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Oyemachara ratatatata buyashaga toto bamangatuko. i rebuke evil... make i go piss i dey come

Bros, how far you nah?









But on a serious note, Methink people form imaginary vocabularies while 'praying in tongues'. Some just start the tongue speaking non-english 'prayer' without while they aint filled with the spirit yet. We have this guy in campus who won't allow us read from 12am to 5am. His prayer goes thus : "In Jesus name. In Jesus name. Roboroboroboroborobo . . . reberebereberebereberebe. . . rabarabarabarabarabaraba . . . "

If the op had complained of noise from loudspeakers-would have been better.

How anybody choose to communicate with his GOD is not ur business so long you're not affected, he can roll on the floor, scream and cut theirselves-so long u r not affected, how does it concern u?

An atheist said they don't use their brains, just wondering since he used his, what he has attained or achieved in life with the brain he's putting to good use.

Some statements and comments are not worth it.

The muslims bow their heads, the white garments folks use no shoes, some shake their heads, others bath, use chalks and candles. I think what matters most " is your life right with your maker" and for those who were not made but evolve from 'other things' " is ur life in sync with the design u want"? Then don't question another person's believe, correct him if you think he's wrong but not with isults or derogatory words.

I dont know wy u muslims will just want 2 compare ur ways of worshipin wit dat of d xtains. But u said u ar all ordinary slaves to God! Imagine a slave want 2 compare himsef 2 d king's son in d palace...that must b like putin ursef 2 where u can neva belong.
Xtains ar one in Christ when u ar in God's santuary no matter ur health,sex,or status.
You av abuse ur religion 2 d extnt dat a new born baby will not want 2 b a muslim. So wy not put ursef in order instead of tryin 2 make other religion 2 fade like urs.
I realise even d xtains dnt do dis comparism cos a prince will never put himsef so low to d level of a slave!

Originalsly: The brother is in the dark on this matter and is asking for light....and here you are dishing out insults. Is this how you edify people? If you are one of the headshakers but can't explain then you should be the one to keep your trap shut.

he was actually making a mockery of christians..read btw d lines..

Joagbaje: Its just a Demonstration of passion

synchronized passion right?

Pangea: I get more amazed daily at the ignorance of many dumb cret.ins posing as Mr. Know All on nairaland
Many just use their good for nothing hands to type rubbish, inviting more sorrow into their lives, what makes me mad is the fact that many of these people are professing that they are christians or from such homes. Its rare to find a muslim attacking any facet of their mode of worship but these omo ale will always find something rotten to write about their faith!
To the topic,
Prayer is an expression of the soul trying to contact its maker, its a way of communicating with the spiritual, its a cry for help from above.
There are many instances and inferences in the bible where passionate prayers were demonstrated and which you may call getting physical with prayers:

Jesus was praying in the garden of Gethsemane for the cup to go over him and the bible recorded that his sweat was as thick as blood,such prayers are not ordinary, it must have been physical for him to be sweating like that in an open and cold garden before dawn.

Another example is Elijah, after the bloody power play with the prophets of Baal on mount carmel,
He wanted to pray for rain and the bible recorded that he sat on the ground and put his head between his laps to pray!
I'm sure many on Nairaland seeing such prayers would have called him mad, but Elijah prayed such acrobatic prayers and got results.

No wonder unusual things are no longer working with prayers again, because many new generation christians always attack what they don't understand.
I rest my case!

In total support.

Pangea: I get more amazed daily at the ignorance of many dumb cret.ins posing as Mr. Know All on nairaland
Many just use their good for nothing hands to type rubbish, inviting more sorrow into their lives, what makes me mad is the fact that many of these people are professing that they are christians or from such homes. Its rare to find a muslim attacking any facet of their mode of worship but these omo ale will always find something rotten to write about their faith!
To the topic,
Prayer is an expression of the soul trying to contact its maker, its a way of communicating with the spiritual, its a cry for help from above.
There are many instances and inferences in the bible where passionate prayers were demonstrated and which you may call getting physical with prayers:

Jesus was praying in the garden of Gethsemane for the cup to go over him and the bible recorded that his sweat was as thick as blood,such prayers are not ordinary, it must have been physical for him to be sweating like that in an open and cold garden before dawn.

