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Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Jarus(m): 1:42pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Bagehot: Allow me to drop my 2 cents on this foreign degrees debate. In my present organization, we bought into this obodo oyinbo craze during the boom years of banking and ended up making a lot of terrible recruitment errors (a vast majority of our foreign-degree hires were largely either incompetent,over-paid - often both). More than anything, we learnt to take foreign degrees only at face value - in the end, on the job competence boils down to the individual; no amount of foreign accents or "OMG" gesticulations would change this. Great post, only lowpoint being you were a little harsh on foreign-trained in the bolded. Can we start discussion on the 'role of networking/informal recommendations/poaching' side by side in this thread? That's another interesting subject I enjoy discussing. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Jarus(m): 1:43pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Donxavier:LMAO |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by salt1: 1:44pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Just to lift the mood of those that find all these depressing: I've changed job four times without knowing anybody. I think where the nepotism thing is more noticed is with government agencies. If you manage to find your way into international NGOs, you will see that experience and integrity (not necessarily paper qualifications) will keep opening more doors for you. I still think that job opportunities should be driven by the private sector. Government should create enabling environments (roads, light and security) so that brains like the ops can use their training to create jobs 3 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Krucifax(m): 1:49pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
mrkoma2012: @op Na wah oo. You must be using Juju No be you say you want start pure water bizness few months ago for ya papa house?? 3 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by potentpraise: 1:50pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Interesting when you see Nigeria youths pouring there concern about looking for job. Education these days is a total financial waste if the meal ticket can not get you a meal. If you go abroad to spend 7million on Education and some even more and at the end of the day, you are looking to be hired and now disappointed that there is no Job, i guess you are born to be slave. There are many Nigerians not to talk about many Americans that are on the billionaire list that barely have undergraduate degree. Many of them knew that they would be wasting their time and resources to stay under someone for 3 hours a week class and at the end of the day accumulating grades that can not guarantee you a work not to talk of getting you job in your chosen field. But the sad news is that this is a global mistake that university degree provides wealth, because the people that controls the billions are contented with high school degree and make use of it to generate billions. That being said, what happens to collaboration, partnership, working with two or more youths that bring in capital to go into business? If a bank fail to learn money, and 10 people bring in $10,000 each that is $100,000 why can't we do it together and succeed than doing it individually and we all fail? I guess many youths that talk about their fathers in politics are corrupt can not trust themselves, because they breed in the system. Let us be sincere, if they don't learn to work together to either focus on entrepreneur or find a way to send their fathers in politics away, who do not care if they die of hunger we will forever be enslaved by the foreign countries we run to all in the name of greener pasture or eduction. Its easy for all of us to go against a government, but the moment one of us get an offer with government in power, we quickly disassociate ourselves from those people and then call them jobless people. I can not but be so disappointed and pained when i see how Nigerians suffer both home and abroad. Sometime i just cant comprehend it. We all have our share of blames, if truth be told. Sometime one could say as black as our skin so black our brain and thinking ability to do good. We strive well when we mix with the white skin and fail totally when we are around the black our pears. I wonder why the Islamic country could do it better, they send their children abroad with scholarship and when they return, job is on standby for them. However, some of our fathers that make use of Nigeria wealth to study abroad on scholarship came back and make scholarship difficult for ordinary Nigeria but could still navigate scholarship for their generation unborn despite their stolen wealth. Let the youth decide on our future, and not by one government, because jonathan can only apply animal governance on human government. 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Jarus(m): 1:52pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
I don't have any issue with foreign qualifications (after all, I'm also currently pursuing one), but I don't think we should think because we have foreign certificates (even from the best of schools) we shouldn't compete with locally-trained folks. Let every qualified ones compete and the employers choose the ones he finds most convincing in the selection process. Yes, we know the educational system there is better, but you have to prove to me the effect of that good system on you as a person by doing well in the selection process ahead of those trained in the bad system we have here. That's my take. It shouldn't be automatic. 2 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by MsNas(f): 1:57pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
