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TravelRe: Immigration Delaying My Passport In Lagos. Help Please, Is Nigeria This Bad? by 12Monkeys: 9:42pm On Aug 15, 2016
AccidentalGenius:
nice to see a fellow nigerian actually follows this addictive series #12Monkeys see you in 2017
Not the series but the movie starring Bruce Willlis and Brad Pitts is what inspired my handle.
PoliticsRe: Religion Or Tribalism:which Is A Greater Problem To Nigeria by 12Monkeys: 9:35pm On Aug 15, 2016
wizzyrich:
So are you trying to say Nigeria is only made up of North alone ? Cus the last time I checked, we were talking of Nigeria as an entity and not particularly the Northern part of Nigeria alone
For all the hate talk here between Igbos and Yorubas, you can bet you will never hear or see it degenerating to street riots between the two groups.


Rather you will see that it is the northern Muslims that are fighting both the Yorubas and igbos on their own soil.


The mile 12 and Nimbo incidences are all there to be referenced.
PoliticsRe: Religion Or Tribalism:which Is A Greater Problem To Nigeria by 12Monkeys: 9:32pm On Aug 15, 2016
wizzyrich:
are u really sure u read all the things I listed up there or u are just quoting me for quoting sake ? Didn't u see the part I wrote "illiteracy" ?

Beside we are talking abt Nigeria in general and not the north alone. Or are u trying to say poverty is not a problem in Nigeria ?
To further buttress my point that poverty is not the driving force behind social strifes and skirmishes, I will let you know that in the north, Islamic extremism and radicalization increases as you go up the social ladder.

Your average northerner can't read the Koran but depends on educated Islamic mullahs to interprete the pages and doctrines of the Koran.


Abdull Mutallab was by no means poor or from a poor background.

He immersed himself into studying the Koran and became radicalized from what he read therein. Mutallab had the luxury of time and resources to dedicate himself to his Islamic studies, something your average poor northern doesn't have the capabilities, time and resources to do since he lives from hand to mouth doing menial jobs.


I will tell you that your average poor northerner is not the problem but the radicalized ,educated and affluent elite who spread this poison of religion to them.
PoliticsRe: Religion Or Tribalism:which Is A Greater Problem To Nigeria by 12Monkeys: 9:24pm On Aug 15, 2016
wizzyrich:
are u really sure u read all the things I listed up there or u are just quoting me for quoting sake ? Didn't u see the part I wrote "illiteracy" ?

Beside we are talking abt Nigeria in general and not the north alone. Or are u trying to say poverty is not a problem in Nigeria ?
The north has accounted for well over 90% of civil disturbances, riots and skirmishes since almagation.

The reason behind this is religious intolerance and not illiteracy or poverty.


Are there not poor uneducated populations in the south prior to independence? So why has civil disturbances, skirmishes and sectarian riots been limited to the north only?
PoliticsRe: Hamman Yaji : The First Real Boko Jihadist Criminal by 12Monkeys: 9:15pm On Aug 15, 2016
GworoChewinMaga:
Hamman Yaji, a Fulbe{fulani} , was the last slave raider of the Northern Mandaras {northeast Nigeria, parts of cameroun and present day Chad }. He was arrested by the British in 1927 and montagnards from Sukur to Dughwede give explicite accounts on his relentless raiding. His diary was published in 1995 (Vaughan et al). It is historically unclear whether it was the suspicion of Mahdism or the complains from montagnards which led to his arrest (Muller-Kosack 1999).

The diary of Hamman Yaji is unique: a precious historical source, a fascinating social document. From September 1912 until the day before his arrest in August 19, an insider voice tells us of life in the early colonial period, on the furthest margin of European authority.

Madagali, in present-day northeastern Nigeria, was a tiny principality within the Adamawa emirate, itself a province of the Sokoto caliphate: all three were conquest states, ruled by Muslim Fulani. Hamman Yaji became ruler of Madagali in 1902, appointed by the Germans the day after they had killed the previous ruler, his father. He survived the change to French rule in 1916, to British in 1922. The British deposed him in August 19, allegedly for past slaving, but probably more for his Mahdist sympathies. From September 1912 until the day before his arrest, Hamman Yaji chronicled his activities, sometimes almost daily. Entries are generally sparse, but, read carefully, and with the helpful editorial material in this book, the ensemble is remarkable. The book is dedicated to all people of the Madagali district, with the hope that their future will be one of harmony and mutual cooperation.

A worthy hope, but sitting a little uneasily here, since Hamman Yaji was a dedicated slave raider.

