tonychristopher: Aboh is an igbo word and we have another aboh in IMO state

Oputa is an igbo word and we anambra bear it also plus IMO and kwale so are we not igbo

What are your market days
What do you call : God
What do you call land
What do you call food
What do you call today
What do you call man
What do you call chair
What do you call children

Let's argue maturedly BIko maka ndi ofe mmanu

Ifele na emezi m

Anyi Bu ofu

Odenigbo Aroli: Igala and Idoma boader Igbo to the north,they borrowed,cultures from the Igbo,intermarried with the Igbo,traded with the Igbo and lived amongst the Igbo but their language was never altered. The Igbo must posses some extraordinary supreme powers to have really transformed Aboh from Benin to Igbo over night eventhough there was no Igbo settlement there or they were chased out. Then again how can someone you defeated and chased out can turn around dominate and influence their culture on you to the point that there is close to zero traces of your original identity. They run around calling us Igbon(whatever that means) with no kingdom yet its our culture that dominated their and gave them identity.

clefstone: My inlaw, you r stil goin back to language, words nd meanings. That is not enough to call us a people of the same tribe. As much as we r all one, as human beings, we r not the same 'tribe'. Related tribe? Yes, same tribe? No. From d record of the famous expedition, its obvious, so obvious that the Abohs related with the Ijaws and even the Igalas more than d 'Igbos' in those times. Thr r people today in Aboh who know without doubt tht their origin is Igara. Today they hv been so assimilated into aboh tht they dnt even know anytin about Igala. Thr r Isokos wit same history in Aboh. Not to mention the Ndonis of River state, just across the niger from Aboh. I am telling u about people i knw, some related to me, some whose blood run in my vein. I am not tellin u based on assumption or a writer who wrote so much about a people he met in little more than 2days, i'm tellin u based on fact. Aboh is a heterogenous society and the only homogenous grp r those who descended from Esumai Ukwu, from whom the Obi is selected. Igbos r great people nd hv produced some of the soundest minds this country has seen, but Abohs r not rily Igbos. Our values r different. Abohs r related to the Igbos in some way as much as they r related to Isokos, Urhobos, Ijaws etc. But we r Abohs, thts our tribe

tonychristopher: The monkey said that she cannot vouch for the child she is carrying on her back why cos he might pluck fruit along the way but can only vouch for her UNborn baby

My wife calls her self igbo and oputa and nzeribe is a common igbo names that even anambra bear it

Do Me a favour google ukwuani or ask any tribe be it edo whom you want to attach which tribe is igbo

In my wife place they all marry igbos none I mean none married edo they say that they don't have any common grounds with them

Say I am not igbo not ukwuani are not igbo and tell Me the meaning of aboh and ukwuani

Do you know we have aboh in IMO

tonychristopher: The monkey said that she cannot vouch for the child she is carrying on her back why cos he might pluck fruit along the way but can only vouch for her UNborn baby

My wife calls her self igbo and oputa and nzeribe is a common igbo names that even anambra bear it

Do Me a favour google ukwuani or ask any tribe be it edo whom you want to attach which tribe is igbo

In my wife place they all marry igbos none I mean none married edo they say that they don't have any common grounds with them

Say I am not igbo not ukwuani are not igbo and tell Me the meaning of aboh and ukwuani

Do you know we have aboh in IMO

clefstone: To say in your wife's place they ALL marry Igbos and don't marry Edos is a fallacy except u can prove tht no Kwale person has ever married an Edo which i know is a big lie. Abohs r neither Igbos nor Edos. As at the time of the expedition, Aboh was a kingdom with Aboh as d headqtr nd the Obi as the sovereign. Your wife's kwale was part of the Aboh kingdom at tht time tht is why they neva had an independent ruler until maybe recently. Kwale til this day has no Obi. Today tins r not exactly d same, many of d clans tht made up d kingdom r now independent.