Another example is Elijah, after the bloody power play with the prophets of Baal on mount carmel,
He wanted to pray for rain and the bible recorded that he sat on the ground and put his head between his laps to pray!
I'm sure many on Nairaland seeing such prayers would have called him mad, but Elijah prayed such acrobatic prayers and got results.

No wonder unusual things are no longer working with prayers again, because many new generation christians always attack what they don't understand.
I rest my case!

I am with you 100%, the bible says we wrestle, wrestling match is dangerous, your hand, leg, head, every part of your body must fight or else you become a casualty.
You have not yet resisted unto blood striving against sin.

God bless you.

God2man.

Zikdik: Most Pentecostal Christians have formed an habit of shaking their heads and other body parts vigorously while saying their prayers.
Is this act compulsory if the prayers are to be answered?Or,is it a sign that the "Christians-in-question" pray better and more effectively than others?

Sign of desperation/aggresiveness of some sort, in exercise of faith and determination to have their prayers heard/answered.

A good xtian counsellor should explain better.

Bidam: he was actually making a mockery of christians..read btw d lines..

I saw nothing to read between the lines. How you figure the guy is making a mockery? I would also like to know the answer but am still waiting.....I guess the people who know are all still in church.

reflex action

Me I no dey shake my head o.
I no wan get headache.

spirit cash dem den dem start to yab demself

OP your thread looks like a variant of my thread on Praying Loudly vs Praying Quietly. Well, I agree with everything Pangea said. See, it is not everything of the spirit that can be understood by a carnal man. Take the example of Elijah that Pangea mentioned. An ordinary person that saw him would have considered him a mad man but he wasn't. So, it is not every spiritual thing that you can explain. As for me, you can pray however you like. Just dont disturb me either by too much shouting or hitting me with your head or hands.

Pangea: I get more amazed daily at the ignorance of many dumb cret.ins posing as Mr. Know All on nairaland
Many just use their good for nothing hands to type rubbish, inviting more sorrow into their lives, what makes me mad is the fact that many of these people are professing that they are christians or from such homes. Its rare to find a muslim attacking any facet of their mode of worship but these omo ale will always find something rotten to write about their faith!
To the topic,
Prayer is an expression of the soul trying to contact its maker, its a way of communicating with the spiritual, its a cry for help from above.
There are many instances and inferences in the bible where passionate prayers were demonstrated and which you may call getting physical with prayers:

Jesus was praying in the garden of Gethsemane for the cup to go over him and the bible recorded that his sweat was as thick as blood,such prayers are not ordinary, it must have been physical for him to be sweating like that in an open and cold garden before dawn.

Another example is Elijah, after the bloody power play with the prophets of Baal on mount carmel,
He wanted to pray for rain and the bible recorded that he sat on the ground and put his head between his laps to pray!
I'm sure many on Nairaland seeing such prayers would have called him mad, but Elijah prayed such acrobatic prayers and got results.

No wonder unusual things are no longer working with prayers again, because many new generation christians always attack what they don't understand.
I rest my case!

You are very very sound. Thumbs up
@topic, if you watch yoruba movies, you will understand some prayers and prayer points.
Some people are labouring under evil load. When evil men conjour d load, they send it to the head of their victims. A lot of jazz work on the head- rejection jazz (dt one looks like masquerade), the person cannot receive favour. The jazz is sent to d victim's forehead. Also monitoring mirror is also sent to the forehead, keys and padlocks too are sent to the head. Even madness too.
When you are deeply concerned and pray wit all part of your body, u will notice dt you do not take notice of the immediate environment. You will have higher concentration and will enter d spirit realm immediately.
If you by chance have any evil deposit in ur body, as you shake ur body, they will leave.
I miss d days I prayed such prayers.

