Kaycee7: Please go on

naijadeyhia: FACT: Catholics are taught to call their priest, "Father", as a religious title of respect. Christians in the first century never called their leaders, "father". This first happened hundreds of years later.

"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. Matthew 23:9

naijadeyhia:


How the Catholic church views the Bible

Below are the kinds of replies you can expect from a Roman Catholic priest if you ask him about the contents of the Bible.

Yes I know Matthew 23:9, seems to condemn calling me "Father", but you are not able to understand the Bible like I do.
Yes I know is appears like Jesus condemned the repetitive prayer of the Rosary beads in Matthew 6:7, but Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD and revealed to him the Rosary Beads herself!
Yes Matthew 13:55-56 seems to indicate that Jesus had brothers and sisters, but these were the children of Joseph from a previous marriage or just cousins.
Yes, I agree that 1 Timothy 2:5 sounds like Jesus is the only mediator between god and man, but the Pope decided she was indeed also a mediator between God and man

Sal C: If you have no reasonable thing to say, I advice you go to sleep instead of staying awake writing thrash.

bukatyne:

Nobody created the Bible.

It was Catholics that said Mary was alive because her death was not recorded in the Bible.

I ask: If Mary died a virgin, what happened to her marriage with Joseph?

bukatyne:

What of John the Beloved, Jesus loved Him that he was called 'the Beloved.' Won't he intercede better?

Lol!

St.Ola:


I don't recall any Catholic saying only Mary has the power to intercede. All saints intercede for our sake.

Then someone saying his interceding pastor is alive and Mary is dead? Comparing a pastor alive to sin in the world to saints in heaven

naijadeyhia: [b]If the Bible is a Catholic book,

1. Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6).
2. Why does it teach against the adoration of Mary? (Luke 11:27-28).
3. Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9).
4. Why does it condemn the observance of special days? (Gal. 4:9-11).
5. Why does it teach that all Christians are saints? (1 Cor. 1:2).
6. Why does it condemn the making and adoration of images? (Ex. 20:4-5).
7. Why does it teach that baptism is immersion instead of pouring? (Col. 2:12).
8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9).
9. Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11).
10. Why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5).
11. Why does it teach that a bishop must be a married man? (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5).
12. Why is it opposed to the primacy of Peter? (Luke 22:24-27).
13. Why does it oppose the idea of purgatory? (Luke 16:26).
14. Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, instrumental music in worship, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other things in the Catholic Church?[/b]

READ UP BOY!

St.Ola:


Firstly, I would ask you, who or what describes/decides what is scripture. Did Paul term his letters scripture or was it the church leaders after him who did?

Secondly, Paul describes a bishop as married to 1 woman as opposed to many, not as opposed to being celibate which Paul was and even encouraged. Marriage was never a condition to assume the role of bishop, rather not being polygamous was.

Thirdly, condemnation was made for the observance of Jewish law by way of its ordinances and holy days. No prohibition was made concerning ordinances that reinforce Christianity, rather the condemnations were to protect gentile Christians from the overbearing nature of Jewish Christians with celebrations that had become irrelevant with the advent of the new covenant.

Fourthly, Baptism as described by Christ was of water and holy spirit. I see no compulsory immersion in the definition. So if immersion provides water contact and pouring also provide water contact, then baptism has occurred.

5. Must it be recorded in the books made scripture by the church, before instrumental music is allowed? David play the harp, he wasn't deemed demonic.

6. Christ's sole mission was to reconcile man to God. After his resurrection, as his parting gift to the Apostles even after promising them the holy spirit, he gave them the power to forgive sins.

7. The origins of the rosary is well known. Are you saying it must have been noted in the scripture that the rosary will be revealed to whom it was, when it was? Or are you saying no revelation must come the way of mankind anymore if not foretold in scripture?

8. The Mass is a worship service that integrates the liturgy of the word and the liturgy of the Eucharist. What is wrong with the Mass? Christ said, "Do this in remembrance of me". It was reiterated by Paul that it should be done as often as we meet. So what is your problem with the Eucharist/Mass?

9. The primacy of Peter is only debated by people who have nothing better to do with time. Why you choose to question the decision of Christ reeks of heresy.

10. Only those Christians who have died in a state of grace are saints. Not Christians living in a wicked and adulterous world.

