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Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 4:38am On Mar 05, 2013 |
coogar: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Reality Whinny baby! If you can't get a joy creat one cry baby. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by InvertedHammer: 4:42am On Mar 05, 2013 |
If you want to make money in Nigeria, you have to go at it the hard way. You can go into importation of goods..but I will leave the wahala on that for another day. The best approach is to buy heavy equipment for service delivery. For example, borehole drilling machine, asphalt paver, roller, block-moulding machines. Once you have these in place, then you can put your hustle on. Hustling in Nigeria with your certificate only will not cut it. You can even buy a small passenger bus to guarantee daily bread while you hustle your way through. No how, no how..you are sure you will get money for recharge card, feeding and minor expenses while you wait for the real hammer. Eg. if daily return on your bus is N2000/day. That is N12,000/week = N48,000/month (all things being equal--driver )). This should sustain you while you learn the terrain. If not, frustration alone will deny you the job. Abi, you no know say frustration dey show for face? Liaise with government and local contractors and be a subcontractor, if need be. You will never worry about money again. MY POINT: Don't venture into Nigeria for business unless you have some alternative means of income (no matter how small) to keep body and soul together. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by CyberG: 5:26am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Some foolis.h Nigerians, in fact a lot of stoopid Nigerians vote for a retarded president and then come to complain that the unemployment rate is high, there is little to no opportunity for them to move forward without connections, etc. You lot haven't seen anything yet...keep voting for tribe and religionism, until your lives become no better than that of a slave in his own land in the midst of plenty. 2 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 5:27am On Mar 05, 2013 |
I do not understand nigerians who spend so much money to get a foreign degree only to return to the failure that is nigeria. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Burger01(m): 5:49am On Mar 05, 2013 |
@OP, permit me to ask, in what course did you obtain your certificate, catering? I got a foreign certificate from uk and it sure did me good in naija before I started a biz of my own... Don't underplay the essence of acquiring foreign qualifications...not just foreign qualifications but in a goood course and fairly good grade.. 3 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by stansmart(m): 5:51am On Mar 05, 2013 |
The problem with 9ja is dere r few jobs that require expertise, its either u r implementing a solution or operating a machine. even the mtn's ,shell,mobil its all the same no real expertise. The experts are in USA and co design solutions and all the 9ja worker is doing is implementation ,9ja is not an industrialized country and unfortunately big companies dont invest in 9ja. The implication is an OND holder can do what ever a PHD holder can do. As regards to foreign degrees, i was working in MTN and had admission to a school in the USA for msc, people really discouraged me from going for the foreign degree saying 'a bird in hand is worth more than a million in the bush' but i followed my heart, resigned and went for the degree and never regretted. I finished and got top offers beyond my imagination. There is nothing like quality education, OP if u really had a good degree u wud soon reap the benefits. 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Godogwu: 6:03am On Mar 05, 2013 |
davidylan: I do not understand nigerians who spend so much money to get a foreign degree only to return to the failure that is nigeria. Well that's your very shallow minded opinion. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 6:05am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Godogwu: well of course your parents are rich (perhaps through oil/government contracts) and connected so you would have no problem with nigeria. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by johhnnie(m): 6:15am On Mar 05, 2013 |
coogar: |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by nitlad: 6:15am On Mar 05, 2013 |
[size=50pt]Education is overrated[/size] - that's all! |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by InvertedHammer: 6:18am On Mar 05, 2013 |
For a grossly overpopulated country, there is no reason why the government should allow expatriates to take positions that Nigerians could competently do. Blame your government (if there is any) Try getting jobs in Indonesia, China or India as an expatriate |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by nitlad: 6:19am On Mar 05, 2013 |