Carnality rules on Nairaland especially amongst the uninformed Christians parading this forum like a colossus. They complain about the whole essence of Christianity and expect God to intervene in their matter. Anybody, who stays in the House and makes jest of what goes in there is a B.a.s.t.a.r.d and this is without apologies. If you have to complain about Pastors, tithing, offerings, Christian Teachings that have roots in the Bible then Christianity is not for you.

This is the kind of topics(created by a muslim) that make front page. Bt only topics that praise Islam sees the home page. Shame on the bigots that moderate the frontpage. [b]A BIG SHAME[b]

Dap07: To destabilize dia brains and get hallucinations which they call visions...

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I pray forgiveness for all of una wey dey run ya mind ( cos you ain't using your mouth)..... And for knowledge cos y'all fools! Shame on y'all.

thats hypoceitic prayer

sagytarius™:

thah thah thah thah thoh thoh thoh!!! Sherimama shantarashiba!! I rebuke you for calling him a fool.

R u in d spirit 2?

just checked my calendar ohhh i see its sunday:christian bashing day , take look at the number of christian bashing thread on the front page

Q. What is the difference between these pentecostals who shake their heads and bodies vigorously whilst they move their mouths incoherently and the native doctor in my village who does exactly the same thing while saying his incantations and invoking the spirits?
A.Nothing!That style of prayer is just another version of paganism amongst the many pagan stuff disingenuously introduced into Christianity

@Pangea & Co.....am still waiting to hear why they pray that way. The references you gave are in no way related to the topic....infact, they can be used to condemn the practise of this noisy bodyshaking style of prayer. In your references....Elijah was alone and Jesus was alone. What does the Bible say about praying?........ na find a quiet place?... and did it not specify to be very private and not put on a show? ....and about carnal man can't understand the workings of the spirit......is your thinking not the same as those who were in the Tower of Babel?.... am sure you would be one to see and admire "The Emperor's New Clothes". Again...the question is a fair one and has nothing to do with Islam....regardless if it is posted by a Muslim. If you don't like the message why crucify the messenger? Man is free to worship or not worship...to believe or not believe....to pray however and whenever if ever he wants to pray. OP ....and myself...just would like to know why they pray that way. If we too carnal and can't understand just say so instead of dashng insults.

Pangea:

To the topic,
Prayer is an expression of the soul trying to contact its maker, its a way of communicating [size=20pt]with the spiritual,[/size] its a cry for help from above.
There are many instances and inferences in the bible where passionate prayers were demonstrated and which you may call [size=20pt]getting physical with prayers:[/size]

First, I have placed your own words side by side. You appear to know what you're saying but messed it up in between. Now, if prayer is communicating WITH THE SPIRITUAL, how then does it became PHYSICAL....by shaking of one's head VIGOROUSLY? How do you interpret physically shaking of one's head to SPIRITUAL communication? Please explain yourself.

Pangea:

Jesus was praying in the garden of Gethsemane for the cup to go over him and the bible recorded that his sweat was as thick as blood,such prayers are not ordinary, it must have been physical for him to be sweating like that in an open and cold garden before dawn.

See, this is the problem with religion - it imports extra-biblical meaning into the text. Now, you are the one saying such prayers are not ordinary and it MUST HAVE BEEN PHYSICAL. Why the heck did you get that from scriptures? You mean Jesus had to engage in PHYSICAL exercise (such as shaking his head vigorously) to communicate to the spiritual in order for his sweat to be described 'like' blood? And since these people had been shaking their heads like lizard, why hasn't their sweat be described 'like' blood?

Pangea:
Another example is Elijah, after the bloody power play with the prophets of Baal on mount carmel,
He wanted to pray for rain and the bible recorded that he sat on the ground and put his head between his laps to pray!
I'm sure many on Nairaland seeing such prayers would have called him mad, but Elijah prayed such acrobatic prayers and got results.

And Elijah has become examples for Christains Paul said, follow me as I follow Christ - following my (Paul's) examples is as though following Christ's example. We do not have such thing as Christ shaking his head vigorously and such shouldn't be Christian examples.

Pangea:
No wonder unusual things are no longer working with prayers again, because many new generation christians always attack what they don't understand.
I rest my case!

