Bidam:

God is coming out of the boxes we have placed Him in and doing what He wants to do - God is God and we're not!
God will choose to offend our minds in order to reveal what is in our hearts.

Manifestations:

1. Falling on the floor - (being slain in the Spirit)- Resting in the presence of God. Something tremendously important is being done within you (deep inner healing, preparation for ministry, physical healing, receiving of visions, feeling the love of God. )

2. Laughter - The medical profession has discovered health and wholeness comes through laughter. Healing can come through laughter.

3. Shaking ( head, hands, feet, and body ) - Sign of a much deeper happening. Not just the body is shaking, but there is a Prophetic shaking. This is often a type of intercessory prayer. People who shake are often used Prophetically. God will shake the status quo and our agendas, plans, complacency, and the theology that says God only works "this way." Everything built on sand will be shaken.

4. Deep bowing - The Jewish people who worship at the wailing wall do so with deep bowing. This manifestation is usually seen in intercessors.

Goshen360:

First, I have placed your own words side by side. You appear to know what you're saying but messed it up in between. Now, if prayer is communicating WITH THE SPIRITUAL, how then does it became PHYSICAL....by shaking of one's head VIGOROUSLY? How do you interpret physically shaking of one's head to SPIRITUAL communication? Please explain yourself.



See, this is the problem with religion - it imports extra-biblical meaning into the text. Now, you are the one saying such prayers are not ordinary and it MUST HAVE BEEN PHYSICAL. Why the heck did you get that from scriptures? You mean Jesus had to engage in PHYSICAL exercise (such as shaking his head vigorously) to communicate to the spiritual in order for his sweat to be described 'like' blood? And since these people had been shaking their heads like lizard, why hasn't their sweat be described 'like' blood?



And Elijah has become examples for Christains Paul said, follow me as I follow Christ - following my (Paul's) examples is as though following Christ's example. We do not have such thing as Christ shaking his head vigorously and such shouldn't be Christian examples.



Again, this is your own assumption sir. There are people (Christians) all over the world that does great things for/with God by praying WITHOUT SHAKING THEIR HEADS.

Goshen360:

I know very well you are vast in SPIRITUAL WARFARE. How did I know that? From many of your post. Now, when scripture says we 'wrestle' does it says it is PHYSICAL? and does it say your legs are inlvolved Where the heck did you get that imported into scriptures Sometimes you say things that I begin to question 'some' things about you. How do you fight a SPIRITUAL warfare with LEGS, HEAD, HANDS AND EVERY PART OF YOUR BODY MUST FIGHT. Okay, now lemme take you into the Spiritual warfare stuff - when you engage in warfare which the Bible says its SPIRITUAL, meaning the forces you fight against are NOT SEEN by the natural eyes and yet, it is called SPIRITUAL warfare, then it follows that it is with your spirit that you engage in such warfare. Why? Because the deep calls unto the deep. In that case, you walk in the Spirit and by faith (SPIRITUAL FORCE) and NOT by sight (PHYSICAL SENSES).

A Shepherd is first a sheep before he becomes a Shepherd; that way he understands the Sheep and their actions. When I was a young Christian, I attended a church where in prayer warrior, we do such things as shaking heads. When I began to look into the mirror of the word, I realized it has nothing to do with the Spiritual warfare, it's just a religious sentiments. Well, I'm not saying people shouldn't shake their head when they pray but does it align with scriptures and it is make it a right prayer practices? They can shake their heads for all I care, it's not my head, it's theirs. Don't just make a case for it proving that is the right thing to do.

KINGwax: since i biliv d OP: zidik, is a muslim, then the answer u seek lies in the same reasons all muslims knock their head on the floor in form on bowin. No wonder they loose their senses and become realistic brain-shaken terrorists.

Pangea:

What are you on about?
Normally I don't respond to people that believe that they are the master of all things scriptural, I allowed them to stew in their ignorance!
But in this case I will make an exception for the benefit of the simple minded folks here in this place who are impressionable.

Pangea:

Like I said previously, Prayer is communication with the spiritual, and you asked how you can do that by getting physical? The question you asked actually betrayed your ignorance if you are a christian, I will answer it too by asking you these questions:
Do you pray at all?
If you do, how do you do it?
Do you turn yourself to a ghost to do it, or you do it with your physical mouth?

Pangea:

You mentioned the issue of Jesus sweat as thick as blood, and you made allusion to it, my friend don't say what you dont know, the word of God with the help of the Holy spirit brings illumination, I'm amazed you don't know these! The scripture is filled with truths that will astound you if you allow the Holy spirit to minister to you. The bible says in 2 Corinthians 3:6 “who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life"

Pangea:

And concerning Elijah, are you now saying he is not relevant in the matter under discussion?
Smh

Bidam:

Manifestations of God's Power

When observing, ask yourself:

1. Is Jesus being lifted up?
2. Are the Scriptures being elevated as the truth and pure Word of God?
3. Is the Spirit manifested bringing truth and greater Spiritual values?
4. Is the Spirit manifested destructive to satan and his kingdom?
5. Is the Spirit manifested leading people to love God and each other more?



