aduboy: Tinubu is a better leader any day. You judge by the person he handed over power to after his reign as governor. Obj is just a strong man but not a good leader. One thing that confirmed that is handing over power to Yardua and the third term agenda. The reason why Orji Uzo Kalu is also a bad leader. Tinubu is a rare gift to a people and am happy that his people recognise that.

jas_o:

You are novice and refused to know. Tinubu stand for unity and genuennely working for the progress of the SW in a situation Nigeria fail to work. He had no case of infidelity like Obj (having sex with his son's wife).
Obj blindly looted more than any president in the history of this country, He introduced excess crude oil account with objective of looting in the name of maintaining infrastructure. Hire assassin was legalize during his regime; we are still looking for the killer of genuine Yoruba man (Bola Ige). The money injected as claimed on power sector during obj’s regime is enough to stabilize electricity in Nigeria but what did we get? Obasanjo in his devilish and dastard act can't point out something he did to his region while in government. Some Abiola property was confiscated and diverted by this same obj but some were release by Yaradua. Obj declare do or die of election, what else do you need to attest to the fact that this man is filled up with evil and dangerous? He’s good in painting himself good for illiterate, he claims responsibility for all positive results and denied evils obviosly done by him. Prof. Wole Shoyinka, a respected Yoruba son, will be glad relating with Tinubu than obasanjo because he's knowledgeable about evil obj capable of doing.

naptu2:

President Obasanjo was not responsible for the duties of the 36 state governments. He was responsible for the duties of the Federal Government as set out in the constitution. The Federal Government has "one set of legislative, judicial and executive arms of government. For example, President Obasanjo did not have to send bills to state houses of assembly.

(Therefore, you can compare, eg what did Tinubu do with intrastate railways and what did Obasanjo do with interstate railways. No state government is responsible for the activities of the NRC, although they can assist, that's the job of the Feds. Again, what about ambulance services on federal owned interstate expressways?).

justmythought: Oh! thanks for the lucid contribution. I am indeed encouraged knowing critical minds like yours do exist. Now, back to the debate. If I can attempt to reason your point, you are saying as a political office holder, you manage what you've signed up to and yes this is true. But bear in mind we are talking here of Micro vs Macro management. while the state is responsible for managing a segment of a country(Tinubu here), of what use would this be if at the strategic level (FGN..OBJ) the macro economic indices are weak?

As a manager and leader, Obj through the office of NOI rebased the economy, ending fluctuations in our macroeconomic variables which in turn make it viable for a Tinubu to access developmental funds from international institutions like the IMF etc (Before the IGR drives kicked off).

I would also point to national unity and security. Absent the leadership experience of an OBJ, although with reservations in select decisions, I strongly doubt any person would have achieved same,in this regard he did well and I will like to believe he meant well(personal opinion!).

Going to your statement regarding Obj being responsible for a set of legislators(upper and lower), as a matter of fact they are representatives of their constituents, albeit in Nigeria at the moment they represent governors interests and maybe king makers(SAD). What this simply means is, managing a more diverse set of interests from a wide array of geographies. I doubt Tinubu's leadership skills can pull that off, even as we speak, otherwise the much anticipated merger might not have been necessary.

About state projects vs national projects, please ask yourself, how easy is it to pass a national budget compared to a state budget? these answers might explain the expedient nature of state projects in Nigeria.

The footprint laid by Tinubu is what Fashola(Governor extraordinaire) is implementing to our amazement and joy. they share a common goal with a common "heritage". An Obj had a choice to leave for an IBB to recalibrate or a yaradua to follow through.

So please my brother, If you live in Nigeria's gated community, you would know better that its a bigger task to lead a landlords association than a compound.

Holding forth with my views, OBJ Anyday!!!

naptu2:

Finally, you did what I wanted you to do, which is to complete the table of their achievements.

However, with regard to your analogy, it's much easier to lead an association of landlords, where the members are reasonable and gentlemanly characters, than it is to lead a compound of quarrelsome and disagreeable characters.