[size=50pt]........ be ready to get dirty to make a living here.[/size] 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Godogwu: 6:30am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Anyone can always write a sob story to pull a specific crowd. There are thousands of success stories with respect to people gaining degrees from foreign institutions and deciding to work in Nigeria. My cousins who graduated not to long ago (2011, 2012) all have good/modest jobs. P.S all of them schooled outside the country. Secondly it depends on what exactly you studied, wherever you studied. You don't study public speaking or sociology and expect to get a job at once you step your foot back into the country. There are careers in high demand in Nigeria and there are careers that are of less demand also. Then again how well did you do in that degree, you really don't expect a company to hire you with a third class when there are second class and first class applicants queing for that same position no? Finally, I won't despute the fact that there are people who labored hard through school who are jobless, obviously there are but that's a factor in every part of the world. I won't also say favoritism is non-existent, well if I own a company I'd rather hire my nephew over any stranger even though they have thesame qualification and all. That being said, i personally believe there are lots and lots of enterprenueral opportunities in Nigeria... You cannot always rely on the FG to hand over jobs to every graduate out there (even the ones that don't merit it).. Go out and do something for yourself rather than lament on a forum. 2 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Jarus(m): 6:33am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Rhino.5dm:1, Remove his name from your post. 2, Did he get Shell offer by knowing someone? Yes or No. 3, He was never a Total trainee. Never on Total payroll. He was only a Total scholar. Got - thru merit again - Total scholarship for his Msc in PTI, PH. And he started his Shell process before he got his Msc cert. So I don't know the 'experience' in Total you are talking about. On Mobil, you can see I have not mentioned Mobil in my examples because I also notice some crookedness in its recruitment. But Shell, Chevron and a good number of other IOCs are largely merit-driven, believe it or not. I can list 10 names that got Shell and Chevron offers on merit. Of course, NNPC and DPR, being government-run, is understandably crooked. I have never stuck my neck out for those. Even at that, people get jobs there without knowing anybody. This same guy in question got NNPC offer last year, but rejected for Oando, while waiting on Shell. 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by nitlad: 6:34am On Mar 05, 2013 |
[size=50pt]..........Nigeria - We are not bad people, [s]but our government is peopled by bad citizens.[/s][/size] Only that these "bad citizens" in government rose from among the people that are "not bad" Governance must be a wicked sorcerer, for it to have been consistently turning people that are not bad into bad citizens once they get into it since God knows when. 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by frankobaba(m): 6:37am On Mar 05, 2013 |
[color=#000099][/color] So sad... This story surely reminds me of a friend who finished from the University of Hudders field with an MBA and then returned back to 9ja only to land himself with a marketing job for N25,000 per month... Indeed he was dissapointed....but at the end favour smiled at him....now he's a BIG Boy. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Godogwu: 6:41am On Mar 05, 2013 |
davidylan: That's a silly thing some people tell themselves... Education is a great tool to success anywhere in the world. I never said there are no problems with Nigeria, did i?.... Stop looking at Nigeria from just your perspective, rather rely on facts. I'm in school at the moment even if my parents are whatever. I have friends who really don't have to work a day in their lives... Parents own yatchs, never flown economy and shi like that..... Like the money is that much, but still they go to school. Education is a tool to success in any part of the world just like I've said before. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by nitlad: 6:46am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Olodostein: Until we fundamentally change our value system. Insanity continues.Wa gbayi That is the crux of the matter! |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by pufectskin: 7:04am On Mar 05, 2013 |
HEy! Wats up. Just got bck too about a year now. Let's hook up. mygirrl: I completely agree with the poster, I came back like 5 months ago after all the promises i'm yet to find a job, despite the fact that i worked for 2 years before coming back. I find it insulting that companies want to take me as a fresher (when i graduated close to six years ago). I know what is inside my head and i strongly believe that if given a chance i can make a difference but its Nigeria we are talking about. I have already made up my mind to start up something small and see how far it can grow by the grace of God. I don't blame many Nigerians abroad for refusing to come back. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by DonaldGenes(m): 7:10am On Mar 05, 2013 |
he person interviewing you probably did long distance degree at Maiduguri Polytechnic [/quote] Lmao00000000000 hard so tehhhhh I have to poo for my boxer |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by nitlad: 7:11am On Mar 05, 2013 |
