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Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Nobody: 3:03am On Feb 03
Psalm 98 King James Version (KJV) O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.
The LORD hath made known his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly shewed in the sight of the heathen.
He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.
Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.
Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.
With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.
Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
Let the floods clap their hands: let the hills be joyful together
Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Nobody: 3:05am On Feb 03
Psalm 98 King James Version (KJV) O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.
The LORD hath made known his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly shewed in the sight of the heathen.
He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.
Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.
Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.
With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King.
Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
Let the floods clap their hands: let the hills be joyful together
Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.

Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Fetula4u: 5:26pm On Feb 05
The call of God is over my life but i don't want to become a pastor.....what do i do? Please help me am confuse
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by gurusubai7(m): 1:36pm On Feb 06
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Nobody: 7:39pm On Feb 06
If God Almighty wants you to carry out an assignment with the life he gave you, the 'bestest' option is for you to obey. Anything other than that is .... well

There are various positions in God's ministry not only pastoring.
Ephesians 4:11 King James Version
(KJV)
"And he gave some, apostles; and some,
prophets; and some, evangelists; and some,
pastors and teachers."

Follow the Holy Spirit's leading to find out how best to answer that calling.


Fetula4u:
The call of God is over my life but i don't want to become a pastor.....what do i do? Please help me am confuse
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Julivas(m): 1:37am On Feb 07
Fetula4u:
The call of God is over my life but i don't want to become a pastor.....what do i do? Please help me am confuse

Accept the call bro. God will help you out.

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Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Golden6(m): 4:18pm On Feb 09
Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Ihedinobi3: 4:58pm On Feb 09
Golden6:
Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you
Hi. I'm not sure what your goal is. It did look like you were just trying to harass Christians like other atheists here do so I ignored your thread. Are you actually asking for a Christian to explain to you what we believe and why we believe it? Is that what you want? Or are you just looking for an opportunity to show off your newly acquired big brains since you decided to become an atheist?

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Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Golden6(m): 5:10pm On Feb 09
Ihedinobi3:

Hi. I'm not sure what your goal is. It did look like you were just trying to harass Christians like other atheists here do so I ignored your thread. Are you actually asking for a Christian to explain to you what we believe and why we believe it? Is that what you want? Or are you just looking for an opportunity to show off your newly acquired big brains since you decided to become an atheist?





Ohh no..not to me... To the born again who told me that God doesn't love everyone.


My goal is clearly stated in the question I asked.. that the link was provided
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Ihedinobi3: 5:22pm On Feb 09
Golden6:






Ohh no..not to me... To the born again who told me that God doesn't love everyone.


My goal is clearly stated in the question I asked.. that the link was provided
You are all over threads asking Christians to help you understand how God exists and you say that it is the "born again who told (you) that God doesn't love everyone" that you want addressed?

Look, there are plenty enough atheists on this forum with whom you can mock all you want. And there are more than enough Christians willing to talk to you even if they are wasting their time doing so. You can go to them. If you want to have a real conversation, however, you will have to begin with honesty first and I'll join you.

Now, do you want to understand what Christians believe or do you want to have some fun?

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Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by BL00DRAW: 11:16am On Feb 10
It’s the church and Saint Paul that has fed them the dogma of three gods in one god and the blood of the begotten son theory. How their intelligence allows them to accept such a concept of God is beyond understanding.
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by JeromeBlack: 2:40pm On Feb 10
Ihedinobi3:

You are all over threads asking Christians to help you understand how God exists and you say that it is the "born again who told (you) that God doesn't love everyone" that you want addressed?

Look, there are plenty enough atheists on this forum with whom you can mock all you want. And there are more than enough Christians willing to talk to you even if they are wasting their time doing so. You can go to them. If you want to have a real conversation, however, you will have to begin with honesty first and I'll join you.

Now, do you want to understand what Christians believe or do you want to have some fun?

Hey, please, watch this video below. I want to ask you some religious questions on it. Please the video is not long.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt8kqqHOyww
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by budaatum: 3:46pm On Feb 10
BL00DRAW:
It’s the church and Saint Paul that has fed them the dogma of three gods in one god and the blood of the begotten son theory. How their intelligence allows them to accept such a concept of God is beyond understanding.

I am the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

Unless you enjoy Egypt!
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Nobody: 8:54pm On Feb 10
LOVE AT THE 9TH HOUR


Psalm 32:11 King James Version (KJV)
Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye
righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are
UPRIGHT IN HEART.

2 Samuel 24:1
"Again, God's anger blazed forth against Israel,
so he incited David to move against them by
telling him, "Go take a census of Israel and
Judah."



When God instructs a man, beware you don't stand in the way or mock them else you'll reap of God's wrath.