I would also encourage you to read the constitution, particularly the exclusive, concurrent and residual lists.

justmythought: Oh! thanks for the lucid contribution. I am indeed encouraged knowing critical minds like yours do exist. Now, back to the debate. If I can attempt to reason your point, you are saying as a political office holder, you manage what you've signed up to and yes this is true. But bear in mind we are talking here of Micro vs Macro management. while the state is responsible for managing a segment of a country(Tinubu here), of what use would this be if at the strategic level (FGN..OBJ) the macro economic indices are weak?

As a manager and leader, Obj through the office of NOI rebased the economy, ending fluctuations in our macroeconomic variables which in turn make it viable for a Tinubu to access developmental funds from international institutions like the IMF etc (Before the IGR drives kicked off).

I would also point to national unity and security. Absent the leadership experience of an OBJ, although with reservations in select decisions, I strongly doubt any person would have achieved same,in this regard he did well and I will like to believe he meant well(personal opinion!).

Going to your statement regarding Obj being responsible for a set of legislators(upper and lower), as a matter of fact they are representatives of their constituents, albeit in Nigeria at the moment they represent governors interests and maybe king makers(SAD). What this simply means is, managing a more diverse set of interests from a wide array of geographies. I doubt Tinubu's leadership skills can pull that off, even as we speak, otherwise the much anticipated merger might not have been necessary.

About state projects vs national projects, please ask yourself, how easy is it to pass a national budget compared to a state budget? these answers might explain the expedient nature of state projects in Nigeria.

The footprint laid by Tinubu is what Fashola(Governor extraordinaire) is implementing to our amazement and joy. they share a common goal with a common "heritage". An Obj had a choice to leave for an IBB to recalibrate or a yaradua to follow through.

So please my brother, If you live in Nigeria's gated community, you would know better that its a bigger task to lead a landlords association than a compound.

Holding forth with my views, OBJ Anyday!!!

Sapphire86: There is no comparison. Its lyk comparing Harvard n UNILAG; Obama n Jonathan.
OBJ rules anyday anytime anywhere. Even America picks OBJ ova Tinubu.

aduboy: Tinubu is a better leader any day. You judge by the person he handed over power to after his reign as governor.

Gbawe:

The critical flaw in your argument is that you dock scores for Tinubu relating to a non-existent scorecard. Tinubu has never been President of Nigeria and there is no way, if equitable in outlook, you will ever say with certainty that he would not have performed as well as or even far better than OBJ. It is therefore patently unfair to grant OBJ a win because of his leadership using tools of office Tinubu never had.

Likewise, OBJ has not been a Governor so it is pointless maligning him negatively in comparison to Tinubu in that regard.

Vitali Klitscho may have been in a position where he knocked out very big opponents but does that make him a better pugilist, in the purist sense, than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao?

For the sake of argument using empirically effective judging parameters, why not simply compare their leadership using an area they can both be judged directly alongside each other?

Why not look at them as Party leaders with the duty of positioning their Party as efficiently as possible in the same region? Look at their activities over time in perhaps the only role they can be compared like for like and it will be crystal clear OBJ is not close to Tinubu in terms of leadership skills and natural ability.

Gbongbonosi: its only fooled will may answer your question

jas_o: When you talk of leader it has to go with quality of the person in the sphere of deliverables.
Tinubu as formal governor of Lagos state introduce most of people benefit project that other states now used to efficiently govern their people.
In Yoruba land what Tinubu is presently doing - is to create an environment where people will be seeing as normal human being.
He introduce BRT to eliminate disconnect between the reach and the poor. This is what good governance is all about, bringing the poor and the rich together, with this; people feel less superior and subsequently reduce the interest to loot.
You can’t point something good to Obj. the only thing that can be attributed to him is corruption, because his regime compliment, institutionalize and bring impunity into corruption menace.