LastApostle: OP, did they not taught you short hand at Cambridge?Product of a failed system of education!!!!!!!! |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by obi2012: 7:41am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Obviously, you dont go for a foreign degree to come back and work for someone in Nigeria.. Especially if you are looking at it from a immediate return on your investment point of view.. You also dont go abroad to study and return home with no experience at all in this economy.. Most multi-national jobs you look for you can attain such interviews with a nigerian degree so why go abroad if you know your intentions are to come back and work for the same company? Your goals could have been achieved by spending less money.. There are only so many jobs with so much talent struggling for the few available spots and the economy going bad in the western world, tons of people in diaspora and foreigners are coming back to compete for the few available posts.. Everyone keeps thinking about oil and working for telecoms, aren't there other industries? i would consider myself one of the lucky few.. right out of secondary school, my parents sent me to the states to school not so that i could come back and work for anyone but so that i could stay out of trouble and graduate on time.. my bachelors and masters in engineering cost about $130,000 not counting living expenses at the time when i graduated in 2004.. Would it make sense for me to come back home to look for a high paying job? No.. My wife spent $300,000 in student loans and 7 years to get her medical degree and qualify as a doctor in the states, would it make sense for her to come back home to look for a job? No Ever since 2008, regardless of where you go, things are tough.. You cant put all your eggs in one basket.. I work in project management for a fortune 500 firm now and make the equivalent of my school fees in a year and my wife does fairly well but does that make me feel secure or feel i am entitled to anything? No.. Instead, i diversify myself into doing everything to make extra cash on the side.. I dont live like a big man who has arrived, i do others things on the side to prepare for a rainy day.. I co-own a car dealership, i import commodities from nigeria, i setup networks for small businesses and also do IT support for them because no one knows tomorrow, no matter how qualified you are, your employment is not guaranteed.. Foreign degree or not, we need to lose our sense of entitlement.. Company owners dont owe us anything.. Do what you need to do to improve yourself.. Specialize in something, make yourself stand out.. Do something where employes seek you out and if you cant find employment, create your own employment. Not every business requires tons of capital.. Think outside the box, no one owes you anything because you have a foreign degree.. Your foreign degree is meant to train you to think outside the box and add value to your society.. Everyone keeps telling me to come home and that i would find a job easily with all the big name companies i have worked for and my years of experience but frankly i really dont put any faith in that, i doubt any company would be able to match my pay here besides if i am moving back home, it would be to identify opportunities and create jobs not to hope for a job that might never pan out.. 10 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by ThoniaSlim(f): 7:48am On Mar 05, 2013 |
I still believe you can get a job based on merit. A lot of foreign graduates think because you graduated from a foreign university that's a free ticket to getting a job even when you graduated with a pass/third class. I graduated in January came back first week of February and I'm due to resume work this week. Mind you, it was based on merit and not whom I knew because I just sent out an application and I was called for an interview. I haven't even gone for NYSC yet. I believe in building your experience and being engaged while you chase bigger fishes like Multinationals. So even if you get a job with a smaller company that is offering you a 100k a month, do not put your nose up in the air or look down at it because that could be your ticket to getting something bigger. It contributes to making you more marketable to bigger companies. I think a lot graduates underestimate the power of experience. If a 100 graduates are applying for a single position, and they all have the same qualifications, what do you think would be the next criteria for evaluating whom to pick for job? 3 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by hustla(m): 8:06am On Mar 05, 2013 |