The recurrent litany makes chilling reading:

May 12, 1913: "...I sent my soldiers to Sukur and they destroyed thehouse of the Arnado [village head] and took a horse and seven slave girls and burnt their houses."

May 21: "I captured 20 slave girls."

June 11th: "I captured six slave girls and ten cattle, and killed three men."

June 25: "I captured 48 slave girls and 26 cattle and I killed five persons."

July 6: "I captured 30 cattle and six slave girls."


All this (and more) on a single page. Exactly what such raids involved the diary itself does not say: traditions gathered later amongst the victimized populations are ghoulish indeed, comparable with another unique document, the eye-witness account of Bagirmi slaving a little further east and 40 years earlier, recorded by the German traveler Gustav Nachtigal in the third volume of his Sahara and Sudan.

Hamman Yaji's editors suggest, a little speculatively, that a word from a British officer in March 1924 sufficed to stop the raiding. The raiding did stop, and even the most tender liberal conscience, reflecting on colonialism, may take some comfort that a line was drawn under such entries as: "I sent Fadhl al Nar with his men to raid Sukur and they captured 80 slaves, of whom I gave away 40. We killed men and women and 17 children."

The troops were evidently out of control here: women and children were too valuable to be killed. The exploitation, often sexual, of women is clear: female slaves circulated as gifts, or in exchange (three for a horse, for instance). Hamman Yaji swapped female slaves with one of his men, even with his son, who objected that "he did not want a girl, he wanted a boy slave".

Even in such circumstances, a defiant female voice is audible: "I found that my slave girl in the absence of her fellow-slaves had said that she would not prepare my food for me. Why she would not cook my food I do not know, but anyway the result was that I got no food from her and was obliged to buy it."


Or again: "I my wife Umm Asta Belel said that in respect of her being a Muslim she was tired of it, and in respect of her being a pagan it would be better for her." Some passages are enigmatic, such as: "I fixed the penalty for every slave who leaves me without cause at four slave girls and if he is a poor man 200 lashes."

Is the implication here that slaves with cause could leave? How many slaves were rich enough to be able to pay a fine of four slave girls? What where the chances of surviving 200 lashes? Slavery is by far the most prominent single theme, but there are many others, such as local politics and power structures, the local practice of Islam, and the advance of colonialism. The diary ends on a homely note: "On the same day Sarkin Lifida ruined the onions."

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/books/deep-insight-on-an-african-despot/162186.article
PoliticsRe: Religion Or Tribalism:which Is A Greater Problem To Nigeria by 12Monkeys: 9:15pm On Aug 15, 2016
Hamman Yaji: The Shekau of days past.


Hamman Yaji, a Fulbe{fulani} , was the last slave raider of the Northern Mandaras {northeast Nigeria, parts of cameroun and present day Chad }. He was arrested by the British in 1927 and montagnards from Sukur to Dughwede give explicite accounts on his relentless raiding. His diary was published in 1995 (Vaughan et al). It is historically unclear whether it was the suspicion of Mahdism or the complains from montagnards which led to his arrest (Muller-Kosack 1999).

The diary of Hamman Yaji is unique: a precious historical source, a fascinating social document. From September 1912 until the day before his arrest in August 19, an insider voice tells us of life in the early colonial period, on the furthest margin of European authority.

Madagali, in present-day northeastern Nigeria, was a tiny principality within the Adamawa emirate, itself a province of the Sokoto caliphate: all three were conquest states, ruled by Muslim Fulani. Hamman Yaji became ruler of Madagali in 1902, appointed by the Germans the day after they had killed the previous ruler, his father. He survived the change to French rule in 1916, to British in 1922. The British deposed him in August 19, allegedly for past slaving, but probably more for his Mahdist sympathies. From September 1912 until the day before his arrest, Hamman Yaji chronicled his activities, sometimes almost daily. Entries are generally sparse, but, read carefully, and with the helpful editorial material in this book, the ensemble is remarkable. The book is dedicated to all people of the Madagali district, with the hope that their future will be one of harmony and mutual cooperation.

A worthy hope, but sitting a little uneasily here, since Hamman Yaji was a dedicated slave raider.

The recurrent litany makes chilling reading:

May 12, 1913: "...I sent my soldiers to Sukur and they destroyed thehouse of the Arnado [village head] and took a horse and seven slave girls and burnt their houses."

May 21: "I captured 20 slave girls."

June 11th: "I captured six slave girls and ten cattle, and killed three men."

June 25: "I captured 48 slave girls and 26 cattle and I killed five persons."

July 6: "I captured 30 cattle and six slave girls."