Lastly, what exactly is your arguement over the origin of the bible? The church compiled the bible, the church wrote the New Testament. The church documented the ministry of Christ, the church wrote letters, the church decided what is scripture or not, the church compiled what it had and what the Jews/Hebrew already had and made it 1book.

The church is Catholic and Apostolic!

naijadeyhia:


Ironically i have read the 7 other books and already they had one thing in common, contradictions and fallacies. Plus my bible tells me that all scripture is inspired by God.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
King James Version (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

naijadeyhia:

[b]Nobody is condemning anybody. What we are doing is reproofing, correcting and instructing unto righteousness according to 2nd Timothy 3:16. If you do not clearly find something in the scriptures and you see it being practiced in your local church will you not question it or will you just go with the flow?

My counsel to my catholic brethren is that you get the holy spirit and then with the help of the holy spirit, study the word of God and ask for revelation from the word and allow the Holy spirit to teach you all truth because that is why Christ has given us the Holy spirit.

John 16:13-16
King James Version (KJV)
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me (NOT THE CHURCH, NOT MARY, NOT THE POPE, NOT SAINTS): for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.



Revelation 18:1-24 (THIS IS A DECLARATION ABOUT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH) BABYLON REFERS TO ROME
King James Version (KJV)
18 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.[/b]

naijadeyhia:


CONFUSION ALL THE WAY! I WILL JUST PICK ONE OUT OF ALL YOU SAID AND IF YOU ANSWER IT CORRECTLY THEN YOU HAVE WON THIS ARGUMENT.

ARE PRIESTS MANDATED TO BE SINGLE OR CAN THEY CHOOSE TO GET MARRIED IF THEY SO DESIRE?
LET ME REPHRASE THE QUESTION IN CASE YOU SAY YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, CAN A MARRIED MAN BECOME A PRIEST IN THE CATHOLIC FOLD?

WITH BIBLICAL REFERENCE SHOW ME WHERE IS STATES THAT A PRIEST MUST NOT BE MARRIED

[b]THE ORIGIN OF THE ROSARY IS ONLY KNOWN AND ACCEPTED TO CATHOLICS SAME WAY THE ORIGIN OF THE TASBIH KNOW AND ACCEPTED BY MUSLIMS.

IF ONLY THE DEAD CHRISTIANS ARE SAINTS THEN THIS MEANS THAT THE WORD OF GOD IS A LIE AS YOUR CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRYING TO IMPLY THAT GOD LIES AND THEY HOLD THE TRUTH BUT MY BIBLE STATES THAT LET ALL MEN BE LIARS AND LET GOD BE TRUE. PLEASE READ BELOW:


"To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours" 1 Corinthians 1:2

"Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus" Ephesians 1:1

"Paul and Timothy, bond-servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, including the overseers and deacons" Philippians 1:1


"to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 1:7[/b]

YOU SPEAK OF THE MASS. ALLOW ME TO ASK YOU, DO YOU DRINK OF THE BLOOD OF CHRIST AS A CATHOLIC OR DO YOU JUST EAT THE LEAVENED BREAD AS THE BODY OF CHRIST?

ARE MERE CATHOLICS ALLOWED TO DRINK THE BLOOD OR JUST THE PRIESTS DO?


[b]To the whole church in Corinth: "in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup." 1 Corinthians 11:28

"While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is My body." And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28

"For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me." In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup." 1 Corinthians 11:23-28[/b]

naijadeyhia:


[b]Exodus 20:3 - Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Exodus 20:4-5 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
5 - Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;


Acts 17:29 - Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.


Leviticus 26:1 - Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up [any] image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I [am] the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 4:16-19 - 16 Lest ye corrupt [yourselves], and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
17 The likeness of any beast that [is] on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,
18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:
19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.[/b]

naijadeyhia:


CONFUSION ALL THE WAY! I WILL JUST PICK ONE OUT OF ALL YOU SAID AND IF YOU ANSWER IT CORRECTLY THEN YOU HAVE WON THIS ARGUMENT.

ARE PRIESTS MANDATED TO BE SINGLE OR CAN THEY CHOOSE TO GET MARRIED IF THEY SO DESIRE?
LET ME REPHRASE THE QUESTION IN CASE YOU SAY YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, CAN A MARRIED MAN BECOME A PRIEST IN THE CATHOLIC FOLD?