God is coming out of the boxes we have placed Him in and doing what He wants to do - God is God and we're not!
God will choose to offend our minds in order to reveal what is in our hearts.

Manifestations:

1. Falling on the floor - (being slain in the Spirit)- Resting in the presence of God. Something tremendously important is being done within you (deep inner healing, preparation for ministry, physical healing, receiving of visions, feeling the love of God. )

2. Laughter - The medical profession has discovered health and wholeness comes through laughter. Healing can come through laughter.

3. Shaking ( head, hands, feet, and body ) - Sign of a much deeper happening. Not just the body is shaking, but there is a Prophetic shaking. This is often a type of intercessory prayer. People who shake are often used Prophetically. God will shake the status quo and our agendas, plans, complacency, and the theology that says God only works "this way." Everything built on sand will be shaken.

4. Deep bowing - The Jewish people who worship at the wailing wall do so with deep bowing. This manifestation is usually seen in intercessors.

Goshen360:

Calm down and discuss scripturally, maturely and like a Christian. Nobody is master of all except Christ and the complete word of God we have with us now. Let's get into the word.




Okay, I asked a question and you asked me question in return. That's okay by me even though you didn't answer. Don't get too emotional now, okay.

Do you pray at all? - Yes, I do pray.

If you do, how do you do it? - I do by talking to God, with my heart and with my mouth. That's being physical right? Yes, shaking my head to get answers? NO

Do you turn yourself to a ghost to do it, or you do it with your physical mouth? - Answered in (2) above....and you read my answers doesn't include SHAKING MY HEAD because it doesn't speed up my answers to prayers.




Thank God you desire to talk scripture and not just talking scripture; you want to the Spirit and life realm of the word for the letter kills but the Spirit gives life. I'm happy with this part.




You see why I laugh at people like you. You should have understood that during the time of Elijah, the revelation of God's word was IN PARTS or PIECES. The complete REVELATION is in CHRIST. Elijah called fire, NOT Spiritual fire now we talking about o, but physical fire. The fire was visible according to scriptures not spiritual fire. Does the NT tells you to call fire on people physically today and the NT has a scriptural way to bring FIRE ON YOUR ENEMIES.

Mandesz: I dont know wy u muslims will just want 2 compare ur ways of worshipin wit dat of d xtains. But u said u ar all ordinary slaves to God! Imagine a slave want 2 compare himsef 2 d king's son in d palace...that must b like putin ursef 2 where u can neva belong.
Xtains ar one in Christ when u ar in God's santuary no matter ur health,sex,or status.
You av abuse ur religion 2 d extnt dat a new born baby will not want 2 b a muslim. So wy not put ursef in order instead of tryin 2 make other religion 2 fade like urs.
I realise even d xtains dnt do dis comparism cos a prince will never put himsef so low to d level of a slave!

Mandesz: I dont know wy u muslims will just want 2 compare ur ways of worshipin wit dat of d xtains. But u said u ar all ordinary slaves to God! Imagine a slave want 2 compare himsef 2 d king's son in d palace...that must b like putin ursef 2 where u can neva belong.
Xtains ar one in Christ when u ar in God's santuary no matter ur health,sex,or status.
You av abuse ur religion 2 d extnt dat a new born baby will not want 2 b a muslim. So wy not put ursef in order instead of tryin 2 make other religion 2 fade like urs.
I realise even d xtains dnt do dis comparism cos a prince will never put himsef so low to d level of a slave!

Pangea:

Alright you pray, good,
May I correct you that prayer is not talking to God alone?

Pangea:

Prayer can be vertical, like you mentioned, that is talking to God, you can do that within your
heart, without your lips moving, etc

Pangea:

Prayer can also be horizontal, that is prayers of spiritual warfare, that can't be done quietly!

Goshen360:

First, DO NOT look unto me as a man, look unto Christ and If I teach what aligns with scriptures, follow it but if I err, follow Christ. In all, study the word for yourself to learn the truth for yourself.

Second, being Spiritual doesn't make you loose your mind especially when it comes to things of God. Like I said earlier, one of the fruit of the Holy Spirit is SELF control. You control yourSELF which includes your body and parts of your body. The Nigerian version of Christianity, actually its churchianity not Christianity because the early Christians prayed and got extra ordinary result and we're told shaking their heads were part of their prayer exercise.