black_beau: Truth be say your village people are involved. Because people with foreign certificate are usually first choice in any employment situation Says who? Even if you went to a non accreditted Foreign school and majored in a course that can only make people sigh and wonder what was going through your head when you applied? |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 1:57pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Donxavier: Sure, you do not need a degree to run a business, but what I find is that those who don't have higher education training, who venture into business, tend to be stuck in one stage throughout their business lifecycle. They rarely grow into big enterprises. This is because they lack the vital knowledge required to take the business to the next level, with management, strategy, human resource issues, all addressed (if at all) on an ad-hoc basis. A good management or business strategy degree at the helm can make the difference between your company ending up a small time affair, or ending up as the next Oando. As for employment, I still maintain that one ought to be able to create employment for oneself on the strength of what they've learnt on a Masters programme. One can always brush up their entrepreneural skills with a short course in business management and strategy. Knowledge about how to access capital is also one that should be learned as part of/or together with, any higher degree programme. There isn't really a shortage of lending capital out there. It's all about packaging your idea properly, getting a few experienced hands on your board, getting a fabulous business plan, and pushing it to the right people/institutions/investors. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Jarus(m): 1:58pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
potentpraise: Interesting when you see Nigeria youths pouring there concern about looking for job. Education this days is a total financial waste if the meal ticket can not get you a meal. If you go abroad to spend 7million on Education and some even more and at the end of the day, you are looking to be hired and now disappointed that there is no Job, i guess you are born to be slave. Making billions is not the ultimate goal of everybody, mind you. A lot of people are comfortable with a decent job, decent private savings and investment. School guarantees you that more. If I rise through my 'salaried job' to become a GM or ED in a bank, I don't think I wont live a comfortable life, send my children to best of schools, have a couple of houses and decent side businesses. I don't need to be a Bill Gate or Adenuga. 3 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by pimplucious: 1:59pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Oh, Wow! I thought I was the only one going through this. Ive already given up cuz I thought my village pple are behind my unemployment ordeal It will be 1yr in May since ive been in Nigeria with no job after doing a maters course in United Kingdom. But the irony of all this is that, ive been surviving ever since and loving it. I wouldn’t survive 4 months without a job in the UK… abeg no place like home although its not always so homely. Ak 'say' that! |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 2:03pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Slant77: Yea, it's quite easy to just accept that "there are no good jobs out there", but the thing is it depend on you.infact, don't bother wearing that sharp Italian suit as well. it may work against the applicant. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 2:04pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Jarus: Help me tell am o. Must I be bill gates or Dangote? Most of these drop outs or so called drop outs all came from rich homes that had enough money to put into businesses. People just dey yarn opata... Be like Dangote or Adenuga my a.s.s |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Slant77: 2:04pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Krucifax: Guy! Abeg, no let make my oga see me they laff for work joor. you're just too wicked & badt at thesame time Choi!! |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by flexyonline: 2:05pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
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Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by flexyonline: 2:06pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
mba emeka: @Oga Jarus, Guy the recruitment exercise I talked about earlier was this same one by Chevron for petroleum engineers. Look at what I wrote, how can you say they employed their brothers. You just have a defeatist attitude. You're a loser at the bottom of your heart. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 2:07pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
coogar: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Realitytry make things brief. feel lazy to read these days |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by AjanleKoko: 2:08pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Krucifax: Na wa for Nairaland |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Slant77: 2:11pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
saxywale: why not, if u're looking to resume as the Corporate Affairs Director But if u're looking for entry level good paying job, dress for just that |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Jarus(m): 2:13pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
ngoziliz: try make things brief. feel lazy to read these days And if you fail interview due to narrow-mindedness (not reading valuable writings), you will say na your village witches dey follow u 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by potentpraise: 2:16pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Jarus: Of course you don't have to be Adenuga, neither is it possible for you to rise through a company to become a GM without being thrown out once they see that you are living a life style that look a little comfortable. If you aim a little high, you could eventually own your own company. To rise in any Nigeria company to GM, you will either be the owner relatives or family friend. Becoming a Director could be easy with government Job, either way, you still need to do some politics. So you can either take the bull by the horn and start a company that you can grow and become the group chairman or play politics while trying to be GM. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 2:16pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Jarus:lol...hey jarus, howdy? |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by potentpraise: 2:21pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Donxavier: You are all missing the important point, which is: it is ridiculous to pay 7 million for a meal ticket and can't even get meal for one day with it. Why wouldn't you use the 7million to invest in a business that could make you get to the echelon of success where you do not need to have your toe shoe begging for attention. When you aim high, you might not get there, but it get you much farther from poverty, than when you aim low 2 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 2:30pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