It's not up to the devil to determine how many times God Almighty will forgive sin. God's grace has no expiry date but don't misuse it. Don't say, "God will still forgive me when I ask." Such thing displeases God.

Don't stand by waiting for your neighbor to fall. Work your salvation. Love Jehovah in truth, don't come to him only when doom looms. STOP SEEKING LOVE AT THE 9TH HOUR. You have to make heaven. Nobody's soul deserves hell. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by budaatum: 9:27pm On Feb 10
Rebekkah:
LOVE AT THE 9TH HOUR

Psalm 32:11 King James Version (KJV)
Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye
righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are
UPRIGHT IN HEART.


Nobody's soul deserves hell. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.
Jesu love me now!
I will not wait till the THE 9TH HOUR!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5fXhoxJqQQ
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Ihedinobi3: 12:32am On Feb 11
JeromeBlack:


Hey, please, watch this video below. I want to ask you some religious questions on it. Please the video is not long.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt8kqqHOyww
I've watched it. Very sad. What are your questions?
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by JeromeBlack: 6:18am On Feb 11
Ihedinobi3:

I've watched it. Very sad. What are your questions?

Okay, here are my questions


1) Christians say that God has a plan. What is God's plan for such children who lived for many years under terror and abuse from murderous parents?

2) How can God sit down and watch the abuse of children? (The children were beaten, raped and also had to watch the murder/torture of many victims of their parents)

3) How do you preach to someone who grew up in such abuse? (I know someone who suffered similar abuse and refuses to believe in a God that allowed him to suffer throughout his childhood- he was abused for 16 years)
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Nobody: 7:45am On Feb 11
JEHOVAH HAS THE BEGINING & THE FINAL SAY. The rest can gabble in-between.

JESUS ALREADY LOVES YOU! It's up to you to return the affection. John 3:16, John 10:10, Ephesians 5:2, John 15:9, Luke 23:34, 1 John 2:15,



budaatum:

Jesu love me now!
I will not wait till the THE 9TH HOUR!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5fXhoxJqQQ


Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Nobody: 8:22am On Feb 11
Lamentations 3:22-23, "Because of the steadfast love of the LORD, we are not cut off. The steadfast love of the LORD never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness."


WHO SINNED

Don't ask why me? If not you then who? There's no perfect world till Christ returns. Some will be born princes, some paupers, yet some will cross over the borders and change their destinies. That's the world as it is now.

John 9:2, "And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, WHO SINNED, this man, or his parents, that he
was born blind?


vs 3, "Jesus answered, NEITHER hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God
should be made manifest in him.


Now, our greedy souls will ask, why must God be glorified through my suffering?
He isn't, your nature as man made it so. The man was destined to be HEALED by Jesus Christ for God's glory (not born to suffer for God's glory)

Everyone has had their share of abuse and pain; some are born orphans, sex slaves, prisoners, and others with congenital/terminal diseases. All result from bloodlines, you can't blame it on God. He made all perfect in the beginning. (Genesis 1:31, "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." )

When my dad died I begrudged God, and told him if he dared let anymore of my parents die, he'll see something. My mum died afterwards. it was pure pain. But let me divulge this; I WAS THE ONE WRONG.

Any wise man who finds himself in any bad situation will quickly seek solution not look for who to blame.

Abuse often destroys a person's 'innerself'. Trust me, God didn't create anyone for pain, if HE did, then every single human will be abused. These things occur due to decisions and choices in the bloodline (more popularly know as GENERATIONAL CURSES).

Instead of having secret anger against God (which is what satan wants), embrace God's LOVE, and break that curse so it doesn't get to your children.

God's plan for those in trouble;
Psalm 50:15, "And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me."


Jabez was cast out by his family members. His situation was worse than an almajiri. But Jabez took a decision, 1 Chronicles 4:10, "And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested."

A young girl, Malala Yusafzai, grew up amidst Taliban crackdown on education. Her neighborhood was under heavy terrorism. But Malala swore she must go to school. She had a phone (like everyone else). With what she had she began to blog about the evils, eventually, she gained attention and now she can go to any school she chooses (her kids, friends & family too).

Every decision you make has effects/results. If good, then good; if evil then evil. There are special demons that see to it that the effects of evil decisions continue down generations. How do they do these?

They work you into a state at which YOU don't seek solution. (NB: It's you that'll seek that solution, no one will do it for you)
They make you live a lifestyle that'll be fertile ground for the curse to thrive in.

Likewise good spirits pass on blessings from family to family.

Your good decisions may save many yet unborn today. MAKE IT, SERVE GOD ALMIGHTY.
MORE OF GOD'S LOVE.
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Ihedinobi3: 7:19pm On Feb 11
JeromeBlack:


Okay, here are my questions
Your questions are really one question, in my thinking: why is there pain and suffering in this life if God is just and has a plan?