clefstone: My inlaw, you r stil goin back to language, words nd meanings. That is not enough to call us a people of the same tribe. As much as we r all one, as human beings, we r not the same 'tribe'. Related tribe? Yes, same tribe? No. From d record of the famous expedition, its obvious, so obvious that the Abohs related with the Ijaws and even the Igalas more than d 'Igbos' in those times. Thr r people today in Aboh who know without doubt tht their origin is Igara. Today they hv been so assimilated into aboh tht they dnt even know anytin about Igala. Thr r Isokos wit same history in Aboh. Not to mention the Ndonis of River state, just across the niger from Aboh. I am telling u about people i knw, some related to me, some whose blood run in my vein. I am not tellin u based on assumption or a writer who wrote so much about a people he met in little more than 2days, i'm tellin u based on fact. Aboh is a heterogenous society and the only homogenous grp r those who descended from Esumai Ukwu, from whom the Obi is selected. Igbos r great people nd hv produced some of the soundest minds this country has seen, but Abohs r not rily Igbos. Our values r different. Abohs r related to the Igbos in some way as much as they r related to Isokos, Urhobos, Ijaws etc. But we r Abohs, thts our tribe

tonychristopher:





Ogo m pls tell me apart from langauage and cultural practice ! Which igbos share what difference. And tell me one cos culturally my wife and me share same

Ok how did igbo so colonised aboh that they dumped their ancestral language and speak igbo! Atleast Brits colonised us and we still maintain our language same with Rome colonised Brits but they still maintain their language . Is aboh case different or is it a case of collective amnesia


Another thing go ask ijaw edo and IgAlla which tribe is aboh and ukwuani then tell me the name and meaning of the town


I need convinction not speculation


I love my wife and maturity .... Its an urhobo woman that told me they are igbo first time I met her before we started speaking our igbo

Nna don't be a minority biko

clefstone: To explain hw the Abohs lost our language nd adopted Igbo, i'l use the example of the sokoto jihad of the 19th century(less than 200yrs ago). A result of the Fulani's successful conquer of many local northern tribes was the establishment of Emirates in most of the northern part of present day Nigeria. In each of these Emirates, Fulanis were installed as Emirs and many Fulanis settled in them. Til this day, only descendants of the Fulani ruling houses r eligible to become Emirs in these places. Guess what? These people today can't speak the Fulani language even though they know they r Fulanis, they mostly speak Hausa, d commercial language of d north, and the languages of those tribes. This is exactly wht happened to the Abohs.

bigfrancis21:

The Igbo peoples have never been known to be colonialists. What you just wrote up there is absurd. The Igbo peoples today were not called Igbos 100 years ago, how much more 200 or 300 years ago when your supposed 'Igbo colonialism' took place. Each sub group identified by their clan name. Why then are you pointing accusatory fingers at the 'Igbos' as if there was a tribe called Igbo 300 years ago? Why don't you ever drop any sources or links that verifies your made-up tales? I remember asking you for one before, you smartly dodged my post and went on making up false history for yourself. Were you there when your so-called Igbo colonialism took place? How did you know it happened?

I've been silently reading your posts and I've noticed that you keep making up fables just to suit your beliefs. A thousand and one sources can be posted here that indicates the Igbo ancestry of the Abohs, yet you choose to ignore them and rather cling on to some fabricated history you've made for yourself. So many things point to a pure Igbo ancestry of the Aboh. Aboh is found in Delta state and also far away in Aboh-Mbaise in Imo state. Again, you smartly turned a blind eye to this fact and chose to ignore it. Assuming Aboh was a name of a town in Igala land or Edo land, you'll be all over nairaland shouting and yelling how Aboh is of Igala ancestry or Edo ancestry. Why can't you just drop 3 sources that supports your tales? Even the grandfathers and grandmothers of Aboh who hold the oral history of Aboh wouldn't say all these tales you keep making here, but here you are reveling in the fun of it.

