes is unwarranted. In this case pants (e.g jeans pants) are unisex wears and banning them reveals a prejudice not scriptural obedience.

Davico:
Can you point out to sin(s) among the following with biblical references
1.cheating in Exams
2.smoking
3.watching porn
4.Masturbatn

That doesn't answer why women shouldn't wear pants.

Uyi Iredia:

That doesn't answer why women shouldn't wear pants.

I think u should answer the questions first

Davico:
I think u should answer the questions first

There is no clear-cut phrase in the Bible that says exam malpractice or smoking is wrong. However, cheating in exams runs against a well-stated call to honesty, smoking is addictive and some smoked substances could cloud the mind in a manner similar to excessive alcohol and p0rn and masturbation encourage lusting after the opposite sex in one's heart.

Uyi Iredia: Using OT laws as a scriptural basis for doctrines fails for 2 reasons:

• They were made in a different dispensation. In an era where factors now present weren't existing e.g animal sacrifices before Jesus
• It is common to ignore most part of the OT laws e.g eating of certain foods is often overlooked

In light of this using a certain OT scripture to justify banning woken from wearing certain clothes is unwarranted. In this case pants (e.g jeans pants) are unisex wears and banning them reveals a prejudice not scriptural obedience.

to put it correctly ''jean were recently considered by many to be unisex wears''

Ubenedictus: to put it correctly ''jean were recently considered by many to be unisex wears''

Okay.

Christians, must be Christ-like - to do as he did. As an obedient Jew, nothing in the Old Testament is replaced by the New Testament unless it is demonstrated that Jesus himself contravened an Old Testament teaching.

Therefore working on the Sabbath is prohibited, wearing clothes of the opposite gender is prohibited, eating pork or shellfish is prohibited, tattoos are prohibited, women talking in church are prohibited. If a woman is raped, she must be married to her rapist, and her father must be paid. Homosexuality is evil, but you may buy foreigners and their children as slaves, and leave them to your children in your inheritance.

Amen.

Ki-Katanga:
Christians, must be Christ-like - to do as he did. As an obedient Jew, nothing in the Old Testament is replaced by the New Testament unless it is demonstrated that Jesus himself contravened an Old Testament teaching.

Therefore working on the Sabbath is prohibited, wearing clothes of the opposite gender is prohibited, eating pork or shellfish is prohibited, tattoos are prohibited, women talking in church are prohibited. If a woman is raped, she must be married to her rapist, and her father must be paid. Homosexuality is evil, but you may buy foreigners and their children as slaves, and leave them to your children in your inheritance.

Amen.

Killing of gays is allowed, killing of fornicators is allowed, slaves are allowed and even making animal sacrifices for sins is allowed.

Uyi Iredia:

Killing of gays is allowed, killing of fornicators is allowed, slaves are allowed and even making animal sacrifices for sins is allowed.

Killing of fornicators is not allowed if they marry. And you cannot make animal sacrifices of swine, because it is forbidden to touch them.

Uyi Iredia:

There is no clear-cut phrase in the Bible that says exam malpractice or smoking is wrong. However, cheating in exams runs against a well-stated call to honesty, smoking is addictive and some smoked substances could cloud the mind in a manner similar to excessive alcohol and p0rn and masturbation encourage lusting after the opposite sex in one's heart.

Why beating round the bush pls answer the question, this isn't the answer

Davico:
Why beating round the bush pls answer the question, this isn't the answer

My first sentence answered your question: 'There is no clear-cut phrase that says that exam malpractice or smoking is wrong.'

Ki-Katanga:


Killing of fornicators is not allowed if they marry. And you cannot make animal sacrifices of swine, because it is forbidden to touch them.

Actually they are to be killed after being caught according to OT laws, same goes for adulterers.

Uyi Iredia:

Actually they are to be killed after being caught according to OT laws, same goes for adulterers.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
New International Version (NIV)

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and ra p es her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.


Cite your evidence.

Ki-Katanga:


Deuteronomy 22:28-29
New International Version (NIV)

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and ra p es her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.


Cite your evidence.

“23 If a young woman who is a virgin is betrothed to a husband,
and a man finds her in the city and lies with her, 24 then you shall
bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones.” (Deut 22: 23-24)

Uyi Iredia:

“23 If a young woman who is a virgin is betrothed to a husband,
and a man finds her in the city and lies with her, 24 then you shall
bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones.” (Deut 22: 23-24)

i.e. Cannot marry her rapist.

In which case you must kill not only the rapist, but also the rape victim.

But if they can be married, they must do so, and you may not kill them.

Ki-Katanga:


i.e. Cannot marry her rapist.

In which case you must kill not only the rapist, but also the rape victim.

But if they can be married, they must do so, and you may not kill them.

True, but it was CLEARLY an act of fornication (within your stated conditions) which warranted the punishment. My point hasn't been invalidated.

Uyi Iredia:

True, but it was CLEARLY an act of fornication (within your stated conditions) which warranted the punishment. My point hasn't been invalidated.

In my first post I said
If a woman is rap@d, she must be married to her Molester

You were the one trying to correct me.

Ki-Katanga:


In my first post I said
If a woman is rap@d, she must be married to her Molester

You were the one trying to correct me.

I wasn't. I simply stated other OT laws. And I stood by my point that fornicators are killed. A true statement regardless of the conditions.

Uyi Iredia:

I wasn't. I simply stated other OT laws. And I stood by my point that fornicators are killed. A true statement regardless of the conditions.

SOME fornicators are killed, UNLESS they marry their victims, in which case it's perfectly fine.

Ki-Katanga:


SOME fornicators are killed, UNLESS they marry their victims, in which case it's perfectly fine.

Okay, some.

And now

HumbledbYGrace: we are talking about "Christian man&women here so its clear that lust is a thing of the past to them.And by the way even guys wear tight revealing pants....

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you are trying to say that because people are Christians, they are immune to temptation. How is lust a thing of the past for any human being. It is best to avoid temptation, and avoid tempting others.

Women are discouraged from wearing pants at my church too. I do not wear pants to church. It is not necessarily because I am told not to. It is because I feel it is a sign of respect to wear a dress.

As to the scripture you quoted: What is the definition of male and female clothing? Centuries ago males wore more "plumage" than women. They wore wigs, makeup, jewels, shoes with heels, and frilly frocks. Hmmm I'm just sayin'

And who says trousers are for men alone? these days I consider trousers unisex. I mean should men start wearing gowns today because men in those days wore gowns?