All this (and more) on a single page. Exactly what such raids involved the diary itself does not say: traditions gathered later amongst the victimized populations are ghoulish indeed, comparable with another unique document, the eye-witness account of Bagirmi slaving a little further east and 40 years earlier, recorded by the German traveler Gustav Nachtigal in the third volume of his Sahara and Sudan.

Hamman Yaji's editors suggest, a little speculatively, that a word from a British officer in March 1924 sufficed to stop the raiding. The raiding did stop, and even the most tender liberal conscience, reflecting on colonialism, may take some comfort that a line was drawn under such entries as: "I sent Fadhl al Nar with his men to raid Sukur and they captured 80 slaves, of whom I gave away 40. We killed men and women and 17 children."

The troops were evidently out of control here: women and children were too valuable to be killed. The exploitation, often sexual, of women is clear: female slaves circulated as gifts, or in exchange (three for a horse, for instance). Hamman Yaji swapped female slaves with one of his men, even with his son, who objected that "he did not want a girl, he wanted a boy slave".

Even in such circumstances, a defiant female voice is audible: "I found that my slave girl in the absence of her fellow-slaves had said that she would not prepare my food for me. Why she would not cook my food I do not know, but anyway the result was that I got no food from her and was obliged to buy it."


Or again: "I my wife Umm Asta Belel said that in respect of her being a Muslim she was tired of it, and in respect of her being a pagan it would be better for her." Some passages are enigmatic, such as: "I fixed the penalty for every slave who leaves me without cause at four slave girls and if he is a poor man 200 lashes."

Is the implication here that slaves with cause could leave? How many slaves were rich enough to be able to pay a fine of four slave girls? What where the chances of surviving 200 lashes? Slavery is by far the most prominent single theme, but there are many others, such as local politics and power structures, the local practice of Islam, and the advance of colonialism. The diary ends on a homely note: "On the same day Sarkin Lifida ruined the onions."

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/books/deep-insight-on-an-african-despot/162186.article
PoliticsRe: Religion Or Tribalism:which Is A Greater Problem To Nigeria by 12Monkeys: 9:12pm On Aug 15, 2016
There is a historical perspective to this madness in the northeast with Boko Haram as can be seen with the constant slave raiding by Muslims on animist people in the NE.

The disdain for ISLAM was so ingrained in the minority tribes people in the NE that they resisted converting to Islam even at the threat of death since the Fulani raiders did not make any significant distinguishing case when raiding non hausa/fulani and kanuri settlers irrespective if they where converts to islam. This ought to explain the ethno-religious supremacy held by Kanuri/Hausa/Fulanis over minority northerners and why modern day jihadist criminals like boko haram are exclusively composed by these same ethnic groups. The indigenous people of the NE hated Islam so much no thanks to years of slave raiding by Islamists like Hamman Yaji that they converted to Christianity almost immediately when the first European missionaries arrived.

What we see in the NE with Boko Haram is nothing new but a sustained and systematic slow genocide carried out on minority ethnic groups in the north and middle belt by HAUSA/FULANI extremists jihadist criminals.
PoliticsRe: Religion Or Tribalism:which Is A Greater Problem To Nigeria by 12Monkeys: 9:10pm On Aug 15, 2016
wizzyrich:
The problems of Nigeria ranges from
1. Curruption
2. poverty
3. Ethnic rivalries
4. Mono-economic system
5. High rate of illitracy which leads to ignorance
6. high practice of capitalist system(only few individuals owns the means of production)
7.Unemployment

Trabalism nor religion is not the problem of Nigeria, if these things I mentioned above are checked, there won't be any room for tribalism or religion
A European's account of Madagali during the years of Hamman Yaji

The … [northern districts of Madagali, Cubunawa. and Mubi ] taken over by this province … are the most lawless, ill-governed places I have seen in Nigeria … Slave dealing and slave raiding are rampant … chiefs of minor importance were given rifles with which they were encouraged to attack the wretched pagans [who are] hiding like frightened monkeys on inaccessible hilltops … of course, everyone goes about fully armed: spears, shields, bows and arrows, clubs, etc. (The British Resident, Yola province, in 1920, cited by Anthony Kirk-Greene 1958: 84)
PoliticsRe: Religion Or Tribalism:which Is A Greater Problem To Nigeria by 12Monkeys: 9:05pm On Aug 15, 2016
wizzyrich:
The problems of Nigeria ranges from
1. Curruption
2. poverty
3. Ethnic rivalries
4. Mono-economic system
5. High rate of illitracy which leads to ignorance
6. high practice of capitalist system(only few individuals owns the means of production)

Trabalism and religion are not the problems of this country, if these things I listed above are checked, there won't be any room for tribalism or religion
It is your type that will claim that poverty is the driving force behind boko haram where that is not the case.