But I will take them separately for simplicity.



JeromeBlack:
1) Christians say that God has a plan. What is God's plan for such children who lived for many years under terror and abuse from murderous parents?
His plan for them - as for everybody else - is for them to be saved from Eternal Condemnation and live with Him free of all kinds of pain and sorrow and regret throughout eternity. That is always back of everything that God either ordains or permits in this life.



JeromeBlack:
2) How can God sit down and watch the abuse of children? (The children were beaten, raped and also had to watch the murder/torture of many victims of their parents)
First, God is God and is thus not subject to any questioning. That is, it is folly to imagine that God is responsible to anyone at all. What He does is entirely as He pleases. So, it is wrongheaded to call Him on the carpet. A failure to accept this will simply make it impossible for the person asking questions to even begin to comprehend God's Wisdom in all that He does.

Second, this life is really just one very large question for each individual: will you trust God and submit to His Authority confident that He does all things well? Or will you consider yourself wiser than Him and reject His Authority confident that you can do better than He? All of our experiences are designed to give us an opportunity to answer this question. So, even though God does not want us to suffer as we do, He does permit it so that we can have a real chance at deciding whether we trust Him or not. Without a real opportunity to doubt His Ability and Character, we cannot really willingly choose to trust Him.

Third, part of the configuration of the circumstances that allow us to make a choice about God is the choices that other people make about Him. Wicked people exist who are choosing to reject God's Authority and who demonstrate that choice by hurting other people. Short of removing their right to choose, it is not possible to remove the role that they play in creating the circumstances which allow their victims to make their own choices. So, although it is no fault of the children's that they were born into homes like that, it is still an opportunity both for them and for their parents to demonstrate their choices about God.

Fourth and finally, this life is painful, yes, and regrettably so. But it was not meant to be that way. It only became that way because of #3 above. If creatures had not chosen to rebel against God at all, there would have been no evil whatsoever in the whole Creation. But they did and now everybody is touched in some way by it. But God allows it to give everybody a fair chance to choose the eternal destiny they want. In the end, all those who choose to trust Him will find that all the pains of this life will disappear and be replaced by only joy, only peace, only perfect happiness. Things must be this way for now but they will not be so forever.



JeromeBlack:
3) How do you preach to someone who grew up in such abuse? (I know someone who suffered similar abuse and refuses to believe in a God that allowed him to suffer throughout his childhood- he was abused for 16 years)
There really is only ever one thing to say, no matter who the audience may be: we are all sinners deserving of far worse than this world is able to throw at us. For even the least sin, the Lake of Fire is a devastating answer. But we don't have to pay for any of our sins anymore. We can look forward to an eternity completely free from all the terrible pains of this life and the incredible agony of the Lake of Fire if we choose to trust God and walk with Him no matter what.

Life is painful, no matter where we are and what we are doing. There is always something that hurts in a way that can make us call God on the carpet. But if we are honest, God is never to blame. He didn't have to create anybody. His doing so was His Pleasure. We owe Him our very existence whatever it may be. If our life is painful, He promises that if we trust Him now, He can show us a peace and a joy that cannot be touched by our circumstances and experience right now in this life. And after this life, He guarantees that we will never again have any experience like what we suffer through in this life.

This is not merely a fair deal. It is incredibly generous since it was our own rebellion that produced the pain of this life. If we say that we committed no sin to merit being born into such wicked families as your friend was, we must also remember that your friend could only be born if that family existed. As such, even though he was not suffering for something he did, being born there was his opportunity to demonstrate whether he thinks God is worth anything to him. That opportunity had incredible eternal rewards attached to it. Every labor is painful but the payout is what makes it sweet. God is always good to us even in giving us a chance to prove what we are worthy to receive in eternity.
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by JeromeBlack: 3:03am On Feb 12
Ihedinobi3:

Your questions are really one question, in my thinking: why is there pain and suffering in this life if God is just and has a plan?

But I will take them separately for simplicity.




His plan for them - as for everybody else - is for them to be saved from Eternal Condemnation and live with Him free of all kinds of pain and sorrow and regret throughout eternity. That is always back of everything that God either ordains or permits in this life.




First, God is God and is thus not subject to any questioning. That is, it is folly to imagine that God is responsible to anyone at all. What He does is entirely as He pleases. So, it is wrongheaded to call Him on the carpet. A failure to accept this will simply make it impossible for the person asking questions to even begin to comprehend God's Wisdom in all that He does.

Second, this life is really just one very large question for each individual: will you trust God and submit to His Authority confident that He does all things well? Or will you consider yourself wiser than Him and reject His Authority confident that you can do better than He? All of our experiences are designed to give us an opportunity to answer this question. So, even though God does not want us to suffer as we do, He does permit it so that we can have a real chance at deciding whether we trust Him or not. Without a real opportunity to doubt His Ability and Character, we cannot really willingly choose to trust Him.