WITH BIBLICAL REFERENCE SHOW ME WHERE IS STATES THAT A PRIEST MUST NOT BE MARRIED

[b]THE ORIGIN OF THE ROSARY IS ONLY KNOWN AND ACCEPTED TO CATHOLICS SAME WAY THE ORIGIN OF THE TASBIH KNOW AND ACCEPTED BY MUSLIMS.

IF ONLY THE DEAD CHRISTIANS ARE SAINTS THEN THIS MEANS THAT THE WORD OF GOD IS A LIE AS YOUR CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRYING TO IMPLY THAT GOD LIES AND THEY HOLD THE TRUTH BUT MY BIBLE STATES THAT LET ALL MEN BE LIARS AND LET GOD BE TRUE. PLEASE READ BELOW:


"To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours" 1 Corinthians 1:2

"Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus" Ephesians 1:1

"Paul and Timothy, bond-servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, including the overseers and deacons" Philippians 1:1


"to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 1:7[/b]

YOU SPEAK OF THE MASS. ALLOW ME TO ASK YOU, DO YOU DRINK OF THE BLOOD OF CHRIST AS A CATHOLIC OR DO YOU JUST EAT THE LEAVENED BREAD AS THE BODY OF CHRIST?

ARE MERE CATHOLICS ALLOWED TO DRINK THE BLOOD OR JUST THE PRIESTS DO?


[b]To the whole church in Corinth: "in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup." 1 Corinthians 11:28

"While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is My body." And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28

"For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me." In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup." 1 Corinthians 11:23-28[/b]

Kaycee7: I thought you said you were only going to pick one point. Confusion all the way.

naijadeyhia:


Then Please pick one out of my so called confusion and respond to it. Biblicaly please

ktjohnpaul:

It obvious that you need biblical lessons on the saving GRACE of God, and I will gladly oblige you that in the context of our discuss.

Angel Gabriel used a royal greeting for Mary, when he said "Hail". This term "Hail", as in "Hail Caesar" or "Hail, King of the Jews", wasn't used for peasants. It is a term used for royalty, as in the Queen of the King of Kings, or the Queen Mother of Heaven. Notice too, that Angel Gabriel did not address her by her name of Mary, but rather by her new title - "Full of Grace". To be "full of grace" means that there can be NO room for sin anywhere in your body or soul. And we know from Romans 6:14 that the more grace one has, the less sin one has:

Romans 6:14: For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Ephesians 4:7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift. The word measure speaks to the amount of grace we may receive. Mary's was FULL, giving no room for sin.

Syncan:

Because it wasn't meant for me. Take it out with Jesus.

St.Ola:


I don't recall any Catholic saying only Mary has the power to intercede. All saints intercede for our sake.

Then someone saying his interceding pastor is alive and Mary is dead? Comparing a pastor alive to sin in the world to saints in heaven

bukatyne:

Oh, really? While you asking Him, find out His stand on Mary worship/intercession

St.Ola:


How do the words of a man Paul qualifying fellow men as saints in a letter translate to the words of God?
I suppose the many words of Paul in his many letters, even those that specify the role of women in the church are also words of God? Paul could lie as he was only man and not God, and when did Paul become a prophet relaying only the knowledge revealed by God?

I maintain that the saints are in heaven, having achieved eternal life. Not because a church leader addresses one as such in a letter. Even the Catholic or Anglican or Eastern Orthodox conferment of Sainthood is only a mere worldly assertion that in all certainty, the personality lived a life worth emulating, and died in a state of grace to attain eternal life. No more!

Celibacy was a choice till it became fully mandatory after the counter reformation I suppose. Even some past Popes were not celibates. Celibacy only takes effect when the oath is made and so does not hinder a widower from taking up priestly ordination. The church will not encourage a married man to abandon his marriage for holy orders.