potentpraise: Because the 7 million can easily be squandered away running your so called business or making the so called investments. It's you that don't get it. How many successful businesses are out there? shey cos Forbes celebrates the successful once and nothing gets said about the failures. Maybe you should Google the failure rate of most start ups. And look up how many start ups make the transition from 'The Facebook' to Facebook. Look it's not about starting a business, you need to be cut off for the whole nine yards( the whole ordeal). 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by potentpraise: 2:36pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Donxavier: As far as i know the number of unemployed is far more than the number of business owner that failed. As a matter of fact its another entrepreneurial failure to go to school and not get job or do something with the meal ticket. So what are we talking about? |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Jarus(m): 2:38pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
potentpraise: WTF, now this is annoying. Each bank has between 10-15 GMs. Are you saying all of them know the bank owners? I know people who are GMs in banks today, whose career I followed very well. Now, don't let me name names. Got a brother that is a DGM in a bank that starts with S, our family no sabi anybody. This is somebody whose career I followed from secondary school. Very brilliant and ambitious dude. Know guys that are GM or DGM in Access, etc. I'm not ruling out politics outright, but it is most ridiculous to say you can't become a GM or even ED without being family/relative of owner. And why would a bank throw a GM out because he is living comfortably? Even banks take pride in their guys being 'good looking' (not necessarily ostentatious) - a plus to their brand. I don't work and have never worked in a bank but I don't expect a GM to earn less than N30m per annum. For someone that must have worked for at least 15 years before rising to become a GM and currently earning N30m/pa (not to talk of access to loans etc), you think he won't live comfortably? 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by dstranger: 2:40pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
coogar:Honestly bro. You must crooked, dubious and dishonest to adapt in the Nigerian environment. Ethics and Good morals have been thrown outside the window. Its mediocrity and Nepotism all the way |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 2:43pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Booty4me: Whats d op blabbinq b0ut? Meanwile 5th 2 commentu still carry this ur first or second to comment issue enter new-year,I think say I hear say one pastor don give u deliverance from the sickness wey dey do u |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by coogar: 2:54pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Jarus: I don't have any issue with foreign qualifications (after all, I'm also currently pursuing one), but I don't think we should think because we have foreign certificates (even from the best of schools) we shouldn't compete with locally-trained folks. Let every qualified ones compete and the employers choose the ones he finds most convincing in the selection process. the question remains - will the employers select based on merits or nepotism? you know - those letter-headed papers from the nigerian senate house instructing the human resources manager to choose aisha that studied physical education over you in an energy group company?
it's never automatic - the selection process is flawed in my opinion! those evil employers want their palms rubbed before one gets a decent shot at landing a dream job. i know some got there on merits but what's the percentage? |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Rhino5dm: 2:59pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Jarus: |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Cultured(m): 3:06pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Not until folks realized that there is difference between being educated ( formally/informally educated and informed ) and being a paper/certificate holder ( formally educated but uninformed ), would we make progress in this great country of ours. Having a degree ( foreign or local ) is not a proof of intelligence . We do not need uninformed people , but educated and informed people to make progress on individual basis ,in corporations and in transforming our great country at large . To me, the OP sound formally educated but uninformed, a person of such has no chance in my company . Besides , self-education is the best form of education any one who wishes to become great should be longing for , " formal education will earn you a living , while self-education will earn you fortunes". 3 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by jidewin(m): 3:11pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
potentpraise:Gbam..finish and klaar |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 3:15pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
d_stranger: Honestly bro. You must crooked, dubious and dishonest to adapt in the Nigerian environment. This is the truth. Ethics had been thrown out since my father's generation . Most of our fathers lost their jobs for not willing to allow corruption to brew under their watch in the 80's/90's and they paid dearly for it. We all know the dynamics of 'business' in Nigeria. I even have some in my family . They are 'succeeding' quite alright. |
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