The north has a wild crazy history of violence inspired by Islamic doctrine.

Google Hamman Yaji and see for yourself that boko haram no be today e start.
TravelRe: Immigration Delaying My Passport In Lagos. Help Please, Is Nigeria This Bad? by 12Monkeys: 9:00pm On Aug 15, 2016
I am still yet to collect my permanent driver's liscence.

I have been using the Temporary one since November, 2015.


Dem talk say nah Buhari STA nah im refuse to release funds for them.


That is the problem afflicting Nigeia today because even in govt offices they run low on common stationaries because Buhari no gree release money.
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Army Is Truly Filled And Ran By Idi0ts! by 12Monkeys(op): 8:34pm On Aug 15, 2016
freeze001:
Despite all the training abroad they still have zero sense as far as undercover intelligence operations are concerned. By declaring them wanted, they have successfully alerted BH so they'll never let themselves be caught by contacting the wanted persons.

It comes down to 2 things: It's either the Army and d security apparatus are really occupied and headed by absolutely dull nincompoops or the current govt is complicit in boko haram activities and had only done this to throw up some kind of smokescreen while their criminal BH goons regroup and relocate to other areas where they can cause more havoc.
I'm more inclined to believe the latter.
I believe the current top brass in the military and current APC Federal govt are wary of what these journalists know or have found out.


Maybe they were blackmailing the current military brass and senior govt officials in the Buhari govt.
PoliticsRe: Wikileaks Shows How US Govt Sabotaged Haiti Economic Growth by 12Monkeys: 8:28pm On Aug 15, 2016
double0seven:
good information on this thread

however it makes no sense to say APC was the inventions of thr west to do their bidding.

to any discerning mind not tainted with bias, it is obvious that Buhari is one leader that does not follow or does the bidding of the west. Have they not already expelled Nigeria from three of their finacial houses because the President refuses to devalue naira nor listen their economic advises which is to our own detriment and for their own good.

This is not the first time. It was also that exacy way whem Buhari came to power in the 80s.

The naira was so strong. He refused to devalue the naira nor take IMF loans.

You are researching how CIA planned the overthrow of country leaders that does not listen to them. HOW COME YOU COULD NOT KNOW THEN THAT BUHARI'S OVERTHROWN WAS INFLUENCED BY WESTERN POWERS!!!. Why is your mind so tainted with bias, neglecting the truth just because you want to condemn Buhari.

Immediately IBB came to power, what were the first things he did? He devalued naira, and accepted IMF loans with their terrible stringent conditions. And that was the beginning of the downward spiral of Nigeria. Till now, Nigeria has not recovered.

Is not obvious Buhari is one man that does not and will not do the bidding of the west. Meanwhile the government of GEJ has as finance Minister, Ngozi Iweala, a stooge of the Bretton institution; a woman whose first constituency is to champion the interests of the western powers whom she has served all her life.
How is the Chanji?


Has Buhari not done all the IMF demanded he do?

1. Devalued the naira

2. Pauperised the populace

3. Removed critical subsidies

4. Running a despotic govt

These are the kind of terrorists and tyrants the US is used to doing business with.

Btw, I am OP.
BusinessRe: Naira Weakens Against Dollar - Vanguard by 12Monkeys: 8:23pm On Aug 15, 2016
PPAngel:
Bola Tinubu, Obasanjo and Buhari have mortgaged us and our children to the devil. Obama is an evil man. History of America relations to black nations like Haiti should serve as a standing warning to all.

Watch how change will come to the land in form of groaning austerity, job cuts, US sanctioned corruption of the Buhari govt and massive debt.

We warned you but you were to daft to listen
PoliticsRe: Wikileaks Shows How US Govt Sabotaged Haiti Economic Growth by 12Monkeys: 8:20pm On Aug 15, 2016
This is what we are seeing in our country today with that fool and puppet Buhari presidency.


We warned you but una refused to hear,


See where blind hatred and jealousy of Jonathan has gotten you ingrates!
PoliticsRe: The West, Dollar, APC And Triangular Trade by 12Monkeys: 8:16pm On Aug 15, 2016
PPAngel:
The West, Dollar, APC and Triangular Trade
https://worldwideimperialism.weebly.com/uploads/8/9/7/7/8977060/923480852.png?546

This is the economic model and limitations the west wants from you.

Finished goods in place of more natural resources at the expense of your utilization of your own resources.

The dollar is what oils this trade.