but seriously oooo, I wonder why i would spend over 7-9million on Msc when i can buy one trailer and some cabs and do business with them...Wont have to beg oyinbo man for visa,wont live in a racist country,wont have to look for jobs when i come back and all that bs.. The money gotten from that in a year can be used to start palm kernel business and pure water business...Ppl in the above listed businesses make at least 200k every month...if i combine these businesses together...you do the math. imagine importing or starting all this.phone business,blackberry and co with 7million naira..go to Nairaland's tech market,OLX and co and see how many phones are sold there daily.. Ask Tumababa,Initialize,Prince.of Illorin and co.. Nigeria is a very easy country if only we can look beyond our noses that education isnt everything. just my own two cents.... btwn i never start my own business...una go hear when i start 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Fuelish: 8:08am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Mr knowitall.:LOL shameless people.the same Ghana you villify on nl?op,forget about Ghana.just an advice. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Jarus(m): 8:08am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Guys shoudl get me right. I'm not saying connection is not rampant, I'm only saying there is still merit too. If a Shell wants to fill 10 positions, I can bet that 8 or 9 out of it would be drawn from merit. Maybe 1 or 2 from the connected people. You can also compete for the 8-9 spots. Even in an organization as rotten as NNPC, in 10 vacancies, I'm almost certain that 5 would be filled on merit, the other 5 from letters from Diezani, Senators etc. It restricts chances, but you can also compete for the few merit-based spots. This is why I like to build hope in job seekers, not scaring them with this connection mentality. 5 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by egberipops(m): 8:18am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Zzyzx92: Abeg mk the op go sleep jare were him go sleep abi u no understand say him no get job? abi mak im com sleep 4 ur bed |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by toprealman: 8:19am On Mar 05, 2013 |
blackmann: [b]Bro, don't feel sad or upset about it. I was in your shoes too. I came to the USA to get a masters degree in my field(Computer Science) hoping that when I finally go back to naija, i will get a very good job somewhere. Imagine my dismay when after a whole year, I didn't get anything. Everyone was like come back today, come back tomorrow,, we are not employing, blah blah blah. Even at one place i had an interview, the guy saw my Degree certificate and my CV, and the first thing he asked me was - "Are u sure this your Masters is not an online degree?". I wanted to yank him by his stupid afro and tear out a few hairs. At the end of the day the stupid company told me if they are going to employ me, they cannot pay me more than 70k. i told them to take their job and shove it where the sun don't shine. After a while i just decided to pack myself and my newly wedded wife and head back here. Easier said than done. You headed back to the US but you suggest he Turns to a CEO here in naija just like that.....a wise man you really are, aren't you? I am happy that I can make a rational decision when it matters most. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by muami(m): 8:22am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Something seems fishy here. This article was first written in May 2012. Now the writer is publishing it again in March 2013 as if its contents are new. In any event, if the writer really was in the UK, he should know that even in the UK and most Western countries, jobs are difficult to get. If it was easy, he would not have returned. Point is: at the moment nowhere is easy, not the UK, not Nigeria. http://saharareporters.com/article/relocating-nigeria-jon-chikadibie-okafo |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Deco007: 8:24am On Mar 05, 2013 |
How many days u type this i need the summarise or else:-D |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Rhino5dm: 8:25am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Jarus: Done with the name thing. In all, I just wanted to make a point that merits is fast fading away like the dummy cloud. Like I said earlier, it's easier to move from one company to another when you have some degree or level of experience. The problem is at entry level, and if the entry level recruitment is bad, then we can safely conclude that everything is bad. How can one get the required experience if the selection process was based on "who you know"? It means the cycle of employment will keep revolving around those with "giant foot"! The HR guys in various MNC's usually make available the test questions and solutions to their cronies ahead of the examination date and there by undermining the process. I can vouch for chevron alone for now, but shell? Those guys are pretenders. Lemme do away with the name calling here, there was this guy(a friend with degree in geology from Delta) that applied for a position in shell and didn't even qualify for that position, so he was not shortlisted. . . .He contacted his towns man from Delta State, a senior manager in shell and the manager gave him a condition of marrying his daughter in return for the job offer. . .Fast forward, he got the job and married the girl( very black, ugly and short thing like that). If MNC's are microcosm of Nigeria, why then do we expect them to be immune from corruption and nepotism? |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Kells677(m): 8:35am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Sory bro if u dnt mind i can share my garri wit dettol wit u if we dnt tk kia of our slf wu will |
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