Third, part of the configuration of the circumstances that allow us to make a choice about God is the choices that other people make about Him. Wicked people exist who are choosing to reject God's Authority and who demonstrate that choice by hurting other people. Short of removing their right to choose, it is not possible to remove the role that they play in creating the circumstances which allow their victims to make their own choices. So, although it is no fault of the children's that they were born into homes like that, it is still an opportunity both for them and for their parents to demonstrate their choices about God.

Fourth and finally, this life is painful, yes, and regrettably so. But it was not meant to be that way. It only became that way because of #3 above. If creatures had not chosen to rebel against God at all, there would have been no evil whatsoever in the whole Creation. But they did and now everybody is touched in some way by it. But God allows it to give everybody a fair chance to choose the eternal destiny they want. In the end, all those who choose to trust Him will find that all the pains of this life will disappear and be replaced by only joy, only peace, only perfect happiness. Things must be this way for now but they will not be so forever.




There really is only ever one thing to say, no matter who the audience may be: we are all sinners deserving of far worse than this world is able to throw at us. For even the least sin, the Lake of Fire is a devastating answer. But we don't have to pay for any of our sins anymore. We can look forward to an eternity completely free from all the terrible pains of this life and the incredible agony of the Lake of Fire if we choose to trust God and walk with Him no matter what.

Life is painful, no matter where we are and what we are doing. There is always something that hurts in a way that can make us call God on the carpet. But if we are honest, God is never to blame. He didn't have to create anybody. His doing so was His Pleasure. We owe Him our very existence whatever it may be. If our life is painful, He promises that if we trust Him now, He can show us a peace and a joy that cannot be touched by our circumstances and experience right now in this life. And after this life, He guarantees that we will never again have any experience like what we suffer through in this life.

This is not merely a fair deal. It is incredibly generous since it was our own rebellion that produced the pain of this life. If we say that we committed no sin to merit being born into such wicked families as your friend was, we must also remember that your friend could only be born if that family existed. As such, even though he was not suffering for something he did, being born there was his opportunity to demonstrate whether he thinks God is worth anything to him. That opportunity had incredible eternal rewards attached to it. Every labor is painful but the payout is what makes it sweet. God is always good to us even in giving us a chance to prove what we are worthy to receive in eternity.


Interesting.

I am summarizing your points as follows

1) The suffering any human being faces is irrelevant in God's eye. The overall master plan is to live in eternal paradise with him

2) God is not subject to us. We cannot question him

3) The original sin of Adam and Eve is also affecting us. We are partly responsible for it. (While you might be tempted to deny this consequence of your argument, remember that you said this; It is incredibly generous since it was our own rebellion that produced the pain of this life.

4) We all deserve to burn in hell because as you said; we are all sinners deserving of far worse than this world is able to throw at us. For even the least sin, the Lake of Fire is a devastating answer.
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I really want to say that I expected such heartless and illogical thinking from you. This is the problem many atheists have with believers like yourself- you put theology before rational analysis.

I will make five points in rebuttal of your theological points;


1) Facts remain facts and the important fact here is that humans are products of their upbringing and environment. This is why a son of a wife beater is usually a wife beater in future. Even the bible says that light cannot come out of darkness. It is actually an exception when an abused child turns his or her life into a good one as an adult in the future- usually the child becomes an abuser or a depressed human being.


2) Coming off from point 1, your God seems to put people in positions that make them less likely to believe in him. I want you note that some of these serial killers had some certain satanic and occultic beliefs. Now, imagine that you were born in a family that belonged to a satanic cult- would you have become the christian that you are today?


3) I come from a catholic background and I can attest that no one explains original sin like the catholics do. You are a catholic. Do you know that the concept of original sin is a catholic creation? Sorry but I left the catholic church because of doctrines like original sin. One cannot be responsible for the sins of his or her ancestors.


4) As a black humanist, slavery rubs me the wrong way. I hate slavery- both mental and physical. I cannot serve a God that cannot be questioned. That is mental slavery. If God gave us brains to reason and ask questions, then he should expect to be questioned by us humans. Your point that God does not owe us answers is both ridiculous and contradictory.

Furthermore, the God you present is not a leader but a slave driver. True leadership is service to one's followers. Have you forgotten that Jesus washed the feet of his followers? A God that cannot be questioned is one that cannot lead. How can you lead people if they do not understand your motives? There is a reason why atheists regard a lot of christian as brainless sheep- they just follow religion without thinking.