jas_o: When you talk of leader it has to go with quality of the person in the sphere of deliverables.
Tinubu as formal governor of Lagos state introduce most of people benefit project that other states now used to efficiently govern their people.
In Yoruba land what Tinubu is presently doing - is to create an environment where people will be seeing as normal human being.
He introduce BRT to eliminate disconnect between the reach and the poor. This is what good governance is all about, bringing the poor and the rich together, with this; people feel less superior and subsequently reduce the interest to loot.
You can’t point something good to Obj. the only thing that can be attributed to him is corruption, because his regime compliment, institutionalize and bring impunity into corruption menace.

malabite3:

I strongly disagree ώį̸̸̨ƭƕ you. Tinubu single handedly hand picked all the contestants ΐϞ the last election.wht kind of signal απϑ message did he send by that singular act? That goes a long way τ̅☺ tell you that if tinubu Iڪ given a presidential power,the whole of Nigeria will be pocketed by him

SHOLYMENT: Aahhh, mediocrity at its peak, obj never had respect for thugs...its Tinubus specialization, he embrace thugeries and even fiance them during his tenure as lagos gov...this has bin one reasons he had dispute with fashola...moreover, his political career was even built on political pandemonium. He has enslave part of southwest and only ondo state rejected his stupid offer...do u knw he is now Cahncelor in Lautech? What a mirrage? Am sorry for southwest

naptu2: Complete the following:

Tinubu

1) Lagos State Ambulance Service (Lasambus)

2) Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) system.

3) Skills acquisition centre (Tekunle, etc)

4) LASTMA, KAI and other regulatory agencies.

5) Road reconstruction (Awolowo Rd, Akin Adesola, etc)

6) City Bus (failed programme, but good idea).

7) Lagos Rail Transit (LRT) system

Obasanjo:

1) Excess crude account

2) National Integrated Power Project (IPP)

3) GSM license auction.

4) EFCC

chucky234: You cant point something good to OBJ? Did I hear that well,you must be a chronic goon to have said that.
OBJ may not be a perfect leader but he was exceptional for the 8 years he was in goverment,yes he looted public funds but not as much what Tinubu looted in Lagos and he is still looting out Lagos dry. BRT ko BRT ni,beetle-heeded goon.
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OBJ was able to polish the country image and re-establish the country to international scene after being battered and stained by the regime of Gen. Abacha.
He succeeded in winning at least some
Western support for strengthening
Nigeria's nascent democracy. Britain
and the United States, in particular,
were glad to have an African ally who
was openly critical of abuses committed
in Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe at a time when many other African nations
(including South Africa) were taking a
softer stance. Obasanjo also won
international praise for Nigeria's role in
crucial regional peacekeeping missions
in Sierra Leone and Liberia. The
international community was guided in
its approach to Obasanjo in part by
Nigeria's status as one of the world's 10 biggest oil exporters as well as by fears that, as the continent's most populous nation, Nigerian internal divisions risked negatively affecting the entire continent.
Before Obasanjo's administration
Nigeria's GDP growth had been
painfully slow since 1987, and only
managed 3% between 1999/2000.
However, under Obasanjo the growth
rate doubled to 6% until he left office,
helped in part by higher oil prices.
Nigeria's foreign reserves rose from $2
billion in 1999 to $43 billion on leaving
office in 2007. He was able to secure
debt pardons from the Paris and London club amounting to some $18 billion and paid another $18 Billion to be debt free.
Most of these loans were secured and
spent by past corrupt officials.
In 2005 the international community
gave Nigeria's government its first pass
mark for its anti-corruption efforts.
However, a growing number of critics
within Nigeria have accused Obasanjo's
government of selectively targeting his
anti-corruption drive against political
opponents and ethnic militants, ignoring growing concerns about wide-scale corruption within his own inner political circle.
Obasanjo is a member of the Africa
Progress Panel (APP), a group of ten
distinguished individuals who advocate
at the highest levels for equitable and
sustainable development in Africa.
Every year, the Panel releases a report,
the Africa Progress Report, that outlines an issue of immediate importance to the continent and suggests a set of associated policies. In 2012, the Africa Progress Report highlighted issues of Jobs, Justice, and Equity.
The 2013 report will outline issues relating to oil, gas, and mining in Africa.
Obasanjo was recently appointed
Special Envoy by UN Secretary General
Ban Ki-Moon to the war-torn Democratic Republic of the Congo. He has held separate meetings with DRC President Joseph Kabila and rebel leader Laurent Nkunda.
In the first place,
Obasanjo harps on his economic
programmes that he never forgets to
proclaim are the only hope for Nigeria’s future. These programmes in one instance have led to the transformation of the banking sector and the consolidation of Nigerian banks. Now there are twenty five banks all with at least a N25 billion liquid asset base.
It was also under his regime that
Nigeria became a beneficiary of the debt relief packages from the Paris and
London clubs. These packages ensure
that the heavy financial burden that the
Nigerian state bears at its yearly
budgets to service debts from past
governments is relieved. For the
payment of $12 billion of the principal,
Nigeria is forgiven its debts totaling $32 billion. This actually translates into a cancellation of the money owed to
governments and agencies in the West.
A plausible stimulant for this
arrangement is the recognition by the
West that if Africa continues to fall
behind in the human development
indices, new ideologies hostile to the
west and even civilization as we know it
could increasingly find breeding ground.
The situation across much of Africa
requires the intervention on multiple
formats by the West if portions of the
globe are not to be left open for
ideologies whose only modern
instruments are modern weapons.
Besides, the impact of the growth in
Asia and Latin America provides
convincing evidence that investment
capital is the seed for economic growth
which in turn goes a long way in
producing stable societies. With debt
relief and economic aid, key ingredients
are released to aid Nigeria as she
strives for economic growth.