Its clear you simply created this thread not to learn but to engage in needless argument.

clefstone: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboh
i neva thot i wud need a link to talk about my own ancestry. By d way, is thr any link between Aboh-Mbaise nd Aboh?

clefstone: To explain hw the Abohs lost our language nd adopted Igbo, i'l use the example of the sokoto jihad of the 19th century(less than 200yrs ago). A result of the Fulani's successful conquer of many local northern tribes was the establishment of Emirates in most of the northern part of present day Nigeria. In each of these Emirates, Fulanis were installed as Emirs and many Fulanis settled in them. Til this day, only descendants of the Fulani ruling houses r eligible to become Emirs in these places. Guess what? These people today can't speak the Fulani language even though they know they r Fulanis, they mostly speak Hausa, d commercial language of d north, and the languages of those tribes. This is exactly wht happened to the Abohs.

bigfrancis21:

That isn't the link I requested. What I requested was the link to a verifiable source supporting your claim of an Igbo-led colonialism on Aboh land.

Yes. The link between both places is the town name usage of an oldtime Igbo name of yore, 'Aboh'. I just remembered now that a village close to my mom's village in Oji River Enugu state also bears 'Aboh'. All these goes a long way to indicate that Aboh is an authentic Igbo town.

I've also noticed another trend among these Edo-clinging groups in tracing their lineage using Edo kings. It is quite clear that the Benin empire had a large territory, expanding all the way to Lagos and western Igboland(Anioma). Several edoid groups were also under this Benin influence such as the Afemai, Esan, Urhobo, Isoko etc. The Benin empire wielded a great influence but didn't find it imperative to spread their language or impose their language on their acquired territories like the British. It seems that Edo language remained as a royal language and was learned as a second language by subdued groups when they visited Benin to communicate with the Obas on Benin and his subjects. During the reign, the Benin empire sent out their representatives to their acquired territories to reign as kings over them, thus maintaining its influence. These benin-blooded kings brought with them the Edo-style of Kingship to the anioma areas they reigned over and they settled in their new foreign territories, only reporting to the King of Benin when necessary. And after each king reigned successfully, his own son took over. With time these kings had descendants who assimilated into the language and culture of the greater populace they found themselves in, while still retaining their Bini surnames(family name) and maybe first name.

This, however, doesn't in no way conjure up to mean that these kings founded these anioma areas. These kings met an already existing Igbo sub group over which they wielded their influence using the Edo kingship style, given the lack of an existing Kingship structure among many Igbo sub groups.

The British people were great colonialists. They expanded their territories by acquiring more territories and sending out their people to lord over the natives. Nigeria was colonized by Britain. And we had series of British 'Kings' who ruled over Nigeria for so many years in quick succession. That doesn't mean they found Nigeria empty. And that doesn't equally mean that we should turn around and claim british ancestry through the British Kings that ruled over us for decades before independence. It would be very laughable for Nigerians to turn
around tomorrow and start claiming British ancestry just because we had British Kings therefore, we are British people. It would also be very absurd
to speculate that an Edo group of people arrived an Igbo-speaking area, drove away the Igbo people and settled there, but yet lost their language to Igbo - the language of the people they chased away! Such logic is flawed. No matter how you try to defend that logic or come up with some imaginary explanation for that, the logic is heavily flawed because history repeats itself. And never in the annals of history has it been recorded that an invading colonial group invaded a land, chased away its natives, settled there and yet lost their own original language and started speaking the language of the natives of which they pursued away and had no contact with again after their exile. Its either there was no such type of invasion actually or that these foreign people who were few in numbers to actually subdue a greater population journeyed into a new language territory, were taken in, and with time assimilated WILLINGLY into the greater population.In history, all invading groups all maintained their language. The English people invaded America, chased away the native indians, settled there and maintained their English language. The Spanish people who led great and far-reaching conquests invaded new areas(Mexico, Uruguay, Paraguay etc) chased away many of the natives, or intermarried with them and maintained Spanish. The same goes for French, Portuguese, and German. The descendants of the Dutch people who invaded South Africa still today speak a Dutch creole, which is reminiscent of their Dutch ancestry. Why can't the same be said for any of these so-called Edo-clinging groups in Delta state? If these people claim to be from Edo, the Edo language should still be spoken somehow, even if its a corruption of Edo, in Anioma. Yet that is non-existent.