When you say Jacod 'wrestled' with a man, what was it? Physical or invisible man? Today, our warfare is NOT physical but spiritual (Eph. 6:12). How do you wrestle with invisible forces if it is physical? Jacobs' case is a type of the NT spiritual warfare. In Jacob's case, it was physical but in the NT, it's spiritual and the Apostle say, our warfare is NOT with FLESH AND BLOOD but against SPIRITUAL wickedness....

You said, ""Wrestled" in that context connotes "violence". So what are we saying? Shaking the head while praying indicates violence or "holy anger" as some may term it".

I can't believe this! Well, you said it all as you rightly said..."as some may term it", NOT what scripture says neither did scriptures term it so. wrestled doesn't = violence and shaking head while praying is just a religious add up to the things of the Spirit, it does not indicate violence. Jesus cast out demons BY HIS WORDS, not shaking his heads and screaming and sweating. Well, you may not buy into my teaching but study the scriptures for yourself and in the mirror of the word, let God show you how Spiritual things are done. Things of the Spirit are done in the ways of the Spirit not in Nigerian way.

Bidam:

Manifestations of God's Power

When observing, ask yourself:

1. Is Jesus being lifted up?
2. Are the Scriptures being elevated as the truth and pure Word of God?
3. Is the Spirit manifested bringing truth and greater Spiritual values?
4. Is the Spirit manifested destructive to satan and his kingdom?
5. Is the Spirit manifested leading people to love God and each other more?



God is coming out of the boxes we have placed Him in and doing what He wants to do - God is God and we're not!
God will choose to offend our minds in order to reveal what is in our hearts.

Manifestations:

1. Falling on the floor - (being slain in the Spirit)- Resting in the presence of God. Something tremendously important is being done within you (deep inner healing, preparation for ministry, physical healing, receiving of visions, feeling the love of God. )

2. Laughter - The medical profession has discovered health and wholeness comes through laughter. Healing can come through laughter.

3. Shaking ( head, hands, feet, and body ) - Sign of a much deeper happening. Not just the body is shaking, but there is a Prophetic shaking. This is often a type of intercessory prayer. People who shake are often used Prophetically. God will shake the status quo and our agendas, plans, complacency, and the theology that says God only works "this way." Everything built on sand will be shaken.

4. Deep bowing - The Jewish people who worship at the wailing wall do so with deep bowing. This manifestation is usually seen in intercessors.

Goshen360:

I can't comprehend this my brother. I'm sorry. You need to talk in scriptures - that's the only language I understand. I don't want to start analyzing your statement one after the other. Talk scriptures please. God cannot contradict His word. When you say things outside scripture, I don't have obligation to respond to you.

Emylexray:
bro, i've observed most of your posts and teachings carefully and i can say you base your explanations solely on the NEW TESTAMENT thereby undermining the teachings and doctrines of the OLD TESTAMENT.

Emylexray:

I can remember vividly when you said "tithing" had been abolished in the old testament, are you implying that the doctrines of the OLD TESTAMENT are no longer valid in the mordern day christainity?

Emylexray:
That aside you said spiritual battles can only be fought spiritually, how do you mean? Are you implying that the physical man must turn to a spirit before he can tackle spiritual things? I believe the physical controls the spiritual. When we pray in the physical, it affects the spiritual.

sunny t: Thats the trend, U know d saying "go with d flow, go wia d wind blows"

Wait a minute, is dia a particular way to pray? Are u suppose to lie down, kneel down or . . . . . . ?

Lovine: There's no particular way to pray. As the spirit leads my dear

But not as if you are praying to the air, but not to a living God. Sometimes prayers can go like that but [size=20pt]not a custom.[/size]

KINGwax: since i biliv d OP: zidik, is a muslim, then the answer u seek lies in the same reasons all muslims knock their head on the floor in form on bowin. No wonder they loose their senses and become realistic brain-shaken terrorists.

Lovine: But why do the Muslims wash their heads, ears, eyes, even their privates before prayer? And also they shout every morning?

Lovine: ...and Christians are instructed to do the same thing in the manner/way? If you are a female, (which I don't know anyway) don't tell me you don't go to worship place or gathering when you have your monthly discharge.....
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No Christians don't observe that law it was for Judaism, Judaism is not Christian

goodmike7: What is your business fool,idiot,why can't you people mind your business and leave christians or pentecostal churches alone,when muslims lick the floor and scrape their forehead everyday do we ask why

Get a life and mind your business,if you can't pray like that then keep your mouth shut while others pray however they choose.

KINGwax: since i biliv d OP: zidik, is a muslim, then the answer u seek lies in the same reasons all muslims knock their head on the floor in form on bowin. No wonder they loose their senses and become realistic brain-shaken terrorists.

Goshen360:

Again, I don't want to start analyzing your statement because God doesn't contradict his word. Go straight to the point bro.