Yoola2007:

You seems to be partial in this your submission .....what about 1) Banking Reforms 2) Payment of outstanding World bank Loan 3) Use of square peg in a square hole for the first time in Nigeria History at the federal executive council level ....it will highly be unfair to compare both leaders even in south west OBASANJO is still more respected and appreciated than TINUBU that has been trying hard to undermine Awolowo dynasty in Yorubaland.

OBASANJO is still more respected and appreciated than TINUBU that has been trying hard to undermine Awolowo dynasty in Yorubaland.

mindyourword: THEY ARE INCOMPARABLE, LET TINUBU GO TO PRISON AND COME BACK, LET HIM
JOIN NIGERIAN ARMY, LET HIM PLAN COUP AND BE SUCCESSFUL, LET HIM HAND
OVER MILLITARY GOVERNMENT TO THE CIVILIAN, LET HIM GO TO SCHOOL OF JUMATU
AL ISLAM SCHOOL OF MISSIONARY AND LET HIM RULE THIS COUNTRY BEFORE WE START
COMPARISM. TINUBU IS MILLITANT BUT NOT MORE THAN OBJ. LET TINUBU GET TO 80YEARS
OLD BEFORE THE COMPARISM.MY PEOPLE THE ANTECEDENT OF OBJ OVERWHELM TINUBU'S
ANTECEDENT.

mindyourword: THEY ARE INCOMPARABLE, LET TINUBU GO TO PRISON AND COME BACK, LET HIM
JOIN NIGERIAN ARMY, LET HIM PLAN COUP AND BE SUCCESSFUL, LET HIM HAND
OVER MILLITARY GOVERNMENT TO THE CIVILIAN, LET HIM GO TO SCHOOL OF JUMATU
AL ISLAM SCHOOL OF MISSIONARY AND LET HIM RULE THIS COUNTRY BEFORE WE START
COMPARISM. TINUBU IS MILLITANT BUT NOT MORE THAN OBJ. LET TINUBU GET TO 80YEARS
OLD BEFORE THE COMPARISM.MY PEOPLE THE ANTECEDENT OF OBJ OVERWHELM TINUBU'S
ANTECEDENT.