Dump the dollar and look beyond the triangle then watch their economic grip collapse.

The APC was propped to steer us back to the west and away from the east!
BusinessRe: Naira Weakens Against Dollar - Vanguard by 12Monkeys: 8:12pm On Aug 15, 2016
Proudlyngwa:
Most of our purchases outside fuel is from China, why we are still buying the dollar is a mystery to me.
Is it now you are realizing this?


Buhari was propped up by Washington to ensure we stick to the dollar.


If he dares stray from the dollar then that is the end of his presidency, his life and the unity of Nigeria.

Ask Jonathan why the US stopped buying our crude after he declared diversifying our foreign reserves from the dollar in preference for BRIC currencies.

We warned una that this day will com but una no listen.
PoliticsRe: My Deadly "Change" Experience by 12Monkeys: 8:01pm On Aug 15, 2016
95% of the change chanting zombies here are exactly like the author - they are still being fed by mummy and daddy.
PoliticsRe: Osinbajo Meets Odunsi, His Economics Teacher In Secondary School (photo) by 12Monkeys: 7:58pm On Aug 15, 2016
locosis007:
If a prof can be a dullard academically. Then I bet you are the consultant of folly.

No bones bro
But a certificateless Buhari is better than a Phd holder?


Abi you don forget one of una several Chanji memes ?
PoliticsRe: Religion Or Tribalism:which Is A Greater Problem To Nigeria by 12Monkeys: 7:56pm On Aug 15, 2016
ckmayoca:
It doesn really have to be a bloody war but daily dealings and when assistance is needed.
Healthy competition amd not war of any kind.

And why would you be needing help?


Finally, you are confusing serial stereotyping culture to Tribalism.
PoliticsRe: Religion Or Tribalism:which Is A Greater Problem To Nigeria by 12Monkeys: 7:36pm On Aug 15, 2016
ckmayoca:
Tribalism ofcourse. We don't see religion conflicts down south here but tribalism dey well well.
Have you witnessed any tribal war in the south?
PoliticsRe: Rate Ifeanyi Uba's Mansion At Nnewi-Anambra State- Picture by 12Monkeys: 7:21pm On Aug 15, 2016
davss02:
All is vanity
Broke azz nigga detected
PoliticsRe: Religion Or Tribalism:which Is A Greater Problem To Nigeria by 12Monkeys: 7:13pm On Aug 15, 2016
Nothing wrong with Tribalism.

We are in a multicultural society and as such need to promote our different ethnicities and cultures.

If you think Tribalism is bad then look at the once diverse north which under relentless Islamic jihad has become one monogamous entity of lost Africans trying to out do themselves in adopting Arabic norms, traditions and religion.

In the case of religion, not all religions are bad.


It is that which arrogates to itself supremacy over the rest through the use of blatant crude force.

In conclusion, the lost Africans to the north with their borrowed Arabic ways and religion is the problem.
PoliticsNigerian Army Is Truly Filled And Ran By Idi0ts! by 12Monkeys(op): 7:02pm On Aug 15, 2016
Rather than decllare 2 journalists wanted after they released Boko Haram latest video why not put them on tight surveillance to ascertain how they communicate with boko haram.

Obviously there is no effective military blockade in the war torn NE and it is clear that boko haram members can freely walk in and out of their captured zones without being intercepted.

And since the journalists where not visiting Sambisa forest to collect the latest video tapes from Boko Haram that means the journalists are in contact with boko haram sleeper cells far from the conflict zone and base of boko haram.

By declaring them wanted, the army has lost a very rare chance at unravelling and apprehending boko haram agents in our midst since the boko guys won't be contacting any of the journalists declared wanted by the army any time soon.

What they (Nigerian Army) ought to have done was to increase their surveillance on the journalists. Have 30 of their best intelligence officers closely monitoring and following the journalists 24/7 as eventually they would have picked up on who the journalists "sources" and boko facilitators are. They ought to have extended their surveillance to monitoring and tapping phone conversations and email correspondences of the journalists.


Now that opportunity is gone forever and with it the chance of unravelling the extent, scope and number of boko haram sleeper cells among us.


Daft dunces.
PoliticsRe: Let See What Quality The Opposition Has by 12Monkeys: 4:21pm On Aug 10, 2016
jaybee3:
[s]You are seriously beyond retarded if you think his refusal to devalue the currency that they didn't have enough money to defend is the reason for you wallowing in abject poverty.

If you had any iota of sense, surely you should be asking why couldn't we defend the naira from cyclical expected shock as a direct result of crude oil volatility[/s]
Save your insuts for your mama t0t0

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