5) Even the catholics knew that all sins could not be counted as equal. Even in Dante's inferno, all sins do not get the same treatment. Your view that we all deserve hell because even the smallest sin deserves the lake of fire is nothing but heartless, apathetic and fatalist. Are you arguing that a lying teenager deserves the same fate as a serial killer?

Your view on life is worse than nihilism. Where the nihilist believes that there is no meaning at all, you believe that there is no meaning except the choice between heaven and hell in the afterlife. Both you and the nihilist waste your lives, the difference is that the nihilist wastes his life in meaninglessnesss while you waste your own life in an illogical purpose.

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Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by ochibuogwu5: 9:51am On Feb 12
"Without faith no one can please GOD...." {Hebrews 11:6}

"for whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the VICTORY that overcomes the world, our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world but the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?" {1 John 5:4-5}

"...When the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?" {Luke 18:8}

Do you have faith in Jesus Christ?
Is your faith alive or sleeping?
Are you at the point of giving up on Jesus Christ because of sin/trials/temptations/sickness/financial-crises?
Have you fed your faith today with bible studies to discover more about Jesus Christ; the beginning-sustenance-End of our Faith?

Just ascend the THRONE OF GRACE in your heart RIGHT NOW; remind HIM of his EVERLASTING LOVE upon you his child, ask for his MERCY AND HAVE GRACE to help you in this time of NEED {Hebrews 4:16} and NEVER AGAIN depart from HIS THRONE OF GRACE!!!
GREAT GRACE TO YOU

And now I commend you to God [placing you in His protective, loving care] and [I commend you] to the word of His grace [the counsel and promises of His unmerited favor]. His grace is able to build you up and to give you the [rightful] inheritance among all those who are sanctified [that is, among those who are set apart for God’s purpose—all believers] in Jesus Mighty Name. Amen.
(Acts 20:32 AMP)
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by ochibuogwu5: 3:45pm On Feb 12
Prayers aganist Sexual Sin.
(if you are addicted to any form of sexual sin, be it fornication, adultery, Masturbation, etc.,take this prayer seriously)

In the Mighty name of Jesus, I renounce all sexual sins that I have been involved with in the past, including fornication, masturbation, pornography, perversion, fantasy and adultery in the name of Jesus. O God release me from every curse afflicted on me as a result of adultery, perversion, fornication, lust, incest, rape, molestation, illegitimacy, harlotry, and polygamy in the name of Jesus.

I blind and command all spirits of lust and perversion to come out of my stomach, genitals, eyes, mind, mouth, hands, and blood in the name of Jesus.

According to the word of God, I present my body to the Lord as a living sacrifice unto you O my Lord.

I release the fire of God to burn out all unclean lust from my life in the name of Jesus.

I break all ungodly soul ties with former lovers and sexual partners in the name of Jesus.

I cast out all spirits of loneliness that makes me to engage in an ungodly sexual relationships in the name of Jesus.

By the authority in the name of Jesus, I command all spirits of hereditary lust from my ancestors to come out of me, go into the abyss and never come back again in the name of Jesus.

I command the spirit of lust injected into me by the spirit husband/ wife to be destroyed by the fire of the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus.

I command the spirit of lust injected into me by the spirit witches and wizards to be destroyed by the fire of the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus.

I take authority over my thoughts and bind all spirits of fantasy and lustful thinking in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

I receive the spirit of holiness in my life to walk in sexual purity in the name of Jesus.

According to the word of God in 1st John 2:16, I loose myself from the spirit of the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. I overcome the world through the power of the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ; because according to Romans. 6:6-14, I am crucified with Christ. I mortify my members, sin cannot reign in my body and I will not obey its lust. Amen.
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Ihedinobi3: 6:10pm On Feb 12
JeromeBlack:



Interesting.

I am summarizing your points as follows

1) The suffering any human being faces is irrelevant in God's eye. The overall master plan is to live in eternal paradise with him

2) God is not subject to us. We cannot question him

3) The original sin of Adam and Eve is also affecting us. We are partly responsible for it. (While you might be tempted to deny this consequence of your argument, remember that you said this; It is incredibly generous since it was our own rebellion that produced the pain of this life.

4) We all deserve to burn in hell because as you said; we are all sinners deserving of far worse than this world is able to throw at us. For even the least sin, the Lake of Fire is a devastating answer.
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#1 and #3 are wrong.

For #1, I said that God has a plan for everyone to have a blissful eternity with Him. That does not mean that our experience today is irrelevant to Him. What the case actually is is that He is working even our experience today together with everything else for good for those who love Him. It is not irrelevant. As I said, it is necessary to provide everyone with a real opportunity to choose whether or not to partake in God's Eternity.