Edo kings may have ruled in some anioma areas, that doesn't negate the fact that these people were and still are an original igbo stock who happened to have a foreign king from the Benin empire.

bigfrancis21:

That isn't the link I requested. What I requested was the link to a verifiable source supporting your claim of an Igbo-led colonialism on Aboh land.

Yes. The link between both places is the town name usage of an oldtime Igbo name of yore, 'Aboh'. I just remembered now that a village close to my mom's village in Oji River Enugu state also bears 'Aboh'. All these goes a long way to indicate that Aboh is an authentic Igbo town.

I've also noticed another trend among these Edo-clinging groups in tracing their lineage using Edo kings. It is quite clear that the Benin empire had a large territory, expanding all the way to Lagos and western Igboland(Anioma). Several edoid groups were also under this Benin influence such as the Afemai, Esan, Urhobo, Isoko etc. The Benin empire wielded a great influence but didn't find it imperative to spread their language or impose their language on their acquired territories like the British. It seems that Edo language remained as a royal language and was learned as a second language by subdued groups when they visited Benin to communicate with the Obas on Benin and his subjects. During the reign, the Benin empire sent out their representatives to their acquired territories to reign as kings over them, thus maintaining its influence. These benin-blooded kings brought with them the Edo-style of Kingship to the anioma areas they reigned over and they settled in their new foreign territories, only reporting to the King of Benin when necessary. And after each king reigned successfully, his own son took over. With time these kings had descendants who assimilated into the language and culture of the greater populace they found themselves in, while still retaining their Bini surnames(family name) and maybe first name.

This, however, doesn't in no way conjure up to mean that these kings founded these anioma areas. These kings met an already existing Igbo sub group over which they wielded their influence using the Edo kingship style, given the lack of an existing Kingship structure among many Igbo sub groups.

The British people were great colonialists. They expanded their territories by acquiring more territories and sending out their people to lord over the natives. Nigeria was colonized by Britain. And we had series of British 'Kings' who ruled over Nigeria for so many years in quick succession. That doesn't mean they found Nigeria empty. And that doesn't equally mean that we should turn around and claim british ancestry through the British Kings that ruled over us for decades before independence. It would be very laughable for Nigerians to turn
around tomorrow and start claiming British ancestry just because we had British Kings therefore, we are British people. It would also be very absurd
to speculate that an Edo group of people arrived an Igbo-speaking area, drove away the Igbo people and settled there, but yet lost their language to Igbo - the language of the people they chased away! Such logic is flawed. No matter how you try to defend that logic or come up with some imaginary explanation for that, the logic is heavily flawed because history repeats itself. And never in the annals of history has it been recorded that an invading colonial group invaded a land, chased away its natives, settled there and yet lost their own original language and started speaking the language of the natives of which they pursued away and had no contact with again after their exile. Its either there was no such type of invasion actually or that these foreign people who were few in numbers to actually subdue a greater population journeyed into a new language territory, were taken in, and with time assimilated WILLINGLY into the greater population.In history, all invading groups all maintained their language. The English people invaded America, chased away the native indians, settled there and maintained their English language. The Spanish people who led great and far-reaching conquests invaded new areas(Mexico, Uruguay, Paraguay etc) chased away many of the natives, or intermarried with them and maintained Spanish. The same goes for French, Portuguese, and German. The descendants of the Dutch people who invaded South Africa still today speak a Dutch creole, which is reminiscent of their Dutch ancestry. Why can't the same be said for any of these so-called Edo-clinging groups in Delta state? If these people claim to be from Edo, the Edo language should still be spoken somehow, even if its a corruption of Edo, in Anioma. Yet that is non-existent.