Jesus said, "if any man will come after me, let him deny himself, carry his cross and follow me. It was reported that the rich man who wanted to be counted as righteous went away sad when Christ revealed the need of him to give away his earthly possessions and come follow him. Peter speaking for the disciples said, "what about us, we have forsaken all and have followed thee". I believe you know what Christ's assuring reply to Peter was. If you say Peter was recorded as married, I agree. Was he recorded as actively married while he followed Jesus or while he did work of the gospel? Peter's mother-in-law was healed by Christ, and we also learn from the Acts that his wife devoted herself to Christian work, both reveal that Peter was a married man before he encountered the Lord and gospel work.

So the call has been made by Christ, a call the disciples heed, likewise Paul for the gospel sake. So what is the problem with celibacy for the gospel sake? Is marriage a criteria for salvation? Is the denial of the world and the gift of self to total commitment to the gospel not approved by Christ?

That you are not selfless enough to make such commitment shouldn't engender a disdain for those who are.

The effects of such celibacy is found in the selfless missionary work of the likes of St.Patrick of the British isle, St.Francis Xavier of the Asian far East, and the numerous who freely left their erstwhile homes to journey at great peril and discomfort to preach the gospel. I wouldn't dare forget the great St.Paul.

I have mostly had communion without wine, but sometimes with wine.

Syncan:

If you've got nothing intelligent to say, it is a virtue to keep quiet and "ponder it all in" your heart. Mary the mother of, Jesus who is God, did that, it was examplary.

OliverPin: Yes i was born a catholic and there are many things we do that i dont like. and there are many things we do that i strongly believe in(which i will not mention). I am only dedicated to catholic church because am still fed by my father which leaves me no choice than to go to church. infact in school i dont even go to church but i believe strongly in God, Jesus and the holy spirit. every church has her own fault dont ague. am yet to decide which church i will attend(Very hard to pick ATM).... but which ever way i will not condemn the belief of honoring mary even though i might leave the church. The bible did not condemn her but rather the bible praised her. The bible did not condemn her but rather called her blessed. Through her salvation came down. Then why will i call her an empty-vessle. Jehover witness even call her an envelope. all kinds of dirty trash has been said about her in this past few years. she has been a topic of insult. Be very carefull for many will seem right but in actual they are false. Think like a christian and not a hater.

heisenberg33:

The bible is only a guide and i repeat does not contain all the truths you should know.

It is this same sheepish followership most of you protestants display in the way and manner you swallow hook,line and sinker everything your spurious and jet-loving General over seers say because you guys believe he has an exclusive right to God alone.

bukatyne:

I should actually tell you that.

Imagine yourself, Mary the mother of God! So your God has a mother? And He created man (male and female) in His image? Bia, where was Mary during the creation? Breatfeeding Jesus abi?

You guys are impossible.

naijadeyhia:


Did i say i was a hater? If salvation came to me through Mary then I wonder what Jesus Came to do. My friend, blasphemy is a sin against the Holy Spirit. Be careful!

m.k.o2005:

Let us continue to correct people with love !
I once told a Muslim colleague of mine that if Christ isn't the only way to God then He is none of the ways ! She asked me why i said that & i told her that Christ said so ! That He is the only way ! That if He is not it means HE was a liar then can't even be none of the ways ! Thank God for HE can not lie !
Who came from heaven to earth ?
Who went to the cross ?
Who was buried and resurrected ?
Who ascended into heaven ?
The grace was thought by God,fought by satan,bought by Jesus and the grace eventually wrought it !

God help us all

naijadeyhia: Catholics always say Mary Gave birth to Jesus who is God and so this makes her the mother of God. But thank God that even God is careful when he uses words because he is a wise God.

Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The word Shall talks about a future occurrence and not the present because Christ must first be born as the son of man and then become the son of God after His death, burial and resurrection . For the king James Bible readers who see the words shall and shalt on the same line do not be confused. Shalt is a more affirmative and immediate situation or demand unlike shall which is a future tense.

Revelation is good my catholic brethren and it can only come via the holy spirit who is to lead us into all truth and teach us all things and also show us things to come and also glorify God and not man or dead saints or Mary or the Pope.

For more clarity kindly read exodus 20 and note the order God gave the ten commandments and how God carefully chose His words

bukatyne:

I should actually tell you that.

Imagine yourself, Mary the mother of God! So your God has a mother? And He created man (male and female) in His image? Bia, where was Mary during the creation? Breatfeeding Jesus abi?

You guys are impossible.