For #3, I said that God's Offer or Plan is extremely generous because the suffering in this life is entirely the result of creature rebellion. It was not His fault, that was my point. We all sin. Each person's sin contributes to the suffering. That was all I was saying, not at all that we are responsible for anybody else's sin. Adam's sin only gave us the sin nature in our bodies so that from birth all of us sin. It did not make us responsible in any way for what he did.



JeromeBlack:
I really want to say that I expected such heartless and illogical thinking from you. This is the problem many atheists have with believers like yourself- you put theology before rational analysis.

I will make five points in rebuttal of your theological points;
We first began to debate each other in 2012. Barring the period between 2015 and 2018 when I was gone from Nairaland, we have always had run-in's with each other. So, you know me. I did change so that I say some things now different than I used to but you can have a good idea what I am likely to say from the history we've had. So, why do you ask me questions?

As for being heartless and illogical, I don't get paid here for what I do. The cost to me in doing it is substantial. I don't come on Nairaland for fun. I don't often find it entertaining because the Bible is serious business for me and I believe completely in letting each person exercise their full right to believe whatever they want so I don't typically come here to mock anybody for what they want to believe. I am happy to answer questions to help others understand the Bible correctly. I make an effort to teach the Bible in a systematic way too to help anyone who has not had such a teaching begin to appreciate the whole Truth of the Bible as a single system.

All of this is expensive personally for me. To be able to do what I do right now has cost me at least two potential career options. It has cost me in relationships and social status. It costs me significant time and energy and resources too. And I am working daily at preparing myself fully for the task of helping anyone at all who is pleased to have my help to come to believe in Jesus Christ and be saved and understand the Bible and run the race well enough to win the greatest eternal rewards.

I do this because if I can do anything about it, I would rather no one went to the Lake of Fire. And I would rather everyone attained to the full reward that God has prepared for all those who love Him and are zealous for His Truth. I do it because I want those who pass through this vale of tears that we call life to have something to show for it.

It has cost me to do it. It still costs me everyday to do it. It will cost me yet more to do it. And I don't get paid by you or anybody else on this website for what I do nor, by God's Grace, will I ever accept any pay for it. As a matter of fact, I have received significant abuse for it instead which I endeavor not to give back.

Is any of this true of you? You and others like you tell people especially unsuspecting believers that there is nothing to be afraid of after this life is passed. You vigorously and vehemently sell the lie that the Lake of Fire is a fiction and that God does not exist and so cannot judge anybody. You offer no reason for existence and absolutely no answer for the suffering in this life, telling those in pain that the world is cruel and you make of life what you will.

But somehow in the face of all of this, I am the heartless and illogical one of the two of us. How that makes sense to you or anybody is anybody's guess.



JeromeBlack:
1) Facts remain facts and the important fact here is that humans are products of their upbringing and environment. This is why a son of a wife beater is usually a wife beater in future. Even the bible says that light cannot come out of darkness. It is actually an exception when an abused child turns his or her life into a good one as an adult in the future- usually the child becomes an abuser or a depressed human being.
If exceptions exist at all, then it is not true that humans are products only of their upbringing and environment.

Humans are products of their choices. Our upbringing and environment do influence those choices but any other thing might if we are willing to let it. So, if a given human being is willing to listen to the Bible, their life can be completely different than their upbringing and environment might lead you to expect.



JeromeBlack:
2) Coming off from point 1, your God seems to put people in positions that make them less likely to believe in him. I want you note that some of these serial killers had some certain satanic and occultic beliefs. Now, imagine that you were born in a family that belonged to a satanic cult- would you have become the christian that you are today?
My own parents complain about how different I am from all my siblings. And there are plenty enough examples of believers who came from such households as you name. An easy example albeit of a different sort of background is the apostle Paul who was born into a very strict Pharisaical heritage but who became probably the greatest Christian to ever walk the earth. Note how Jews until today are still largely opposed to Christ and Christians.



JeromeBlack:
3) I come from a catholic background and I can attest that no one explains original sin like the catholics do. You are a catholic. Do you know that the concept of original sin is a catholic creation? Sorry but I left the catholic church because of doctrines like original sin. One cannot be responsible for the sins of his or her ancestors.
I am not a Roman Catholic. My maternal grandparents were and my mom used to be until around the time I was born. My maternal grandma used to take me to sacraments when I was little until not too long before she died eleven or twelve days to my eleventh birthday. I loved Roman traditions and all the paraphernalia and spent much of my time in my first year in secondary school reading about the Saints. I read the Apocrypha in a Roman Catholic Bible we had at home and learned some of the Roman hymns. But I was never quite a Roman Catholic.

Original sin is taught in far more churches than you might think. I grew up with the doctrine too although I was raised a Methodist. I found it in Pentecostal traditions too when I started questing on my own from my preteens, I think. It's everywhere. And it's false.