Edo kings may have ruled in some anioma areas, that doesn't negate the fact that these people were and still are an original igbo stock who happened to have a foreign king from the Benin empire.

clefstone: i neva claimed of an igbo led colonizatn of Aboh. I actually talked about an Esumai(a Bini man) led colonisation of wht is the area now called Aboh which u can see in my link above. This is the known and acceptable history of Aboh. Any other idea, no matter hw intelligent it might seem can only be passed as speculative.

clefstone: i neva claimed of an igbo led colonizatn of Aboh. I actually talked about an Esumai(a Bini man) led colonisation of wht is the area now called Aboh which u can see in my link above. This is the known and acceptable history of Aboh. Any other idea, no matter hw intelligent it might seem can only be passed as speculative.

clefstone: To explain hw the Abohs lost our language nd adopted Igbo, i'l use the example of the sokoto jihad of the 19th century(less than 200yrs ago). A result of the Fulani's successful conquer of many local northern tribes was the establishment of Emirates in most of the northern part of present day Nigeria. In each of these Emirates, Fulanis were installed as Emirs and many Fulanis settled in them. Til this day, only descendants of the Fulani ruling houses r eligible to become Emirs in these places. Guess what? These people today can't speak the Fulani language even though they know they r Fulanis, they mostly speak Hausa, d commercial language of d north, and the languages of those tribes. This is exactly wht happened to the Abohs.

clefstone: i neva claimed of an igbo led colonizatn of Aboh. I actually talked about an Esumai(a Bini man) led colonisation of wht is the area now called Aboh which u can see in my link above. This is the known and acceptable history of Aboh. Any other idea, no matter hw intelligent it might seem can only be passed as speculative.

Abagworo: What I mean is that you can only be Igbo when you
accept being one. Abohs, Ikas etc. might not accept being Igbo but the language betrays them and is
a deep cause for concern and makes their claim of being
minority suspicious to the real minorities. This leaves
them in a complex situation and could make them deny links to Southeasterners in order to prove to the other
minorities that they are not part of these (Igbo)people.
It's like in the USA where there are fewer Eastern
Europeans who usually try to claim minority even when
Blacks and Hispanics clearly see that they are White.
They will need extra efforts and even aggression to
prove to Blacks and Hispanics that they are not
Westerners but just happened to be White.


Now @poster read this and understand how the real minorities feel about you and your likes trying to cling on to them.

http://www.waado.org/nigerdelta/essays/politics/
SagayOnDeltaCapital.html

August 1991 when Babangida used the Delta State
Capital to pay his bride price to his Anioma in-laws.
When I was invited to Asaba in May 1999 to give the
hand over lecture from Military dictatorship to Civilian
democratic government, and was asked by the out-going
Military Administrator, Commander Feghabo, what I
thought of the fact that only the southern Delta,
particularly the Urhobos have so far produced civilian
Governors for Delta State, my reply was simple. 'Delta
State' is constituted by two States, Delta proper and
Anioma. As long as the Delta Capital remains in
Anioma,the Governors will come from the real Delta.
Inspite of castigations in the press, by the Asagba of
Asaba, and some other Anioma elites, I have remained
firm in my views. The best solution is for the two entities
to separate into two states with the Delta State Capital
being at Warri. Anioma can then be a state with its
capital at Asaba. Alternatively, Anioma can join Anambra
State and become a member of the South Eastern group
of states to which it truly belongs.


This ends my contribution to this thread. There's nothing a dog can do for cats to believe he's not a dog including eating his fellow dog.

Abagworo: What I mean is that you can only be Igbo when you
accept being one. Abohs, Ikas etc. might not accept being Igbo but the language betrays them and is
a deep cause for concern and makes their claim of being
minority suspicious to the real minorities. This leaves
them in a complex situation and could make them deny links to Southeasterners in order to prove to the other
minorities that they are not part of these (Igbo)people.
It's like in the USA where there are fewer Eastern
Europeans who usually try to claim minority even when
Blacks and Hispanics clearly see that they are White.
They will need extra efforts and even aggression to
prove to Blacks and Hispanics that they are not
Westerners but just happened to be White.