Again, this is your own assumption sir. There are people (Christians) all over the world that does great things for/with God by praying WITHOUT SHAKING THEIR HEADS.

There is nothing wrong in praying to God anyhow u deem comfortable.Even if u decide to hang upside down and pray, it's ok as long as it's from the heart.

Emylexray:
haaa! Oga goshen! You too!

I have always respected you for your sound knowledge of the Bible and your unbiased way of addressing religious matters, but this comment of yours depicts how "unspiritual" you are bro. What happened to warfare prayers?

First, DO NOT look unto me as a man, look unto Christ and If I teach what aligns with scriptures, follow it but if I err, follow Christ. In all, study the word for yourself to learn the truth for yourself.

Second, being Spiritual doesn't make you loose your mind especially when it comes to things of God. Like I said earlier, one of the fruit of the Holy Spirit is SELF control. You control yourSELF which includes your body and parts of your body. The Nigerian version of Christianity, actually its churchianity not Christianity because the early Christians prayed and got extra ordinary result and we're NOT told shaking their heads were part of their prayer exercise.

Emylexray:

Genesis 32 vs 24 : and jacob was left alone and there "wrestled" a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25. And when he saw that he pravailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh. . .AS HE WRESTLED WITH HIM.

In the above bible verses, Jacob wrestled with an angel in prayers. "Wrestled" in that context connotes "violence". So what are we saying? Shaking the head while praying indicates violence or "holy anger" as some may term it. Na wa o!

When you say Jacod 'wrestled' with a man, what was it? Physical or invisible man? Today, our warfare is NOT physical but spiritual (Eph. 6:12). How do you wrestle with invisible forces if it is physical? Jacobs' case is a type of the NT spiritual warfare. In Jacob's case, it was physical but in the NT, it's spiritual and the Apostle say, our warfare is NOT with FLESH AND BLOOD but against SPIRITUAL wickedness....

You said, ""Wrestled" in that context connotes "violence". So what are we saying? Shaking the head while praying indicates violence or "holy anger" as some may term it".

I can't believe this! Well, you said it all as you rightly said..."as some may term it", NOT what scripture says neither did scriptures term it so. wrestled doesn't = violence and shaking head while praying is just a religious add up to the things of the Spirit, it does not indicate violence. Jesus cast out demons BY HIS WORDS, not shaking his heads and screaming and sweating. Well, you may not buy into my teaching but study the scriptures for yourself and in the mirror of the word, let God show you how Spiritual things are done. Things of the Spirit are done in the ways of the Spirit not in Nigerian way.

It is lack of faith and some believe if you scream and shake your body parts you will be heard. How many of these people are even Christian in the real sense of it. Many so called Christians are possessed. If you want to know listen to their reactions now.

goodmike7: What is your business fool,idiot,why can't you people mind your business and leave christians or pentecostal churches alone,when muslims lick the floor and scrape their forehead everyday do we ask why

Get a life and mind your business,if you can't pray like that then keep your mouth shut while others pray however they choose.

If you pray however you choose God will answer however He chooses. Having a meek and teachable spirit is an outstanding quality of a good christian. God doesnt answer 'anyhow prayer'. Take correction or you justify your action if you display 'pentecostal gymnastics' during prayers.

God2man:

I am with you 100%, the bible says we wrestle, wrestling match is dangerous, your hand, leg, head, every part of your body must fight or else you become a casualty.
You have not yet resisted unto blood striving against sin.

God bless you.

God2man.

I know very well you are vast in SPIRITUAL WARFARE. How did I know that? From many of your post. Now, when scripture says we 'wrestle' does it says it is PHYSICAL? and does it say your legs are inlvolved Where the heck did you get that imported into scriptures Sometimes you say things that I begin to question 'some' things about you. How do you fight a SPIRITUAL warfare with LEGS, HEAD, HANDS AND EVERY PART OF YOUR BODY MUST FIGHT. Okay, now lemme take you into the Spiritual warfare stuff - when you engage in warfare which the Bible says its SPIRITUAL, meaning the forces you fight against are NOT SEEN by the natural eyes and yet, it is called SPIRITUAL warfare, then it follows that it is with your spirit that you engage in such warfare. Why? Because the deep calls unto the deep. In that case, you walk in the Spirit and by faith (SPIRITUAL FORCE) and NOT by sight (PHYSICAL SENSES).