Original sin is not a Bible teaching. Adam's sin only corrupted his body so that every human being born from male seed comes into the world with a body which houses an evil bent of nature. We love to sin because we have bodies that crave to sin. That was what Adam's sin did. Or rather it was the curse that God laid on him for sinning. But no human being is responsible for any other human being's sin. Only the Lord Jesus was ever qualified or able to take responsibility for other people's sin. Otherwise, nobody has ever been held responsible for anybody else's sin.



JeromeBlack:
4) As a black humanist, slavery rubs me the wrong way. I hate slavery- both mental and physical. I cannot serve a God that cannot be questioned. That is mental slavery. If God gave us brains to reason and ask questions, then he should expect to be questioned by us humans. Your point that God does not owe us answers is both ridiculous and contradictory.

Furthermore, the God you present is not a leader but a slave driver. True leadership is service to one's followers. Have you forgotten that Jesus washed the feet of his followers? A God that cannot be questioned is one that cannot lead. How can you lead people if they do not understand your motives? There is a reason why atheists regard a lot of christian as brainless sheep- they just follow religion without thinking.
I said that it is foolishness and wrong-headed to presume to question God, not that it is either impossible to question God or that God does not answer when He is challenged by fools.

Consider what you say is ridiculous and contradictory. God invented all of the Universe. In other words, no one existed to give Him a rule book about how the Universe should work. Nobody has ever existed to whom God is responsible at all. Everything God does is by definition an illimitable decree. When anyone presumes to question God, their assumption is that they know something that He doesn't. But there is no knowledge at all to be had outside of what God Himself knows. That is what makes it foolishness to question God.

But God is Love. He loves every single one of His creatures and tolerates much because of it. If He didn't, free will would not exist at all. He allows fools to question Him and even does answer them in the perfect way every time. But there is never a better answer for arrogance than one that cuts the arrogant down to size. So, very often when a fool presumes to question God, he receives God's Own Challenge in return. And it only goes well for the fool when he recognizes his foolishness and humbles himself.



JeromeBlack:
5) Even the catholics knew that all sins could not be counted as equal. Even in Dante's inferno, all sins do not get the same treatment. Your view that we all deserve hell because even the smallest sin deserves the lake of fire is nothing but heartless, apathetic and fatalist. Are you arguing that a lying teenager deserves the same fate as a serial killer?
I don't teach Roman doctrines or Dante's Inferno. I teach the Bible. And it holds that there is no sin that is deserving of better than the Lake of Fire. Sins are not equal. But every sin is a sin. And all sin has the same answer from God: eternity in the Lake of Fire barring a Sacrifice to atone for it.



JeromeBlack:
Your view on life is worse than nihilism. Where the nihilist believes that there is no meaning at all, you believe that there is no meaning except the choice between heaven and hell in the afterlife. Both you and the nihilist waste your lives, the difference is that the nihilist wastes his life in meaninglessnesss while you waste your own life in an illogical purpose.
Perhaps so. But because I desire the greatest rewards in the world to come, I try to live my life now in order to qualify for such rewards. In other words, how I live today in the midst of every circumstance in which I find myself is extremely important to me because it determines what I get to be in eternity. That seems about as logical to me as a student who works hard at their degree because of what they hope that it does for them outside the walls of the University or as logical to me as a businessman who works hard at a deal because of what he hopes to gain on the other side of it.
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Nobody: 8:11pm On Feb 12
Rebekkah:
LOOKING FOR V'DAY LOVE

14th February is two days away. You won't fail to notice how redder things have become. Just like Christmas, yahooo!

But of course a different kind of Christmas. You know Christmases are spent with family but V'DAY is solely for that special one right?

Let's not bother about the st Valentine myth and all that, it wasn't what you came here for, was it? We're all searching for love, truth be told.

BUT, already we have that love staring us in the face. 'Damn, where's it!??' you'll ask.

IT'S IN JOHN 3:16

GOD'S LOVE SURPASSES ALL. Embracing this love is where the issue is (for some). You don't need any fairy tale reason to have and hold this undiluted love.


The Catholic father who went through tooth and nail to get lovers wedded bla bla bla... isn't he like a second father Christmas. Oh yes, he was an actual father (Catholic priest). Therefore, It'll be safe to say Valentine is the younger version of santa (another camouflage of satan) since they wear the same costume (RED for sacrifice & WHITE for purity, yep!). Valentine's day is a cover-up ceremony (uuuuuuh, sorry to disappoint you this time).

Tracing back to history; 14th February would mostly likely be the exact date of Passover and Purim.

Like Christmas and other earthly feasts, real dates and meanings have been terribly shaded. Remove the covercloth and you'll see satan's horn right at the centre of it. If not why would a memorial for a 'saint' become a day for elevated profanity and sexual perversion.