Now @poster read this and understand how the real minorities feel about you and your likes trying to cling on to them.

http://www.waado.org/nigerdelta/essays/politics/
SagayOnDeltaCapital.html

August 1991 when Babangida used the Delta State
Capital to pay his bride price to his Anioma in-laws.
When I was invited to Asaba in May 1999 to give the
hand over lecture from Military dictatorship to Civilian
democratic government, and was asked by the out-going
Military Administrator, Commander Feghabo, what I
thought of the fact that only the southern Delta,
particularly the Urhobos have so far produced civilian
Governors for Delta State, my reply was simple. 'Delta
State' is constituted by two States, Delta proper and
Anioma. As long as the Delta Capital remains in
Anioma,the Governors will come from the real Delta.
Inspite of castigations in the press, by the Asagba of
Asaba, and some other Anioma elites, I have remained
firm in my views. The best solution is for the two entities
to separate into two states with the Delta State Capital
being at Warri. Anioma can then be a state with its
capital at Asaba. Alternatively, Anioma can join Anambra
State and become a member of the South Eastern group
of states to which it truly belongs.


This ends my contribution to this thread. There's nothing a dog can do for cats to believe he's not a dog including eating his fellow dog.

kwangi: Anytime I come to the culture section and see this thread, something always snaps in me.
When this Clefstone dude started this thread, I ignored it believing it will be ignored, but alas, it's still here!


God know say if to say I be mod for here, I go shut down this goddamned thread.
I don't know for you guys, but this is really embarrassing and shameful.

I think threads of this nature should be totally ignored in the future.

bigfrancis21:

Isn't the below what you claimed?





Now you're beginning to speak the truth. The same Esumai of a person was a Bini King sent out by the Oba of Benin to colonize Aboh, which he arrived and met an already Igbo-speaking people in numbers. A people of which he reigned over using the Edo kingship style, and after which he was succeeded by his son, grandson and so on.

bigfrancis21:

Isn't the below what you claimed?





Now you're beginning to speak the truth. The same Esumai of a person was a Bini King sent out by the Oba of Benin to colonize Aboh, which he arrived and met an already Igbo-speaking people in numbers. A people of which he reigned over using the Edo kingship style, and after which he was succeeded by his son, grandson and so on.

clefstone: i neva claimed of an igbo led colonizatn of Aboh. I actually talked about an Esumai(a Bini man) led colonisation of wht is the area now called Aboh which u can see in my link above. This is the known and acceptable history of Aboh. Any other idea, no matter hw intelligent it might seem can only be passed as speculative.

bigfrancis21:

That isn't the link I requested. What I requested was the link to a verifiable source supporting your claim of an Igbo-led colonialism on Aboh land.

Yes. The link between both places is the town name usage of an oldtime Igbo name of yore, 'Aboh'. I just remembered now that a village close to my mom's village in Oji River Enugu state also bears 'Aboh'. All these goes a long way to indicate that Aboh is an authentic Igbo town.

I've also noticed another trend among these Edo-clinging groups in tracing their lineage using Edo kings. It is quite clear that the Benin empire had a large territory, expanding all the way to Lagos and western Igboland(Anioma). Several edoid groups were also under this Benin influence such as the Afemai, Esan, Urhobo, Isoko etc. The Benin empire wielded a great influence but didn't find it imperative to spread their language or impose their language on their acquired territories like the British. It seems that Edo language remained as a royal language and was learned as a second language by subdued groups when they visited Benin to communicate with the Obas on Benin and his subjects. During the reign, the Benin empire sent out their representatives to their acquired territories to reign as kings over them, thus maintaining its influence. These benin-blooded kings brought with them the Edo-style of Kingship to the anioma areas they reigned over and they settled in their new foreign territories, only reporting to the King of Benin when necessary. And after each king reigned successfully, his own son took over. With time these kings had descendants who assimilated into the language and culture of the greater populace they found themselves in, while still retaining their Bini surnames(family name) and maybe first name.

This, however, doesn't in no way conjure up to mean that these kings founded these anioma areas. These kings met an already existing Igbo sub group over which they wielded their influence using the Edo kingship style, given the lack of an existing Kingship structure among many Igbo sub groups.