A Shepherd is first a sheep before he becomes a Shepherd; that way he understands the Sheep and their actions. When I was a young Christian, I attended a church where in prayer warrior, we do such things as shaking heads. When I began to look into the mirror of the word, I realized it has nothing to do with the Spiritual warfare, it's just a religious sentiments. Well, I'm not saying people shouldn't shake their head when they pray but does it align with scriptures and it is make it a right prayer practices? They can shake their heads for all I care, it's not my head, it's theirs. Don't just make a case for it proving that is the right thing to do.

Lovine: It is lack of faith and some believe if you scream and shake your body parts you will be heard. How many of these people are even Christian in the real sense of it. Many so called Christians are possessed. If you want to know listen to their reactions now.

They are modern day prophets of Baal who infiltrated into the christian fold with their unbiblical teachings and diabolical practices. They copy their religious leaders sheepishly not knowing that they are humans who are prone to sin. I remember going to a church where everybody was compelled to speak in tongues! Funny.

jidegirl12: I pray forgiveness for all of una wey dey run ya mind ( cos you ain't using your mouth)..... And for knowledge cos y'all fools! Shame on y'all.

Calling people fools is a Christ-like behavior right?
It your kind that have the conceited opinion that they are saved.
Save your strength and pray for yourself.

Goshen360:

First, DO NOT look unto me as a man, look unto Christ and If I teach what aligns with scriptures, follow it but if I err, follow Christ. In all, study the word for yourself to learn the truth for yourself.

Second, being Spiritual doesn't make you loose your mind especially when it comes to things of God. Like I said earlier, one of the fruit of the Holy Spirit is SELF control. You control yourSELF which includes your body and parts of your body. The Nigerian version of Christianity, actually its churchianity not Christianity because the early Christians prayed and got extra ordinary result and we're told shaking their heads were part of their prayer exercise.



When you say Jacod 'wrestled' with a man, what was it? Physical or invisible man? Today, our warfare is NOT physical but spiritual (Eph. 6:12). How do you wrestle with invisible forces if it is physical? Jacobs' case is a type of the NT spiritual warfare. In Jacob's case, it was physical but in the NT, it's spiritual and the Apostle say, our warfare is NOT with FLESH AND BLOOD but against SPIRITUAL wickedness....

You said, ""Wrestled" in that context connotes "violence". So what are we saying? Shaking the head while praying indicates violence or "holy anger" as some may term it".

I can't believe this! Well, you said it all as you rightly said..."as some may term it", NOT what scripture says neither did scriptures term it so. wrestled doesn't = violence and shaking head while praying is just a religious add up to the things of the Spirit, it does not indicate violence. Jesus cast out demons BY HIS WORDS, not shaking his heads and screaming and sweating. Well, you may not buy into my teaching but study the scriptures for yourself and in the mirror of the word, let God show you how Spiritual things are done. Things of the Spirit are done in the ways of the Spirit not in Nigerian way.

God is coming out of the boxes we have placed Him in and doing what He wants to do - God is God and we're not!
God will choose to offend our minds in order to reveal what is in our hearts.

Manifestations:

1. Falling on the floor - (being slain in the Spirit)- Resting in the presence of God. Something tremendously important is being done within you (deep inner healing, preparation for ministry, physical healing, receiving of visions, feeling the love of God. )

2. Laughter - The medical profession has discovered health and wholeness comes through laughter. Healing can come through laughter.

3. Shaking ( head, hands, feet, and body ) - Sign of a much deeper happening. Not just the body is shaking, but there is a Prophetic shaking. This is often a type of intercessory prayer. People who shake are often used Prophetically. God will shake the status quo and our agendas, plans, complacency, and the theology that says God only works "this way." Everything built on sand will be shaken.

4. Deep bowing - The Jewish people who worship at the wailing wall do so with deep bowing. This manifestation is usually seen in intercessors.