THINK-TANK!
It's not me that'll deny you of your lover's day gift and all. But we have to end this gullibility. Designating only 1 out of 365 days in a year for celebrating love is very very limiting. EVERYDAY IS LOVEDAY!

All Christians must do is sift off the chaff and bag the millet. Spread God's love on 14th February likewise other days.

Remember, Jehovah is LOVE. There you go; LOVE LOVE LOVE!

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Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Nobody: 10:53am On Feb 13
PMB will win the election on 16th February.
But as for this Buhari you see today, you shall see them no more.
NIGERIA WILL WORK AGAIN, HALLELUJAH! smiley
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by ochibuogwu5: 1:18pm On Feb 13
Share the Gospel of Jesus Christ every day and everywhere you find yourself.
Its benefit is *priceless and uncountable*


Some of the benefits of sharing the Gospel
It establishes your heart in the GRACE that is found only in Jesus Christ so that when trials, temptations, sinful-enticements, traps, depressions, heart-breaks, betrayals, sickness, anxieties, worries, pressures of life, fears e.t.c. occurs those GOSPEL you used for correction, reproof and training in righteousness will AUTOMATICALLY come up your MIND to direct you through the HOLY SPIRIT PROMPTINGS.
It heals and restores when you are physically or spiritually sick/weak.
It gladdens the heart as well as encourages longevity.
It re-affirms CERTAINTY OF ETERNAL CROWN anytime, any day THE TRUMPET BLOWS
It destroys FEAR and builds up unusual FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.
It helps in clarity of vision, sanity of purpose and timeliness in decision making in every sphere of living on this earth.
It is the only SEED that can sustain your children, family-relations or Citizens of your town/state/country in righteousness whether you are physically present or absent in their midst
It helps to check-mate our individual and group lifestyle.
It helps you to become sound as each sharing comes with corrections and criticisms from the Holy Spirit and the people who hear you speak
It delivers and saves our souls especially those of our new contacts forever

Where you can share the Gospel:
Social media platforms {Facebook, twitter, linkedin, whatsapp e.t.c}
Buses, Keke-Marwa, Cars, Streets, Compounds, Markets, Shops, Offices, Family-relations e.t.c anywhere human beings exist and to human beings


What to SHARE
The basic Gospel is SALVATION {God loves you now no matter how righteous or sinful you might have been however HIS PERFECT LOVE[ETERNAL LIFE] is made manifest in each individual that accepts JESUS CHRIST as LORD AND GOD because of his death on Calvary to deal with SIN once and FOR ALL as well as his RESURRECTION from death to justify us before HIS FATHER with reference John 3:16, Mark 1:15, Mark.16:15-16, 1 Cor.15:1-4, Eph.2:8-10, Romans 4:24-25, John 6:47} whether the person has believed before or not you need to re-affirm what SALVATION IN CHRIST JESUS ENTAILS then help him/her to build up his/her FAITH IN GRACE through regular fellowship with the Holy Spirit on personal/general bible studies bases {"Grow in Grace and in the knowledge of Our Lord Jesus Christ" 2 Peter 3:18}


ATTITUDE OF SHARING
Ask the HOLY SPIRIT TO HELP YOU even though He is the One that prompted you to share his gospel; go ahead and ask him for his love, mercy and grace to HELP YOU execute this his work because he is the first person that speaks to the human heart before our human utterance comes out of our mouth to BRING EFFECT thus "When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father, He will testify{first} on my behalf, You also are to testify{secondly} because you have been with me from the beginning" (John 15:26-27)
Do not COMPEL/FORCE anyone to hear your sharing, it is a proposal of faith to every human being however it is ONLY THE HOLY SPIRIT that can make what is shared to win a soul for the kingdom of Jesus Christ or make those who have believed already to become encouraged in Christ Jesus.
It should not baffle you that so many people will reject THE GOSPEL, some people will even beat/slap or mock you while some will introduce sinful relationships/ideas/business/thoughts to make you deviate just keep calling on the name of JESUS CHRIST, HOLY SPIRIT, ABBAH FATHER, BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST in your heart and mouth.
Speak with LOVE; imagine yourself being in a self-righteous state or in a sinful state then someone approaches you with the Gospel, present the Gospel to each person or group in a manner that you will like it to be given to you or your group and you will be WILLING TO GIVE JESUS CHRIST a thought/consideration at that INSTANCE...


If one person or group rejects the Gospel do not feel bad, pray for them to receive God's love, mercy and grace in your heart as you move to the next person/group


GREAT GRACE!!!
Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Julivas(m): 3:57pm On Feb 13
Rebekkah:
PMB will win the election on 16th February.

But as for this Buhari you see today, you shall see them no more.

NIGERIA WILL WORK AGAIN, HALLELUJAH! smiley

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