The British people were great colonialists. They expanded their territories by acquiring more territories and sending out their people to lord over the natives. Nigeria was colonized by Britain. And we had series of British 'Kings' who ruled over Nigeria for so many years in quick succession. That doesn't mean they found Nigeria empty. And that doesn't equally mean that we should turn around and claim british ancestry through the British Kings that ruled over us for decades before independence. It would be very laughable for Nigerians to turn
around tomorrow and start claiming British ancestry just because we had British Kings therefore, we are British people. It would also be very absurd
to speculate that an Edo group of people arrived an Igbo-speaking area, drove away the Igbo people and settled there, but yet lost their language to Igbo - the language of the people they chased away! Such logic is flawed. No matter how you try to defend that logic or come up with some imaginary explanation for that, the logic is heavily flawed because history repeats itself. And never in the annals of history has it been recorded that an invading colonial group invaded a land, chased away its natives, settled there and yet lost their own original language and started speaking the language of the natives of which they pursued away and had no contact with again after their exile. Its either there was no such type of invasion actually or that these foreign people who were few in numbers to actually subdue a greater population journeyed into a new language territory, were taken in, and with time assimilated WILLINGLY into the greater population.In history, all invading groups all maintained their language. The English people invaded America, chased away the native indians, settled there and maintained their English language. The Spanish people who led great and far-reaching conquests invaded new areas(Mexico, Uruguay, Paraguay etc) chased away many of the natives, or intermarried with them and maintained Spanish. The same goes for French, Portuguese, and German. The descendants of the Dutch people who invaded South Africa still today speak a Dutch creole, which is reminiscent of their Dutch ancestry. Why can't the same be said for any of these so-called Edo-clinging groups in Delta state? If these people claim to be from Edo, the Edo language should still be spoken somehow, even if its a corruption of Edo, in Anioma. Yet that is non-existent.

Edo kings may have ruled in some anioma areas, that doesn't negate the fact that these people were and still are an original igbo stock who happened to have a foreign king from the Benin empire.

bigfrancis21:

Isn't the below what you claimed?





Now you're beginning to speak the truth. The same Esumai of a person was a Bini King sent out by the Oba of Benin to colonize Aboh, which he arrived and met an already Igbo-speaking people in numbers. A people of which he reigned over using the Edo kingship style, and after which he was succeeded by his son, grandson and so on.

clefstone: I hv neva claimed to be Urhobo or bini. Even though my mum is urhobo, u'l neva hear it coming from me tht i'm Urhobo. My decendants were binis, I am Aboh by tribe and based on d process of ethnogenesis can be grouped as an Ukwuani. Thr is no complexity except in ur imaginatn. That we r in Delta state today is cos of 2 factors,
1. Boundary issue
2. Historically, we hv been more intimately linked with the people around the Niger Delta than those to the east of d Niger
NB. I'm speaking from an Aboh/ukwuani perspective, not from an Anioma's

clefstone: and just in case u do not know, Fulanis dialect is totally different from Hausa

pazienza:



Well, don't speak for Aboh, speak for yourself and your Urhobo family, at least now we are getting the truth small small from you. You claimed you are a descendant of Esumai? i laugh in urhobo.

In nairaland here, we have a proud Aboh and igbi guy,by the name Wesley80, go search for his posts here. And please, don't even speak for Ukwuanu, you can't be more ukwuani than Ali chukwuma, arguably the most popular ukwuani man, and yet,he was a proud Igbo man.

Just speak for yourself and your urhobo family. thank you.

clefstone: I hv neva claimed to be Urhobo or bini. Even though my mum is urhobo, u'l neva hear it coming from me tht i'm Urhobo. My decendants were binis, I am Aboh by tribe and based on d process of ethnogenesis can be grouped as an Ukwuani. Thr is no complexity except in ur imaginatn. That we r in Delta state today is cos of 2 factors,
1. Boundary issue
2. Historically, we hv been more intimately linked with the people around the Niger Delta than those to the east of d Niger
NB. I'm speaking from an Aboh/ukwuani perspective, not from an Anioma's

clefstone: and just in case u do not know, Fulanis dialect is totally different from Hausa